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hogfan58

Quote from: hogz11 on October 08, 2014, 07:35:42 am
I believe other college football scores are shown on the jumbo screen. That being said, mods can this discussion please be moved to the MLB forum?!

The last home game was the first time this year that they showed any scores from any games. They only did it once, I believe, right after half-time and only SEC games.
I'm asking you as fans, don't give up on those players, don't give up on us, it's our program, it's the state of Alabama program...it's not one individuals program, so hang in there...

popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 12:59:59 am
And again, the point sails by Cardinals fans.

Yes, they are the single largest fan base in the area;  no one is disputing that-- if you delve into your own map,  for most of the state--  even in Central and Eastern Arkansas, the Cardinals aren't even 40% of baseball fans, but act as though they are the only fans in town.

A tiny ounce of hesitation, before declaring a statewide following of the Cardinals, would do wonders for the impression of non-Cardinals fans, towards the Cardinal fan base.

40% is a pretty big plurality. I'm not trying to rub it in anybody's face, but lots of people would like the updates. Heck, lots of people would probably like Royals/Orioles updates too. Generally I think that sports fans would want LCS updates.

But whatever. I appreciate your hatred I guess -- it's just a sign of how strong the Cardinals dynasty really is, I guess.
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popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 01:15:36 am
It is a very important distinction.  Being the most popular does not mean being the only.  That's the disconnect that Cardinals fans seem not to get.


Zero people have suggested the Cardinals have the only fan base in Arkansas.
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popcornhog

Quote from: hogz11 on October 08, 2014, 01:18:05 am
Nothing outside of college football and paid ads should go on that jumbo screen. It's a RAZORBACK FOOTBALL GAME. Check your phone if you want to keep up with a baseball game or just go to the game and give your seat to a fan that won't be half into the game. Arkansas Razorback Athletics have absolutely ZERO to do with Cardinal's baseball or any pro baseball for that matter.

FYI, I like the Cardinals and hope they win the WS, but they don't even cross my mind at a Hogs football game.

Half into the hog game? Where did you get that? I've been planning this particular trip since the schedule came out.
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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: TheGreatHogsby on October 07, 2014, 11:52:23 pm
There is a tie in. OP is right.

No there isn't...............And I was named after two Cardinal players by my Dad. There probably are more Cardinal fans in Arkansas than other pro baseball teams but that isn't as much as it used to be.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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hogcard1964

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 12:24:58 am
Sorry -- I see you're a Braves fan, didn't see that before I asked the question.

What caused such a strong dislike of a team outside of your division? I've always been pretty indifferent to teams outside of the NL Central.

Jealousy

Hogfaniam

"My dog Sam eats purple flowers"

popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 02:09:23 am
Of course you don't think so;  you approach from a position of advocacy.


And you're approaching it from a position of hatred -- as you've admitted in this thread.

This Cardinals team has many holes, no doubt. After Waino (who may be hurt) the starting pitching can be inconsistent, although Lance has become more and more consistent. The Cards are also the worst HR hitting team in the league.

But they've got a very strong bullpen and the HR ball has been there lately. Timely hitting has been iffy all year though. The bats have been very streaky all year. They do have the best catcher in baseball -- which is huge in the playoffs.

I'm rambling, but I'm not trying to say that this team is a world beater. There are plenty of holes. We're gonna need hot bats, particularly with RISP against SF to win -- I don't expect to keep hitting home runs.
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southarkhog06

Quote from: PorkerOinker on October 08, 2014, 12:49:27 am
I have a cousin that is a Cubs fan, seen him and buddy nearly throw down one night during the post season. My cousin said he would root for Al Qaeda if they had a baseball team before he would root for the Cardinals :) it was classic.
as a life long cubs fan i approve this post.

Hogfan1660

Sounds like you need to stay home and watch the Cardinals play if you're that worried about it. Why are we even talking baseball on MMQB anyway?

popcornhog

Quote from: Hogfan1660 on October 08, 2014, 08:06:39 am
Sounds like you need to stay home and watch the Cardinals play if you're that worried about it. Why are we even talking baseball on MMQB anyway?

Ummm . . . Talking about it as it relates to Arkansas football.

This is such a silly response. You believe that I shouldn't attend the game because I'm also interested in the League Championship Series?

It's like you think that I should give up my season tickets, burn my diploma, and get rid of my razorback license plate because I'm interested in more than one sport.

This makes no sense. It also makes me no less of a Razorback fan. Laughable.
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RazorbackRon

Ever heard of a radio?    NO, to baseball on the jumbo-tron.
Everyone is someone else's weirdo

This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet.

hogcard1964

Quote from: Hogfaniam on October 08, 2014, 08:01:52 am


I defy anyone to attempt to have a rational baseball conversation with a Cub fan while sitting in Wrigley Field.

 

BorderPatrol

If the Card fans want to know what the score is, they need to look at their smart phone.

bp

southarkhog06

Quote from: hogcard1964 on October 08, 2014, 08:15:26 am
I defy anyone to attempt to have a rational baseball conversation with a Cub fan while sitting in Wrigley Field.
at least we dont come on a college football message board and just assume that everyone wants to see our teams BASEBALL highlights on the jumbotron of a COLLEGE FOOTBALL stadium, cuz its unimaginable that anyone in arkansas might not be a cards fan amirite?

hogsanity

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 12:34:05 am
Haha, I guess I can see how that would get old. Maybe you'll see the light one day.

I saw the light in 1982, when we got TBS, and I became a Braves fan.  Now, I understand that St Louis is a GREAT baseball city.  The Cards have had some great teams and players ( Musial, in my opinion, is terribly underrated ), but having lived in Arkansas my whole life, I just grew tired of being force fed the Cards ( same as why I dislike the cowboys so much ).

As for Saturday, if they choose to show a score to the Cards game at some point, or announce it over the PA, no harm in that, but if they don't do that, no one should get upset.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

razorbackinva

Let's Go Washington Nationals!!!!  Go Nats!!

010HogFan

I'm a cardinals fan through and through, but this is one of the stupidest topics I've seen posted on this site. and that's saying something.

popcornhog

Quote from: southarkhog06 on October 08, 2014, 08:20:11 am
at least we dont come on a college football message board and just assume that everyone wants to see our teams BASEBALL highlights on the jumbotron of a COLLEGE FOOTBALL stadium, cuz its unimaginable that anyone in arkansas might not be a cards fan amirite?

Many people in Arkansas aren't Cardinals fans. Nobody has assumed that everyone is. But a large plurality are.
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popcornhog

Quote from: hogsanity on October 08, 2014, 08:26:27 am
I saw the light in 1982, when we got TBS, and I became a Braves fan.  Now, I understand that St Louis is a GREAT baseball city.  The Cards have had some great teams and players ( Musial, in my opinion, is terribly underrated ), but having lived in Arkansas my whole life, I just grew tired of being force fed the Cards ( same as why I dislike the cowboys so much ).

As for Saturday, if they choose to show a score to the Cards game at some point, or announce it over the PA, no harm in that, but if they don't do that, no one should get upset.

Fair enough.

Have you also grown tired if being force fed the Razorbacks though? Just curious.
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popcornhog

Quote from: razorbackinva on October 08, 2014, 08:27:31 am
Let's Go Washington Nationals!!!!  Go Nats!!

Haha. I was pulling for them last night too. Maybe next year.
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hogsanity

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 09:03:35 am
Fair enough.

Have you also grown tired if being force fed the Razorbacks though? Just curious.

No, but I also realize there are other good programs out there, I just do not follow them. IT is a little different though.  If I lived within 70 miles of St Louis, like I do Fayetteville, I would probably have season tickets ( I am a baseball junkie ).  The Braves were on TV 150 times a year when I started following them. I had "access' to the Braves like I had access to the Hogs.

People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

southarkhog06

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 09:03:35 am
Fair enough.

Have you also grown tired if being force fed the Razorbacks though? Just curious.
Lets do an experiment, wait till someone starts a thread to talk about another team and see how long it takes cards fans to show up and start talking about how great the cards are. To answer your question i live in arkansas, i am on a razorback message board i kinda expect the razorbacks to be everywhere. If i were in the St. Louis Metro and posting on a Cards board i wouldnt complain about being force fed the cards.

popcornhog

Quote from: hogsanity on October 08, 2014, 09:56:56 am
No, but I also realize there are other good programs out there, I just do not follow them. IT is a little different though.  If I lived within 70 miles of St Louis, like I do Fayetteville, I would probably have season tickets ( I am a baseball junkie ).  The Braves were on TV 150 times a year when I started following them. I had "access' to the Braves like I had access to the Hogs.

Excellent point. That explains the historic dominance of Cardinal baseball in Arkansas (KMOX) and the subsequent relative decline (cable, tbs, espn, mlbtv, etc).
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popcornhog

Quote from: southarkhog06 on October 08, 2014, 10:08:00 am
Lets do an experiment, wait till someone starts a thread to talk about another team and see how long it takes cards fans to show up and start talking about how great the cards are. To answer your question i live in arkansas, i am on a razorback message board i kinda expect the razorbacks to be everywhere. If i were in the St. Louis Metro and posting on a Cards board i wouldnt complain about being force fed the cards.

I get that but Arkansas has no mlb team and is part of the Cardinals market.

Fans of other mlb teams don't annoy me at all. I regularly read Pirates, Reds, Brewers, and Cubs websites.
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ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 07:52:28 am
Zero people have suggested the Cardinals have the only fan base in Arkansas.

No, they simply act like it.   'Why wouldn't the athletic department show our highlights?'
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 07:49:32 am
40% is a pretty big plurality. I'm not trying to rub it in anybody's face, but lots of people would like the updates. Heck, lots of people would probably like Royals/Orioles updates too. Generally I think that sports fans would want LCS updates.

But whatever. I appreciate your hatred I guess -- it's just a sign of how strong the Cardinals dynasty really is, I guess.

When you get into the county by county data, its probably closer to 30%, not 40%-- and no, it isn't that large of a plurality, when 80%+ of baseball coverage regionally is Cardinal oriented.   Over half of the population of the state lives closer to Kansas City than to St. Louis-- yet, until this year,  Royals coverage would be fortunate to be one tenth as large as Cardinals coverage.

My distaste has nothing to do with how good the Cardinals are (or aren't) at any given time-- they could win 10 straight WS, or lose 100 games for 10 straight years, and it wouldn't budge anything;  it has everything to do with their insufferable collection of fans,  who are the baseball embodiment of Anne Richard's infamous 'born on third base, thinking they hit a triple'  mindset.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 10:34:07 am
No, they simply act like it.   'Why wouldn't the athletic department show our highlights?'

Obviously we disagree, that's fine.

And as I said before, I think that they should at least show scores (if not highlights between quarters or during time outs) of all LCS games. All razorback fans are sports fans at the very least. And a large plurality are Cards fans. It would simply be an offering that many hog fans would appreciate. Others would be indifferent. And you would be offended, so maybe it's a bad idea.
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ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 08:02:00 am
And you're approaching it from a position of hatred -- as you've admitted in this thread.

This Cardinals team has many holes, no doubt. After Waino (who may be hurt) the starting pitching can be inconsistent, although Lance has become more and more consistent. The Cards are also the worst HR hitting team in the league.

But they've got a very strong bullpen and the HR ball has been there lately. Timely hitting has been iffy all year though. The bats have been very streaky all year. They do have the best catcher in baseball -- which is huge in the playoffs.

I'm rambling, but I'm not trying to say that this team is a world beater. There are plenty of holes. We're gonna need hot bats, particularly with RISP against SF to win -- I don't expect to keep hitting home runs.

Actually, I'm explaining how I arrived at hatred, for a team I have every logical interest for not caring about at all.     Cardinals fans preclude differing opinions as a matter of 'jealousy';  it is the same sort of stupidity as a Cowboy fan who tries to truncate arguments with 'Five Rings! WOOO!'

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 10:37:50 am
When you get into the county by county data, its probably closer to 30%, not 40%-- and no, it isn't that large of a plurality, when 80%+ of baseball coverage regionally is Cardinal oriented.   Over half of the population of the state lives closer to Kansas City than to St. Louis-- yet, until this year,  Royals coverage would be fortunate to be one tenth as large as Cardinals coverage.

My distaste has nothing to do with how good the Cardinals are (or aren't) at any given time-- they could win 10 straight WS, or lose 100 games for 10 straight years, and it wouldn't budge anything;  it has everything to do with their insufferable collection of fans,  who are the baseball embodiment of Anne Richard's infamous 'born on third base, thinking they hit a triple'  mindset.

I hate that you've had such a poor experience with our fanbase.

I have been a casual Royals fan since moving to KC about 15 months ago. It blows my mind that there aren't more Royals fans in NWA, particularly with the Naturals. I suspect that the NWA Royals fanbase will grow as the Naturals become more established and if the Royals continue to win.
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popcornhog

Quote from: hogz11 on October 08, 2014, 10:43:24 am
The point OP, is you shouldn't come to a Razorback home football game, on the campus where the players attend school, the players and coaches practice, where you look down on the field and watch those football players run out of the A, and expect to see MLB news/scores on the jumbo screen.

That sense of entitlement you have frustrates a lot of Razorback fans as well as other MLB fans. Regardless of the history FANS may or may not have with both teams, the Arkansas Razorback Football Program and the St. Louis Cardinals have NEVER had anything to do with each other.

If you want to keep up with both games, you probably have a tv and a remote to do so. But quit this nonsense of thinking Cardinals fans have a right to do just that with the jumbo screen at DWRRS.

Thanks for the response -- I'll clarify a couple of things real quick.

1) I (nor does any Cards fan that I know) have no such sense of entitlement. I do not feel entitled to see highlights at the Razorback game, but I would enjoy it. As would a large number of Razorback fans.

2) I've never claimed that there was a tie directly between the UA and Cardinals -- just that they share a very large number of fans. That's the tie -- it's the people that support the teams.
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ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 10:43:11 am
I hate that you've had such a poor experience with our fanbase.

I have been a casual Royals fan since moving to KC about 15 months ago. It blows my mind that there aren't more Royals fans in NWA, particularly with the Naturals. I suspect that the NWA Royals fanbase will grow as the Naturals become more established and if the Royals continue to win.

It isn't one poor experience;  it is *every* experience with Cardinals fans.  Heck, this thread is yet another fine example.

'You are jealous! This is Cardinals Country!  We should show our highlights because the Cardinals are as synonymous with Arkansas as the Razorbacks'

Given the prevalence of the Rangers, Red Sox, and the persistence of Yankee fans in  NWA,   it does seem logical the Royals fan base will move out of their thirty year window of quiet a bit.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 10:46:51 am
Thanks for the response -- I'll clarify a couple of things real quick.

1) I (nor does any Cards fan that I know) have no such sense of entitlement. I do not feel entitled to see highlights at the Razorback game, but I would enjoy it. As would a large number of Razorback fans.

2) I've never claimed that there was a tie directly between the UA and Cardinals -- just that they share a very large number of fans. That's the tie -- it's the people that support the teams.

The very existence of this thread shows #1 to be untrue.

Number 2 is unsupported by data.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 10:30:39 am
Excellent point. That explains the historic dominance of Cardinal baseball in Arkansas (KMOX) and the subsequent relative decline (cable, tbs, espn, mlbtv, etc).

Well, that and the fact that the Cards actually had minor league teams in AR for decades before the Travs became part of the Angels organization.

TBS ( Braves ), WGN ( Cubs ) WOR ( Mets ) really changed baseball fan creation. Beofre those you had the Sat game of the week on NBC, Monday Night Baseball on ABC, and that was it unless you lived someplace the games were on locally. Then the superstations came along, and USA got a Thursday night package, and suddenly, baseball was opened up to teams outside your "local" market. Sitting in Fort Smith, or Santa Fe, or Butte, a person could watch 150 games a year of the same team, getting to know them, adopting them as their own.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

Baseball Hog

Fan of 1/29 MLB teams:  Meh I don't like the Cardinals.
Cards fan:  YOU'RE SO JEALOUS STOP BEING JEALOUS. ENVY IS A SIN

It's freaking 2014, do you not have a smart phone yet?  Check the score on your phone.

Cardinal nation is the most narcissistic, conceited and smug fanbase of any sports team on the planet.  I'd rather sit in a bar Baton Rouge after LSU stomped the hogs into the ground than listen to the swill that flows from the majority of Cardinal fans after a win.

popcornhog

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 10:48:29 am
The very existence of this thread shows #1 to be untrue.

Number 2 is unsupported by data.

Again, nobody in this thread ever said that Cards highlights "should" or "must" be on the jumbo tron. Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of the word entitlement. I merely suggested that it would be nice and that it would be a good move by the UA.

As for 2 -- ok, it's an inference on my part based on my experience living in Arkansas from 1989 (age 6) - 2011. I spent the earliest of those years in NE Arkansas, college in Fayetteville, and post college and then law school in Little Rock. I had a diverse set of experiences in various parts of the state.

It was my experience that the Razorbacks were the strongest common thread amongst the people that I came into contact with. The Cardinals were the next biggest thing that I had in common with the greatest number of people during my years in Arkansas -- across the political spectrum, across regions, across socioeconomic groups, across race, across gender, and across age groups.

You are correct that I have not compiled the data on this point. It's entirely possible that my experience is unique and that I merely gravitate toward Cardinal fans.

I cannot prove it, but I would be surprised if a strong plurality or even majority of attendees didn't want to follow the Cards on Saturday though. And among those who aren't specifically interested in Cardinals updates -- I suspect there are a fair number of folks who are interested, generally, in October baseball updates.

But maybe I'm way off base.
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redeye

Quote from: hogsanity on October 08, 2014, 08:26:27 am
I saw the light in 1982, when we got TBS, and I became a Braves fan.  Now, I understand that St Louis is a GREAT baseball city.  The Cards have had some great teams and players ( Musial, in my opinion, is terribly underrated ), but having lived in Arkansas my whole life, I just grew tired of being force fed the Cards ( same as why I dislike the cowboys so much ).

As for Saturday, if they choose to show a score to the Cards game at some point, or announce it over the PA, no harm in that, but if they don't do that, no one should get upset.

It's funny, because I never felt like the Cardinals were force fed to me.  In fact, I felt lucky that the Cards received so much attention in Arkansas.  To me, it was great that we had their AA franchise and that they played a few exhibition games at Ray Winder Field.

However, I can't say the same about the Cowboys.  I do feel like they've  been force fed to me, but only after JJ purchased the team.  The difference may be that my interest in the Cards came from my father, who had no interest in any NFL team, including the team in St. Louis.  I also don't think the Cowboys had a history with Arkansas like the Cardinals, at least until JJ purchased them.

So, I can understand what you're saying, but I'd rather be force fed by a team that earned everyone's respect, then one that's only popular because of who owns it.

popcornhog

Ok, maybe I overstated it in the OP. I did say "needs."

I should've said "it would be nice if."

Apologies for my wording. I did not mean to offend or annoy anyone.
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ErieHog

Quote from: popcornhog on October 08, 2014, 11:38:12 am
Again, nobody in this thread ever said that Cards highlights "should" or "must" be on the jumbo tron. Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of the word entitlement. I merely suggested that it would be nice and that it would be a good move by the UA.

As for 2 -- ok, it's an inference on my part based on my experience living in Arkansas from 1989 (age 6) - 2011. I spent the earliest of those years in NE Arkansas, college in Fayetteville, and post college and then law school in Little Rock. I had a diverse set of experiences in various parts of the state.

It was my experience that the Razorbacks were the strongest common thread amongst the people that I came into contact with. The Cardinals were the next biggest thing that I had in common with the greatest number of people during my years in Arkansas -- across the political spectrum, across regions, across socioeconomic groups, across race, across gender, and across age groups.

You are correct that I have not compiled the data on this point. It's entirely possible that my experience is unique and that I merely gravitate toward Cardinal fans.

I cannot prove it, but I would be surprised if a strong plurality or even majority of attendees didn't want to follow the Cards on Saturday though. And among those who aren't specifically interested in Cardinals updates -- I suspect there are a fair number of folks who are interested, generally, in October baseball updates.

But maybe I'm way off base.


The data compiled by the NYT tends to argue that you are way, way off base.   Cardinals fans represent about a third of baseball followers in Arkansas-- though arguably that number is high, as the support for the Cardinals is well below 30% in the most populous regions of the state-- but to be fair in the defense of Cardinals fans, baseball might be more popular on a per-capita basis than is reflected by the chosen data set.

The Cardinals, as a franchise, are actually pretty admirable.  I enjoy watching mid and small market teams do well, working the system, and proving more nimble than competitors who do less with greater resources.   

Its just a shame they have the Cardinal fan base.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

redeye

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 10:40:08 am
Actually, I'm explaining how I arrived at hatred, for a team I have every logical interest for not caring about at all.     Cardinals fans preclude differing opinions as a matter of 'jealousy';  it is the same sort of stupidity as a Cowboy fan who tries to truncate arguments with 'Five Rings! WOOO!'

Why would a Cardinals fan be jealous?  Outside of the Yankees, they're the most successful MLB team of all time.  I think you're confusing who's jealous here.

I find all the claims of bad experiences with Cardinals fans interesting, because I've never experienced anything like what some of you are claiming.  That doesn't mean I doubt what you're saying, but just that I've never seen it.  However, it sounds to me like the same treatment you'd receive if you were not an Arkansas fan and that right there is a sign of how much the Cardinals mean in this state.

hogsanity

Quote from: redeye on October 08, 2014, 11:40:22 am
It's funny, because I never felt like the Cardinals were force fed to me.  In fact, I felt lucky that the Cards received so much attention in Arkansas.  To me, it was great that we had their AA franchise and that they played a few exhibition games at Ray Winder Field.

However, I can't say the same about the Cowboys.  I do feel like they've  been force fed to me, but only after JJ purchased the team.  The difference may be that my interest in the Cards came from my father, who had no interest in any NFL team, including the team in St. Louis.  I also don't think the Cowboys had a history with Arkansas like the Cardinals, at least until JJ purchased them.

So, I can understand what you're saying, but I'd rather be force fed by a team that earned everyone's respect, then one that's only popular because of who owns it.

Well, my dad is from far eastern Ohio, so we were Pirates/Steelers fans ( the army brought him here in 1961 and he had the good sense to never go back ) when I was growing up. I never had a tie to the Cards, so that may be part of it.

Like I said, I think it is a great baseball city, knowledgeable fans, etc, I just do not like the Cards. 
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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ErieHog

Quote from: redeye on October 08, 2014, 11:57:02 am
Why would a Cardinals fan be jealous?  Outside of the Yankees, they're the most successful MLB team of all time.  I think you're confusing who's jealous here.
I never said Cardinals fans were jealous;  simply that the knee jerk reaction of Cardinals fans to people not liking the Cardinals, is to attribute it to the jealousy of others.     'You must not like us because we are so successful! Haters gonna hate!' --  that's the most common refrain among Cardinals fans -- and it can be seen in this thread.

Quote from: redeye on October 08, 2014, 11:57:02 am
I find all the claims of bad experiences with Cardinals fans interesting, because I've never
experienced anything like what some of you are claiming.  That doesn't mean I doubt what you're saying, but just that I've never seen it.  However, it sounds to me like the same treatment you'd receive if you were not an Arkansas fan and that right there is a sign of how much the Cardinals mean in this state.

Again. This. This.  THIS is what is wrong with Cardinals fans.

'It sounds to me like the same treatment you'd receive if you were not an Arkansas fan'-- 

NO.  NO.  NO.

A *billion* times no.   This presumption is a disease of Cardinaldom.

The Razorbacks are far, far, far more popular, and the fractional loyalty to other teams is much smaller.    They, unlike Cardinal fans, at least would have a huge majority of people who consumed and advocated for 24-7-365 Hogs.

The Cardinals mean a lot to a *much* smaller fraction of the state. 



No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TheGreatHogsby

Quote from: PorkerOinker on October 08, 2014, 12:31:40 am
I grew up a Braves fan, and after years and years of people asking me "how could you grow up in Arkansas and not be a Cardinals can?" I just grew to dislike them, have lots of family that are Cardinals fans and when they go on and on all the time about the Cardinals, the rest of us in the family (that are Braves fans) just get tired of hearing it.

With that being said I love to go to St Louis and watch games, because it's a fun town to hang out in, I just root for whoever else they are playing if I can't make it up for a Braves series.

Same thing goes for the Dallas Cowboys with me, although that dislike has more to do with being a Buffalo Bills fan when I was younger :) man those Super Bowls killed me.
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hoghappy

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 10:48:29 am
The very existence of this thread shows #1 to be untrue.

Number 2 is unsupported by data.
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ErieHog

Quote from: hoghappy on October 08, 2014, 01:00:37 pm
its nice to be able to have hands small enough for a rectal probe to retrieve your numbers.

The funniest part is that it is the Cardinal fans themselves who brought in the numbers that show how hollow their presumption is.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

redeye

Quote from: hogsanity on October 08, 2014, 12:23:57 pm
Well, my dad is from far eastern Ohio, so we were Pirates/Steelers fans ( the army brought him here in 1961 and he had the good sense to never go back ) when I was growing up. I never had a tie to the Cards, so that may be part of it.

Like I said, I think it is a great baseball city, knowledgeable fans, etc, I just do not like the Cards.

Well, that explains your dislike for them right there... lol.

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 12:32:22 pm
I never said Cardinals fans were jealous;  simply that the knee jerk reaction of Cardinals fans to people not liking the Cardinals, is to attribute it to the jealousy of others.     'You must not like us because we are so successful! Haters gonna hate!' --  that's the most common refrain among Cardinals fans -- and it can be seen in this thread.

You're right and I apologize for my mistake.

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 12:32:22 pm
Again. This. This.  THIS is what is wrong with Cardinals fans.

'It sounds to me like the same treatment you'd receive if you were not an Arkansas fan'-- 

NO.  NO.  NO.

A *billion* times no.   This presumption is a disease of Cardinaldom.

The Razorbacks are far, far, far more popular, and the fractional loyalty to other teams is much smaller.    They, unlike Cardinal fans, at least would have a huge majority of people who consumed and advocated for 24-7-365 Hogs.

The Cardinals mean a lot to a *much* smaller fraction of the state.

You're really stretching here.  Fact is that Arkansas is the most popular college football team in Arkansas and the Cardinals are the most popular MLB team.  That more people support Arkansas then the Cardinals is irrelevant to the point I was making and does nothing to negate it.  It's a straw argument.

ErieHog

Quote from: redeye on October 08, 2014, 01:31:57 pm
Well, that explains your dislike for them right there... lol.

You're right and I apologize for my mistake.

You're really stretching here.  Fact is that Arkansas is the most popular college football team in Arkansas and the Cardinals are the most popular MLB team.  That more people support Arkansas then the Cardinals is irrelevant to the point I was making and does nothing to negate it.  It's a straw argument.

The only people it seems a stretch to are Cardinals fans ;  that's not sinking in, obviously. 

Entitlement thinking from sports worst entitlement fanbase.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jrulz83

I enjoy how the anti Cardinals people come crawling out of the woodwork to tell Cardinals fans how awful they are. It's quite amusing. I am a Cardinals fan and I never have chalked any hatred up to jealousy. I chalk it all up to just not caring about the Cardinals.

Cardinals fans aren't the worst, that title belongs to Red Sox or Dodger fans. They are the most bandwagonish fans I have ever been around. Most Cardinals fans I have had experience with are true to the franchise regardless of success or failure. I just don't really get why fans of other teams on here are so quick to jump on somebody who posts something positive about the Cardinals. It's quite puzzling, I'm sure I'll get told I don't understand it because I am an arrogant, spoiled Cardinals fan. I didn't jump on the Braves fans and tell them how arrogant they were in the 90's. I just let them enjoy their run and hoped that my team beat them when the two faced each other.

To the original question, no to highlights on the jumbotron. Sharing the score is fine, but I think if you show one score you have to show them all.
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ErieHog

Quote from: jrulz83 on October 08, 2014, 01:40:39 pm
I enjoy how the anti Cardinals people come crawling out of the woodwork to tell Cardinals fans how awful they are. It's quite amusing. I am a Cardinals fan and I never have chalked any hatred up to jealousy. I chalk it all up to just not caring about the Cardinals.

Cardinals fans aren't the worst, that title belongs to Red Sox or Dodger fans. They are the most bandwagonish fans I have ever been around. Most Cardinals fans I have had experience with are true to the franchise regardless of success or failure. I just don't really get why fans of other teams on here are so quick to jump on somebody who posts something positive about the Cardinals. It's quite puzzling, I'm sure I'll get told I don't understand it because I am an arrogant, spoiled Cardinals fan. I didn't jump on the Braves fans and tell them how arrogant they were in the 90's. I just let them enjoy their run and hoped that my team beat them when the two faced each other.

To the original question, no to highlights on the jumbotron. Sharing the score is fine, but I think if you show one score you have to show them all.

Cardinals fans are Red Sox fans in slightly different colors.

You can be successful, without becoming intolerable;   you'd be hard pressed to find a whole lot of distaste for the SF Giants, or the Detroit Tigers-- they're both pretty successful groups, with much more reasonable fans.  Braves fans were always fun to banter with, but they never became as Brave-washed as Cardinals drones.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

jrulz83

Quote from: ErieHog on October 08, 2014, 01:50:15 pm
Cardinals fans are Red Sox fans in slightly different colors.

Please expound on that statement so I can understand your reasoning. I'm not acquainted with any Cardinals fans that are comparable to Red Sox fans.

I think your tolerable view of Giants/Tigers fans is because you just don't find many of them outside of their geographic ranges. I've always liked the Tigers though, I've always thought they have the one of the best hats in baseball.

I disagree with the you on the Braves; their fans became pretty rabidly obnoxious, but that's just my opinion.
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