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College Football Hall of Fame...JIM TRESSEL??

Started by Tejano Jawg, January 09, 2015, 03:54:58 pm

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Tejano Jawg

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Inhogswetrust

Unbelievable. Just as questionable as Tressel is they also pegged the Boz! Does the college football HOF have no shame? I've now lost a lot of respect for it.
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Tejano Jawg

When I saw the headline (and Vest's pic) on my newsfeed, I almost fell out of my chair. Do they not remember HE IS A CRIMINAL who tarnished the spirit and integrity of college football? And was kicked out?

Also selected is the totally worthy Coach Bill Snyder. Snyder should refuse induction this year.
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Rzbakfromwaybak

January 09, 2015, 05:09:53 pm #4 Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 05:21:37 pm by Rzbakfromwaybak
First, the Heisman Trophy becomes a joke...after Cam the sham $$$ gets it.  Next, it's
Winston down at Criminal State University.

Now, they are trying to make the Hall of Fame a farce.  What a joke.  Guess it was getting fired at Ohio State for cheating, lying, etc......that sealed the deal on the Hall of Fame induction??  What exactly are the requirements for these awards??  Something needs to be changed....or we need to just do away with these things.
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Jek Tono Porkins

January 09, 2015, 05:20:32 pm #5 Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 05:45:56 pm by Jek Tono Porkins
Yeah, this is bad. Here is one of the criteria for inducting a coach into the College Football Hall of Fame:

1. While each nominee's football achievements are of prime consideration, his post-football record as a citizen is also weighed. He must have proven himself worthy as a citizen, carrying the ideals of football forward into his relations with his community and his fellow man with love of his country.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Jim Tressel's post-football record includes still being on a show-cause penalty. Think about that; the dude is STILL under NCAA sanctions and gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.
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They could have at least waited until his NCAA sanctions for lying and cheating were over.
The sanctions Tressell got aren't handed out everyday. It wasn't a slap on the wrist. It really diminishes the Hall of Fame - really bad move on their part.
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One more reason for me to hate Ohio State. Their sleazebag coaches get special treatment.
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SquidBilly

I'll take idiot sports figures for $500 Alex.

Tressel, Boz, and Ricky Williams. 

Who are three guys who never should be in any HOF?

Calling All Hogs

Quote from: jesterzzn on January 09, 2015, 08:02:01 pm
Switzer's in, right?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/barry-switzer-misdemeanor-charges
I like how Switzer admits local law enforcement helped him cover up misdemeanor charges against OU players but that was a different era and you couldn't do that today. Obviously Barry hasn't been to Tallahassee, Florida lately. 

Jek Tono Porkins

Quote from: Calling All Hogs on January 09, 2015, 09:59:25 pm
I like how Switzer admits local law enforcement helped him cover up misdemeanor charges against OU players but that was a different era and you couldn't do that today. Obviously Barry hasn't been to Tallahassee, Florida lately.

Quote"I'd have local county people call me and say, 'One of your guys is drunk and got in a fight and is jail down here.' And I'd go down and get him out. Or I'd send an assistant coach down to get his ass out," Switzer said Thursday. "The sheriff was a friend of the program. He didn't want the publicity. He himself knew this was something we didn't need to deal with in the media or anything with publicity."

This was standard operating procedure in college football, according to Switzer.

"This is back before social media and the Internet and all that," he said. "And most colleges ran it that way. Most coaches ran it that way. We all did."

I would most definitely have to defer to my elders on this point, but I sincerely doubt that this was the way Frank Broyles ran his football program.
Or Lou Holtz.
Or Ken Hatfield.
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hollywood hog

Quote from: Bret Squealema on January 09, 2015, 09:55:13 pm
I'll take idiot sports figures for $500 Alex.

Tressel, Boz, and Ricky Williams. 

Who are three guys who never should be in any HOF?

Ricky Williams should get in.  One of the greatest college backs of all time.  Nice guy.  Wasted his talent a little but it is his life to live. 

Augustus

I'm curious if a lot of the remarks on this thread just isn't butthurt over the Arkansas Sugar Bowl game?

Let's put aside emotion & bias for a minute, and consider Jim Tressel's accomplishments: A .810 record while at Ohio State, multiple Championships at the Div-II level, multiple Div-I (Big 10) conference Championships, multiple BCS Bowl wins, and a Div-I BCS national championship. Plus, an 8-1 Ohio State vs Michigan record, which many consider to be one of the top rivalries in College Football.

If we tried to equate Jim Tressel's performance to an Arkansas Coach? ...it sounds a lot like Nolan Richardson.

Nolan had multiple championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Conference championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Final Four appearances (the equivalent of a BCS Bowl), Nolan had a Div-I National Championship.

Both Tressel and Nolan were fired for their behavior in the last year or 2 years while at their job, no?

Would anyone here argue that Nolan shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, because of his behavior at the end of his coaching career at Arkansas? I didn't think so.

Let's put away the butthurt and bias, from one game, and recognize that both Tressel and Nolan were both elite coaches. And, deserve the recognition they got.

clutch

Quote from: Augustus on January 09, 2015, 11:08:50 pm
I'm curious if a lot of the remarks on this thread just isn't butthurt over the Arkansas Sugar Bowl game?

Let's put aside emotion & bias for a minute, and consider Jim Tressel's accomplishments: A .810 record while at Ohio State, multiple Championships at the Div-II level, multiple Div-I (Big 10) conference Championships, multiple BCS Bowl wins, and a Div-I BCS national championship. Plus, an 8-1 Ohio State vs Michigan record, which many consider to be one of the top rivalries in College Football.

If we tried to equate Jim Tressel's performance to an Arkansas Coach? ...it sounds a lot like Nolan Richardson.

Nolan had multiple championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Conference championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Final Four appearances (the equivalent of a BCS Bowl), Nolan had a Div-I National Championship.

Both Tressel and Nolan were fired for their behavior in the last year or 2 years while at their job, no?

Would anyone here argue that Nolan shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, because of his behavior at the end of his coaching career at Arkansas? I didn't think so.

Let's put away the butthurt and bias, from one game, and recognize that both Tressel and Nolan were both elite coaches. And, deserve the recognition they got.

I'm with you on this. He had the numbers. The tattoo scandal was the only thing that makes it questionable. No doubt the man was a hall of fame quality football coach when it comes strictly to the X's and O's.

Jek Tono Porkins

Quote from: Augustus on January 09, 2015, 11:08:50 pm
I'm curious if a lot of the remarks on this thread just isn't butthurt over the Arkansas Sugar Bowl game?

Let's put aside emotion & bias for a minute, and consider Jim Tressel's accomplishments: A .810 record while at Ohio State, multiple Championships at the Div-II level, multiple Div-I (Big 10) conference Championships, multiple BCS Bowl wins, and a Div-I BCS national championship. Plus, an 8-1 Ohio State vs Michigan record, which many consider to be one of the top rivalries in College Football.

If we tried to equate Jim Tressel's performance to an Arkansas Coach? ...it sounds a lot like Nolan Richardson.

Nolan had multiple championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Conference championships across divisions, Nolan had multiple Final Four appearances (the equivalent of a BCS Bowl), Nolan had a Div-I National Championship.

Both Tressel and Nolan were fired for their behavior in the last year or 2 years while at their job, no?

Would anyone here argue that Nolan shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, because of his behavior at the end of his coaching career at Arkansas? I didn't think so.

Let's put away the butthurt and bias, from one game, and recognize that both Tressel and Nolan were both elite coaches. And, deserve the recognition they got.
Let's put away with the nonsense. Nolan was fired for his behavior, Tressel was fired for breaking NCAA rules. There's an enormous difference.
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I have wanted things a poor man's born to want
And in all my dreams and memories I go running
Through the fields of Arkansas from which I sprung

Augustus

Quote from: Jek Tono Porkins on January 09, 2015, 11:27:44 pm
Let's put away with the nonsense. Nolan was fired for his behavior, Tressel was fired for breaking NCAA rules. There's an enormous difference.

Actually, I forgot... Tressel was never fired. He resigned. Nolan was fired. 

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Quote from: Jek Tono Porkins on January 09, 2015, 10:42:36 pm
I would most definitely have to defer to my elders on this point, but I sincerely doubt that this was the way Frank Broyles ran his football program.
Or Lou Holtz.
Or Ken Hatfield.

Eh.  It was the way FB ran his athletic department;  you can ask local media,  about Eddie Sutton and his FPD drivers, when he'd get tanked.     Eddie would never survive in the modern era.

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The College Football Hall of Fame has become a Hall of Shame or Sham, pick your choice.  Tressel being added is absolutely an outrage and deminishes this once honorable hall.
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Quote from: Albert Einswine on January 10, 2015, 11:33:25 am
Remember our very own Steve Korte? Benched 585 in the early '80s and was more pumped than Lou Ferrigno, but that was just good genetics, healthy diet, vitamins, protein supplements, vigorous exercise and yoga...
yoga lol
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Interesting... I guess Pete Rose is wishing he went the football route.

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Quote from: Jek Tono Porkins on January 09, 2015, 10:42:36 pm
I would most definitely have to defer to my elders on this point, but I sincerely doubt that this was the way Frank Broyles ran his football program.
Or Lou Holtz.
Or Ken Hatfield.

Defer.  Erie is correct.  Serves no purpose to name names at this late date, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has stories from the 60's, 70's & 80's.  Different world back then.

OldCoot

Quote from: Augustus on January 09, 2015, 11:40:23 pm
Actually, I forgot... Tressel was never fired. He resigned. Nolan was fired.

Your argument is useless.


Also, this happens and Pete Rose still isn't in the Cooperstown?


Tejano Jawg

Quote from: Augustus on January 09, 2015, 11:08:50 pm
I'm curious if a lot of the remarks on this thread just isn't butthurt over the Arkansas Sugar Bowl game?

Absolutely. I admit it. That's why I posted this in the first place. Had this been a random criminal who was at a Big 10 school, I wouldn't care. Why we all like or dislike coaches or players is PERSONAL...the coaches I truly despise are those who are involved in some incident with the Arkansas Razorbacks. Such as—
-Urban Meyer, after his smug arrogant dismissal of the horrible calls that got the referee crew suspended
-Steve Spurrier, not giving DMac his Heisman vote after getting a record rushing night put up on him
-Tressel, being complicit in his players' wrongdoings, making sure his players were eligible to play (had he upheld the 5 players suspensions, and had they still won, they would not have vacated the victory.)

And, for the record, we should have won that game several times over despite the suspended players playing.   

Quote from: Augustus on January 09, 2015, 11:08:50 pm
Let's put aside emotion & bias for a minute, and consider Jim Tressel's accomplishments: A .810 record while at Ohio State, multiple Championships at the Div-II level, multiple Div-I (Big 10) conference Championships, multiple BCS Bowl wins, and a Div-I BCS national championship. Plus, an 8-1 Ohio State vs Michigan record, which many consider to be one of the top rivalries in College Football.

Don't disagree with this—his accomplishments. However, there are people who had historic, legendary careers—but who did something that erased their highest honors, or, potential honors. Look at 3 players from different eras—Pete Rose, Reggie Bush, and even OJ Simpson. Their later actions (OJ's not sports-related) are why their schools, or sports, have a big black eyes. Or their trophy cases stripped bare.

The tattoo incident...who cares? (but there were more things than that.). Tressel's conscious and deliberate cover-up, and flat-out lying to the NCAA, got him kicked out of college football. Is anyone missing this part??

The integrity of the NCAA was questioned when all this started, then when the events all played out, we saw how foolish the NCAA looked for not enforcing their punishment in 'real time' like they should have...then, years later, having their last word in the subject—by putting into their Hall of Fame a person who was deceiving them and lying to their face.

On second thought, I've got this all wrong—the College Football Hall of Fame and Jim Tressel deserve each other!
Between McAfee being obnoxious and Corso decomposing before our eyes I can't even watch GameDay anymore. —Torqued Pork