Rate lose to App State

[dishhog10]

In the history of Arkansas sports, where would this loss rank?   I would put it the #2 all time worst loss behind the football loss to the Citadel.    Before any of you say "How bad could it be, App State beat Michigan in football" consider this:  App State is 5-5 overall and is   0-2 in the Southern Conference.    Arkansas just got beat at home by a bad lower level school.     I personally have never been this ashamed of our basketball team. 

[Beaverfever]

There have been much worse losses.  App St isn't that bad of a team and they played out of their minds yesterday.

[Hawg414]

No way.   That team could not miss a 3 pt shot in the 1st 1/2.
They made every basket down the stretch when we had cut it to 4.
We have Stan talent when it comes to Pure Shooting,  Ball handling, and Free throws.

none of that changes the assertion made in the original post.

[Modsquad24]

man you havent been alive very long huh? in 1998 the razorback basketball team lost to NAIA Peurto Rico American that would be #2, las vegas bowl # 3 and so on.

[Brand X Hog Fan]

I dunno, maybe it was a bad loss but I doubt it was the worst. Seems like I remember us losing to McNeese St. or somebody back in Eddie's first season. I don't count it a terrible loss at face value because Appy St. played the game of their lives. Like Pel said in the post game interview with Mike, he has his faith so he knows it happened for a reason.

[Ex-Trumpet]

In the history of Arkansas sports, where would this loss rank?   I would put it the #2 all time worst loss behind the football loss to the Citadel.    Before any of you say "How bad could it be, App State beat Michigan in football" consider this:  App State is 5-5 overall and is   0-2 in the Southern Conference.    Arkansas just got beat at home by a bad lower level school.     I personally have never been this ashamed of our basketball team. 

Bad loss, yes, but it wasn't a home game...but that's another debate!!

[ErieHog]

Not even close to #2.      App. State can make the NCAA tournament, if everything goes perfectly for them, whereas we have lost to multiple lower-classification opponents in basketball, including an NAIA opponent.

[gates4president]

This was the worst loss in School history!!  This team has NCAA tournament talent (evident of the past two years) and they can't even beat Appy State!!  Terrible loss!! I blame it on the coaches!!

[lrhog2007]

Not even close to my top 10. 

Is it just me or do these guys just not know how to win?  Some teams just get it.  They win close games.  They win in big blowouts.  They win at home, on the road, and a neutral sites.  It's a mentality thing, not a talent thing.  This team is loaded with seniors who are just plain used to losing. 

[gates4president]

I don't think it was the worst loss in school history.  And I don't think it's the coaches fault. 

You are right!  I don't think it was the worst loss in school history nor the coaches fault!  I KNOW IT WAS BOTH!

[want2be]

Pel has taken some lazy, out of shape, unrespectfull player and made them disciplined, in shape, and running 40 minutes of Pel

I do think Pel could have made some better half time adjustments to keep them from scoring in the middle so easy

COACH CAN'T SHOOT FREE THROWS FOR PLAYERS
COACH CAN'T SHOOT 3-POINTER FOR PLAYERS
IT IS HARD TO BE CONSISTENT WITHOUT A TRUE POINT GUARD
STEVEN HILL IS A WASTE OF A 7 FOOTER

Saying that I think this loss happened at a good time and they will never forget how lowsy they played

[chiefsfan]

you think this was the worse loss in school history, but we forget the loss to AU-Puerto Rico  in 98.   and you also forget a very important loss in school history

There is a reason there is a policy against playing instate schools here, and thats because the last time Arkansas played an instate school in the regular season, they lost...to Harding

[Brass Knob]

This was definitely a terrible loss and something all Hog fans are probably ashamed of, or at least should be..... The worst loss in school history is probably a little extreme, probably in the top 7 or so.....
However, I also dont think saying this isnt a bad loss because they shot "out of their minds"....... That is because we dont play defense...... no team should shoot 67% against you! That is ridiculous.....And lets face it almost anyone could shoot that good if you gave them layups and dunks all day and then when you decide to take a three no one is anywhere near you......  think that is just a testament to poor defense...

[PORKER1]

Thats what happens when you take teams for granted. This team isn't that good to be doing that.

[slopinhogs]

to quote weems." there is no way in Hell we are supposed to lose to appalachia state team" no way.we found a way.

[hogsanity]

BAd loss, yes, but not even close to the worst loss in school history.

In BB we have lost to Western Carolina, American University Puerto Rico, some La directiona school when we were ranked in the top 10, Troy, ORU, Baylor when we had Day/Mayberry/Miller, SC last year. 

[chiefsfan]

BAd loss, yes, but not even close to the worst loss in school history.

In BB we have lost to Western Carolina, American University Puerto Rico, some La directiona school when we were ranked in the top 10, Troy, ORU, Baylor when we had Day/Mayberry/Miller, SC last year. 

I hope by SC you meant South Carolina and not Southern California

[HawgG]

COACH CAN'T SHOOT FREE THROWS FOR PLAYERS
COACH CAN'T SHOOT 3-POINTER FOR PLAYERS
IT IS HARD TO BE CONSISTENT WITHOUT A TRUE POINT GUARD
STEVEN HILL IS A WASTE OF A 7 FOOTER

I'd be willing to bet that you weren't saying that last season, or the season before that, or the season before that one either.

Hmmmm, I wonder what is the difference now?

BTW if you were saying that samething then I would like some proof.

Another BTW, I like your avatar.

[hogfan064]

Didn't App State when 25+ games last year?

[Bama Hog™]

In the history of Arkansas sports, where would this loss rank?   I would put it the #2 all time worst loss behind the football loss to the Citadel.    Before any of you say "How bad could it be, App State beat Michigan in football" consider this:  App State is 5-5 overall and is   0-2 in the Southern Conference.    Arkansas just got beat at home by a bad lower level school.     I personally have never been this ashamed of our basketball team. 

Personally, losing in the first round of the NCAA tourny is much worse than this lose. It sucks nonetheless.

[Brass Knob]

Didn't App State when 25+ games last year?

Forget what they did last year...... Players come and go in the NCAA, i dont know how many returners they had for this year, but they were 4-5 coming into this game!  There record last year had no bearing on that game, because they were 4-5! 0-2 in their conference the SoCon.... Pretty bad!

[VenturaHog]

Do you follow college basketball? If so, you would realize that App State is good, that mid majors are a huge force in the sport, and that upsets like this are getting more and more common.

[hog.goblin]

In the history of Arkansas sports, where would this loss rank?   I would put it the #2 all time worst loss behind the football loss to the Citadel.    Before any of you say "How bad could it be, App State beat Michigan in football" consider this:  App State is 5-5 overall and is   0-2 in the Southern Conference.    Arkansas just got beat at home by a bad lower level school.     I personally have never been this ashamed of our basketball team. 

Check the content behind your stats.  This is the #2 worst all-time post on Hogville.

[Michael11]

none of that changes the assertion made in the original post.

No way.   That team could not miss a 3 pt shot in the 1st 1/2.
They made every basket down the stretch when we had cut it to 4.
We have Stan talent when it comes to Pure Shooting,  Ball handling, and Free throws.

I keep hearing how well they shot 3's. They made 6 of them. 6! not 16

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

It's certainly not a good thing.  Luckily you can survive more losses in hoops than you can in football.  I mean if this team improves throughout the year and makes a decent run in the tourney sweet 16 or better then this loss will be forgotten by any and everyone not associated with app st.   

that being said we do now have something in common with lloyd carr

[jkstock04]

Those of you downplaying this loss must be forgetting their 5-5 overally record this year.  To me that means bad things for us.  I'm 100% sure we'll bounce back and play some good basketball down the stretch...but I ain't expecting much.

As we've discussed before...this group of players just ain't got it.  They're just not real talented...period.  I, personally, was duped by the talking heads into believing that we had awsome talent but a sub-par coach.  It's now obvious to me that we don't have the talent I once thought we had.

We're an average basketball team...so we should expect average results...similar to last year.  I expect we'll win maybe 20 games...and be on the bubble for the NCAA tourney. 

[12247]

I also believed these players were better than they are.  We don't have a clutch shooter or stopper on defense.  We don't have players than can respond to adversity.  Our players look good in uniform, but are horrible under pressure.  So far Pel hasn't put any team in these players.  I thought Heath couldn't coach, but could recruit.  Seems I was wrong.  I don't think he could recruit and now not so sure about his coaching as these players may not be coachable. 

[Albert Einswine]

In the history of Arkansas sports, where would this loss rank?   I would put it the #2 all time worst loss behind the football loss to the Citadel.    Before any of you say "How bad could it be, App State beat Michigan in football" consider this:  App State is 5-5 overall and is   0-2 in the Southern Conference.    Arkansas just got beat at home by a bad lower level school.     I personally have never been this ashamed of our basketball team. 

Take a deep breath.  Now.........  it's only basketball....... and,  unlike football,  it can be redeemed during the conference race,  the conference tournament and the postseason tournament.

Or not.......... in which case,  THANK GOD FOR FOOTBALL!

[Fatty McGee]

I also believed these players were better than they are.  We don't have a clutch shooter or stopper on defense.  We don't have players than can respond to adversity.  Our players look good in uniform, but are horrible under pressure.  So far Pel hasn't put any team in these players.  I thought Heath couldn't coach, but could recruit.  Seems I was wrong.  I don't think he could recruit and now not so sure about his coaching as these players may not be coachable. 

A basketball team requires a point guard.  Without that, you can have no halfcourt offense.  Pelphrey is doing all he can to mask that deficiency by speeding up the game, but at the end of the day it's going to be a problem against a patient team.

We lack a true point guard, and so will struggle to get good looks and will have numerous bad shooting nights.  That won't change until next year.

[spudhog]

app state played out of their mind. combine that with our free throw shooting, to's, and selectively bad defense, hard to argue with the result. we lost it but app st also won it. not like the citadel, vandy or that one coastal carolina (or whoever it was) that stan lost too.