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Quote from: ricepig on November 22, 2017, 01:18:01 pm
It's still a $4.7m loss.


UA officials have determined the average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial's $3.7 million, and that the difference in net revenue for 2018 and beyond is projected to rise to $4.7 million per game.

This is the choice. Play in WMS and lose nearly $4 million or play in RRS and make more money. Play in WMS with 54,000 on hand or play is RRS with 71,000 on hand. Play in LR and you can't realistically host recruits because there's nothing to see or play in RRS and host recruits without giving up a chance to host them in a "home" game.
Folks, this is a no brainer. That's why Alabama doesn't play in Birmingham anymore. There are other examples as well. Our provincialism on the part of some in the fan base is costing the Hogs.

code red

Quote from: bphi11ips on November 22, 2017, 12:55:23 pm
This is an obnoxious post. 

If Arkansas plays with pride and emotion next year, and it most likely will, the Ole Miss game in Little Rock is likely to sell out.
WMS had it's time and place.  It has served the Hogs well.  But.  It's time to cut her lose.
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311Hog

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 22, 2017, 01:53:36 pm
I know which ones you are referring to. But why are those the best games? Those are the two home games we can't compete in.

Maybe new coach new year we will=)

ShadowTheHedgehog

Quote from: AP85 on November 22, 2017, 01:26:08 pm
Booooo freaking hoooo nwa tit bag.


Fayetteville really showing up these days aren't they?

Uam has more in attendance than you clowns up there.

LMAO what? 1) the Razorbacks are from NWA, and 2) the attendance at WMS was horrible before the season went down the toilet.

Letsroll1200

Quote from: tasteslikechicken on November 22, 2017, 01:19:28 pm
This is the same attitude CBB had and in my opinion exactly why CBB's teams laid eggs there so often. Houston made it an opportunity and Bret made it a problem.

How did Bobby feel about the LR game? A sure way to not sell out is to bring back Bret as a coach.

hogcods8

Quote from: _Hamlet_ on November 22, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
This pissses me off. Hosting games like this in LR is where the Athletic Dept will lose most of their money. 30K fans v. 60-70K fans. Money matters.
This makes me happy for two reasons, the fact that we're playing Ole Miss in LR and the fact that it pisses you off.

bphi11ips

Quote from: ricepig on November 22, 2017, 01:18:01 pm
It's still a $4.7m loss.


UA officials have determined the average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial’s $3.7 million, and that the difference in net revenue for 2018 and beyond is projected to rise to $4.7 million per game.

Fuzzy math.
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hogsanity

I do not think I even care anymore. Build a stadium like DWWRS is, then move two games a year off campus. Oh well, if it keeps a few people from having to drive to see the team ( like most fans of most teams actually do, drive to the games ) then I guess it is worth it................
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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Captain Morgan

Quote from: hogsanity on November 22, 2017, 02:26:15 pm
I do not think I even care anymore. Build a stadium like DWWRS is, then move two games a year off campus. Oh well, if it keeps a few people from having to drive to see the team ( like most fans of most teams actually do, drive to the games ) then I guess it is worth it................

People are just lazy. You can get to any part of the state to another part in 6 hours. Some fans on the eastern part of the state think Arkansas is as big as Montana in terms of commuting

311Hog

Quote from: Captain Morgan on November 22, 2017, 02:33:19 pm
People are just lazy. You can get to any part of the state to another part in 6 hours. Some fans on the eastern part of the state think Arkansas is as big as Montana in terms of commuting

honestly i understand the $$ aspect of it for people some people can't afford to go to NWA.  Hell some in NWA can't afford to go to Little Rock, but as cold as it may sound it isn't the Universities job to make it happen for them or for the people who could afford to buy season tickets for the entire state either.

That is why there are TV's people aren't meant to attend all games or any games that is a commodity like anything else.

Piggfoot

Quote from: ricepig on November 22, 2017, 01:18:01 pm
It's still a $4.7m loss.


UA officials have determined the average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial's $3.7 million, and that the difference in net revenue for 2018 and beyond is projected to rise to $4.7 million per game.
Sounds to me like another University exaggeration similiar to some of their announced attendances at RRS.
Hog fan since 1960. So thankful for Sam Pittman.

AirWarren

Quote from: ShadowTheHedgehog on November 22, 2017, 02:02:58 pm
LMAO what? 1) the Razorbacks are from NWA, and 2) the attendance at WMS was horrible before the season went down the toilet.

Last time I checked it's the ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS.

NOT NWA RAZORBACKS.

Fan1958

Quote from: hobhog on November 22, 2017, 12:59:47 pm
You hate WMS, Little Rock, and everything south of NWA. We get it. Why be so divisive? Who did you so wrong to be so bitter?

Regardless- I think Ole Miss will be a fitting last game in WMS. New coach and excited fanbase should mean packed house to say goodbye.

Don't hold your breath on that.
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311Hog

Quote from: AP85 on November 22, 2017, 02:38:52 pm
Last time I checked it's the ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS.

NOT NWA RAZORBACKS.

It is actually the UNIVERSITY of ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS.  Tell me where is the school located ?

I am pretty sure you are from Warren right? if you went to Warren High school would you expect to play your "home" games 3 hours away in an inferior venue ?

Dwight_K_Shrute

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 22, 2017, 12:45:58 pm
Arkansas will travel to face Ole Miss on the road in 2018.
Quote from: The_Iceman on November 22, 2017, 12:51:30 pm
HOME games for Arkansas in 2018 will now be:

Eastern Illinois
North Texas
Alabama
Tulsa
Vanderbilt
LSU

Two good games and four bad games in the grand opening year of the newly renovated RAZORBACK STADIUM.

Yeah, that's just stupid.  Everyone thought it was going to be Vandy.  This is what happens when the GOB's are back in charge.  Might as well going back to using telegraphs for communication, you know tradition and what not.
Little known fact, but prior to settling on Guantanamo, the Pentagon wanted to house terror suspects at War Memorial Stadium.  It was deemed to be cruel and unusual punishment and in violation of the Geneva Convention.

ricepig


Fan1958

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 22, 2017, 12:45:58 pm
Arkansas will travel to face Ole Miss on the road in 2018.

And that (Bielema's) attitude rubbed off on the players and most likely cost them at least one victory there, darned near cost them another, and lost one which was very winnable.
Conservatives have always proudly proclaimed themselves to be conservative.  Liberals are now "Progressives"?  Must be terrible to have to hide what you really are.

I like smites.  That's how I know I'm really pissing off the "Progressives".

TNhawgfan

Agree with the idea of having the mizzou game permanently at WMS. Was always a good thanksgiving crowd for the LSU game, and as stated earlier, most students are gone
I'd rather be dead than be a Vol

ricepig

Quote from: Piggfoot on November 22, 2017, 02:38:21 pm
Sounds to me like another University exaggeration similiar to some of their announced attendances at RRS.

It's part of a FOIA from the ADG, have them show you the emails.

WilsonHog

Being a guy who favors negotiation, I can live with it. Two, if need be.

ricepig

Quote from: Arkansas Traveler on November 22, 2017, 02:43:46 pm
Being a guy who favors negotiation, I can live with it. Two, if need be.

What would the "need" be?

tbhogfan

Quote from: _Hamlet_ on November 22, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
This pissses me off. Hosting games like this in LR is where the Athletic Dept will lose most of their money. 30K fans v. 60-70K fans. Money matters.
Then don't attend.  Me and 55,000 of my best friends will be there, so don't worry. 
Go Hogs!

ricepig

Quote from: tbhogfan on November 22, 2017, 02:45:28 pm
Then don't attend.  Me and 55,000 of my best friends will be there, so don't worry. 

Like the previous 5 games there?

Fan1958

And all we hear and read is that the new AD and coach need to "understand" the Arkansas traditions and values.  Well, nothing is more traditional than playing in WMS.  That venue made the program what it was before Bielema got here and poor mouthed playing there and it rubbed off on the players. 

How's that gig in Arlington working out every year?  He must have bitched about that one too.
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007 License To Squeal

Quote from: 311Hog on November 22, 2017, 02:40:40 pm
It is actually the UNIVERSITY of ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS.  Tell me where is the school located ?

I am pretty sure you are from Warren right? if you went to Warren High school would you expect to play your "home" games 3 hours away in an inferior venue ?

That's not even close to a comparable example.
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Dwight_K_Shrute

Quote from: Fan1958 on November 22, 2017, 02:42:07 pm
And that (Bielema's) attitude rubbed off on the players and most likely cost them at least one victory there, darned near cost them another, and lost one which was very winnable.

You think BP liked playing there.  All coaches like routine.  All coaches would prefer to play as many games as possible on the same field.
Little known fact, but prior to settling on Guantanamo, the Pentagon wanted to house terror suspects at War Memorial Stadium.  It was deemed to be cruel and unusual punishment and in violation of the Geneva Convention.

ricepig

Gus supporters don't want to travel from the kingdom, must mean Norvell or Leach as the new HC..... ;)

bphi11ips

Quote from: ricepig on November 22, 2017, 02:41:46 pm
Usually is when it goes against your line of thinking....

Or when it is used to support a purpose driven Power Point.
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

Qbackinman

Quote from: _Hamlet_ on November 22, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
This pissses me off. Hosting games like this in LR is where the Athletic Dept will lose most of their money. 30K fans v. 60-70K fans. Money matters.
Now Mr. Long, you have no say anymore.

AirWarren

Quote from: 311Hog on November 22, 2017, 02:40:40 pm
It is actually the UNIVERSITY of ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS.  Tell me where is the school located ?

I am pretty sure you are from Warren right? if you went to Warren High school would you expect to play your "home" games 3 hours away in an inferior venue ?

We usually open the season up at WMS for "classics". Hell Warren has played at UAPB, UCA, and DWRRS to open the season.

And it's the ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS. This hog shirt I'm wearing doesn't say university on it.

I'm sure you love the southwest classic too?

hobhog

It will be the last game there. Why are the WMS haters getting so upset? Its the final game of the contract and not a surprise. Good grief some people aren't happy unless they can whine about something.

The_Iceman

Maybe some of us just don't see why you would give up $millions to play away from our HOME stadium, when our home stadium will be an 80,000 masterpiece?

311Hog

Quote from: AP85 on November 22, 2017, 02:50:55 pm
We usually open the season up at WMS for "classics". Hell Warren has played at UAPB, UCA, and DWRRS to open the season.

And it's the ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS. This hog shirt I'm wearing doesn't say university on it.

I'm sure you love the southwest classic too?

exactly a superior venue not an inferior one. 

Sorry but it is the University of Arkansas Razorbacks.  Student athlete ? that means a school.

I liked the SW classic when A&M wasn't in the SEC, but now ? no  but again that is an "upgrade" in venue and exposure.  WMS is neither of those things and it isn't even close to it.

Fact is WMS and whom ever owns/controls/responsible for it needs to take some of that money the UofA has paid them all these years and do something with it.

The_Iceman

Quote from: 311Hog on November 22, 2017, 02:54:45 pm

Fact is WMS and whom ever owns/controls/responsible for it needs to take some of that money the UofA has paid them all these years and do something with it.

Or save their money and just get rid of it and make the couple hour drive up I-49/540 to our beautiful, newly renovated, HOME stadium that is ON CAMPUS.

Fan1958

Quote from: Dwight_K_Shrute on November 22, 2017, 02:48:38 pm
You think BP liked playing there.  All coaches like routine.  All coaches would prefer to play as many games as possible on the same field.

Didn't matter.  He won because he adapted to the conditions and didn't publicly piss and moan about it and then have one of his marginal players echo that sentiment.
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I like smites.  That's how I know I'm really pissing off the "Progressives".

Uncommon


cosmodrum

Just make UAMS the new Old Main and be done with it.
Go away, batin'

yraciv

Was this the temporary AD's call during her brief reign of power? I'm just curious!  I'm ok with giving Little Rock the Ole Miss game over Vandy as long as this is the last one, but if we lock into another contract I'll be pissed!  Yes I have had many a fun times there, but like other on here believe its time has passed. We've got a great home stadium, that makes us much more revenue per game.

lakecityhog

average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial's $3.7 million,

7.4-3.7= 4.7???  I kinda call that fuzzy math myself. Again, the Football Program is NOT hurting for money they give money to the general fund fairly often. This isn't about money, except maybe from a Long viewpoint.

I don't have an issue with moving all games to Fayetteville it is what every school does. I would rather see a game in Little Rock as a way to remind us and honor our past. As ASU and UCA continue to grow and IF UALR does someday decide to field a football program having a presence in Little Rock might still be a very good idea. But what the hell, why look to the future.

toxichog

I think this is a very wise choice of an SEC opponent.  With the pitiful crowds we've had in Little Rock the last few years ( including Georgia ), playing Ole Miss could could bring a large visiting crowd since they are so close.  Certainly more than Vanderbilt, which many had speculated would be the opponent.

311Hog

Quote from: lakecityhog on November 22, 2017, 03:05:48 pm
average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial's $3.7 million,

7.4-3.7= 4.7???  I kinda call that fuzzy math myself. Again, the Football Program is NOT hurting for money they give money to the general fund fairly often. This isn't about money, except maybe from a Long viewpoint.

I don't have an issue with moving all games to Fayetteville it is what every school does. I would rather see a game in Little Rock as a way to remind us and honor our past. As ASU and UCA continue to grow and IF UALR does someday decide to field a football program having a presence in Little Rock might still be a very good idea. But what the hell, why look to the future.

I would assume that is a typo not fuzzy math it should obviously be 3.7 (half).  The UofA maybe hurting for money in the future if you see some on this board spending money like water.  What if Monday we find out that the UofA spent 30 mil on a new AD and new coach and to get rid of the old AD and coach?

All WMS has to do is invest in itself and alot of this issue will go away but they won't because they again want the UofA to do it for them. I thought people were against hand outs?

Uncommon

Quote from: lakecityhog on November 22, 2017, 03:05:48 pm
I would rather see a game in Little Rock as a way to remind us and honor our past.
The only past I want honored is the uniforms, font, and soft drink of the Razorbacks.  Could also honor a certain former basketball coach and logo in the middle of the basketball court.

ricepig

Quote from: lakecityhog on November 22, 2017, 03:05:48 pm
average per-game net revenue at Razorback Stadium is $7.4 million, double that of War Memorial's $3.7 million,

7.4-3.7= 4.7???  I kinda call that fuzzy math myself. Again, the Football Program is NOT hurting for money they give money to the general fund fairly often. This isn't about money, except maybe from a Long viewpoint.

I don't have an issue with moving all games to Fayetteville it is what every school does. I would rather see a game in Little Rock as a way to remind us and honor our past. As ASU and UCA continue to grow and IF UALR does someday decide to field a football program having a presence in Little Rock might still be a very good idea. But what the hell, why look to the future.

Projecting from 2018 and beyond, it's said to be $4.7m, think NEZ income.

jvanhorn

Quote from: Hog Pharm on November 22, 2017, 12:53:47 pm
Not sure I would classify Ole Miss as a good game and Vandy as bad next year.
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And Tulsa is usually decent and, some years, even better than that.

AirWarren

Quote from: cosmodrum on November 22, 2017, 03:01:23 pm
Just make UAMS the new Old Main and be done with it.

UAMS certainly puts out more productive and lucrative citizens that UAF ever will.


cc

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 22, 2017, 12:57:52 pm
Yeah, and it will make the annoying Mizzou fans travel 3 hours further for the game.

It does make sense with the students gone.

AirWarren


jvanhorn

Quote from: Uncommon on November 22, 2017, 03:00:44 pm
High five to the OP.

My father always used to say don't turn ant hill into a mountain which, I guess, is another way of saying don't sweat the small stuff.  One game in Little Rock is not what is holding the Razorbacks back.  I know the baseball team plays a game there and, if they don't they should, the basketball team.  If you have a good team they will overcome this small bump in the road.  I wish this was the biggest problem they had.

SPAL

I was for moving all games to Fayetteville. For several reasons already mention.

Looking at it now, I think we should continue to play one big conference game there. We need central Arkansas. We need their passion, their fans, the recruits. Let's get back to one state like it was under Houston Nutt.

The pride of the razorbacks is gone. I was a NWA snob. I was wrong.

AirWarren

Quote from: sir-pigs-a-lot on November 22, 2017, 03:18:34 pm
I was for moving all games to Fayetteville. For several reasons already mention.

Looking at it now, I think we should continue to play one big conference game there. We need central Arkansas. We need their passion, their fans, the recruits. Let's get back to one state like it was under Houston Nutt.

The pride of the razorbacks is gone. I was a NWA snob. I was wrong.

Not sure if serious.