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SouthTulsaHog

Of Macon, Barford, or CJ - when its all said and done, who do you think has the best chance to make an NBA roster at some point in their career.

Based on pure potential, I think I would have to go with CJ, based on his size, athleticism, and shot.

What say you?

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MakingPlays

Barford.  I'd be shocked if Barford didn't at least get a summer league invite.  His game is made for the NBA. 

deserthog

Of the three it would be Barford, but unfortunately he just doesn't have the height.

ErieHog

December 13, 2017, 05:34:00 pm #5 Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 10:40:40 am by ErieHog
Barford.

Macon will have to change his body.  CJ, his game.
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Quote from: deserthog on December 13, 2017, 05:29:57 pm
Of the three it would be Barford, but unfortunately he just doesn't have the height.

He's a legit 6'3.    Plenty of guys his size in the League, playing a combo role.
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MakingPlays

Quote from: ErieHog on December 13, 2017, 05:34:00 pm
Barford.

Mason will have to change his body.  CJ, his game.

Agreed.  You don't see many guys Macon's build in the NBA.  Right now he'd be considered a really skinny and undersized SG by NBA standards.  CJ has to improve on a few things, mostly ball handling. As of right now, guys in the NBA would just take the ball from him if he tried to dribble past them.

With Barford I think if he was a traditional 4-year guy out of high school and got more attention he'd at least be considered a second round pick because of his strength and ability to attack the rim.  He's just not on a lot of radars right now, but he can potentially change that if he's in contention for SEC POY, which is possible.  His game is very Russell Westbrook like, not many guards in college basketball can attack the rim and finish as well as Barford can.

SouthTulsaHog

I think the best thing for everyone on the team is having Gafford on the roster. NBA scouts will be showing up to games the rest of the season, which gives Barford, Macon, etc chances to show what they can do. Maybe get more attention than they would normally get if Gafford wasn't there

NWAHog479

Macon and Barford will both make plenty of money playing professionally and CJ will do just fine too. I think Barford has the best chance between the 3 to play in the NBA, even though if he does I think it will be a short stint. His game reminds me of Marcus Smart a little bit, so he'd have to up his defensive skill set.

daprospecta

In my opinion C.J. He's 6'5, can jump out the gym, can shoot and gets high elevation on his shots. Steph Curry is shorter and doesn't have nearly the amount of athleticism as CJ and neither were great dribblers at this point in their career.

HawgHeadCheese

I'm going with Macon. He really shows a more NBA ready game than Barford. He's an above average passer, does a good job of using change of pace when dribbling to get to the lane, can knock down shots off the dribble, and shoots a high free throw percentage. He will transition into a PG smoothly I think.

johnfanman

Quote from: daprospecta on December 14, 2017, 09:25:46 am
In my opinion C.J. He's 6'5, can jump out the gym, can shoot and gets high elevation on his shots. Steph Curry is shorter and doesn't have nearly the amount of athleticism as CJ and neither were great dribblers at this point in their career.

Nothing against CJ ar all, but did you just compare him to Steph Curry? No, just no.
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hdturner

I say C J both Barford & Macon are to undersized for 2 guard in NBA. C J has 2 years to work on ball handling. The NBA loves athletic guys so C J has the advantage.

Hawg Red

Can't say with any kind of certainty because all three players have certain traits that translate to the NBA game with certain flaws to go along with them. If Sean Kilpatrick can play in the NBA, so can Jaylen Barford. If Seth Curry can play in the NBA, so can Daryl Macon. If
Antonio Blakeney can play in the NBA, so can C.J. Jones. But the thing about that is, with all of the players I mentioned (including our guys), there's just nothing so special about them that they are easily identifiable NBA players who you can project a long career. They're all going to have to work their butts off to find a way to stick in the NBA and luck and circumstance will be major factors in that happening. These are all fringe NBA players who will mostly be team-to-team for their entire career (Curry seems to be an exception -- maybe I should have used Ian Clark instead of him).

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daprospecta

Quote from: johnfanman on December 14, 2017, 12:50:10 pm
Nothing against CJ ar all, but did you just compare him to Steph Curry? No, just no.
In college. I watched him closely at Davidson, he was pure shooter and not much else.

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collins4heisman

Gafford would actually be the correct answer

1highhog

Quote from: MakingPlays on December 13, 2017, 05:42:51 pm
Agreed.  You don't see many guys Macon's build in the NBA.  Right now he'd be considered a really skinny and undersized SG by NBA standards.  CJ has to improve on a few things, mostly ball handling. As of right now, guys in the NBA would just take the ball from him if he tried to dribble past them.

With Barford I think if he was a traditional 4-year guy out of high school and got more attention he'd at least be considered a second round pick because of his strength and ability to attack the rim.  He's just not on a lot of radars right now, but he can potentially change that if he's in contention for SEC POY, which is possible.  His game is very Russell Westbrook like, not many guards in college basketball can attack the rim and finish as well as Barford can.

Macon has the least chance of the three because of his size and his game and then his weaknesses.   There are tons of guys in the NBA the size of Barford, the only thing he needs is more work on his handling the ball in the open court and his shot selection.   Jones could be and intriguing prospect with his shot when it's falling like it has been, but he needs to add some muscle to his frame and some handle to his game.  In CMA's system, with two more years to go, he should have a good defensive game.

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Quote from: collins4heisman on December 14, 2017, 11:41:18 pm
Gafford would actually be the correct answer

He didn't ask about Gafford so it wouldn't.
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SemperHawg

Quote from: HawgHeadCheese on December 14, 2017, 10:04:59 am
I'm going with Macon. He really shows a more NBA ready game than Barford. He's an above average passer, does a good job of using change of pace when dribbling to get to the lane, can knock down shots off the dribble, and shoots a high free throw percentage. He will transition into a PG smoothly I think.
I'm with this...The NBA game is completely different than the college game.  Macon looks closer to the product, style wise, that gets put out on the floor nightly in the league.

Cotton

Love all 3, Barford has best chance, but I don't see any of the 3 making it.
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Not sure who I would say has the best chance, but CJ had some nice Ray Allen type moments against Minnesota the other night. Hit some really tough 3's. Wouldn't be surprised to see him make it someday.

 

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Quote from: daprospecta on December 14, 2017, 08:52:07 pm
In college. I watched him closely at Davidson, he was pure shooter and not much else.

Curry set the Davidson single season record for steals.

daprospecta

Quote from: Albert Swinestein on December 15, 2017, 11:05:06 am
Curry set the Davidson single season record for steals.
Ok? He played in a watered down conference   I'm sure his dad taught him how to play defense but go look at his scouting report coming out of college.  He was somewhat of a liability on defense, average-above average athleticism and average dribbling ability.  He was a pure shooter though with a very quick release.  He even has talked about his lack of dribbling ability coming in and how he worked very hard at it when he got to the NBA. 

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Quote from: johnfanman on December 14, 2017, 12:50:10 pm
Nothing against CJ ar all, but did you just compare him to Steph Curry? No, just no.
Steph Curry is the luckiest man alive to have been born in the era of the touch foul in the NBA. Had Steph Curry played in the NBA of the late 70's or early 80's he's be nothing but a spot up shooter on the same level of a Jerry Sichting who played that role for the Celtics of the mid 80's. Man, the NBA used to be rough and tumble basketball, Curry wouldn't have been able to get a good look the vast majority of offensive sets.
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Quote from: 1highhog on December 15, 2017, 01:29:54 am
Macon has the least chance of the three because of his size and his game and then his weaknesses.   There are tons of guys in the NBA the size of Barford, the only thing he needs is more work on his handling the ball in the open court and his shot selection.   Jones could be and intriguing prospect with his shot when it's falling like it has been, but he needs to add some muscle to his frame and some handle to his game.  In CMA's system, with two more years to go, he should have a good defensive game.

Barford's shot selection seems to be just fine. Have you checked his field goal pctg? One of the best in the conference.

Pumbaa

My vote would also be Barford. His shooting has really improved this past offseason and has the ability to finish some tough shots around the rim. His D, in my opinion, is better than the other two mentioned as well.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: BannerMountainMan on December 13, 2017, 04:13:44 pm
Barford by far.
Yep, he already has the NBA body and he can create his own shot. Not to mention he has a variety of them.
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Youngsta71701

Quote from: deserthog on December 13, 2017, 05:29:57 pm
Of the three it would be Barford, but unfortunately he just doesn't have the height.
Marcus Smart doesn't either. Same type of player.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Youngsta71701

Quote from: daprospecta on December 14, 2017, 09:25:46 am
In my opinion C.J. He's 6'5, can jump out the gym, can shoot and gets high elevation on his shots. Steph Curry is shorter and doesn't have nearly the amount of athleticism as CJ and neither were great dribblers at this point in their career.
Steph has been a great ball handler his whole life. What are you talkin?
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Youngsta71701

Quote from: daprospecta on December 15, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Ok? He played in a watered down conference   I'm sure his dad taught him how to play defense but go look at his scouting report coming out of college.  He was somewhat of a liability on defense, average-above average athleticism and average dribbling ability.  He was a pure shooter though with a very quick release.  He even has talked about his lack of dribbling ability coming in and how he worked very hard at it when he got to the NBA.
Dude, the scouting report was wrong. Clearly.
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Quote from: daprospecta on December 15, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Ok? He played in a watered down conference   I'm sure his dad taught him how to play defense but go look at his scouting report coming out of college.  He was somewhat of a liability on defense, average-above average athleticism and average dribbling ability.  He was a pure shooter though with a very quick release.  He even has talked about his lack of dribbling ability coming in and how he worked very hard at it when he got to the NBA. 

Look, although I lived on Lake Norman and about 3 miles from Davidson's campus at that time and had season tickets since my neighbor at the time was and still is Davidson's coach, I do not claim to be the expert talent evaluator you obviously are.  What I do know though is that he was more than just a scorer his last two years at Davidson.  Regarding his level of competition during those last two years, he had 5 steals against Gonzaga (most against them that year), 4 steals against Wisconsin (most against them that year), multiple steal games against #2 Duke, North Carolina St, South Carolina, West Virginia, etc.

daprospecta

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 16, 2017, 05:46:54 am
Steph has been a great ball handler his whole life. What are you talkin?
Ok.  He has even said it himself that he needed to improve his ball-handling coming out of college and how he worked tirelessly at it but I digress.