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Busta_Nutt

Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?

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So we should hire Frank Beamer then?

Boss Hog in the Arkansas

That's right, you don't want to be the man to replace the man.  You want to be the man to replace Rory Segrest.

Busta_Nutt

Quote from: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on November 07, 2017, 03:04:31 pm
Did he ever go 3-9?

Yes, he actually went 2-9, 3-8, and 2-8-1 in three of those losing seasons.

hawganatic

We sucked before the injuries, and he's had five years to build this team, so the inexperience is because he's underrecruited and undercoached.

Nice try though.  Must be a millenial.  Nothing is ever anybody's fault...

apcapri

We didn't forget. We just don't care what Beamer did. It's not relevant to our program.

jst01

What's more likely?  That BB is like Beamer and is about to 'break out' OR he is just not a very good coach here and has shown it? 

 

RME

Quote from: hawganatic on November 07, 2017, 03:07:33 pm
We sucked before the injuries, and he's had five years to build this team, so the inexperience is because he's underrecruited and undercoached.

Nice try though.  Must be a millenial.  Nothing is ever anybody's fault...

Beamer went 2-8-1 in year 6.

It was smooth sailing for VT after that.

ONE! MORE! YEAR!

robmc1883

Beamer was also replacing a coach with NCAA violations that limited his scholarships the first 3-4 years. Not a fair comparison.

3dawghawg

I see CBB is posting under several different names because no one in their right mind could think we need to keep going as is

razorcash2

Does Beamer were flip-flops and party like a frat boy?

Two different animals.

Matt Burks

Quote from: robmc1883 on November 07, 2017, 03:09:36 pm
Beamer was also replacing a coach with NCAA violations that limited his scholarships the first 3-4 years. Not a fair comparison.
This

KennyForAD

Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on November 07, 2017, 02:48:05 pm
Gotta be hired guns.

They are all over the place today.   Long is feeling the heat.

KennyForAD

Its like watching CNN.  They don't even care anymore how ridiculous their crap is.

KennyForAD

Quote from: 3dawghawg on November 07, 2017, 03:14:30 pm
I see CBB is posting under several different names because no one in their right mind could think we need to keep going as is

Its not BB. 

DeltaBoy

Quote from: Busta_Nutt on November 07, 2017, 02:39:46 pm
Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?

Frank did not have the history at that program to build off off like Brent has. 
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We absolutely should, but the entitlement of "fans" & and irrationality of who, what and where we are is delusional and predictable. They wanted HDN gone, they wanted Malzahn gone, they wanted Petrino gone, they want CBB gone and they'll want the next coach gone as well.

hawgfan4life

I used that same argument too until this year.  I do believe that BB is a decent coach and is doing some great things in certain areas.  I also see that the wheels are off right now with no clear leadership being displayed to demonstrate that corrections are being made.  If he had fired the OL coach at anytime during this season, I would have gotten on board for give it one more year.  The fact that it didn't happen after last season when it was obvious and didn't happen this season when it was more obvious is a red flag.  The fact that we can't seem to figure out how to play our best athletes at least in plays and sets to get them on the field is another red flag.  We played Dominic Reed a handful of plays every game but never threw deep to him.  We would then launch a rare deep ball to a short, slower, less athletic WR.  It was clear last year that a certain RB on our team now had big play potential.  He would go games with few reps and no touches.  The same was repeated this year until the last two games, but he is STILL getting minimal touches.  There are personnel decision red flags.  I could go on.  In short, too many red flags for me to say give it more time.  It is year five and there is not one position or phase of the game that fans can point to and say BB has that position, group, or phase of the game on solid footing.  That is worth repeating:

It is year five and there is not one position or phase of the game that fans can point to and say BB has that position, group, or phase of the game on solid footing.

 

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Quote from: Busta_Nutt on November 07, 2017, 02:39:46 pm
Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?
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Quote from: jst01 on November 07, 2017, 03:09:00 pm
What's more likely?  That BB is like Beamer and is about to 'break out' OR he is just not a very good coach here and has shown it? 

That's what this whole thread is, just one big game of "Let's Make A Deal"...  Only worse, because we're holding onto a box of rotten bananas believing there may possibly be something worse behind curtain #1; and who know's, maybe these bananas can be turned into some hooch? Insanity.!!
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Quote from: Busta_Nutt on November 07, 2017, 02:39:46 pm
Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?

Frank Broyles turned the Razorbacks around in six as well, six games. Bobby Petrino one season. Two seasons if you consider 8-5 unacceptable.

Danimal

Quote from: The ColonelHog on November 07, 2017, 06:09:15 pm
Ahhh, I thought that was actually FOX UN-NEWS!
Both are full o' crap..

KennyForAD

Quote from: rusvegashog on November 07, 2017, 03:34:00 pm
We absolutely should, but the entitlement of "fans" & and irrationality of who, what and where we are is delusional and predictable. They wanted HDN gone, they wanted Malzahn gone, they wanted Petrino gone, they want CBB gone and they'll want the next coach gone as well.

Really?

KennyForAD

Quote from: HeathWimp on November 07, 2017, 06:15:06 pm
"Busta-Nutt?"  Props for the name at least.  Lol

+1 for gettin it.

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Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 07, 2017, 03:23:40 pm
Frank did not have the history at that program to build off off like Brent has. 

Why you bringing Venables into this?
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Quote from: Busta_Nutt on November 07, 2017, 02:39:46 pm
Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?

I think you need to Busta_Nutt out of here..................
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Quote from: hawgfan4life on November 07, 2017, 03:35:12 pm
It is year five and there is not one position or phase of the game that fans can point to and say BB has that position, group, or phase of the game on solid footing.

You guys have a good time frig dancing

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If we are having serious discussion, take a look at Dan Mullens record, most think he is a solid coach but certainly had his ups and downs throough his first several years. 

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Quote from: From Tusk Till Dawn on November 07, 2017, 07:45:20 pm
If we are having serious discussion, take a look at Dan Mullens record, most think he is a solid coach but certainly had his ups and downs throough his first several years. 

This is kind of the opposite of that though isn't it?   Our guy drove a bus with Barry Alvarez beside him telling him where to go.  He has proven, as plainly as imaginable, since then, that he is the worst coach in freaking history, no?  I mean, its kinda hard to argue he isn't, right?   The ABSOLUTE WORST line in all of football for two years straight from a guy who emphasizes the line... just for starters.

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Frank Beamer was probably the best college special teams coach there ever has been. He believed solid special teams were very important for success. Brett not so much.

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Quote from: KennyForAD on November 07, 2017, 07:50:54 pm
This is kind of the opposite of that though isn't it?   Our guy drove a bus with Barry Alvarez beside him telling him where to go.  He has proven, as plainly as imaginable, since then, that he is the worst coach in freaking history, no?  I mean, its kinda hard to argue he isn't, right?   The ABSOLUTE WORST line in all of football for two years straight from a guy who emphasizes the line... just for starters.

I'm not sure we will agree on most of your points.  As for the primary topic though, my point was that Mullen had a breakout year after his fifth year.  Im not trying to change anybody's mind, but set the anger aside for a moment.  There could literally be 4-5 openings in the SEC West next year.  Our schedule could set up nicely for a big year.

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Quote from: Busta_Nutt on November 07, 2017, 02:39:46 pm
Frank Beamer never won more than 6 games in his first six seasons at VT, including 4 losing seasons, before turning that program into a national power. I know we're quick to blame CBB, but should we simply chalk this season up as an inexperienced team riddled with injuries?
He also took over a program that had, basically, no tradition of winning at any high level. They had been to a grand total of 6 bowls in program history, with only 1 bowl win.

KennyForAD

Quote from: From Tusk Till Dawn on November 07, 2017, 08:02:26 pm
I'm not sure we will agree on most of your points.  As for the primary topic though, my point was that Mullen had a breakout year after his fifth year.  Im not trying to change anybody's mind, but set the anger aside for a moment.  There could literally be 4-5 openings in the SEC West next year.  Our schedule could set up nicely for a big year.

Are you saying that you think that there is a chance that BB can actually coach football and we should see what happens next year?   I've been drinking Absynthe since Monday.  Surely I'm hallucinating.   I'm not sure whether I want you to tell me that you are serious, or joking.  If you aren't a fantasy, look up offensive line stats, then get back to me.  I'm not certain of much in this world, but I'm as sure as it gets that BB has no idea how to coach football, and I'm almost as sure that there isn't anyone who follows football who doesn't see that.

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Quote from: From Tusk Till Dawn on November 07, 2017, 08:02:26 pm
I'm not sure we will agree on most of your points.  As for the primary topic though, my point was that Mullen had a breakout year after his fifth year.  Im not trying to change anybody's mind, but set the anger aside for a moment.  There could literally be 4-5 openings in the SEC West next year.  Our schedule could set up nicely for a big year.
Are you serious?  CBB had 5 YEARS!! The product on the field is AWFUL and has been awful.  Nothing will change by giving another year.   The only way the RAZORBACKS are going to get better is with a NEW coach.

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I went to college with Frank Beamer. We were in congress together. I knew Frank Beamer. Bret Bielemia is no Frank Beamer.
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Beamer made progress each of his first 6 years.

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Quote from: Seebs on November 07, 2017, 08:23:41 pm
I went to college with Frank Beamer. We were in congress together. I knew Frank Beamer. Bret Bielemia is no Frank Beamer.

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