Worst loss in the history of the school?

[Brass Knob]

i am only 20 so i havent i do not know to much about our history, but have we ever suffered a worse or more embarrassing lose?  I really dont think so...  This is a joke!  We need to just set a whole new starting roster...... But seriously have we ever lost to a D II school?  What a joke!  Ok so realize they are not D II now but that is still a really bad loss..... We can not afford to loss these games if we want to play in the NCAA tourny..... It is to the point that we are going to have to tear up in SEC play or win the conference championship.

[Kevin]

app state is division 1, they play in the southern conference

[catfanNar]

Now you know what it's like to be a cat fan this year! I say the worst loss for you was to AU-Puerto Rico

[Brass Knob]

Well at least they are a D I school but this is still pathetic...

[jry04]

i am only 20 so i havent i do not know to much about our history, but have we ever suffered a worse or more embarrassing lose?  I really dont think so...  This is a joke!  We need to just set a whole new starting roster...... But seriously have we ever lost to a D II school?  What a joke!

ASU isn't DII.....what makes you think that? They aren't even DII in football.

No, losing to a team that will play in the post season is not the worst loss.

[MF]

They missed three shots including free throws the entire second half and shot something like 67% for the game.  Sometimes teams have hot days.  They had one today.  That's basketball and why it's been how many years since any college basketball team went undefeated?

[BigHog396]

I am guessing you meant worst loss in school history... and no, it's not the worst loss in school history.

They also need to quit screwing around and playing games in Little Rock.  We have a home basketball arena, and need to play our home games there.  What are we, like 2-6 since we started playing games at Alltel?

[ErieHog]

They missed three shots including free throws the entire second half and shot something like 67% for the game.  Sometimes teams have hot days.  They had one today.  That's basketball and why it's been how many years since any college basketball team went undefeated?

31 years, as a general FYI.

[Oliver]

Has a Razorback basketball team that returned all of it's starters from a year ago (and made a trip to the NCAAT) lost to a Division I-AA team the very next year?

[tkhog]

Basketball doesn't have 1-AA. They're in the same division as us.

[ErieHog]

Has a Razorback basketball team that returned all of it's starters from a year ago (and made a trip to the NCAAT) lost to a Division I-AA team the very next year?

Nope.  Still hasn't, either.

[yraciv]

They are Division I, not IAA!  They wen't 25-7 last year, and were on the bubble for an at large to the NCAA Tournament.  This is starting to get ridiculous.

[Newcoachplease]

At least we lost to them in basketball and not football.

And they are division I guys!! Not 1-AA or Div II

if you dont bring your A game everyday in basketball, some other team can get hot and beat ya

[grayhawg]

Lighten up guys, better times ahead.

[Brass Knob]

Lighten up guys, better times ahead.

When and what are you basing that on?  That has what we have been telling ourselves for years and we seemingly underachieve every year!

[heathtits]

When and what are you basing that on?  That has what we have been telling ourselves for years and we seemingly underachieve every year!

Dude drop it. For one you're calling this the worst "lose" in school history when it's nowhere close and two you're judging that based on App St's Football upset of Michigan and not on their basketball team. As said before they are a Div 1, NCAA tournament team. You know nothing.

[Oliver]

They are Division I, not IAA!  They wen't 25-7 last year, and were on the bubble for an at large to the NCAA Tournament.  This is starting to get ridiculous.

Yes.  Making excuses for why we can't beat these teams anymore is getting ridiculous. 

[fdx flyer]

We beat North Carolina with Jordan in Pine Bluff for crying out loud.   It shouldn't matter where the game is played - it's how it's played.

[heathtits]

Yes.  Making excuses for why we can't beat these teams anymore is getting ridiculous. 

There is no excuse but what else can you do about it? Shots just didn't fall, there were some ridiculous calls that went against us and they shot out of this world from the field and free-throw line. It happens all the time. Look at us last year, we were nearly undefeated in pre-season and ended up barely making the NCAA tourni. I'd much rather this team peak later than earlier. Besides there's no denying the fact it's right before Christmas. Hold your judgements until after SEC play starts.

[PorcineSublime]

Lighten up guys, better times ahead.

Considering no one except Vandy,TN, and Ole miss are tearing it up, I would say we will do OK once SEC starts. If we can't play better D than we did today though, all bets are off. There was a reason that ASU was 67% and it was not their good form from the three point line. Anytime you let the opposing team have layups all day, their percentage will be pretty good. Worse defensive game in recent memory.

[Brass Knob]

Dude drop it. For one you're calling this the worst "lose" in school history when it's nowhere close and two you're judging that based on App St's Football upset of Michigan and not on their basketball team. As said before they are a Div 1, NCAA tournament team. You know nothing.
[/quote]

Read on man.... I went on to say i realize they are a D I program....Ok I will give you calling it the worst lose was extreme but just several games of frustration culminating in this lose came out.... However, calling this a bad lose based on their weak football tradition? What?  Didnt they just win their third straight title..... And yes they were 25-7 last year but they play in the SoCon.... We are supposed to be contenders for an SEC title.... That makes this an embarrassing loss on any level.....

[heathtits]

Considering no one except Vandy,TN, and Ole miss are tearing it up, I would say we will do OK once SEC starts. If we can't play better D than we did today though, all bets are off. There was a reason that ASU was 67% and it was not their good form from the three point line. Anytime you let the opposing team have layups all day, their percentage will be pretty good. Worse defensive game in recent memory.

Low post defensively. The rest was fine. Simms hit a HUGE three about 2 feet off the line falling down right near the end when their lead was only 2. We also forced 22 turnovers last I heard on TV. The press was fine in the back-court, but once they got the ball into the front court, we fell apart.

But on a darker note, these losses are very heathesque with the late 2nd half meltdowns.

[PorcineSublime]

Low post defensively. The rest was fine. Simms hit a HUGE three about 2 feet off the line falling down. We also forced 22 turnovers last I heard on TV. The press was fine in the back-court, but once they got the ball into the front court, we fell apart.

Agreed, I should have been more specific and said post D. Hill has disappeared and apparently today was Townes turn to go look for him. No one even came close to stopping what will likely be an average post player. Everyone has games like this. It is just that we have had two out of the last three.

[tkhog]

This was a really bad lose. I cant believe we losed to ASU. I mean Pel shouldn't have loses like this. What the hell is a lose?

[ErieHog]

This was a really bad lose. I cant believe we losed to ASU. I mean Pel shouldn't have loses like this. What the hell is a lose?

For Mirriam-Webster's 12th alternative definition of lose is  'To vomit or regurgitate' -- not a bad description of today's play :/

[LoseAnutt]

there is not division 1AA in basketball. applachian state is division 1-AA in football and div 1 (like us) in basketball.

[want2be]

Too much hate going on here...........I just want you all to have a decent Avatar to look at..........lighten up!!

[cowboym]

You can edit the title of your thread and also your post's.  Then you won't look dumber than a door knob.  At least try to use semi-passable english when you post something.

[Oliver]

There is no excuse but what else can you do about it? Shots just didn't fall, there were some ridiculous calls that went against us and they shot out of this world from the field and free-throw line. It happens all the time. Look at us last year, we were nearly undefeated in pre-season and ended up barely making the NCAA tourni. I'd much rather this team peak later than earlier. Besides there's no denying the fact it's right before Christmas. Hold your judgements until after SEC play starts.

Here's what you can do about it...you can stop candy-coating this team's performances.  I heard some people on 103.7 the Buzz talking about this game afterwards (not Shavers) and one of them said that this team will make the NCAA tournament.  We are NOT making the NCAA Tournament and it's somewhat concerning.  I know that these aren't Pelphrey's players and Pelprey definitely deserves 3 or 4 years before ultimately making a decision about his coaching abilities.  However, Heath made the NCAA tournament twice with this team.  This team has regressed since last year and that is what really concerns me.  SEC play is just going to make matters worse for this team.  Hell, Ole Miss is giving Clemson all they can handle tonight on the road.  They haven't even lost a game yet and they have light years less talent than we have on this team.

[HawgG]

This is the worse lost that I have ever seen which covers most of Nolan's days until the present.

[hogsanity]

This is the worse lost that I have ever seen which covers most of Nolan's days until the present.

We lost to Some naia team from Puerto Rico in a holiday tourney a few years ago, when nolan was still the coach.  We lost to Western Carolina at home during Heaths 1st or 2nd season.  This is a game we should have won, but no where near the worst loss in school history.

[Brass Knob]

We lost to Some naia team from Puerto Rico in a holiday tourney a few years ago, when nolan was still the coach.  We lost to Western Carolina at home during Heaths 1st or 2nd season.  This is a game we should have won, but no where near the worst loss in school history.

I am little young for the Nolan days, and i forgot about the the Western Carolina game, and with that said is not the worst lost but it was definitely bad

[hogsanity]

I am little young for the Nolan days, and i forgot about the the Western Carolina game, and with that said is not the worst lost but it was definitely bad

I will venture that this wont even be the worst loss this season.  We will probably get tanked by Baylor, or a bottom dweller in the SEC. 

[Brass Knob]

I sure as heck hope this is the worse loss.... if not we can kiss the NCAA tourny goodbye!  And that obviously would not be a good start for Coach Pel... Unfortunately I am afraid you may be right though, we just havent looked solid against anyone this year!

[hogsanity]

I sure as heck hope this is the worse loss.... if not we can kiss the NCAA tourny goodbye!  And that obviously would not be a good start for Coach Pel

This team now has to go atleast 9-7 in the sec, maybe 10-6 and win the rest of the ooc games to get in.  While the SEC is down this year, it is still tough to win 10 in this league.  Especailly with next to nothing from the PG position.

[40MINSOFHELL]

i am only 20 so i havent i do not know to much about our history, but have we ever suffered a worse or more embarrassing lose?  I really dont think so...  This is a joke!  We need to just set a whole new starting roster...... But seriously have we ever lost to a D II school?  What a joke!  Ok so realize they are not D II now but that is still a really bad loss..... We can not afford to loss these games if we want to play in the NCAA tourny..... It is to the point that we are going to have to tear up in SEC play or win the conference championship.

learn how to spell, it's loss not LOSE   

[Brass Knob]

This team now has to go atleast 9-7 in the sec, maybe 10-6 and win the rest of the ooc games to get in.  While the SEC is down this year, it is still tough to win 10 in this league.  Especailly with next to nothing from the PG position.

Thu, Jan 10        Auburn *       -       at Auburn, Ala.          8 p.m.     
   ESPN2
  Sun, Jan 13     Alabama *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      12:35 or 3:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Wed, Jan 16     South Carolina *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   
  Sat, Jan 19     Georgia *    -    at Athens, Ga.      6:05 p.m.    
   FSN
  Sat, Jan 26     LSU *    -    at Baton Rouge, La.      8 p.m.    
   ESPN Classic
  Wed, Jan 30     Mississippi St. *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 02     Florida *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      2:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 09     Ole Miss *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      4:05 p.m.    
   FSN/SS
  Wed, Feb 13     Tennessee *    -    at Knoxville, Tenn.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 16     Mississippi St. *    -    at Starkville, Miss.      3 p.m.    
   ESPN
  Wed, Feb 20     LSU *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 23     Kentucky *    -    at Lexington, Ky.      1:05 p.m.    
   CBS
  Wed, Feb 27     Alabama *    -    at Tuscaloosa, Ala.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Mar 01     Vanderbilt *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      3:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Tue, Mar 04     Ole Miss *    -    at Oxford, Miss.      8 p.m.    
   ESPN
  Sat, Mar 08     Auburn *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      2:05 p.m.    
There just are any gimme games, especially for us.... to go 9 and 6 would be a real feat for us.....

[Brass Knob]

learn how to spell, it's loss not LOSE   

Gee thanks i havent cought that yet.... i will be sure to proofreed every thing i post on here from know on..... Forgot gramatics was so important on the boards.

[BigHog396]

Ok, for those of you that apparently never finished third grade... it was a LOSS.  It was not a lose, it was not a lost, it was a LOSS.  And... I can think of at least 2 LOSSES in the last 5 years that were at least as bad as today's, if not worse.  In the '03 season we lost to Troy State, and in the '04 season we lost to Western Carolina.

I'm not saying today's game wasn't a bad loss, but with the parity in college basketball today, anyone can beat anyone.  We played a team that was lights-out shooting the ball, and our guys couldn't make their free throws.  If we would have just made a decent percentage from the free throw line, we probably would have won the game.

[BigHog396]

Thu, Jan 10        Auburn *       -       at Auburn, Ala.          8 p.m.     
   ESPN2
  Sun, Jan 13     Alabama *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      12:35 or 3:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Wed, Jan 16     South Carolina *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   
  Sat, Jan 19     Georgia *    -    at Athens, Ga.      6:05 p.m.    
   FSN
  Sat, Jan 26     LSU *    -    at Baton Rouge, La.      8 p.m.    
   ESPN Classic
  Wed, Jan 30     Mississippi St. *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 02     Florida *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      2:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 09     Ole Miss *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      4:05 p.m.    
   FSN/SS
  Wed, Feb 13     Tennessee *    -    at Knoxville, Tenn.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 16     Mississippi St. *    -    at Starkville, Miss.      3 p.m.    
   ESPN
  Wed, Feb 20     LSU *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Feb 23     Kentucky *    -    at Lexington, Ky.      1:05 p.m.    
   CBS
  Wed, Feb 27     Alabama *    -    at Tuscaloosa, Ala.      7:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Sat, Mar 01     Vanderbilt *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      3:05 p.m.    
   Raycom
  Tue, Mar 04     Ole Miss *    -    at Oxford, Miss.      8 p.m.    
   ESPN
  Sat, Mar 08     Auburn *    -    Fayetteville, Ark.      2:05 p.m.    
There just are any gimme games, especially for us.... to go 9 and 6 would be a real feat for us.....

9 and 6 would be one heck of a feat, expecially since we play 16 games in the SEC.

[mword]

app state is division 1, they play in the southern conference

Division 1 AA

[ErieHog]

Division 1 AA

Nope.  D1-A in basketball;  the Southern Conference members are eligible for the NCAA Tournament, and play as fully accredited members of the highest classification of college basketball.

[HawgG]

We lost to Some naia team from Puerto Rico in a holiday tourney a few years ago, when nolan was still the coach.  We lost to Western Carolina at home during Heaths 1st or 2nd season.  This is a game we should have won, but no where near the worst loss in school history.

You must remember to take into account the state on the program at the time of these loses.

I'll be willing to bet that Nolan's teams at the end were not on the level of this current team and I know that Stan's early teams were not even on the level of Nolan's weaker teams.

This '07-'08 team was preseason top 20 and picked to run away with the SECW(they haven't played yet so who knows)

BTW they played in LR which while not Bud Walton it is still pro Razorbacks.

[Blockisland]

We beat North Carolina with Jordan in Pine Bluff for crying out loud.   It shouldn't matter where the game is played - it's how it's played.

Yeah, and that was when we used peach baskets as baskets

[Brass Knob]

So that entire era of basketball shouldnt count?

[Desperate Hog]

Yeah, and that was when we used peach baskets as baskets

That was only 1984 and college basketball was a much better game.  the best players stayed at least 3 years if not 4 before going to the NBA.  Most sports improve as time goes on but college basketball has definitely regressed. 

I still have hope this team will be decent and win the sEC west.  it's still early .

[bcdeputy]

At least we lost to them in basketball and not football.

And they are division I guys!! Not 1-AA or Div II

if you dont bring your A game everyday in basketball, some other team can get hot and beat ya

Hey dude,  they did win the National Championship in I-AA football this year!!!  They're pretty good.

[Oliver]

This team now has to go atleast 9-7 in the sec, maybe 10-6 and win the rest of the ooc games to get in.  While the SEC is down this year, it is still tough to win 10 in this league.  Especailly with next to nothing from the PG position.

That's assuming we win the rest of our non-conference games and with Baylor coming up...that isn't going to happen.

[Brass Knob]

Hopefully this will wake our players up and they will realize that there is no such thing as a gimme game...... We are better than Baylor and there is no reason, especially after being embarrassed today, that we should drop that game.... In saying that i have been waiting on this team to wake up for a couple of years now and they just dont seem to get it..... i hope we get the W against them or Coach Pel is going to be rudely awakened to what an angry Razorback fan base is like..... And once we have wrote a coach off it seems really tough for him to regain the popularity necessary to be a head coach at the school..... Hope it doesnt go there that fast for him...Personally this year is a bit of a wash if he doesnt do incredible.... Not his players and most are not a good fit for his system..... next year is when i will really begin to watch him.....

[LRMedHawg]

I am not a big fan of playing home games away from BW either.  Anybody who has played basketball knows that courts and especially goals are different anywhere you go.  By playing down in LR we take away the advantage of knowing our own court.  Either way we should have won but App shot lights out and that is tough to beat.