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Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer

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36 (56.3%)
Probably
17 (26.6%)
Probably not
5 (7.8%)
No
6 (9.4%)

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1CavHog

November 10, 2008, 10:50:40 pm
Has he done enough to get to Canton or is the verdict still out?

171 Career TD's, 26000+ yards passing, 2 NFL MVP's, 1 SB ring and MVP.

1CavHog

November 10, 2008, 10:51:32 pm #1
I think he needs one more good season to put him over 200 TD's and 30000 career passing yards. I think it will happen though as productive as he is being this year.
 

DiscombobulatoryHOG

November 10, 2008, 11:36:23 pm #2
Easily.  At his best, Warner is easily one of the 10 best QB's of all time.  The numbers speak for themselves.  HOF

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 05:40:29 am #3
Not even remotely close.

Does anyone expect Brad Johnson to be in the Hall?  His numbers are better, for a career-- with the same number of Super Bowl wins (and many more playoff wins in his career).

If you don't have multiple championships, the starting point for a discussion of Hall candidacy realistically starts at about 38,000 yards 225 TDs.




No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

IronHog

November 11, 2008, 05:43:05 am #4
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2008, 05:40:29 am
Not even remotely close.

Does anyone expect Brad Johnson to be in the Hall?  His numbers are better, for a career-- with the same number of Super Bowl wins (and many more playoff wins in his career).

If you don't have multiple championships, the starting point for a discussion of Hall candidacy realistically starts at about 38,000 yards 225 TDs.






Yea, but Brad Johnson was not the best QB EVER for a 2-3 year span.

When KW was doing his thing in StL he was simply amazing before the injuries caught up to him.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 05:51:15 am #5 Last Edit: November 11, 2008, 05:54:18 am by ErieHog
Quote from: IronHog on November 11, 2008, 05:43:05 am
Yea, but Brad Johnson was not the best QB EVER for a 2-3 year span.

When KW was doing his thing in StL he was simply amazing before the injuries caught up to him.

Sorry, but No.

Warner's best years were at the top of the league-- but we've seen 3 consecutive MVPs by Favre, back-to-back by Manning,  Brady following up Super Bowl wins with a perfect season and the obliteration of the TD record, etc.     It can easily be contested as the 'Best QB Evar' stretch-- and that's just in the last decade.

Warner is a prime candidate for the Hall of Very Good.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

IronHog

November 11, 2008, 06:11:56 am #6
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2008, 05:51:15 am
Sorry, but No.

Warner's best years were at the top of the league-- but we've seen 3 consecutive MVPs by Favre, back-to-back by Manning,  Brady following up Super Bowl wins with a perfect season and the obliteration of the TD record, etc.     It can easily be contested as the 'Best QB Evar' stretch-- and that's just in the last decade.

Warner is a prime candidate for the Hall of Very Good.

Put in film of the man slinging the ball in his prime and he will be extremely impressive.

I'd put Farve in that good but not great category.  He won on a great team.  Then spent the rest of his career trying to make impossible throws that either got him on Sportscenter or his team beat.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 06:19:11 am #7
Quote from: IronHog on November 11, 2008, 06:11:56 am
Put in film of the man slinging the ball in his prime and he will be extremely impressive.

I'd put Farve in that good but not great category.  He won on a great team.  Then spent the rest of his career trying to make impossible throws that either got him on Sportscenter or his team beat.

I do believe Favre is overrated-- no argument there. I think he's been given extremely favorable press for so long that his deterioration in performance is being glossed over.

Favre gets extra points over Warner, though, for a few items:  Big NFL Records?  Check.  *Multiple*  conference championships and a superior playoff resume? Check.   NFL Player's Reputation?  Yes, even if attributable to a drug addiction.

He also has: more MVPs, more Super Bowl appearances, a better Super Bowl performance record, etc.

Throw in that he's thrown for nearly 3x the yardage, and there's clear separation between the two-- and if Favre is overrated,  Warner belongs nowhere near Canton.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 06:28:08 am #8
On a different note, the thing that I *really* think undermines Warner's case is longevity.

If you are in the league 10 years, you have to be phenomenal.  If you are in the league 15 years, you can make it by being a very good QB who is a big winner.   If you are in the league 20 years, you can be a good QB, with a few big wins and some big NFL-record type stats.

Warner's been in the league a decade, but has been a feature player far less than that.  He's played only 2 complete seasons, and only has *3* seasons with 12 or more games played (6 of 10 or more).

That really, really hurts his resume.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

IronHog

November 11, 2008, 06:31:35 am #9
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2008, 06:28:08 am
On a different note, the thing that I *really* think undermines Warner's case is longevity.

If you are in the league 10 years, you have to be phenomenal.  If you are in the league 15 years, you can make it by being a very good QB who is a big winner.   If you are in the league 20 years, you can be a good QB, with a few big wins and some big NFL-record type stats.

Warner's been in the league a decade, but has been a feature player far less than that.  He's played only 2 complete seasons, and only has *3* seasons with 12 or more games played (6 of 10 or more).

That really, really hurts his resume.



I agree.

Warner's case will be built on 3 seasons.


However, he was REALLY good in those 3 seasons.  Warner's career is an interesting story and I think he makes it to the Hall just based on how he got where he is coupled with his overall success at an older age.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 06:36:25 am #10
Quote from: IronHog on November 11, 2008, 06:31:35 am
I agree.

Warner's case will be built on 3 seasons.


However, he was REALLY good in those 3 seasons.  Warner's career is an interesting story and I think he makes it to the Hall just based on how he got where he is coupled with his overall success at an older age.

The problem being, which 3? 

Right now, his 3 best statistical seasons are 1999, 2001....and 2007.

He's only thrown for 30 TDs or more twice-- another big black mark for a HOF QB with short-term longevity.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

trphog

November 11, 2008, 07:31:06 am #11
If he wins the NFL MVP this year, he will be voted in. No one has ever won 3 NFL MVP awards and not got into the Hall

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 08:41:11 am #12
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 07:31:06 am
If he wins the NFL MVP this year, he will be voted in. No one has ever won 3 NFL MVP awards and not got into the Hall


He's a far cry from the MVP this year; he's struggling mightily against the likes of the 49ers.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

MS_HogFan

November 11, 2008, 09:19:22 am #13
What team do you thinks he goes in with?
Rams 14,500 yards 102 TDs 2 MVPs
He will be close to matching those #s with the Cardinals if he plays on more year. He is putting up MVP #s this year.
That is what hurts him in my opinion.
Farve = Packers
Aikman = Cowboys
Montana = 49ers...etc..etc..etc

Warmer = ?
SOOIE

1CavHog

November 11, 2008, 09:43:58 am #14
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 07:31:06 am
If he wins the NFL MVP this year, he will be voted in. No one has ever won 3 NFL MVP awards and not got into the Hall

He threw for over 300 yards and 3 TD and 0 INT last night. Another season of game like that and he's in.

trphog

November 11, 2008, 11:15:05 am #15
Yeah I don't know what game he was watching to have made that statement. He needs to go read the box score.

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 01:01:16 pm #16
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 11:15:05 am
Yeah I don't know what game he was watching to have made that statement. He needs to go read the box score.

29-24 against the worst team in the NFC.    That's everything that needs to be said.

A HOF QB wouldn't need to come back in the 4th quarter against a team that bad.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The Marmot

November 11, 2008, 03:12:50 pm #17 Last Edit: November 11, 2008, 03:48:02 pm by The Marmot
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2008, 08:41:11 am

He's a far cry from the MVP this year; he's struggling mightily against the likes of the 49ers.



FWIW, many of the pundits who vote on such things have him as a top 3 MVP candidate right now.
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trphog

November 11, 2008, 03:19:39 pm #18
You are showing how truly ignorant you are with every post. Put down the bottle, its still the afternoon.

So short of rally his team back to win, what he do wrong last night? He pretty much was the reason they won. Their D was the one that allowed them to get behind like that.

Hall of Fame QB's are never suppose to be behind in a game? That's idiotic. HOF QB's, like Warner are the ones that keep their teams from losing those type of games.

Furthermore, Cincinatti and Detroit are worse than San Francisco.

Boom! Outta here.

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 03:33:43 pm #19
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 03:19:39 pm
You are showing how truly ignorant you are with every post. Put down the bottle, its still the afternoon.

So short of rally his team back to win, what he do wrong last night? He pretty much was the reason they won. Their D was the one that allowed them to get behind like that.

Hall of Fame QB's are never suppose to be behind in a game? That's idiotic. HOF QB's, like Warner are the ones that keep their teams from losing those type of games.

Furthermore, Cincinatti and Detroit are worse than San Francisco.

Boom! Outta here.

Ignorant? Jesus-- at least I can read what someone posts, and reply cogently to what was said, rather than what one chose to read into it.

No one said HOF QBs are never down to bad teams; what was said was that trailing a terrible SF team for most of 4 quarters something that was eminently unforgivable, especially considering the number of times he simply missed blown coverages.

  Twice Bolden had free releases against zero coverage,with the safety jumping a run fake.  Both times Warner chucked it to Hightower (once complete, once incomplete).   Once, Fitzgerald blew by man coverage with a double move, with no safety help--- and Warner chucked it short to Urban.

Warner's good;  he's having a good year, in a year where much of the league is down-- but he's not a HOF'er.   His mistakes last night are the kind that the elite don't make. 
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

trphog

November 11, 2008, 03:53:25 pm #20
Yeah he missed a lot last night; 32-42 for 328 yards and 3 TD's.

His passer rating for the SEASON is 106. That's not a good year. That's a great year.

If you can not read my posts, it only further shows how incoherent you are sir.

lonehog

November 11, 2008, 04:23:18 pm #21
Hall of Fame.... Kurt Warner..... doesn't go together for me, sorry

irishman

November 11, 2008, 04:33:17 pm #22
If he can get back to anything close to his old form when he was with the Rams (he looked like that last night) and do that for another year or so then I see no reason why he wouldn't get in. May not have the talent of some of the great quarterbacks but he has a better mind than most when it comes to picking apart a defenses weaknesses. The man can read some coverages

ErieHog

November 11, 2008, 05:07:43 pm #23
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 03:53:25 pm
Yeah he missed a lot last night; 32-42 for 328 yards and 3 TD's.

His passer rating for the SEASON is 106. That's not a good year. That's a great year.

If you can not read my posts, it only further shows how incoherent you are sir.

There's a difference between completing a pass, and getting it right.   Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady because he hits 70% of his passes.  He's Tom Brady  because he gets the big play in the key moment.

Put down your Warner fan pipe, and be objective.   Warner's having a good year; he needs another 5 of them to enter into the HOF conversation.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Zen_Hog

November 11, 2008, 08:28:36 pm #24
He's not first ballot, but eventually I think he'll make it. MVP caliber season this year.

1CavHog

November 16, 2008, 05:21:01 pm #25
Middle of the 3rd Quarter here are his numbers today:

27-36 349 yards 1 TD.

It won't take too many games like this to have him keep moving up the all time charts.

RunnerHog

November 16, 2008, 05:59:32 pm #26
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2008, 05:40:29 am
Not even remotely close.

Does anyone expect Brad Johnson to be in the Hall?  His numbers are better, for a career-- with the same number of Super Bowl wins (and many more playoff wins in his career).

If you don't have multiple championships, the starting point for a discussion of Hall candidacy realistically starts at about 38,000 yards 225 TDs.

How many MVP's has Brad Johnson won?  How many super bowls has he been to? How many Super Bowl MVp's? 

Kurt Warner is a first ballot hall of famer. 

RunnerHog

November 16, 2008, 06:01:01 pm #27
Quote from: trphog on November 11, 2008, 03:19:39 pm
You are showing how truly ignorant you are with every post. Put down the bottle, its still the afternoon.

So short of rally his team back to win, what he do wrong last night? He pretty much was the reason they won. Their D was the one that allowed them to get behind like that.

Hall of Fame QB's are never suppose to be behind in a game? That's idiotic. HOF QB's, like Warner are the ones that keep their teams from losing those type of games.

Furthermore, Cincinatti and Detroit are worse than San Francisco.

Boom! Outta here.

Hey don't tell Ernie he's ignorant. He doesn't know and he supplies us all with laughter.

Captain Hogthrob

November 16, 2008, 06:16:19 pm #28 Last Edit: November 16, 2008, 07:17:25 pm by speedy_gismo
I don't think Warner has the consistency over his career to make the HOF. The story is not all written yet but I don't think he's done enough to this point.
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
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RunnerHog

November 16, 2008, 06:42:11 pm #29
Compare Warner with a guy say like Roger Staubach.

Warner is better in every category.

http://www.nfl.com/players/kurtwarner/careerstats?id=WAR492511

http://www.nfl.com/players/rogerstaubach/profile?id=STA762496

1CavHog

November 16, 2008, 07:16:48 pm #30
If Warner wins the MVP this year it will be his third one.

1CavHog

January 18, 2009, 03:36:12 pm #31
Looks like the Cards are going to the Super Bowl. Kurt Warner continues to pad his HOF resume.

ErieHog

January 18, 2009, 05:38:37 pm #32
Quote from: 1CavHog on January 18, 2009, 03:36:12 pm
Looks like the Cards are going to the Super Bowl. Kurt Warner continues to pad his HOF resume.

Warner continues to make an effort to *get* to the HOF;  today was a huge step forward, especially if he can win another Super Bowl (putting him indisputably in the Hall), or if he plays another 3 years with some reasonable level of productivity.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TruthHog

January 18, 2009, 07:14:25 pm #33
someone who can take the freakin' cardinals to the super bowl is a hall of famer in my book
Calmer than you are.

DeltaBoy

January 19, 2009, 09:18:42 am #34
If he wins the SB in 2 weeks then yes he is in for sure  He would be the only QB to lead two teams to a SB victory.

If not he is still probally a HOF pick. He is a class act.
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Root66

January 19, 2009, 01:09:46 pm #35
Absolutely. Without question. Three Super Bowls. Won the first. Got screwed out of the second. And took a Cardinal team to the championship game (super bowl) for the first time in 61 years.

And Mike Leinert thought he hit a goldmine being drafted by Arizona.

The Marmot

January 19, 2009, 01:13:21 pm #36
Quote from: Root66 on January 19, 2009, 01:09:46 pm
Absolutely. Without question. Three Super Bowls. Won the first. Got screwed out of the second. And took a Cardinal team to the championship game (super bowl) for the first time in 61 years.

And Mike Matt Leinert thought he hit a goldmine being drafted by Arizona.

Fixed that for ya.

And would say he did hit a goldmine. He gets paid millions of dollars to attend hot tub parties and hang out on the sidelines.  :)
I was booooorn to love you... I was booooorn to lick your face... I was booooorn to rub you... but you were born to rub me first - Ty Webb

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2014, 06:59:50 pm
The fact that you can type the words doesn't stop the thought behind those words from being horseshit.

GO HOGS!!!!!!!

Root66

January 19, 2009, 01:18:05 pm #37
Quote from: The Marmot on January 19, 2009, 01:13:21 pm
Fixed that for ya.

And would say he did hit a goldmine. He gets paid millions of dollars to attend hot tub parties and hang out on the sidelines.  :)

How soon I forget. AND, you got that right.

hog.goblin

January 19, 2009, 06:05:35 pm #38
Win or lose the SB he is most likely in the HOF.  If he stays on this team for another 2 - 3 years and stays healthy he will be a lock.

steelhog66

February 02, 2009, 04:52:04 pm #39
Taking the Cardinals to the Super Bowl has to count for something.

ErieHog

February 02, 2009, 04:54:55 pm #40
Quote from: steelhog66 on February 02, 2009, 04:52:04 pm
Taking the Cardinals to the Super Bowl has to count for something.

I think he gets much more credit for what he did *in* the Super Bowl, than for getting the Cardinals there.

He's a HOF'er now-- just not likely on the first few ballots (and depending on when he retires, possibly only by the Veteran's Committee).
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

steelhog66

February 02, 2009, 05:02:24 pm #41
I agree. I do believe that taking a team that has been as bad as this one for so long to the Super Bowl is an accomplishment all by itself.
Quote from: ErieHog on February 02, 2009, 04:54:55 pm
I think he gets much more credit for what he did *in* the Super Bowl, than for getting the Cardinals there.

He's a HOF'er now-- just not likely on the first few ballots (and depending on when he retires, possibly only by the Veteran's Committee).

gohogsgo1234

February 02, 2009, 06:12:01 pm #42
I have always thought he was over rated.  I am now on his side.   I think he deserves to be in Canton.... I think he is better than Payton Manning!!!!!!!!!  Thats a whole different topic...

IronHog

February 02, 2009, 11:05:52 pm #43
Stat of the Week

John Elway played in five Super Bowls. Joe Montana played in four. Kurt Warner has played in three -- and has thrown for more yards than both Montana and Elway.
In 12 quarters, Warner has passed for 1,156 yards, the most in Super Bowl history. In 16 quarters, Montana threw for 1,142. In 20 quarters, Elway threw for 1,128.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/02/superbowl/3.html


That'll pretty much put him in the HOF...............
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

irishman

February 03, 2009, 08:23:30 am #44
Gotta say I think he's earned it. If he has even one more year like this one (haven't heard of him retiring or anything) then I don't think there is even a question

Milton

February 03, 2009, 03:36:19 pm #45
I'm saying the performances he has had in the superbowl have just pushed him over the HOF line and he's goin in
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