recruiting Memphis

[husker71]

ESPN reports that Tubby maybe out and Penny in.  He will dominate Memphis area recruiting IMHO

[husker71]

Also Larry Brown will be assistant coach

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

If this happened I'm sure Penny would try to hire Todd Day as well. Anyone have an idea how much Philander pays?

[greasy_corner]

Also Larry Brown will be assistant coach

What?  Is he afraid to cheat on his own?   

[Kevin]

ad's just cannot help themselves. they just want to win the press conference. penny has never coached in college. I love how people immediately think he is going to be great. he is just a name. if he does bring larry brown in to help, let the cheating begin.

hey ad's how about hiring guys who have been successful at coaching college basketball.

[GoHogzzGo]

ESPN reports that Tubby maybe out and Penny in.  He will dominate Memphis area recruiting IMHO

Saw this and had the exact same first reaction.

Penny not having coaching experience should help us. May end up being a Chris Mullin type situation at St Johns. He didn't get the players and can't coach. However Memphis is a much smaller market of course.

Definitely a real posibility that Penny could keep some real talent there.

[HogFaninMemphis]

ad's just cannot help themselves. they just want to win the press conference. penny has never coached in college. I love how people immediately think he is going to be great. he is just a name. if he does bring larry brown in to help, let the cheating begin.

hey ad's how about hiring guys who have been successful at coaching college basketball.

Hiring Penny is similar to hiring Patrick Ewing: yeah he's a former player who's not coached college basketball, but he's been a very successful and well-respected coach over the past several years. Penny will get all the best players in Memphis to stay home and has a lot of connections in recruiting because of his success on the AAU circuit. He also doesn't need to coach to make money, as he's actually been responsible with his NBA money and still has a shoe contract, so I'm not going to assume he's been taking kickbacks in amateur basketball.
It'll be an interesting experiment, but I suspect it's going to work out and hurt the Hogs' chances of getting future recruits from Memphis. Hopefully Mike and Penny can work out playing yearly again. Penny played Arkansas 3 times in two years he was at Memphis State.

[ArkansasI]

I don't understand the concerns...  Arkansas hasn't effectively recruited Memphis in 20 years.

Things can't get worse.

[TuCanSam]

ad's just cannot help themselves. they just want to win the press conference. penny has never coached in college. I love how people immediately think he is going to be great. he is just a name. if he does bring larry brown in to help, let the cheating begin.

hey ad's how about hiring guys who have been successful at coaching college basketball.

He has coached one of the elite AAU teams for years. He is about to win state at East High in Memphis. He is coaching the top player in the 2019 class. He is way more than "just a name!" Puts Memphis basketball on the map again instantly! Arkansas will feel this.

[razorback1829]

He has coached one of the elite AAU teams for years. He is about to win state at East High in Memphis. He is coaching the top player in the 2019 class. He is way more than "just a name!" Puts Memphis basketball on the map again instantly! Arkansas will feel this.

Get wins quick schemes never work. I hope they do this.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Memphis hasn't produced recently like it used to

[TuCanSam]

My question is, will he have to forfeit the Nike contract. I know if Calapari or any other coach for that matter had a contract with Nike, it would be a big deal. I dont know the rules about preexisting contracts. $50 million contract is a lot to give up to be a college coach, if he does!?

[HogFaninMemphis]

My question is, will he have to forfeit the Nike contract. I know if Calapari or any other coach for that matter had a contract with Nike, it would be a big deal. I dont know the rules about preexisting contracts. $50 million contract is a lot to give up to be a college coach, if he does!?

I doubt he'd have to. Don't you remember the big shoe contract Pitino had? I think that was technically within the rules, just slimy.

[The_Iceman]

I don't understand the concerns...  Arkansas hasn't effectively recruited Memphis in 20 years.

Things can't get worse.

My thoughts exactly

[Rocket23]

Coach K has a contract with Adidas or used to.

[woodhog14]

He has coached one of the elite AAU teams for years. He is about to win state at East High in Memphis. He is coaching the top player in the 2019 class. He is way more than "just a name!" Puts Memphis basketball on the map again instantly! Arkansas will feel this.

Arkansas won't feel anything. Memphis has not been a pipeline for Arkansas in 25 years.

[FineAsSwine]

What?  Is he afraid to cheat on his own?   

No, he just needs a cheating consultant to guide him through the nuances.

[jgphillips3]

Arkansas won't feel anything. Memphis has not been a pipeline for Arkansas in 25 years.

Exactly.  Yes, there are some good players there and it would be nice to get one here and there but there are great players everywhere.  Not to mention, unlike the 80's/90's when we needed that pipeline, Arkansas produces a LOT of really good talent.  We just need to grab a great player here and there from wherever we can find them.  Memphis won't make or break us the way Texas recruiting can really make football.

[Athog]

He has coached one of the elite AAU teams for years. He is about to win state at East High in Memphis. He is coaching the top player in the 2019 class. He is way more than "just a name!" Puts Memphis basketball on the map again instantly! Arkansas will feel this.

How? What players recently have we got from Memphis?

[TuCanSam]

He will not just get Memphis players. He will recruit throughout the south and in Arkansas.

[redhogchilipepper]

I don't understand the concerns...  Arkansas hasn't effectively recruited Memphis in 20 years.

Things can't get worse.

You're correct sir, Scotty Edgar was a beast recruiter there

[HawgHeadCheese]

For people who think Penny Hardaway is just a coach they pulled out of the air haven't paid much attention to his coaching career. He is a great AAU and HS coach. He also will get any and every player he wants out of Memphis because of the respect and work he has done in the community. Penny Hardaway is bigger than Michael Jordan in  Memphis and thats not an exaggeration.

[Kevin]

For people who think Penny Hardaway is just a coach they pulled out of the air haven't paid much attention to his coaching career. He is a great AAU and HS coach. He also will get any and every player he wants out of Memphis because of the respect and work he has done in the community. Penny Hardaway is bigger than Michael Jordan in  Memphis and thats not an exaggeration.

did not know that aau & hs coaching was a great proving ground for running a major college program

[ShadowHawg]

You're correct sir, Scotty Edgar was a beast recruiter there

We did fine in Memphis after Edgar left.

[Big Boi]

Most of the memphis area recruits over the last 10yrs have not lived up to expectations.

[HawgHeadCheese]

did not know that aau & hs coaching was a great proving ground for running a major college program

Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Steve Fisher SDSU, Mark Few from Gonzaga, Cuonzo Martin Mizzou just to name and few and the list goes on. Do some research

[TrueBlue]

Another chance for Memphis to vacate some games in the next five years if this happens. With his AAU connection in Memphis, I predict things will not go well for Penny. At first they will win, but a few years down the road problems will exist.

[zebradynasty]

I agree that Penny will need to be very careful. His ties with AAU in Memphis is a blessing and a curse. Once/If he becomes coach the NCAA will be watching him like a hawk with his AAU connections. Not saying he's doing anything wrong just that it will be hard to keep AAU separate and at the same time use it to his benefit.

[outlawhogeywells]

I worry more about him recruiting in Arkansas than I do about cutting us out of players from Memphis.  Just think of the East Arkansas Towns that are very short drives to Memphis.  Jonesboro, West Memphis, Helena, etc.  Even Little Rock area is a short drive and Memphis as a city could be a draw for young men. 

[husker71]

Frank Martin was a notorious AAU coach and he has done fine.  Why haven't we been over in Memphis trying to recruit??  I think we tried but it hasn't worked out well lately but it only takes 1 to get it started again.  Of course I thought Clyde Drexler world be great at U of Houston and that didn't work out so well.  Again I think assistants are a  key. 

[Kevin]

Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Steve Fisher SDSU, Mark Few from Gonzaga, Cuonzo Martin Mizzou just to name and few and the list goes on. Do some research

they did not go from those jobs straight into running a division 1 program. do some research

[HawgHeadCheese]

they did not go from those jobs straight into running a division 1 program. do some research

They coached hs basketball and went on to be successful college coaches and the list is even longer (John Belign, Bo Ryan, and Frank Martin) and that's what this conversation was about. Again do some research.

[BoarnSupremacy]

I don't understand the concerns...  Arkansas hasn't effectively recruited Memphis in 20 years.

Things can't get worse.

THIS

[husker71]

Frank Martin was a very successful high school coach in Florida.  He had one team that went undefeated and he won 3 state championships in a row but then they found out he had 2 future NBA players, Steve Blake and Udonis Haslem who did not live in  the district until they got housing and other gifts from high school boosters.  That being said that was a lot of years ago and I don't think he has had any trouble since. USCE is lucky to have him.

[Inhogswetrust]

ESPN reports that Tubby maybe out and Penny in.  He will dominate Memphis area recruiting IMHO

This has been the main topic on a local Memphis sports radio for two days.

[Inhogswetrust]

Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Steve Fisher SDSU, Mark Few from Gonzaga, Cuonzo Martin Mizzou just to name and few and the list goes on. Do some research

How many of those jumped straight to a head coaching job at a well known program from an AAU or High School coaching job.........none.

[Inhogswetrust]

They coached hs basketball and went on to be successful college coaches and the list is even longer (John Belign, Bo Ryan, and Frank Martin) and that's what this conversation was about. Again do some research.

No it is about jumping straight to a known college head job. We all know quite a few successful coaches had coached at the high school level at one time in their past.

[MissippHog]

I don't understand the concerns...  Arkansas hasn't effectively recruited Memphis in 20 years.

Things can't get worse.

I agree.  I think it hurts Ole Miss more than anyone else in the SEC.

[forrest city joe]

ESPN reports that Tubby maybe out and Penny in.  He will dominate Memphis area recruiting IMHO

We are not getting anyone out of Memphis anyway,so who cares who they hire.last Memphis player we got was A.Bell.and that was 6 years ago. and he was not even offered by Tiger High.i hope Mike has moved on from Memphis.Arkansas,Texas and Oklahoma.

[GuvHog]

Another chance for Memphis to vacate some games in the next five years if this happens. With his AAU connection in Memphis, I predict things will not go well for Penny. At first they will win, but a few years down the road problems will exist.

I seriously doubt that happens. With the FBI investigation going on and Penny's AAU connections, I'm pretty sure he will be told by the Memphis PTB to keep his nose clean or else. They've never recovered from the damage Calipari did to the basketball program there and they don't want any further damage done.

[forrest city joe]

I seriously doubt that happens. With the FBI investigation going on and Penny's AAU connections, I'm pretty sure he will be told by the Memphis PTB to keep his nose clean or else. They've never recovered from the damage Calipari did to the basketball program there and they don't want any further damage done.

Tiger High never stops cheating.it goes all the way back to Gene bartow,Wayne Yates and Dana Kirk. they have always been an outlaw cheating program. and nothing has or will change.

[DeltaBoy]

It will all work out.  I love to get 2 kids from Memphis every other years.

[GuvHog]

Tiger High never stops cheating.it goes all the way back to Gene bartow,Wayne Yates and Dana Kirk. they have always been an outlaw cheating program. and nothing has or will change.

I'll give ya Wayne Yates and Dana Kirk, they were dirty. Bartow though, was a clean coach and was well respected by his peers.

[forrest city joe]

I'll give ya Wayne Yates and Dana Kirk, they were dirty. Bartow though, was a clean coach and was well respected by his peers.

You don't know the half of it Gene Bartow was a know cheater in these parts.Larry Kenon was payed to come to Tiger High from that Jucco.and a lot of other stuff went on under him.the media respects Roy Williams.BUT HE'S A CHEATER.

[razorson]

Little Penny assistant coach

[yraciv]

How? What players recently have we got from Memphis?

Mardracus Wade is the only one I can think of, and we technically got him out of a Virginia prep school.

[redhogchilipepper]

We did fine in Memphis after Edgar left.

Name a recruit that was good as any Edgar recruited? I can't think of a single one

Cuz we haven't signed any since Nolan was coach

[The_Iceman]

How? What players recently have we got from Memphis?

Wade and Bell are the only two I can think of.

[yraciv]

We've had more heartbreak in Memphis than anything. I can think of a couple future NBA players from there we thought we had a chance to land in Thaddeus Young and Jarnell Stokes before they turned us down.

[masbas3]

ESPN reports that Tubby maybe out and Penny in.  He will dominate Memphis area recruiting IMHO

Penny will end up being a very good Coach, and yes, no one will be able to go into Memphis and get a recruit if he's successful there.