Reality

[Bacon_Bitz]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university's dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year's class will probably be the worst of the century.

[colbs]

Bishop?  Ferrell?  Jeez not sure what some of you expected.  Only 9 days to recruit at Arkansas.  It's not like he can spend a ton of time with these players.  Some players took their OV with the he old staff so Morris can't meet them in person.

[Wooderson]

It is not going well.  I guess he will have a little over a month to salvage it.  I do not think he will be able to do what Bret did his first recruiting class.

[a0ashle]

Some of this may be good as it frees up spots for CCMs players, it will definitely take some work, but I'm gonna wait until signing day before I sweat it too much.

[colbs]

It is not going well.  I guess he will have a little over a month to salvage it.  I do not think he will be able to do what Bret did his first recruiting class.

Two things that helped BB out a ton.  First no early signing period. 2nd Tim Horton was out recruiting until BB was hired.  Lunney wasn't able to go out and visit any recruits until CCM was hired.  If he would have been able to then that might have held off some kids from visiting other schools.

[jgphillips3]

Every coach in the past has had at least 6 weeks to work on the class.  This is the first early signing period ever.  I don't think we can say with any clarity how well or poorly he has done with that little time. 

[farmhawg]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university's dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year's class will probably be the worst of the century.

Good grief.....you just can't fix stupid.

[Tim Harris]

Early signing period and choosing to wait until after bowl games to announce assistants is going to hurt his first class.  In the end I'm sure they will be able to put together a decent class though.

[Wooderson]

Two things that helped BB out a ton.  First no early signing period. 2nd Tim Horton was out recruiting until BB was hired.  Lunney wasn't able to go out and visit any recruits until CCM was hired.  If he would have been able to then that might have held off some kids from visiting other schools.

Why was Lunney not allowed to?  NCAA rules or UofA decision?

[Jim Harris]

It is not going well.  I guess he will have a little over a month to salvage it.  I do not think he will be able to do what Bret did his first recruiting class.

The good news here is, maybe he'll be a helluva lot better recruiter than Bret was in his following years after his big splash first class after taking the job, because Bret's followup classses were LOUSY.

[colbs]

Why was Lunney not allowed to?  NCAA rules or UofA decision?

U of A decision.

[Bacon_Bitz]

Yes Ferrell and Bishop are bright spots. Early signing period definitely makes this year different. And coming from SMU, CCM didn't have the already established connections with some big time recruits like CBB did coming from Wisconsin. And we will see how things end up but whatever the explanation the class will not wow anyone in the end.

[Wooderson]

U of A decision.

That is worthy of a firing.

[010HogFan]

Trash thread.

[hogfan14]

Not sure what people expect with barely over a week to recruit and no defensive staff yet.

[FraggleHog]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university’s dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year’s class will probably be the worst of the century.

Just stop it... He has literally been on the job for 10 days.  Couple that with the new Early Signing Day initiative sets up teams that are going through coaching changes for failure. The success of this class has nothing to do with CCM's abilities. The guy has been on the road recruiting non-stop since he was hired.

Take a deep breath and let things play out...

[Bacon_Bitz]

Not sure what people expect with barely over a week to recruit and no defensive staff yet.

I didn't expect much. There's plenty of excuses. At the end of the day thought this class won't be very good. That's reality

[searkhogfan]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university's dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year's class will probably be the worst of the century.

Oh Good God,  step away from the Ledge.

[010HogFan]

I didn't expect much. There's plenty of excuses. At the end of the day thought this class won't be very good. That's reality

That's Bielema's fault. He quit recruiting.

[Psychohog]

That is worthy of a firing.

Is your avi a pic of you?

[Wooderson]

This defensive hire better be a good one to offset the potential damage to recruiting.

[Grizzlyfan]

This isn't going to be a great recruiting class.  there's no doubt about that. But there is also no reason to believe it would be.  Crappy season.  Coaching change.  No DC in place for the recruits on the D side.  Don't start judging his recruiting until next year.

[010HogFan]

This isn't going to be a great recruiting class.  there's no doubt about that. But there is also no reason to believe it would be.  Crappy season.  Coaching change.  No DC in place for the recruits on the D side.  Don't start judging his recruiting until next year.

no logic allowed here

[Wooderson]

A coaching change and the new signing period are certainly limfacs, but not having a defensive staff in place is Coach Morris decision and falls squarely on him.  Hope the hire is a great one to justify it.

[colbs]

I didn't expect much. There's plenty of excuses. At the end of the day thought this class won't be very good. That's reality

Well it's yet to be determined.  There is still a signing period in a February.  Regardless this class wouldn't have been ranked highly because they won't take a full class.  I think majority of people were going to wait and see how next year's class turns out.

[Uncle Remus]

Here's the other thing...we are coming off of a rough season to say the least.  The program has been in the headlines for several of the wrong reasons this year during the season and since BB's departure.  Surely we realized that this was going to be a tough job to say the least.  I think some folks are going to have to see the results on the field before some of this could has lifted.  Plus, we are going to have to give the man some time.  I don't think it's fair in any way you spin it to blame him for the recruiting for this year.  He is doing all he can with no momentum whatsoever to work with.  Like CCM or not, we have got to be reasonable about this and placing blame on his shoulders for any of this recruiting mess is not living in reality or being reasonable.  Part of taking over any job in any field after someone's termination requires some time to clean up messes.  If you think that a mess wasn't left with him when it came to many of these players...then you really aren't informed.  Let's see where GB is going to go today, but if he does indeed go elsewhere, how much of a chance did CCM have to salvage that in the period of time he had and with the poor relationship that was already in place?  Let's let this play out and really start to look at the recruiting class through a microscope in February...but more realistically...next year.

[hobhog]

#dramaqueen

Not sure how anyone could expect much 10 days on job with first ever early signing date for kids he doesn't even know.

[Atlhogfan1]

I think the early period has really changed the dynamic from what both BB and BP faced.  BB and BP both had some good success in their partial classes in the weeks leading up to the Feb signing day.  Morris not so much so far and we'll see who is left for the traditional Feb signing day.  Give it the 2019 class before getting into too much of a panic. 

As far as the impact of this class, BB did a good job redshirting his last full class.  Hopefully on the field in 2021 we won't feel the effects of this 2018 class too much in a negative way. 

[colbs]

Now they will have time to complete the staff, evaluate the current roster & evaluate recruits.

[farmhawg]

A coaching change and the new signing period are certainly limfacs, but not having a defensive staff in place is Coach Morris decision and falls squarely on him.  Hope the hire is a great one to justify it.

Ok Mikey

[Redhogs]

That's Bielema's fault. He quit recruiting.

100% true....got lazyer and lazyer as time went on. Really did run this program into the ground.

[ChopSooie]

A coaching change and the new signing period are certainly limfacs, but not having a defensive staff in place is Coach Morris decision and falls squarely on him.  Hope the hire is a great one to justify it.

This logic is a short term answer to our lack of DC. You have to look long term. The announcement of the DC isn't just on him. Ever switch jobs? It's a mutual decision on any start date.

[Redhogs]

Banks was a JUCO guy that only committed because Hogs were best offers. Plus, FL is home state school. Flanagan one is more of a bummer because he's an in-state kid. His makes less sense and not a good look, even if he doesn't seem to be all that great of a player. Not going after Hanspard is also questionable... But getting Ferrell and Bishop is a major positive! Regardless that they're from Arkansas, neither was coming here under CBB and they needed to be. Both great athletes! Banks was likely to flip even under the old staff. That's how it goes sometimes, not an exact science. New signing period is a hindrance for new staff

All this seems to be true.

[TexasRazorback]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university's dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year's class will probably be the worst of the century.

What do you expect when you hire a coach 13 days before early signing period. You are going to lose kids who committed to Bielema. CCM is doing a great job and is hitting the ground running. Rome wasnt built in a day neither was Clemson or Bama.

[AirWarren]

Recruiting is off to a terrible start under CCM. All the news is about losing commits or instate kids signing elsewhere in the early period. Besides paying for a few reaches to visit the hill on the university's dime and flipping some low three stars from SMU, there has been no good news.

I hope CCM succeeds and expect he might have a better class next year but the reality is this year's class will probably be the worst of the century.

BOOO HOOOOOOOO

Chicken little.

[AirWarren]

I am also fascinated in the anger you people are having toward kids the PREVIOUS COACH touted as reliable given his winning record here at Arkansas........


Seems most would be happy to see any Bielema tie go......

[jkstock04]

Not sure what people expect with barely over a week to recruit and no defensive staff yet.

I'm not really surprised...kind of one of those is what it is type of deals. Gonna get a lot worse before/if it gets better.

I agree..with the timing tough to blame the current coaches. I blame Bielema and Jeff Long for being terrible and putting us in this current position.

[GuvHog]

This isn't going to be a great recruiting class.  there's no doubt about that. But there is also no reason to believe it would be.  Crappy season.  Coaching change.  No DC in place for the recruits on the D side.  Don't start judging his recruiting until next year.

This is a good point in my opinion. Also, I believe CCM's record at SMU is causing him problems with recruiting too but once his Hogs start winning, the recruiting will really pick up.

[Wooderson]

Ok Mikey

It's Michael to you. 

[farmhawg]

It's Michael to you. 

Should I just use your last name?

[Dirty]

Good grief.....you just can't fix stupid.

You can if you hit enough times with a 🔨.

[Wooderson]

Should I just use your last name?

That's up to you.  I promise it won't change a thing I say.

[farmhawg]

You can if you hit enough times with a 🔨.

+1

[GuvHog]

I’m not really surprised...kind of one of those is what it is type of deals. Gonna get a lot worse before/if it gets better.

I agree..with the timing tough to blame the current coaches. I blame Bielema and Jeff Long for being terrible and putting us in this current position.

I have no animosity toward Bret Bielema. He was put in a bad position from the git-go and it shouldn't have happened. This is ALL on Jeff Long,

[farmhawg]

All over now, Guv showed up.

[PonderinHog]

All over now, Guv showed up.

What, reality

[Grizzlyfan]

I have no animosity toward Bret Bielema. He was put in a bad position from the git-go and it shouldn't have happened. This is ALL on Jeff Long,

What bad position was Bielema put in?  Being the coach at Arkansas?

[Pistol Pig Maravich]

Is your avi a pic of you?

You should be bant for not being a real sports fan!! All sports fans would know that is from Major League!!

[GuvHog]

What bad position was Bielema put in?  Being the coach at Arkansas?

Basically in hiring Bielema, Long tried to put a square peg in a round hole.

[Bacon_Bitz]

Amazing all the touchy responses a thread gets just from pointing out this will be a bad recruiting cycle.  Call me stupid, call me a drama queen, call me any name.  Offer any excuses or explanations you want.  Give him time.  Ok  It's going to be a tough cycle.  Not one of you actually argued with that basic fact.