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Dirttrackhog

You don't think of Florida as a place that breeds football as say Texas does.  I might be wrong, but why is there so much talent? Is it just a few power house schools like IMG that make the numbers look inflated? 

FATHAWG08

I've always had the impression Florida was a very key recruiting state that we needed to make a high priority. Florida has tons of High School talent!!
I love off season Football!!

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PorkRinds

Quote from: Dirttrackhog on February 22, 2017, 11:28:51 am
You don't think of Florida as a place that breeds football as say Texas does.  I might be wrong, but why is there so much talent? Is it just a few power house schools like IMG that make the numbers look inflated?

I think of Florida as that kind of place, actually. Better than Texas really.

Swine Time

If you look at hometown of the recruits that come from IMG, they should count for their home state.
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GoHogzzGo

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 22, 2017, 11:59:36 am
I think of Florida as that kind of place, actually. Better than Texas really.

Ditto. Don't know why but per capita they make some footballers.
Success isn't permanent and failure isn't fatal.

colbs

Quote from: PorkRinds on February 22, 2017, 11:59:36 am
I think of Florida as that kind of place, actually. Better than Texas really.
Yeah I think it does produce more than Texas.  There is 3 programs within the state that all have very storied programs and get he majority of their players from within the state.  Can't think of any state like that. 

Grizzlyfan

It's the 4th most populous state in the country.

Biggus Piggus

Florida, Georgia and Texas had about 3 million African-American populations in the 2010 census.
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ErieHog

Quote from: Dirttrackhog on February 22, 2017, 11:28:51 am
You don't think of Florida as a place that breeds football as say Texas does.  I might be wrong, but why is there so much talent? Is it just a few power house schools like IMG that make the numbers look inflated? 

You think of Florida first, and Texas maybe 3rd, behind California as well.

Grinding poverty seems to produce a lot of talent-  it isn't unique to any race, or time, or place-- when you are broke and working for survival,  physical fitness matters a lot, and it becomes a way out for disadvantaged folks.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

bennyl08

California produces a lot, but they have a lot of people. Similarly for Texas. Fla and GA are right up there in producing talent, despite having lower population. Further, IIRC, Fla and Ga players are more likely to go onto the NFL than Tx players.
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cpohog

The weather is great and allows for year round competition. Their local high school, 7 on 7 and spring ball. Prior to that they have GREAT Pee wee league football that TONS of kids are involved in from the time they learn to run and put on cleats. Community support of these early programs is awesome.

All of the metropolitan areas in Florida have their own powerhouses.
Miami area has Northwestern, Booker T Washington, Central and St Thomas Aquinas, Tampa area has Plant and IMG, Jacksonville has Ponte Vedra, Bolles and Trinity Christian Academy the list down here goes on and on!!

Piggfoot

It is amazing to me how many posters here discount numbers. Bigger is better.
More population and more African Americans = more and better football players.
Hog fan since 1960. So thankful for Sam Pittman.

GoHogzzGo

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/1/30/14375298/college-football-recruiting-state-rankings-population-capita

Interestingly Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama all produce more talent relative to their population then Texas and Florida. Better HS football, more participation in football?
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Piggfoot

Quote from: GoHogzzGo on February 22, 2017, 03:14:16 pm
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/1/30/14375298/college-football-recruiting-state-rankings-population-capita

Interestingly Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama all produce more talent relative to their population then Texas and Florida. Better HS football, more participation in football?
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Paul

I tend to agree with some that think that FL has a higher number of underdeveloped hi school fb athletes compared to TX overdeveloped ones.  LA is similar to FL but with fewer raw talent.

Paul


GoHogzzGo

I wish they included total high school football players in these numbers per state. Would be willing to bet these states have the highest or among the highest of HS football participation rates.
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hawgdavis

Don't remember where I read an article about UM recruiting but the article said that there are 250 5-6 A high schools with in 50 miles of campus. It boils down to the genetics , population, and combine that with the weather and you have a recipe for top level talent. There are other contributing factors that go back a  many many years that have a lot to do with it as well that I read in another article that talks about the south in general and about the genetics in these regions. On thing in particular that I remember in that article was that many of the rural parts of like Georgia a lot of kids several years back that you either play football or you load pulp wood and when football season is over you will load pulp wood. At that time it was all loaded by hand and these kids got really big and really strong but I also took from that that it still had a lot to do with the gene pool as well.  Lincoln Co. GA comes to mind when I think of this. They are a single A school that not to many years ago used to play and beat the Big boys in the state regardless of classification and the have won almost as many titles as Valdosta witch has won if memory serves me 23 to date. Valdosta is in an agricultural region thus the physical aspect comes in again and I think they also pulpwooded down there as well judging by all the paper mills in the south Ga. northern Florida area. It took big strong people to work in these industries once upon a time because it was such physical work and people were found that could handle it thus the genetics.
It really is that simple. Look at the regions that produce these big strong athletes across the south they are largely agricultural and material manufacturing areas with warmer weather so the kids can get out and play sports most of the year and this is what it produces and Florida is no exception to any of this but even warmer weather plus they have the shipping/freight industry that was also mostly loaded by hand at one time.

Huds_HawgTide

Floridas talent is off the charts
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jgphillips3

On a per capita basis, Florida is better than Texas and California.  All three states have mild climates that allow for longer outdoor sport seasons.  Look at this list of other States listed on Per Capita blue chip players.  Louisiana is the winner among States and shows why it is so vital to our modern day recruiting, along with East Texas.  The link is provided but the numbers are basically 1) population, 2) number of blue chip players from 2013-2017 and 3) the per capita production level.

Louisiana 4,681,666 74 1.58
Georgia 10,310,371 141 1.37
Mississippi 2,988,726 38 1.27
Alabama 4,863,300 59 1.21
Florida 20,612,439 227 1.10
Texas 27,862,596 229 0.82
Hawaii 1,428,557 10 0.70
Ohio 11,614,373 79 0.68
Virginia 8,411,808 57 0.68
Tennessee 6,651,194 44 0.66
Maryland 6,016,447 36 0.60
South Carolina 4,961,119 28 0.56
Oklahoma 3,923,561 20 0.51
California 39,250,017 199 0.51
North Carolina 10,146,788 51 0.50
Arkansas 2,988,248 15 0.50
Utah 3,051,217 14 0.46
New Jersey 8,944,469 41 0.46
Nevada 2,940,058 13 0.44
Indiana 6,633,053 24 0.36
Michigan 9,928,300 35 0.35
Pennsylvania 12,784,227 44 0.34
Arizona 6,931,071 23 0.33
Illinois 12,801,539 37 0.29
Washington 7,288,000 18 0.25
Oregon 4,093,465 10 0.24
Iowa 3,134,693 7 0.22
Delaware 952,065 2 0.21
Kansas 2,907,289 6 0.21
Kentucky 4,436,974 9 0.20
Missouri 6,093,000 12 0.20
Colorado 5,540,545 10 0.18
South Dakota 865,454 1 0.12
Connecticut 3,576,452 4 0.11
Minnesota 5,519,952 6 0.11
Nebraska 1,907,116 2 0.10
Wisconsin 5,778,708 6 0.10
New Mexico 2,081,015 2 0.10
Idaho 1,683,140 1 0.06
New York 19,745,289 6 0.03
Massachusetts 6,811,779 2 0.03
Alaska 741,894 0 0.00
Maine 1,331,479 0 0.00
Montana 1,042,520 0 0.00
New Hampshire 1,334,795 0 0.00
North Dakota 757,952 0 0.00
Rhode Island 1,056,426 0 0.00
Vermont 624,594 0 0.00
West Virginia 1,831,102 0 0.00
Wyoming 585,501 0 0.00

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/1/30/14375298/college-football-recruiting-state-rankings-population-capita

Adam Stokes

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on February 22, 2017, 12:56:21 pm
Florida, Georgia and Texas had about 3 million African-American populations in the 2010 census.

This. Both TX and FL have around 3.5 million blacks. NY is number one, makes you wonder why they don't get more football talent. NY only has three 4+-stars for 2018, while TX has 42 and FL has 52. Can't be that many kids only playing basketball up there.

bennyl08

Quote from: Adam Stokes on February 22, 2017, 11:47:11 pm
This. Both TX and FL have around 3.5 million blacks. NY is number one, makes you wonder why they don't get more football talent. NY only has three 4+-stars for 2018, while TX has 42 and FL has 52. Can't be that many kids only playing basketball up there.

Football is expensive, requires large fields to play on and lots of pads. Basketball requires less space, almost no equipment. It's a lot easier to play basketball in the inner city than it is to play football. Combine that with the culture of what your fiends are playing and what you see older kids play while growing up and boom, more basketball than football players.

Similar thing in many other countries. Soccer is cheap to play. Ball, nets, maybe cleats if you can afford them. So, almost anybody in the world can learn to play soccer. Thus, it is the most popular sport in the world. Basketball is up there two, just behind cricket IIRC.
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
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passinghog

Florida talent is the best in the nation. Athletic, aggressive, strength, speed,, cocky, with the versatility to play any style of football unlike a lot of Texas kids.

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southarkhog06

Quote from: bennyl08 on February 23, 2017, 12:09:04 am
Football is expensive, requires large fields to play on and lots of pads. Basketball requires less space, almost no equipment. It's a lot easier to play basketball in the inner city than it is to play football. Combine that with the culture of what your fiends are playing and what you see older kids play while growing up and boom, more basketball than football players.

Similar thing in many other countries. Soccer is cheap to play. Ball, nets, maybe cleats if you can afford them. So, almost anybody in the world can learn to play soccer. Thus, it is the most popular sport in the world. Basketball is up there two, just behind cricket IIRC.
I think I read somewhere that Basketball had jumped above Cricket recently.

EDIT: My cursory Google search turned up nothing so I may be full of ish.

Arkansas Fan

It's why I'd rather see Arkansas hit Florida harder than Texas.

bennyl08

Quote from: Arkansas Fan on February 23, 2017, 06:15:32 pm
It's why I'd rather see Arkansas hit Florida harder than Texas.

Yeah. I mean, Texas has more total recruits there, and the recruits would be closer to home than those from Florida. More likely to have family from Arkansas or to have grown up as a kid in arkansas, etc... So yeah, ignoring Texas would be a crime. However, for the life of me, I'll never understand the mindset of "we absolutely have to recruit Texas, particularly at the expense of any other place."
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
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hawgdavis

Quote from: bennyl08 on February 23, 2017, 08:40:23 pm
Yeah. I mean, Texas has more total recruits there, and the recruits would be closer to home than those from Florida. More likely to have family from Arkansas or to have grown up as a kid in arkansas, etc... So yeah, ignoring Texas would be a crime. However, for the life of me, I'll never understand the mindset of "we absolutely have to recruit Texas, particularly at the expense of any other place."


Why not go hard into both. We have the budget to do so and time as well. Should probably hit Ga on the way to Florida as well

hawgdavis

Hit Ga,Florida,Louisiana,Texas,OK,and of course the home turf . Go hard into these states and if we pick up a good player from somewhere else that's  just icing on the cake

bennyl08

Quote from: hawgdavis on February 24, 2017, 11:35:56 am
Hit Ga,Florida,Louisiana,Texas,OK,and of course the home turf . Go hard into these states and if we pick up a good player from somewhere else that's  just icing on the cake

If you add in Mississippi then you literally just described what we already do.
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
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ErieHog

Quote from: hawgdavis on February 24, 2017, 11:29:44 am

Why not go hard into both. We have the budget to do so and time as well. Should probably hit Ga on the way to Florida as well


Resources are not infinite, especially *time*.    There are severe restrictions on when you can recruit, and how you can recruit-- and you can't be in both places at the same time, without it coming at the expense of something else.   There's no  'spend more, and we magically get more time';  there's a diminishing return curve beyond which investing more flexible resources like money doesn't produce a better result.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ricepig

Quote from: ErieHog on February 24, 2017, 04:52:23 pm

Resources are not infinite, especially *time*.    There are severe restrictions on when you can recruit, and how you can recruit-- and you can't be in both places at the same time, without it coming at the expense of something else.   There's no  'spend more, and we magically get more time';  there's a diminishing return curve beyond which investing more flexible resources like money doesn't produce a better result.

My question is, Tennessee, Auburn, and others spend in excess of 50-75% more than we do on their recruiting budget, on what? Are they sending more mail that goes in the round file, flying first class, seeing more kids, what?

ErieHog

Quote from: ricepig on February 24, 2017, 05:02:45 pm
My question is, Tennessee, Auburn, and others spend in excess of 50-75% more than we do on their recruiting budget, on what? Are they sending more mail that goes in the round file, flying first class, seeing more kids, what?

In raw terms, they do outspend us-- by about 800K a year.  We're still anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the SEC in recruiting budget in any given year. 

Travel is the top expense.   Getting to where the recruits are, for that face to face time, is expensive, particularly if you are a state like Tennessee that doesn't produce local talent--  4 of the Top 6 recruiting budgets are from states with population disadvantages-- Kentucky, Arkansas, and the two Tennessee schools.

If like Alabama or Auburn in some years, you have to constantly send people out nationally as well, as the flip side to doing it all with backyard talent that sees higher competitive recruiting pressure--   you get that one five star recruit out of New Jersey, but don't get another kid out of that state for 8 more years,   you end up travelling a lot to substitute for the groundwork relationships you might have with High Schools and programs within a couple of hours drive of your home stadium.  Likewise, the guy who lives half way between Bama and Auburn is more likely to be intensely recruited by both, meaning the lower budget recruiting expenditures  are somewhat less cost effective because of increased competitive pressure.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hawgdavis

Quote from: bennyl08 on February 24, 2017, 02:53:22 pm
If you add in Mississippi then you literally just described what we already do.

Hate to say it but other than panola county I would leave ms alone. And focus more on Ga, Fl and Tx. If we could pull like 4-5 a year out of Ga and the same from Fl where they play grown man football you would see us getting to 9-10 wins consistently. Players especially from Ga seem to have a more physical nature. I know this because I'm down here just north of Atlanta and watch tons of area football and go to the championships every year and as many of the kick off classics I can. I really like it when there is a classic where the best teams come from other power football states ( not like IMG ) but the programs that are regular high school football powers like Burns SC , Prattville Al, Crenshaw Cal., Booker T Washington out of Fl. Come in and go home after a butt kicking. Or teams like Valdosta going out to Utah and Buford going out to Texas or Ohio and taking on their best and beating the best they have. I have been watching this for years and the reason it happens is because most of the teams here line up and play power football and hit you in the mouth.

Just look at the NFL playoffs this year, there were more players from the state of Ga playing than from any where else. This is not new it's been trending that way for several years now

There may not be quite as many top players from Ga as there are from Fl, Tx,or Cal. But it's real close and the ones we do produce are better.

The 2018 and 2019 classes will produce more top talent than any of those states, 4-5 star guys that is just look it up on the recruiting sites Ga is loaded the next few years.

The Hogs need to be really hitting this state hard and I mean hard the next few years.

I don't know why but UGA really doesn't do a good job of keeping these kids home , and GT with what they run can't get but a couple a year so Tenner, Clemson , FSU, and Bama come in here an get a lot and we could get more than we do.

One of the top running backs for 2018 is in Athens at Clark Central and I'll bet he won't go to UGA. They rarely ever take kids or go after kids for some reason right in literally their own back yard. Deshawn Watson was only a 35 -40 min drive from campus and they really didn't go after him hardly at all. Blows my mind so I know we can get some of these kids just have to keep someone down here all the time.

bennyl08

I wouldn't look too far past Miss. Yeah, getting the 10th best player there wouldn't be anything special most years, but their top guys are typically as good as anybody else's.

Getting 4-5 each from GA and FLA would be great. Heck, I'd love to have 10 each from there if they are good enough. However, I think getting 4-5 from that region each and every year is going to realistically be a long shot.

Venturing a guess of a breakdown that I think would be reasonable accomplishment given our past history combined with what an increased emphasis can accomplish, I'd break things down like this

5 from Arkansas
7 from GA/FL
5 from Tx/Okla
3 from LA
1 from MS
1 from corn area
2 top JUCOs
1 transfer

Obviously, any given year, maybe we get one from Ari or Cali, maybe 3 JUCOs, somebody from Denmark, etc... Maybe there are only 3 SEC level kids in Arkansas 1 year, maybe 7 another.
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
damn I thought it was only a color, didn't realize it was named after a liqueur. leave it to benny to make me research the history of chartreuse

wildhogman

My brother lived outside Tampa in the plant city area for years. His Boys both played pee wee football and basketball.  The thing in football that stood out to me was the fact that not only did they rate kids by age, but also by size.  Meaning if your 10 years old but weight 190 pounds and over 6 feet tall already you wont be playing against other 10 year olds.  They will bump you up to a higher class.  My youngest nephew at age 11 was a lineman going against 14 year olds.  He got whipped a lot, but as he aged, with the experience he learned he was soon doing the whipping.
Tp me that's a big difference between florida kids and other states. A kid that matures physically at a younger age doesn't get to over power his piers. He has to learn techniques to over power kids his own size. And that was back in the 90's.  I have no idea how they do things now. But if it is something similar, you can understand how the "cream" would rise a little higher down there having to play against ids with more experience thus gaining more for yourself

hawgfan4life

Quote from: ErieHog on February 22, 2017, 01:04:06 pm
You think of Florida first, and Texas maybe 3rd, behind California as well.

Grinding poverty seems to produce a lot of talent-  it isn't unique to any race, or time, or place-- when you are broke and working for survival,  physical fitness matters a lot, and it becomes a way out for disadvantaged folks.



That is why Pulaski Academy, CAC, And Shiloh Christian produce so many college football players compared to other schools their size with a little more advantages economically. 

holeinthewall

Florida was tops long before IMG came around. Here is a stat for you. 3 of the top 12 RB in the NFL this year came from Dade county. Not just the state of Florida but from the same county.

bennyl08

Quote from: wildhogman on February 25, 2017, 10:16:07 am
My brother lived outside Tampa in the plant city area for years. His Boys both played pee wee football and basketball.  The thing in football that stood out to me was the fact that not only did they rate kids by age, but also by size.  Meaning if your 10 years old but weight 190 pounds and over 6 feet tall already you wont be playing against other 10 year olds.  They will bump you up to a higher class.  My youngest nephew at age 11 was a lineman going against 14 year olds.  He got whipped a lot, but as he aged, with the experience he learned he was soon doing the whipping.
Tp me that's a big difference between florida kids and other states. A kid that matures physically at a younger age doesn't get to over power his piers. He has to learn techniques to over power kids his own size. And that was back in the 90's.  I have no idea how they do things now. But if it is something similar, you can understand how the "cream" would rise a little higher down there having to play against ids with more experience thus gaining more for yourself

Much better to playing against experienced ids than to build you own ego. ;)
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
damn I thought it was only a color, didn't realize it was named after a liqueur. leave it to benny to make me research the history of chartreuse

ErieHog

Quote from: hawgfan4life on February 25, 2017, 10:47:26 am
That is why Pulaski Academy, CAC, And Shiloh Christian produce so many college football players compared to other schools their size with a little more advantages economically. 

Nah, that comes from not having geographic limitations.    There aren't a lot of schools that can match Shiloh for example, for resources-   and that translates into marginal college prospects, which is mostly what Shiloh send out.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

wildhogman

Quote from: bennyl08 on February 25, 2017, 04:39:48 pm
Much better to playing against experienced ids than to build you own ego. ;)
You missed the point of my post. It wasn't about older kids building ego against younger kids. It was about kids of equal size and/or talent facing eachother as opposed to dominating in a group they were head and shoulders above.  My nephew took the lessons her learned into the 12-14 age group and beat up on kids the same age because of the experienced he gained.  Just one thought as to why Florida has better talent.  They for sure have the athelets

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: wildhogman on February 25, 2017, 10:16:07 am
My brother lived outside Tampa in the plant city area for years. His Boys both played pee wee football and basketball.  The thing in football that stood out to me was the fact that not only did they rate kids by age, but also by size.  Meaning if your 10 years old but weight 190 pounds and over 6 feet tall already you wont be playing against other 10 year olds.  They will bump you up to a higher class.  My youngest nephew at age 11 was a lineman going against 14 year olds.  He got whipped a lot, but as he aged, with the experience he learned he was soon doing the whipping.
Tp me that's a big difference between florida kids and other states. A kid that matures physically at a younger age doesn't get to over power his piers. He has to learn techniques to over power kids his own size. And that was back in the 90's.  I have no idea how they do things now. But if it is something similar, you can understand how the "cream" would rise a little higher down there having to play against ids with more experience thus gaining more for yourself

It's the same way with junior football leagues around this area of northeastern Oklahoma for the most part. Of course that all goes away when you hit the 6th or 7th grade and reach middle school.
Go Hogs Go!

hawginbigd1

Quote from: wildhogman on February 25, 2017, 09:09:46 pm
You missed the point of my post. It wasn't about older kids building ego against younger kids. It was about kids of equal size and/or talent facing eachother as opposed to dominating in a group they were head and shoulders above.  My nephew took the lessons her learned into the 12-14 age group and beat up on kids the same age because of the experienced he gained.  Just one thought as to why Florida has better talent.  They for sure have the athelets
Nope you missed the point, LOL Benny was making a Freudian reference to your missing K in the word kids leaving ids. The Id v ego!

Inhogswetrust

Obviously the OP is not familiar with football in Florida or recruiting in general.
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bennyl08

Quote from: hawginbigd1 on February 26, 2017, 11:49:30 am
Nope you missed the point, LOL Benny was making a Freudian reference to your missing K in the word kids leaving ids. The Id v ego!

Yeah, like when you say one thing but really mean your mother.
Quote from: PorkSoda on May 05, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
damn I thought it was only a color, didn't realize it was named after a liqueur. leave it to benny to make me research the history of chartreuse

holeinthewall

Quote from: wildhogman on February 25, 2017, 10:16:07 am
My brother lived outside Tampa in the plant city area for years. His Boys both played pee wee football and basketball.  The thing in football that stood out to me was the fact that not only did they rate kids by age, but also by size.  Meaning if your 10 years old but weight 190 pounds and over 6 feet tall already you wont be playing against other 10 year olds.  They will bump you up to a higher class.  My youngest nephew at age 11 was a lineman going against 14 year olds.  He got whipped a lot, but as he aged, with the experience he learned he was soon doing the whipping.
Tp me that's a big difference between florida kids and other states. A kid that matures physically at a younger age doesn't get to over power his piers. He has to learn techniques to over power kids his own size. And that was back in the 90's.  I have no idea how they do things now. But if it is something similar, you can understand how the "cream" would rise a little higher down there having to play against ids with more experience thus gaining more for yourself

They would also have kids 13 years old fasting on Friday and Saturday morning to make weight then play in the heat.  You think that is safe? That weight based playing is stupid.   I saw kids lose 6 pounds to make weight in a day. Wearing crap to sweat out the weight.  Then loading up after weigh in with carbs and Gatorade.   Pop Warner is the worst football league I have ever seen.

Cinco de Hogo

What I would like to see is a comparison of success on the college level and pro level.  I'm not real interested in which state produces the quantity I'm more interested in quality and I believe the southeastern states just produce the best per capita.  In other words Florida player better than Texican player.

bennyl08

Updated this post to show state-pop-blue chip-bc per cap (as before) - total NFL at the start of the 2016 season - NFL per capita. What would also be interesting is if somebody could put out an average D1 signees per year so that one can determine the % of signees that make it to the NFL.

Louisiana 4,681,666 74 1.58  63 1.35
Georgia 10,310,371 141 1.37  97 0.94
Mississippi 2,988,726 38 1.27 27 0.90
Alabama 4,863,300 59 1.21 60 1.23
Florida 20,612,439 227 1.10 193 0.94
Texas 27,862,596 229 0.82  160 0.57
Hawaii 1,428,557 10 0.70 10 0.7
Ohio 11,614,373 79 0.68 80 0.69
Virginia 8,411,808 57 0.68 43 0.51
Tennessee 6,651,194 44 0.66 34 0.34
Maryland 6,016,447 36 0.60  28 0.47
South Carolina 4,961,119 28 0.56 48 0.97
Oklahoma 3,923,561 20 0.51 16 0.41
California 39,250,017 199 0.51 187 0.48
North Carolina 10,146,788 51 0.50 42 0.41
Arkansas 2,988,248 15 0.50 12 0.40
Utah 3,051,217 14 0.46 6 0.20
New Jersey 8,944,469 41 0.46 50 0.56
Nevada 2,940,058 13 0.44 9 0.31
Indiana 6,633,053 24 0.36 16 0.24
Michigan 9,928,300 35 0.35 46 0.46
Pennsylvania 12,784,227 44 0.34 66 0.52
Arizona 6,931,071 23 0.33 24 0.35
Illinois 12,801,539 37 0.29 38 0.30
Washington 7,288,000 18 0.25 2 0.03
Oregon 4,093,465 10 0.24 12 0.3
Iowa 3,134,693 7 0.22 12 0.38
Delaware 952,065 2 0.21 7 0.74
Kansas 2,907,289 6 0.21 15 0.52
Kentucky 4,436,974 9 0.20 13 0.29
Missouri 6,093,000 12 0.20  27 0.44
Colorado 5,540,545 10 0.18 15 0.27
South Dakota 865,454 1 0.12  3 0.36
Connecticut 3,576,452 4 0.11 14 0.39
Minnesota 5,519,952 6 0.11 20 0.36
Nebraska 1,907,116 2 0.10 14 0.7
Wisconsin 5,778,708 6 0.10 27 0.47
New Mexico 2,081,015 2 0.10 3 0.15
Idaho 1,683,140 1 0.06 6 0.36
New York 19,745,289 6 0.03  36 0.18
Massachusetts 6,811,779 2 0.03 8 0.12
Alaska 741,894 0 0.00 0 0
Maine 1,331,479 0 0.00 0 0
Montana 1,042,520 0 0.00 5 0.48
New Hampshire 1,334,795 0 0.00 2 0.15
North Dakota 757,952 0 0.00  3 0.40
Rhode Island 1,056,426 0 0.00 1 0.094
Vermont 624,594 0 0.00 0 0
West Virginia 1,831,102 0 0.00 3 0.16
Wyoming 585,501 0 0.00 2 0.34
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Quote from: colbs on February 22, 2017, 12:14:47 pm
Yeah I think it does produce more than Texas.  There is 3 programs within the state that all have very storied programs and get he majority of their players from within the state.  Can't think of any state like that. 
California and Texas come to mind...
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