All-SEC Football Players and Their Ratings out of High School

[hogfan11]

Manziel was a 3 star.. Cobi-3 star

This list shows how many stars did the 2012 All SEC team coming in..

I follow these guys on Facebook and thought it was a pretty cool post to share

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/first-team-all-sec-recruiting-rankings/

[GoHogzzGo]

1-2*(kicker), 8-3*s, 10-4*s, 5-5*s

Found it interesting that all the 5 stars are on defense. Nice to see Cobi on the list, I really hope he lights up the League, kid can play.

[hogfan11]

yea. a lot of #1 ranked players on defense.. typically the super fast guys in the secondary too

[hogwild210]

I'm still bitter about missing out on Patterson at Tenn.

[scruf]

I'm still bitter about missing out on Patterson at Tenn.

Why? I mean, he's great but he would've played one year for an non-bowl eligible Arkansas team and then went to the NFL (he just declared).

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Lot's of 4 and 5 stars on that list.  The only 2 star is a kicker.

[Hoggish1]

1-2*(kicker), 8-3*s, 10-4*s, 5-5*s

Found it interesting that all the 5 stars are on defense. Nice to see Cobi on the list, I really hope he lights up the League, kid can play.

2*s is all a kicker ever gets.  Has anybody ever seen a 3*kicker?

[Turminator]

Any one know many total 4 and 5 star players are there each year compared to the total number of 3 stars in the country?

[GoHogzzGo]

2*s is all a kicker ever gets.  Has anybody ever seen a 3*kicker?

Peyton Hillis. 5* at every position, including coach.

Seriously though I don't pay attention with kickers either. That's why I clarified the only 2* was just the kicker.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Any one know many 4 and 5 star players are there each year compared to 3 stars?

In case this isn't rhetorical...there are significantly more 3's than 4 and 5's combined.

[GoHogzzGo]

2*s is all a kicker ever gets.  Has anybody ever seen a 3*kicker?

Ok here's an actual answer. Two 3*s I found on google.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Wes-Byrum-54812

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kai-Forbath-37002

[pignparadise]

Ok here's an actual answer. Two 3*s I found on google.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Wes-Byrum-54812

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kai-Forbath-37002

Here's another one   http://floridastate.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=420453

[Prestworthy]

Interesting how most of the star power is on D, and lots of 3* on O.

[LaHog12]

In case this isn't rhetorical...there are significantly more 3's than 4 and 5's combined.

Link?

[Music City Hog]

Link?

This year there are:

34 five star players
338 four star players
1278 three star players
1688 two star players


11% of all ranked players are 4 or 5 star rated players, yet 68% of the first team all sec team are 4 or 5 star players. 

[Prestworthy]

This year there are:

34 five star players
338 four star players
1278 three star players
1688 two star players


11% of all ranked players are 4 or 5 star rated players, yet 68% of the first team all sec team are 4 or 5 star players.

I would be interested to see the other conferences' breakdown.  I bet we'd see mostly 3* guys.  The top talent flocks to the SEC.

[Music City Hog]

I would be interested to see the other conferences' breakdown.  I bet we'd see mostly 3* guys.  The top talent flocks to the SEC.

Well of course.  The WAC won't have many four and five star players on their all WAC team because those players don't exist in that conference.  We would be very competitive in the WAC.

[tophawg19]

so basically there are a ton of unrated kids out there

[Prestworthy]

Well of course.  The WAC won't have many four and five star players on their all WAC team because those players don't exist in that conference.  We would be very competitive in the WAC.

I guess I was referring to the B1G, B12, PAC12, ACC, etc.... The WAC wasn't a conference that crossed my mind.

[Music City Hog]

I guess I was referring to the B1G, B12, PAC12, ACC, etc.... The WAC wasn't a conference that crossed my mind.

Regardless, the point is that in the conference in which we compete...we aren't holding our own in recruiting.

[jbcarol]

2012 FRESHMAN ALL-SEC FOOTBALL TEAM
(*-Ties) (Coaches could not vote for their own players)

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- OFFENSE

QB 5.7  Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (2011 dual threat QB)

RB 6.0  Todd Gurley, Georgia (2012 RB)
     6.1  T.J. Yeldon, Alabama (2012 RB)

AP 6.1  Trey Williams, Texas A&M (2012 RB)

[jbcarol]

How did Alabama's drafted players from 2007 to 2011 rank as recruits?

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/countdown_to_signing_day_what.html

[The flip side of this would be the highly rated recruits who did not pan out, perhaps because they did not play.]

[jbcarol]

We all want 4/5 stars but there is some good ball players on this. 

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/sec-three-star-recruits-2012/

50 SEC three stars who excelled

[jbcarol]

Athlon: College Football Recruiting's 10 Biggest Five-Star Busts Since 2008

2. Bryce Brown, RB, Tennessee (2009)
Wichita (Kan.) East
AC100 No. 4, No. 1 RB

6. Tyler Love, OL, Alabama (2008)
Mountain Brook (Ala.) High
AC100 No. 23, No. 3 OL

7. Russell Shepard, WR, LSU (2009)
Houston (Texas) Cypress Ridge
AC100 No. 2, No. 2 QB

8. B.J. Scott, ATH, Alabama (2008)
Prichard (Ala.) Vigor
AC100 No. 22, No. 2 ATH

Others receiving votes:
Darius Winston, DB, Arkansas (2009)
West Helena (Ark.) Central
AC100 No. 22, No. 2 CB

Isaiah Crowell, RB, Georgia (2011)
AC100 No. 9, No. 2 RB

[jbcarol]

Recruiting: Ranking the SEC's Best Football Rosters
Athlon Sports analyzes how the rosters in the SEC stack up nationally.
H/T MrSEC: Athlon Sports takes a look at recruiting rankings and real-life wins.

Recruiting rankings have their detractors. Yes, evaluating 16- and 17-year-old kids is an inexact science. No, star rankings aren't the only thing that matters. Yes, leadership (e.g., Nick Saban) is more important than national recruiting rankings (See Auburn).

But using national team recruiting rankings to attempt to pinpoint how "talented" any given roster is can be an interesting and illuminating practice.

So what do the team recruiting rankings teach us about the SEC:
He who has the best players, wins the game

What happened to Auburn and Tennessee?
Since the 2008 football season, the Tigers and Vols have had a combined seven different coaches. They are two of the SEC's biggest underachievers and one of the obvious reasons has been coaching, because both programs recruit at an elite level...

Bobby Petrino is THAT good
From 2009 to 2011, Arkansas was 29-10 overall and 15-9 in the SEC under Bobby Petrino. His recruiting classes in Fayetteville ranked no higher than seventh (2009) in the SEC recruiting rankings and cracked the top 20 nationally just once. Otherwise, Arkansas finished ninth or tenth in the SEC rankings every cycle. It proves that not only can a team win big in the SEC (10-11 wins) with a recruiting class ranked outside of the top 20 but that Petrino (aka, elite leadership) was the great equalizer. As soon as he stepped away, the 10th-best roster in the league played like it...

More...

[jbcarol]

Here's a look at how Gene Chizik's seven junior college signees during his four-year tenure at Auburn turned out in their time on the Plains. A note: Chizik only signed junior college transfers in his first two classes...

-- 2009 --

NICK FAIRLEY, DT, COPIAH-LINCOLN CC (Wesson, Miss.)
How he turned out: Originally considered a three-star offensive lineman after playing at Mobile's Williamson High...

ELTORO FREEMAN, MLB, MISSISSIPPI GULF COAST CC...

DEMOND WASHINGTON, ATH, MISSISSIPPI GULF COAST CC..

-- 2010 --

JOEL BONOMOLO, DE, FULLERTON JC (CALIF.)
How he turned out: Bonomolo never panned out on the football field at Auburn...

ROSZELL GAYDEN, OT, COLLEGE OF THE SEQUOIAS (CALIF.)
How he turned out: Gayden suffered a knee injury in spring football and then hurt his shoulder in his first training camp, lost his job due to the emergence of A.J. Greene and left the team in the middle of the 2010 season...

BRANDON MOSLEY, OT, COFFEYVILLE JC (KAN.)...

CAM NEWTON, QB, BLINN JC (TEXAS)
... won the Heisman Trophy and led the Tigers to the 2010 national championship. After declaring for the 2011 NFL Draft, Newton was picked No. 1 overall by the Carolina Panthers, won the Rookie of the Year award...

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2013/01/countdown_to_signing_day_how_s.html

[jbcarol]

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/59952/where-they-ranked-as-recruits-offense

Where did the players on the 2012 Associated Press All-SEC team rank as high school prospects by the ESPN recruiting folks?

QB: Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Three-star prospect and unranked in the ESPN 150 in 2011. Ranked as the No. 39 quarterback prospect nationally. Nine other quarterbacks who signed with SEC schools that year were ranked higher. Among them: Kiehl Frazier (Auburn), Christian LeMay (Georgia), Jerrard Randall (LSU), Justin Worley (Tennessee), Maikhail Miller (Ole Miss), Brandon Allen (Arkansas) and Jacoby Brissett (Florida). Manziel was ranked as the No. 97 prospect overall in the state of Texas...

WR: Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas – Unranked in the ESPN 150 in 2009. Ranked as the No. 50 receiver prospect nationally. That same year, LSU signee Russell Shepard was ranked as No. 1 overall athlete nationally...

[jbcarol]

Whereas only four of the 12 offensive players (counting the all-purpose player) on this season's All-SEC team were ESPN 150 prospects, nine of the 11 defensive players made the ESPN 150 cut as high school recruits. Eight of the 11 were ranked among the top 10 prospects nationally at their position.

The only two who weren't ESPN 150 prospects were A&M defensive end Damontre Moore and State cornerback Johnthan Banks.

DE: Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina -- A five-star prospect and ranked No. 1 overall in the ESPN 150 in 2011...

DE: Damontre Moore, Texas A&M -- A three-star prospect and unranked in the ESPN 150 in 2010. Ranked as the No. 48 defensive end prospect nationally. Six of the top 15 defensive end prospects that year signed with SEC schools -- No. 4 Corey Miller (Tennessee), No. 5 Adrian Hubbard (Alabama), No. 9 Corey Lemonier (Auburn), No. 10 Chris Martin (Florida), No. 14 LaDarius Owens (Auburn) and No. 15 Justin Maclin (LSU)...

[jbcarol]

2012 FRESHMAN ALL-SEC FOOTBALL TEAM
(*-Ties) (Coaches could not vote for their own players)

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- OFFENSE

TE  5.7  Jerell Adams, South Carolina  (2011 as a TE)
       
WR  6.0  Amari Cooper, Alabama (2012 as a WR)
      5.5  Mike Evans, Texas A&M (2011 as an ATH)

Note: Thomas Johnson, A&M, 6.0 was the #4 WR in the nation in '12 who went missing after the Bama win and at last update is out of football.

Of course, DGB, Mizzou, 6.1, was the #1 WR in the '12 class.

[jbcarol]

Evaluating how the 5-star recruits on Auburn's roster have panned out

Former five-star prospects Corey Lemonier, Michael Dyer and Christian Westerman could all have been part of the 2013 team, but Lemonier is an early entry for the NFL Draft, Dyer left after discipline problems and Westerman decided to transfer to Arizona State earlier this year.

With another National Signing Day approaching, here's a look at the six former five-star prospects on Auburn's current roster and how they've fared...

CLASS OF 2010

SHON COLEMAN, OT, OLIVE BRANCH (MISS.) HIGH

Where he stands: Coleman, ranked a five-star prospect by Rivals.com, was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia shortly after signing his national letter of intent, beat the disease and then spent more than a year recovering to rejoin the football team. Back on the roster in 2012, Coleman didn't play, but the NCAA recently granted Coleman an extra year of eligibility, allowing him four years to play...


CLASS OF 2011

KIEHL FRAZIER, QB, SHILOH CHRISTIAN, SPRINGDALE, ARK.

Where he stands: Frazier, who was named USA Today's National Offensive Player of the Year and awarded five stars by Scout.com, played as a freshman, rushing for 327 yards and three rushing touchdowns as Auburn's Wildcat quarterback. Handed the starting job to open 2012, Frazier struggled mightily in five starts and eventually lost the job to Clint Moseley...


CLASS OF 2012
Shoulder injuries took out two potential starters on the O-line.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2013/02/countdown_to_signing_day_evalu.html

[jbcarol]

2012 FRESHMAN ALL-SEC FOOTBALL TEAM
(*-Ties) (Coaches could not vote for their own players)

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- OFFENSE
     
OL  6.1  John Theus, Georgia (2012 as an OT)
     6.1  D.J. Humphries, Florida (2012 as an OT)
     5.9  Brandon Shell, South Carolina (2011 as an OT)
     5.8  Vadal Alexander, LSU (2011 as an OG)

C   5.7  Ryan Kelly, Alabama (2011 as a C out of Lakota West)

[jbcarol]

Crimson Tide's Class of 2008 included five players who were first-round NFL draft picks - Julio Jones, Marcell Dareus, Mark Barron, Mark Ingram and Dont'a Hightower. Two other members of the class were second-round picks - Terrence Cody and Courtney Upshaw - and three more members of the class are expected to be drafted this year - Barrett Jones, Michael Williams and Robert Lester.

The class includes one Heisman Trophy winner (Ingram) and one Outland Trophy winner (Jones).

2. Florida 2007

If there's one SEC class in the last 10 years that can come close to Alabama's 2008 class in terms of first-round talent, it's the group that Urban Meyer put together at Florida in 2007. Joe Haden, Maurkice Pouncey and Mike Pouncey were all first-round picks, and the class also included an eventual No. 1 overall pick - Cam Newton...

While it's too early to include classes from the last couple of years under this criteria, A&M's class of 2010 (Luke Joeckel, Jake Matthews, Damontre Moore) and a couple of other recent classes...

[jbcarol]

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- DEFENSE

DL  6.1  Dante Fowler, Jr. Florida (2012 WDE)
      6.1  Jonathan Bullard, Florida (2012 SDE)
      5.7  Issac Gross, Ole Miss (2012 DT)
      5.8  D.J. Pettway, Alabama (2011 SDE)

[jbcarol]

Paul Oliver. Kregg Lumpkin. Brandon Miller. Kade Weston. Those are not the four best players in Georgia football's recent history. None of them was ever even a first-team all-SEC selection.But between 2003-05, those four were the highest-rated recruits who signed with Georgia. They were the only prospects rated as a composite "five star" by the recruiting services.

"If we haven't improved, then we probably should be fired," said Chad Simmons of Scout.com, who is in his ninth year as a recruiting analyst.

...

What does this mean? Basically, that being a five-star recruit in 2013 means a bit more than it did in 2008 -- and a whole lot more than in 2003."We get a bad rap," Schurburtt said of recruiting analysts. "If you look at it, look at the first-round draft picks in the NFL, these guys aren't batting that higher a percentage than we are. Football is a tough game to evaluate, because so much is between the head and the chest. You can never climb into a guy's head and see what he's thinking, and you can't climb in his chest and see how he's feeling."

http://www.macon.com/2013/02/02/2340653/recruiting-star-ratings-a-bit.html

There's one aspect for which the rating services cannot be held accountable.

If a five-star RB wants to sign to be one of the twelve RBs at Bama and doesn't pan out, it's not the services' fault.

[jbcarol]

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- DEFENSE

LB  NR   Denzel Nkemdiche, Ole Miss (2011 unrated as a safety)
     5.5  Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi State (2011 as an ATH)
     5.7  *A.J. Turner, Arkansas (2012 as an OLB)
     5.8  *Otha Peters, Arkansas (2012 Vol flip as an ILB)
     5.8  *Antonio Morrison, Florida (2012 as an ILB)

[jbcarol]

FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- DEFENSE

DB  5.8  Jalen Collins, LSU (2011 CB out of Olive Branch)
     5.6  T.J. Gurley, South Carolina (2011 CB)
     5.5  Rohan Gaines, Arkansas (2011 as an ATH)
     5.9  LaDarrell McNeil, Tennessee (2012 Safety)

[jbcarol]

Top Strongside DE's counting for SEC team rankings from '10

JR Ferguson  LSU  6.0
Alfy Hill      Bama 5.9
Jordan Allen LSU  5.9
Jalen Fields  UGa  5.8
Dexter Morant UG 5.8

Reserve defensive end/outside linebacker Dexter Morant has left the school "due to academic considerations," according to UGA.

The rising redshirt junior from Manning, S.C., never played in a game for the Bulldogs. He worked on the scout team but was often sidelined during a career that included two shoulder surgeries.

Morant made news before his first practice at Georgia in 2010 when he left the team but returned after four days.

http://dogbytesonline.com/some-georgia-football-comings-early-enrollees-and-goings-dexter-morant-67755/

[jbcarol]

2012 FRESHMAN ALL-SEC FOOTBALL TEAM
(Coaches could not vote for their own players)
 
FRESHMAN ALL-SEC -- SPECIAL TEAMS

PK  NR  Andrew Baggett, Missouri
       
P   5.3  Landon Foster, Kentucky (2012)

RS  6.1  Trey Williams, A&M (2012 as an RB)

[GalaHawg]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130204/recruiting-rankings-predictive-accuracy/

Fun read...

Summary: The Rivals rankings predictions are about as good or slightly better than pre-season polls for top 45 teams or so.

[Vantage 8 dude]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130204/recruiting-rankings-predictive-accuracy/

Fun read...

Summary: The Rivals rankings predictions are about as good or slightly better than pre-season polls for top 45 teams or so.

I'm never going to say that star ratings have no meaning because over the years we know they often do have significant predictive power. However, at the same time we also know that it's only PART of the equation. There are so many variables as to whether or not a young man works out being a star as not. Heck, we also know of more than just a few instances where lower rated kids (3 and even 2 stars) have come out of no where to have amazing careers at a school and in more than a few instances even beyond. We've all seen kids who've torn up the playing fields in high school seemingly disappear once they got to the college level. Whether or not it turned out to be the academics, injuries, the particular system being run, the lack of effort/training, other distractions, disciplinary problems or whatever we all recognize there are (almost) countless pitfalls awaiting any young person in today's world. No doubt some coaches have a seemingly uncanny "magical touch" when it comes to picking out talent. Heck, even the mighty Nike Saban has found more than one or two "diamonds in the rough" (not that he's had to resort to many) and been able to develop them into something special. However, even the best evaluator isn't going to hit it every time because of one or more of those "uhh, ohh" factors mentioned previously. To some degree it will always be a "crapshoot" no matter how much time, effort, or talent is involved on all sides. That's one reason why you sign your kids, try to coach 'em up and take your chances...It's another reason why, in my opinion,  good staffs tend to earn everything they get paid.

[Hawg Balling]

Hogville: where stars don't matter unless they commit to us. 

[jbcarol]

Top Pro-style quarterbacks counting for SEC team rankings from '13 class

Hayden Rettig     LSU  6.0
Jeremy Johnson    AU  5.9
Cooper Bateman Bama 5.8
Connor Mitch        SC  5.8
Brice Ramsey      UGa  5.8
Kohl Stewart       A&M 5.8
Ryan Buchanan    OM  5.8
Joshua Dobbs     Vols  5.7
Riley Ferguson    Vols  5.7
Austin Allen      Hogs  5.7
Devante Kincade  OM  5.7
Chad Kanoff         VU  5.7
Eddie Printz, Jr.    MU  5.7

[jbcarol]

Top dual-threat quarterbacks counting for SEC team rankings from '13 class

Kenny Hill           A&M  5.9
Anthony Jennings  LSU  5.9
Cord Sandberg       MS  5.9
Johnathon McCrary  VU  5.8
Damon Mitchell   Hogs  5.7
Trent Hosick          MU  5.7

[jbcarol]

Top all-purpose backs counting for SEC team rankings from '13 class

Alvin Kamara  Bama  6.0
Mark Dodson Jr  OM  5.9
JoJo Kemp        UK   5.7
Eugene Brazley  OM  5.6

[jbcarol]

Top running backs counting for SEC team rankings from '13 class

Derrick Henry  Bama  6.0
Kelvin Taylor      UF  6.0
A. Tenpenny  Bama  6.0
Tyren Jones   Bama  6.0
Alex Collins     Hogs  5.9
Johnathan Ford  AU  5.8
AJ Turman       UGa  5.8
Jordan Wilkins   OM  5.8
David Williams  USC  5.8
Kailo Moore      OM  5.8
James White   A&M  5.7 
Adam Lane      UF   5.7
Peyton Barber  AU   5.7
Jamari Smith   USC  5.7
Jabo Lee        Vols  5.7

[jbcarol]

Alabama makes it look so easy.

It needs a running back. It signs several. And not just any running backs, but some of the very best, according to recruiting services.

It seems contradictory to my theory that the only thing a running back wants more than the ball is a chance to start right away. Tennessee running backs coach Jay Graham believes the theory is still valid.

"I think all running backs want the ball," Graham said on signing day. "And they want to play early."

So how do you explain Alabama signing four running backs Wednesday? All of those backs surely will have to fall in line behind T.J. Yeldon, who was sensational last season as a freshman. Also, don't forget about consensus high school All-American Dee Hart or 240-pound Jalston Fowler, promising running backs who missed last season with injuries.

"The thing about running backs, they have confidence," said Graham, a former running back who didn't mind signing with the Vols when they were loaded with good running backs. "They have confidence they can compete if you've got four guys in a signing class or five guys."

Whether running backs are confident they can overtake the competition or patient enough to wait for playing time, national champion Alabama keeps stockpiling them. But Alabama isn't the only SEC program that gets the running backs it needs or wants.

Last season, LSU was so stacked with talent at running back that the two players who began the season as Nos. 3 and 4 on the depth chart both declared for the NFL draft after their junior seasons.

Georgia was in dire need of running backs in the last recruiting class. It didn't just sign one elite running back; it signed two. In fact, one Georgia running back actually helped recruit the other one.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2013/feb/08/john-adams-recruiting-a-running-battle-for-vols

[jbcarol]

Andy Staples finally reranks the 2010 football recruiting classes:

1. A&M (original rank 17)

2. SC  (up from 24)

3. Bama

4. Auburn

7. LSU


Original 2010 rankings

1. USC

2. Florida

3. Tejas

4. Auburn

5. Bama

6. LSU

9. Tennessee

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130211/recruiting-class-of-2010-re-rank

[DeltaBoy]

Long 8 page read but Stars do count at least 2/3's of the time and the other 1/3 is just a roll of the dice.

Bama is in Tank mode right now and is set to run ruffshod over anybody that stands in their way.  Saban is to Bama like Patton was to the 8th armored division.

[jbcarol]

Chris Low: there's no reason to fret just because your school signed a quarterback that wasn't on everybody's list of blue-clippers.

Case in point: There were two quarterbacks among the three Heisman Trophy finalists in 2012, and neither one of those guys was a four-star prospect.

[jbcarol]

Top fullback counting for SEC team rankings from '13 class

Brendan Douglas  UGa  5.5