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thirrdegreetusker

I see where Calcagni is in the HOF. I got no problem with that.

But he had the VERY good fortune to play at a time when JFB had amassed an obscene amount of talent, and great success was............ common.

I'll put it this way. If you were a fifth year senior in the '79 season, you experienced three 10-or-more-seasons as a Hog. And one nine-win season.

75 = 10-2
76 = 5-5-1
77 = 11-1
78 = 9-2-1
79 = 10-2


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So QBs don't contribute to that?
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thirrdegreetusker

Quote from: DoctorSusscrofa on February 26, 2015, 09:08:07 am
So QBs don't contribute to that?

That's kinda the point. The program was in such good shape that four different QBs started during those three 10-or-more-win seasons. The year after Calcagni graduated, the next team got 10 wins.....and beat Texas, which Ron never did....

tbhogfan

IMHO, most everyone inducted in this year's class is deserving.   

The only one I would question is Carl Jackson, simply because he is not from Arkansas, has no athletic or coaching ties to Arkansas, and is not an athlete or a coach.   I am sure that he is a fine man, and a great caddie, but I don't think that being the caddie manager at an Arkansas golf course and the once-per-year caddy of a Texas golfer is or should be enough to get one into the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame.
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26.2Hog

Quote from: razorbacker3 on February 26, 2015, 09:02:46 am
What HOF is he in?

He's being inducted into the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame.

rljjr

OK, so he didn't beat Texas, but he never lost a bowl game and was 24-4-2 as a starter. Bowl games: Beat GA, Beat OU, tied UCLA. I think he's still the winningest QB in Hog history, so that has to count for something. The talent around him helped, but if we were bringing in all that talent then he had to beat SOMEBODY out for his job.

Signed, NOT Mrs Calcagni. :-)

thirrdegreetusker

Quote from: rljjr on February 26, 2015, 10:43:06 am
but he never lost a bowl game and was 24-4-2 as a starter. Bowl games: Beat GA...

He was not the QB when we beat Georgia. He was a true freshman, playing behind Bull and Kirkland (both of whom were drafted by the NFL). He may not have gotten a snap in that Cotton Bowl.

Calling All Hogs

It's just the Arkansas Sports HOF. He probably deserves that just for quarterbacking the 1978 Orange Bowl.

rljjr

Quote from: thirrdegreetusker on February 26, 2015, 11:08:58 am
He was not the QB when we beat Georgia. He was a true freshman, playing behind Bull and Kirkland (both of whom were drafted by the NFL). He may not have gotten a snap in that Cotton Bowl.


Oops, my bad. You're right. Forgot about Scott Bull. Ah, that takes me back.

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Quote from: thirrdegreetusker on February 26, 2015, 08:58:31 am
I see where Calcagni is in the HOF. I got no problem with that.

But he had the VERY good fortune to play at a time when JFB had amassed an obscene amount of talent, and great success was............ common.

I'll put it this way. If you were a fifth year senior in the '79 season, you experienced three 10-or-more-seasons as a Hog. And one nine-win season.

75 = 10-2
76 = 5-5-1
77 = 11-1
78 = 9-2-1
79 = 10-2

Not all but MOST players in ANY HOF had some good players around them...........They still deserve to get the honor though.
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Mike Irwin

Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

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He deserves it very much. Anyone who thinks he doesn't belong, doesn't know much about past Arkansas football.
He's respected outside the state as well. The guy I contract for claims that he was he favorite Razorback player, favorite SWC player, when he was going to school at Tennessee.
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oldbear

I had the pleasure of sitting with Calcagni at a meeting several years ago at which he was the guest speaker. He probably has no memory of the meeting whatsoever, but he made a great impression on me. He was very kind and humble and spoke well of and lot of people with whom I was familiar. In my mind, not only was he a very good quarterback, but a great guy and I am very proud to have people like him in the hall of fame.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

Yep.
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Quote from: oldbear on February 26, 2015, 02:44:40 pm
I had the pleasure of sitting with Calcagni at a meeting several years ago at which he was the guest speaker. He probably has no memory of the meeting whatsoever, but he made a great impression on me. He was very kind and humble and spoke well of and lot of people with whom I was familiar. In my mind, not only was he a very good quarterback, but a great guy and I am very proud to have people like him in the hall of fame.

I remember hearing a rumor one day that he was a loner and not very social. I tracked it down. One of Calcagni's teammates ended up telling me that he came from a difficult financial situation back home.

He had no car, no extra money to socialize with. It was basically eat, sleep, go to class, study and play football for him.

The thing is, he never complained about his situation. I'm sure had they known certain boosters would have been happy to help him. Instead I had to do some investigating just to find out what his situation was.

I've always been a Ron Calcagni fan.



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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 04:12:01 pm
I remember hearing a rumor one day that he was a loner and not very social. I tracked it down. One of Calcagni's teammates ended up telling me that he came from a difficult financial situation back home.

He had no car, no extra money to socialize with. It was basically eat, sleep, go to class, study and play football for him.

The thing is, he never complained about his situation. I'm sure had they known certain boosters would have been happy to help him. Instead I had to do some investigating just to find out what his situation was.

I've always been a Ron Calcagni fan.

Count me as one as well.  Loved his bulldog mentality. 
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

Agreed.  Calcagni is one of my favorite Razorback QB's, and I remember them back to Ronny South.  He had a swagger about him and he was a winner.

Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: thirrdegreetusker on February 26, 2015, 09:28:40 am

That's kinda the point. The program was in such good shape that four different QBs started during those three 10-or-more-win seasons. The year after Calcagni graduated, the next team got 10 wins.....and beat Texas, which Ron never did....


So....on one hand you try to say that it was because of the program/players around Calcagni... that we had those good seasons.  Yet, you only single Calcagni out, about his teams never beating Texas?  You can't have it both ways.

Calcagni was a very good QB for the system we were in at that time.  He was a winner.
One of Arkansas's biggest bowl wins....31-6 was over OU, in which Calcagni engineered the offense.  He certainly deserves the Arkansas Hall of Fame.  Most Razorback fans that saw that game, will never forget it.  OU was a heavy favorite.
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.


Agree.  Also, the obvious face mask penalty that Texas should have received, when their defender grabbed a (believe it was Calcagni's) face mask around, or inside their 5 yd line.  That would have given us a first & goal somewhere around their  2-3 yard line.  There was an official looking right at the play, & didn't call it. Instead, we had to settle for a field goal. 
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.
Agree 100%
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oldbear

I can't quote you, Mike, because I am on my phone, but your story says a lot about him. The poster or posters that give the credit all to his team or the climate about let the time, fail to recognize just how fragile a winning team atmosphere really is. It takes great leadership to sustain winning at that level. The atmosphere t title and conduct of a quarterback has a lot to do with that.

I believe Calcagni's leadership and lack of belly-aching had a lot to do with all those wins.

 

thirrdegreetusker

Quote from: Calling All Hogs on February 26, 2015, 11:15:48 amHe probably deserves that just for quarterbacking the 1978 Orange Bowl.

this^^

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February 27, 2015, 12:39:00 pm #25 Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 12:58:25 pm by Tejano Jawg
Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

Wasn't the backbreaker play a screen pass to Earl that he broke big? That was painful.

Anyone in this thread who is even remotely questioning Ron Calcagni's ability—or HOF skins—is out of their mind, or, never saw him play. Maybe the latter.

He did for us (as a comparison) what Auburn's Marshall did in the past 2 years--not the best arm or fastest runner, but ran the offense and made it all go. He was a winner. And yes, that 1977/78 Orange Bowl team was incredible, and would contend today—great at every skill position, practially an all all-conference secondary, great lines on both sides, and one of the best kicking games in NCAA history. Ron was right in the middle of all that.

His senior year, when Eckwood came back from injury to join Cowins in the backfield (WOW!), it was beautiful to watch Ron run the option with those guys. Sometimes he'd get the corner, run for 10-15 yards, then make the pitch to #43 or #28. That was some fun football to watch.
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.


There were two VERY bad calls in that Texas game - talk about bad officiating! We were robbed!

Inhogswetrust

Not many Hog players have made the cover of Sports Illustrated.................He did. He deserves induction to the HOF.

P.S. IIRC Only Sidney has made it more than once.........as a Hog and as a Bucks.
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Quote from: Inhogswetrust on February 27, 2015, 03:35:56 pm
Not many Hog players have made the cover of Sports Illustrated.................He did. He deserves induction to the HOF.

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Calcagni, Holtz, and a 3rd Razorback I can't remember.
Super Sid
Corliss
D-Mac
Nolan holding the Championship trophy

And Clinton, if you want to count it.
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Quote from: Veritas Arkansas on February 27, 2015, 03:42:20 pm
Harry Jones
Calcagni, Holtz, and a 3rd Razorback I can't remember.
Super Sid
Corliss
D-Mac
Nolan holding the Championship trophy

And Clinton, if you want to count it.


The third was Cowins I believe.
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Quote from: Inhogswetrust on February 27, 2015, 03:43:55 pm
The third was Cowins I believe.

It was Cowins, and the photo had the caption with their names "of No. 1 Arkansas."  It was their pre-season issue that year and SI picked us no. 1.  Had we not screwed up against Houston (dang you, Ordonez!!), we may very well have done it.
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Quote from: Jackrabbit Hog on February 27, 2015, 04:04:50 pm
It was Cowins, and the photo had the caption with their names "of No. 1 Arkansas."  It was their pre-season issue that year and SI picked us no. 1.  Had we not screwed up against Houston (dang you, Ordonez!!), we may very well have done it.

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rickm1976

Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

And he was one "no-call" on an obvious face mask away from getting him one victory over Texas.  Yeah, I'm a bitter old Hog fan that still hates those Texas refs, but that one cost us dearly.

Joe Davis (USS Razorback)

In the early/mid 80's, Calcagni was Coach at Newark High School.  They came to Cross County to play.  I  was stoked when I heard he was their coach and was coming to our school.  I remember that it was before halftime and they stopped the game, packed their stuff and left.  I think CCHS was leading 35-0 at that time.  The only reason I recall this is that I was just thrilled to get a chance to meet him and this played out instead.  I think I remember why it happened (game related), but I am not 100% so I will leave it at this.

LOVED him as a Hog.  Sure would have liked to have shaken his hand.



thirrdegreetusker

Quote from: Jackrabbit Hog on February 27, 2015, 04:04:50 pm
  Had we not screwed up against Houston (dang you, Ordonez!!), we may very well have done it.

Wasn't it blocked?

thirrdegreetusker

Quote from: Veritas Arkansas on February 27, 2015, 03:42:20 pm
Harry Jones
Calcagni, Holtz, and a 3rd Razorback I can't remember.
Super Sid
Corliss
D-Mac
Nolan holding the Championship trophy

And Clinton, if you want to count it.

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Quote from: Jackrabbit Hog on February 27, 2015, 04:04:50 pm
It was Cowins, and the photo had the caption with their names "of No. 1 Arkansas."  It was their pre-season issue that year and SI picked us no. 1.  Had we not screwed up against Houston (dang you, Ordonez!!), we may very well have done it.
That was the '79 season, you nincompoop!   >:(

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Quote from: Mike Irwin on February 26, 2015, 02:09:34 pm
Surprised it took this long for him to get in. He quarterbacked one of the best Razorback teams ever. If it weren't for one particular run by Earl Campbell the 77 Hogs might have won a national championship.

Calcagni was a very good veer quarterback and huge part of that team. Any suggestion that he was only good because of the talent around him is nonsense.

We meet him at the state capital in LR when we were on a Jr High Field Trip.
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Quote from: Veritas Arkansas on February 27, 2015, 03:42:20 pm
Harry Jones
Calcagni, Holtz, and a 3rd Razorback I can't remember.
Super Sid
Corliss
D-Mac
Nolan holding the Championship trophy

And Clinton, if you want to count it.


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Quote from: PonderinHog on March 02, 2015, 08:40:44 am
That was the '79 season, you nincompoop!   >:(

You get to be my age and those long ago seasons tend to blend together. 
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