Ripping Bielema and Long

[Hog Solo]

This was so stupid. Not because of the ad, but the timing. It's the wrong time of year. If you care about the program, do the ad in the spring. Any other time would be seen as an attempt to sabotage the program.

You're wrong.  Literally no one cares about some yokel illustrating this crap in bad fashion.  As a darksider he's not helping the cause at all.

[tophawg19]

next question , is he on the foundations list

[Pig in the Pokey]

next question , is he on the foundations list

the real question is, is he still on burt's twitter?

[Jek Tono Porkins]

Such a stupid argument. The market rate for coaches is high. Bielema makes a lot of money relative to the rest of us, true, but he is the 8th-highest paid head football coach in the SEC. Not exactly underperforming when it comes to his salary. Mike Anderson is higher on that list when it comes to SEC basketball coaches, but not long ago we were second in the SEC. Has he underperformed when it comes to what we're paying him? Perhaps. But it's hard to make that call.

Criticize Bielema all you want for routinely pissing away 4th quarter leads and criticize Mike for losing games he shouldn't. That's fair. But to bring their salary into question is dumb.

[Athog]

An ad was taken out in Sunday's Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Total troll aimed at hurting U of A sports. I think most fans will see
through this poor attempt. Fake all the way!

[Sivad]

next question , is he on the foundations list

More likely a member of the Ole Miss version - the M Club.

[factchecker]

Total troll aimed at hurting U of A sports. I think most fans will see
through this poor attempt. Fake all the way!

So the anger should then be aimed at the demozette rather than a malcontent fan.

Maybe somebody needs to take out an ad demanding they fire Wally Hall.  He's overpaid if he makes more than $1.00 an hour.

[Hog Solo]

So the anger should then be aimed at the demozette rather than a malcontent fan.

Maybe somebody needs to take out an ad demanding they fire Wally Hall.  He's overpaid if he makes more than $1.00 an hour.

Seems like opinion to me.

Thank god you are in charge of fact checking. 

[redbarn]

The guy has three degrees and the first two are from Ole Miss.  He shows no ties to the U of A.  Pretty easy to figure out what he was doing right close to the end of recruiting.

[plumbhog]

What is worse is that we have a thread on it on Hogville and nobody seems to care if recruits, families of recruits, etc have access to it on a RAZORBACK site.  Incredible that the mods haven't removed this thread.  I don't care if you want CBB to stay or not, letting crap like this stay on the main message board does NOTHING to help this program,  does NOTHING to get CBB removed, and only gives our competition ammunition right before signing day to try and pick off recruits.  Unbelievable what this board has become and what this board tolerates to remain posted right before NSD.

So your saying it was Lanny?

[onebadrubi]

The guy has three degrees and the first two are from Ole Miss.  He shows no ties to the U of A.  Pretty easy to figure out what he was doing right close to the end of recruiting.

We all knew this was a high possibility. But some think it's conspiracy like the moon landings being In Hollywood?

[Hog Solo]

So your saying it was Lanny?

No recruit gives a crap about what old men type on a message board.  Get it through your skulls, the words we type here are sand in the Sahara.  As soon as we type them they get reclaimed immediately through other pieces of noise.

[NotSoFastMyFriend]

The guy has three degrees and the first two are from Ole Miss.  He shows no ties to the U of A.  Pretty easy to figure out what he was doing right close to the end of recruiting.

And on the same weekend the Hogs are trying to close on Chevin Calloway, a 4* DB who is down to Arkansas and Ole Miss. Say it ain't so.

[PorkRinds]

Not sure if same person but

https://www.bakerdonelson.com/James-R-Hall-Jr

Bruh.  Bleach those teeth or something.

[Ironhawg]

The guy has three degrees and the first two are from Ole Miss.  He shows no ties to the U of A.  Pretty easy to figure out what he was doing right close to the end of recruiting.

It doesn't seem like it would take much investigation to out this guy.  I'd be interested to see what he has to say if someone like, oh I don't know, Jim Harris, calls him up and asks him stuff like if he is a Razorback Foundation member?

[streitenberger]

Most embarrassing (overall) fan base in the SEC

[greenie]

That news paper ad reminds me of all the protests we've been having the last few days.  Complaining about nonsense.

[Al Boarland]

Such a stupid argument. The market rate for coaches is high. Bielema makes a lot of money relative to the rest of us, true, but he is the 8th-highest paid head football coach in the SEC. Not exactly underperforming when it comes to his salary. Mike Anderson is higher on that list when it comes to SEC basketball coaches, but not long ago we were second in the SEC. Has he underperformed when it comes to what we're paying him? Perhaps. But it's hard to make that call.

Criticize Bielema all you want for routinely pissing away 4th quarter leads and criticize Mike for losing games he shouldn't. That's fair. But to bring their salary into question is dumb.

Are you suggesting his salary is based on performance? Do you think if he were the highest paid coach he would win more games?

[Inhogswetrust]

Not sure if same person but

https://www.bakerdonelson.com/James-R-Hall-Jr

Why would an old miss grad like him care about out putting a hatchet piece about UA athletics in the paper.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Most embarrassing (overall) fan base in the SEC

Why are you embarassed? Because some goofball from Memphis bought an ad in the Dem-Gazette that, even if read, most will think is idiotic? I read the newspaper every day. But I didn't even notice it until someone posted it on here. Nobody cares.

[DeltaBoy]

The Ghost of 2006 are rattling their chains.

[Hogwild]

Remember him? The assistant professor in agriculture science department, arrested for cursing at CBB after the Bama game.




according to post on another mb, he is a colleague of D. James Rogers, a staff member in the Crop and Soil Science department.

[DC HOGFAN]

Why are you embarassed? Because some goofball from Memphis bought an ad in the Dem-Gazette that, even if read, most will think is idiotic? I read the newspaper every day. But I didn't even notice it until someone posted it on here. Nobody cares.

BOOM! that's exactly right.

[GuvHog]

The Ghost of 2006 are rattling their chains.

No truer statement has ever been made. The difference though, is some of those who are attacking this guy actually praised the people who did this very thing to Hooty back then.

[Biggus Piggus]

according to post on another mb, he is a colleague of D. James Rogers, a staff member in the Crop and Soil Science department.

If an employee of the university wrote that, he should be fired. No university employee should be that stupid.

Beware of anyone who uses "random quotation marks" and Strange Capitalization in sentences.

[hawganatic]

The original ad was just a swing ad a miss, and a very lazy effort by the guy that wrote it.  You can't point to the 8 mill in salaries and talk about out of control  spending without putting that into the context of what other schools spend on the three positions.

I suspect that the 8 mill he wants to point too is in line with our on field results, when it is compared to the total for the three positions at the other SEC schools.

[hawganatic]

Are you suggesting his salary is based on performance? Do you think if he were the highest paid coach he would win more games?

The ad that was in the paper states, more or less, that spending in the department is out of control and the three he pointed too are overpaid when you look at their performance.

This poster isn't suggesting his salary is performance based.  He's making the point that if you want a salary/performance analysis like the guy who wrote the ad seems to want to do, you have to look at other schools and make the comparison.  When you do that, what these guys are making is about in line with what they are producing.

Not an excuse for their coaching records, just a response to the idiotic ad and the assertion that spending is out of control.

[Redhogs]

The original ad was just a swing ad a miss, and a very lazy effort by the guy that wrote it.  You can't point to the 8 mill in salaries and talk about out of control  spending without putting that into the context of what other schools spend on the three positions.

I suspect that the 8 mill he wants to point too is in line with our on field results, when it is compared to the total for the three positions at the other SEC schools.

Several of which are on the hot seat for poor or mediocre records, including Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze.

[hawganatic]

Several of which are on the hot seat for poor or mediocre records, including Gus, Sumlin, and Freeze.

Which has nothing to do with what I posted or the ad that was put in the paper.  The ad points to out of control spending, and when you look at other schools, our spending is about on par with what the market is doing.

The ad was a swing and a miss at running our athletic program down, as was your post pointing at other coaching records, in the context of this discussion.

[Redhogs]

Which has nothing to do with what I posted or the ad that was put in the paper.  The ad points to out of control spending, and when you look at other schools, our spending is about on par with what the market is doing.

The ad was a swing and a miss at running our athletic program down, as was your post pointing at other coaching records, in the context of this discussion.

Which is a fact jack...whether you like it or not. You don't get to be the thought police, got it.

[HotlantaHog]

I think it is great that people are buying newspaper ads as a way to try to influence public opinion. Most newspaper readers are older and more affluent than the average person, so you are reaching a decent market (and not recruits). Newspapers need all the help they can get.

To those who disagree, buy your own ad thanking CBB, CMA and JL for their service.

[hogsanity]

Are any coaches, outside of maybe Saban, Meyer, Dabo & Harbaugh, worth what they are getting paid in football. Are any basketball coaches worth what they are getting paid?

[HotlantaHog]

Are any coaches, outside of maybe Saban, Meyer, Dabo & Harbaugh, worth what they are getting paid in football. Are any basketball coaches worth what they are getting paid?

Coach K at Duke?

[hogsanity]

Coach K at Duke?

OK, one out 320+ d1 bball coaches.

My point is, if the guy in the add wants to question if football coaches, basketball coaches, and ad;s are paid too much, in general, that is one thing, but to try to point out one of each, at one school, and act like they are over paid is another. They are not close to the highest paid in their own division ( I know bball does not have divisions ) let alone in the conference of nationally.

[EastexHawg]

As a fan my primary concern isn't how much Arkansas coaches are being paid compared to other coaches.  I only care that they win.  When it comes to athletic directors, it pretty much begins and ends with running programs that win on the field.  This isn't a business to me, and I'm not a stockholder, so how much money the athletic department is making is largely irrelevant.

Considering those are my criteria, I wouldn't consider any of the three people the advertiser listed as successes.  Putting aside debate about the forum he chose to express his thoughts, I think he makes good points.  I think he should have foregone going down the "contact the Governor" road, but otherwise I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Justifiable Hogicide]

Some Ole Miss fan wastes his money trying to discredit the UA athletic programs. Hotty Toddy moron.

[12247]

Other than putting this info in the paper within a few days of NSD, I saw nothing out of order with this.  I believe BB is the 17th highest paid football HC in college football.  I do not agree that he is the 17th best HC in college football.  I expect results that are reasonable to this program and we are not getting it in Football and Basketball. and yeah, I know the basketball program is picking it up the past few games.  And I also read where the football HC has at least thought about it which is a big + coming from him.  Two weeks ago, he couldn't even talk in the first term, saying you've this and you've that instead of saying we've this and we've that.  Maybe BB is at least starting to own a bit of this damn mess.

[PorkRinds]

Other than putting this info in the paper within a few days of NSD, I saw nothing out of order with this.  I believe BB is the 17th highest paid football HC in college football.  I do not agree that he is the 17th best HC in college football.  I expect results that are reasonable to this program and we are not getting it in Football and Basketball. and yeah, I know the basketball program is picking it up the past few games.  And I also read where the football HC has at least thought about it which is a big + coming from him.  Two weeks ago, he couldn't even talk in the first term, saying you've this and you've that instead of saying we've this and we've that.  Maybe BB is at least starting to own a bit of this damn mess.

His English grade must be terrible if he's using they instead of we.  Some of you guys come up with the most random crap to sling at the wall.

[The OTR]

a former poster here seriously knows exactly who posted this ad

[riccoar]

Probably some guy who carried his wife's purse while she marched on Saturday.  Douchenozzle for sure.  It paints the program badly outside of the state.  People inside the border may get a chuckle, but people outside looking in are not laughing at us in any sort of positive manner.

[1highhog]

The governor part was stupid.


You missed the third target of the rant.


Could have been more effective criticism used than the records for each coach.  But limited space. 

He didn't have limited space, maybe limited funds.  He could have taken out a two or three page ad.  He got so many things wrong it made him look like and idiot.  If you're going to take out and ad, at least get all your ducks in a row.

[GuvHog]

Probably some guy who carried his wife's purse while she marched on Saturday.  Douchenozzle for sure.  It paints the program badly outside of the state.  People inside the border may get a chuckle, but people outside looking in are not laughing at us in any sort of positive manner.

People outside of the Arkansas border have been laughing at the U of A since April of 2012.

[GuvHog]

He didn't have limited space, maybe limited funds.  He could have taken out a two or three page ad.  He got so many things wrong it made him look like and idiot.  If you're going to take out and ad, at least get all your ducks in a row.

Please explain in detail what he got wrong.

[The OTR]

People outside of the Arkansas border have been laughing at the U of A since April of 2012.

Guv my friend, you might not think that if you knew who posted and PAID FOR this ad

Have you not paid attention to the clues sprinkled throughout this thread? It WOULD be worth your while, I guarantee you, to read this thread again from top to bottom and notice what I'm "hinting at"

[Randy Cavender]

Leave government out of sports. We don't want politics screwing football up too..

Too late for that! Look at the NFL!

[The OTR]

Please explain in detail what he got wrong.

again, it's not "what he got wrong"

the real issue is basing "what he said" off of exactly who he is

At this point, you're like Moses just now beginning his journey to the land of milk and honey on this topic. Go back and start over.

[The OTR]

so...is it "James Rogers" or "Josh Hall"

or...is it Rogers Hall...??

<---- rhetorical

There's a Rogers Hall at Vanderbilt, GUV.

Is that the answer? No. Is it a huge clue? Yes

[Inhogswetrust]

Most embarrassing (overall) fan base in the SEC

True of old misses and/or LSU's fanbase...................not ours.

[Inhogswetrust]

People outside of the Arkansas border have been laughing at the U of A since April of 2012.

People outside ANY fanbase laughs at other fanbases. Nothing new. They don't laugh at ours anymore than any other.

[hogsanity]

People outside of the Arkansas border have been laughing at the U of A since April of 2012.

Actually, people outside the borders do not spend much time thinking about the U of A at all.