CBB places blame on Petrino, JLS

[twistitup]

....they made Arkansas a tougher job

Challenges turning around the Ark program

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/bret-bielema-reveals-biggest-challenge-turning-around-arkansas-football/

[ricepig]

Looks like he does read HV.

[smb]

And after 5 years whose to blame?

[ricepig]

And after 5 years whose to blame?

whoiskid is to blame, doesn't surprise me.....

[widespreadsooie]

Pathetic

[Atlhogfan1]

Truth

Doesn't excuse some of what has happened like so few olinemen signed from HS ranks to develop, mismanagement of oline or the second half implosions.

He made a mistake taking the job as he didn't know what he was getting into.

[navyhog24]

If anything, Petrino's defensive recruits actually performed better than any of Bert's.

[jgphillips3]

Yep.  It sucks when a coach shows you can be top ten at Arkansas and an incompetent buffoon has to try to match that.

[rhames]

Has the rebuild been tougher than you thought? "Great question. I walked into the environment in Wisconsin and I already knew things. To walk into this situation, you want to have success in Year 1, whether it's X&O's, recruiting, etc. You miss landmines that could come up down the road. There are many different factors that come into it. All the drama to Petrino and the JL era, turned it into a tougher job. There's no one that wants to be positive these days, everyone wants to be negative. I'm excited, we just need to win games."



Man what a weird time to use that excuse.

[Ex-Trumpet]

....they made Arkansas a tougher job

Challenges turning around the Ark program

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/bret-bielema-reveals-biggest-challenge-turning-around-arkansas-football/

I gotta believe Penn State might have been a tougher turn around than Arkansas.

[The Boar War]

....they made Arkansas a tougher job

Challenges turning around the Ark program

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/bret-bielema-reveals-biggest-challenge-turning-around-arkansas-football/

He was specifically asked about what made the rebuild tougher.  I'm sure following a scandal and a one year interim coach who did nothing for 6 months did make this a tougher job than it otherwise would be.  Of course he hasmade mistakes along the way but he's not going to admit to them at this point.  Every sound bite is an interview for his next job.

[Atlhogfan1]

I gotta believe Penn State might have been a tougher turn around than Arkansas.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matter

No.  Sanctions were reduced significantly and their recruiting ability compared to most of the B1G allowed for a quick rebuild.

[gchamblee]

You took that from the article? Really? I guess if you want to see something bad enough, you'll see it regardless.

[Atlhogfan1]

Has the rebuild been tougher than you thought? "Great question. I walked into the environment in Wisconsin and I already knew things. To walk into this situation, you want to have success in Year 1, whether it's X&O's, recruiting, etc. You miss landmines that could come up down the road. There are many different factors that come into it. All the drama to Petrino and the JL era, turned it into a tougher job. There's no one that wants to be positive these days, everyone wants to be negative. I'm excited, we just need to win games."



Man what a weird time to use that excuse.

He answered a question. 

[Tweeter]

I think these statements he made tells me he's done at year end. 

[Ex-Trumpet]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matter

No.  Sanctions were reduced significantly and their recruiting ability compared to most of the B1G allowed for a quick rebuild.

Sanctions?  What about the scandal?  I'm pretty sure assaulting boys in the showers while the staff and admin covered it up is a bigger scandal regardless of sanctions.

[jst01]

I don't fault him for being honest. But he and his followers cant fault everyone else for being honest and realizing he just didn't have what it takes to turn the program around and win. He was on the verge, but didn't get it done.

[DeltaBoy]

He is realistic about his situation ,  The JLS issue and how Bobby left did make it harder for us to recruit.   He is coaching for his job the rest of the year.  A win Saturday would help him a ton.

[twistitup]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matter

No.  Sanctions were reduced significantly and their recruiting ability compared to most of the B1G allowed for a quick rebuild.

??

It was a child sex abuse scandal where former coaches went to prison and the Penn St fieldhouse and showers is where some of the crime occurred.....that is a bit more serious that a blonde, $$, and a motorcycle wreck

....but what do I know

[twistitup]

He is realistic about his situation ,  The JLS issue and how Bobby left did make it harder for us to recruit.   He is coaching for his job the rest of the year.  A win Saturday would help him a ton.

It's his 5th year - kids don't even remember what happened with Petrino / JLS - they just see us failing NOW

Remember last Saturday? Recruits watch those games and they don't put a positive spin on it like fellow Hogville posters try to do.

If you were a recruit and were the CURRENT product on the field, would you want to come to Fayetteville?

[AirWarren]

He is realistic about his situation ,  The JLS issue and how Bobby left did make it harder for us to recruit.   He is coaching for his job the rest of the year.  A win Saturday would help him a ton.

We need faster kids. Period.

[rhames]

He answered a question. 

Very true. Bret is always open about some things, unless it's expectations at the beginning of the season.  Then it's full on coach speak.


He is in a hard place because he is being honest but when you're losing games it sounds like excuses.

[Jim Harris]

Has the rebuild been tougher than you thought? "Great question. I walked into the environment in Wisconsin and I already knew things. To walk into this situation, you want to have success in Year 1, whether it's X&O's, recruiting, etc. You miss landmines that could come up down the road. There are many different factors that come into it. All the drama to Petrino and the JL era, turned it into a tougher job. There's no one that wants to be positive these days, everyone wants to be negative. I'm excited, we just need to win games."



Man what a weird time to use that excuse.

What does it even really mean? Sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.

[RagingHawgOn]

He is in a hard place because he is being honest but when you're losing games it sounds like excuses.

This.

And, some "fans" refuse to see it.

[rhames]

What does it even really mean? Sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook.

Oh I agree.

[twistitup]

Very true. Bret is always open about some times, unless it's expectations at the beginning of the season.  Then it's full on coach speak.


He is in a hard place because he is being honest but when you're losing games it sounds like excuses.

Or he could have used an honest approach coming in....."This is going to be a long term turnaround...we will get it done but there needs to be patience and time in allowing me to put a foundation in place"

Instead it was - I CAME TO WIN THE SEC....WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO PLAY BAMA WERE GOING TO BEAT BAMA

He needs to read up on the Tom Herman approach at Texas

[(notOM)Rebel123]

He is realistic about his situation ,  The JLS issue and how Bobby left did make it harder for us to recruit.   He is coaching for his job the rest of the year.  A win Saturday would help him a ton.

Agree. I didn't take it as making excuses. What he stated was fact. But even with the "challenges", he has had time to right the ship.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

HV once again lacks perspective of this interview. He was asked a bait question and he answered it. Let me shoe you how this works...

Reporter: "Bret, what made things harder than usual on you when you started?"

Bret: "—�— insert any answer —�—"

Reporter writes article entitled "Beileme BLAMES 'said reason' on Poor Record"

[Razorbackers]

Anyone who says they didn't make it harder for him is kidding themselves.

If he thinks that excuse is going to carry water in year 5 when all his recruits are on the field, he's kidding himself.

[twistitup]

It looks petty at this point to bring up Petrino and JLS .....in year 5, even if answering a question.

Similar to T still bringing up O - just a bad look

[Ham Ham Pigelow]

Give the guy credit for being honest.  He wasn't necessarily making an excuse about the current state of the program.  He simply answered a question about the rebuild and the dealing with the perception challenges.  Which, let's be honest, our program had been a comedy of errors since about 2008.

[rhames]

Or he could have used an honest approach coming in....."This is going to be a long term turnaround...we will get it done but there needs to be patience and time in allowing me to put a foundation in place"

Instead it was - I CAME TO WIN THE SEC....WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO PLAY BAMA WERE GOING TO BEAT BAMA

He needs to read up on the Tom Herman approach at Texas

I'm not disagreeing with you but they just have 2 different personalities.

It's easy for all of us to look back on what was said after the fact and pick it apart.


Truth is Bielema and the Arkansas job just seem like they weren't meant to be married.

[Razorbackers]

Or he could have used an honest approach coming in....."This is going to be a long term turnaround...we will get it done but there needs to be patience and time in allowing me to put a foundation in place"

Instead it was - I CAME TO WIN THE SEC....WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO PLAY BAMA WERE GOING TO BEAT BAMA

He needs to read up on the Tom Herman approach at Texas

I remember him being pretty candid about the expectations for that 2013 season.

[Hogwild]

I gotta believe Penn State might have been a tougher turn around than Arkansas.

O'Brien's teams didn't fall off the cliff, I believe he won 15 games the two years he was there.   Franklin took over, a team that had a winning % of 62.5, under the previous coach. Whoever replaces CBB will take over a team that has lost more games than they have won under the previous coach.

[Atlhogfan1]

??

It was a child sex abuse scandal where former coaches went to prison and the Penn St fieldhouse and showers is where some of the crime occurred.....that is a bit more serious that a blonde, $$, and a motorcycle wreck

....but what do I know

Obviously recruits haven't cared. The brand wasn't damaged to the point they couldn't recruit on a good level. When the NCAA gave back their scholarships so soon they weren't going to be down long. 

The players who stayed wanted to play for PS and were committed to the program.  We had a leaderless season which takes a culture change and a little time to get past.  Combine with our recruiting and it wasn't going to be a quick turnaround. 

[PonderinHog]

It's his 5th year - kids don't even remember what happened with Petrino / JLS - they just see us failing NOW

Remember last Saturday? Recruits watch those games and they don't put a positive spin on it like fellow Hogville posters try to do.

If you were a recruit and were the CURRENT product on the field, would you want to come to Fayetteville?

We need faster kids. Period.

Surely they could see the opportunity for immediate playing time.

[hoghearted]

Instead of blaming the past, why doesn't he just take ownership of his mistakes?

I can see talking about the motorcycle fiasco in year 2 or 3, but year 5? Sounds like a lot of deflection.

[RagingHawgOn]

Or he could have used an honest approach coming in....."This is going to be a long term turnaround...we will get it done but there needs to be patience and time in allowing me to put a foundation in place"

So, if he had said it would take 6-7 years you would've been happy?  Hell no.  You would've lambasted the hire from day one.

[Atlhogfan1]

Sanctions?  What about the scandal?  I'm pretty sure assaulting boys in the showers while the staff and admin covered it up is a bigger scandal regardless of sanctions.

What about it?  It is appalling they didn't suffer harsher consequences. But this is a flaw in the NCAA system. 

Recruits and the players who stayed weren't affected by it to the point it crippled the program.  A shame PS didn't get death penalty to put sports in the right perspective.

[Atlhogfan1]

Instead of blaming the past, why doesn't he just take ownership of his mistakes?

I can see talking about the motorcycle fiasco in year 2 or 3, but year 5? Sounds like a lot of deflection.

He answered a question.

[gchamblee]

Instead of blaming the past, why doesn't he just take ownership of his mistakes?

I can see talking about the motorcycle fiasco in year 2 or 3, but year 5? Sounds like a lot of deflection.

You didn't read the article I take it.

[hoghearted]

He answered a question.

I realize that. I was talking about his answer.

[WilsonHog]

I read somewhere this week that reasons for lack of success in year two sound like excuses in year 5.

Bottom line? Our job is not an easy one. It was made more difficulty by what Bret alluded to with Petrino and John L. Smith. Throw in the mix Bielema's football philosophy, which wasn't a great fit to begin with and is now being altered mid-stream, and you get his record at Arkansas and our present position.

[MissippHog]

You took that from the article? Really? I guess if you want to see something bad enough, you'll see it regardless.

I was thinking the same thing.  It's not like he isn't telling the truth.  The Petrino/JLS debacle did make it a tougher gig. 

[HognotinMemphis]

Sounds like Bret is excited. He used that word 5 or 6 times.

[smb]

Coach BB Quote"Allen continues to make strides. He (did not practice) but he could (play) Saturday". He is really unreal as a coach.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Why do you guys still take twistitup's threads seriously? Dude is a world champion level troll

[jkstock04]

Give the guy credit for being honest.  He wasn't necessarily making an excuse about the current state of the program.  He simply answered a question about the rebuild and the dealing with the perception challenges.  Which, let's be honest, our program had been a comedy of errors since about 2008.

Absolutely it was an excuse. Because of Bobby Petrino is why we suck this year. That's pretty much what he is saying.

What's interesting is one could make the argument that the more the Petrino recruits got recycled with his recruits the program continued its downward slide.

Razorback football is pretty neat these days. Gonna be a fun Saturday to watch Auburn smoke us into oblivion. Too bad Bielema doesn't have a 2007 version of Indiana to coach against and run the ball 100 times and pretend he's a football mastermind.

[Hoggish1]

I gotta believe Penn State might have been a tougher turn around than Arkansas.

Why do you have to believe that?

[98hogs]

Placing his O -Line on the cover of the media guide a couple of years back and bragging about the O-Line recruits he was getting.  He owns this.  Suck it up buttercup!