Early Look at Carnoustie (Championship Course)

[GoHogs1091]

The 2016 Senior Open Championship is being held at Carnoustie (Championship Course at Carnoustie) in Angus, Scotland.  Carnoustie (Championship Course) was designed by Allan Robertson, who was assisted by Old Tom Morris, and the course opened in 1842.  The original course was ten holes that crossed and recrossed the Barry Burn.  A complete restructuring of the course and an extending of the course to 18 holes by Old Tom Morris occurred in 1867.  In 1926, James Braid made modifications to the course.  The course has hosted The Open Championship 7 times (1931, 1937, 1953, 1968, 1975, 1999, and 2007).  It is scheduled to host The Open Championship in 2018.

The Carnoustie (Championship Course) was modified significantly prior to the 1999 Open Championship.  All bunkers were rebuilt, many bunkers were both added and eliminated, many green complexes were expanded and enhanced, and several new tees were built.  The routing used since 1926 was not changed during this significant modification.

Carnoustie (Championship Course) is regarded by many as being the most difficult course in The Open Championship course rota, and one of the toughest courses in the world.  The course is nicknamed "Car-nasty" due to its difficulty, and it is remembered for the collapse of French golfer, Jean Van de Velde, in 1999 on the 18th hole.  Van de Velde needed only a double-bogey six on the 18th hole to win the Open, and he proceeded to score a triple-bogey seven, tying Paul Lawrie and 1997 champion Justin Leonard at 290 (+6).  Lawrie won the four-hole aggregate playoff and the championship.

The term "Carnoustie Effect" dates from the 1999 Open Championship when the world's best players, many of whom were reared on manicured and relatively windless courses, were frustrated by the unexpected difficulties of the Championship Course at Carnoustie, which was compounded by the weather.  One young favourite, 19-year-old Sergio García of Spain, went straight from the course to his mother's arms crying after shooting 89 and 83 in the first two rounds.  The "Carnoustie Effect" is defined as "that degree of mental and psychic shock experienced on collision with reality by those whose expectations are founded on false assumptions." This being a psychological term, it can of course apply to disillusionment in any area of activity, not just in golf.

The 2010 Senior Open Championship was held at Carnoustie (Championship Course), and was won by Bernhard Langer.  Langer shot a total of 279 (-5).  It is not surprising that Langer won in 2010 at Carnoustie.  Langer has a complete game with basically no weaknesses, and the Championship Course at Carnoustie demands superior play like what is played by Langer.

Here are some quotes by well-known golfers about the Championship Course at Carnoustie.

"This golf course is hard but it's fair. It's a terrific test."   Tiger Woods

"I didn't realise what a wonderful course the Championship is. It's terrific."   Phil Mickelson

"One of the toughest and best courses we have in the world."   Colin Montgomerie

"It's got length. It's got great bunkering. You've really got to have your wits about you to play the Championship course. It's probably the best bunkered course you'll find anywhere in the world."   Ernie Els

"The Carnoustie Championship course is the toughest course anywhere."   Gary Player

Here is an overhead view of Carnoustie (Championship Course).  Over on the bottom right hand corner of the image is a + and a - that can be clicked on in order to zoom in and zoom out the overhead image.

http://www.provisualizer.com/courses/carnoustie.php

Here is the Scorecard of Carnoustie (Championship Course).  The yardage is from the back tee.  For each hole is a link to an animated video flyover of the hole.

Hole 1   406 yards   Par 4 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRwwuuihIuQ

Hole 2   463 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWBOeUpYug

Hole 3   351 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo99veKuVBk

Hole 4   412 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnkmYsY3CN4

Hole 5   415 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtnrkmenjkM

Hole 6   578 yards   Par 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XSioWl4u55U

Hole 7   410 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVKGDl-4P2k

Hole 8   183 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2sY5nxdumJA

Hole 9   478 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=98JMJwY3Qrc

Out   3,696 yards   Par 36 

Hole 10   466 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOFVHA4cMw

Hole 11   383 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPJHjtQWtEA

Hole 12   499 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnhLHaC9qk

Hole 13   176 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjtW75bcE

Hole 14   514 yards   Par 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7dLrRH1jCc

Hole 15   472 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ver29MbE-W8

Hole 16   248 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zngFdFMTUGU

Hole 17   461 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnVGOXVmk0s

Hole 18   499 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4z4cGZJvY

In   3,718 yards   Par 35

Total   7,414 yards   Par 71

Course Rating of 75.1 and Slope Rating of 145 from 6,941 yardage, so from the above back tee yardage, I presume the Course Rating is around 77 to 78 and the Slope Rating is around 150.

Here is an older helicopter flyover video of each hole 1 thru 9.

Here is an older helicopter flyover video of each hole 10 thru 18

Here is a good photo tour of Carnoustie (Championship Course) from 2009.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41834.0/

The following is from a 2007 article regarding the difficulty of Carnoustie (Championship Course).

"In July 1996, the month before he won his third U.S. Amateur and turned pro, Tiger Woods played in the Scottish Open at Carnoustie. He shot 81-75 to miss the cut."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/carnoustie_knuth0707

As can be seen, the Championship Course at Carnoustie is a demanding golf course.  A lot of the difficulty pertains to the Barry Burn (which is really not a burn; it's a tidal basin that rises and falls with the tides).  The Barry Burn adds difficulty to holes 10, 17, and 18.  The closing three hole stretch of 16, 17, and 18 is regarded as one of the most difficult in all of golf.  According to Tom Watson, the 248 yard Par 3 16th Hole is the hardest Par 3 hole in the world.  On the 461 yard Par 4 17th hole, the Barry Burn crisscrosses the hole three times.  On the 499 yard Par 4 18th hole, both the tee shot and the approach shot must tangle with the Barry Burn.

Another aspect that adds to the difficulty of the course is that there is only one Par 3 hole on the Front 9, and the golfer doesn't get to that Par 3 hole until the 8th hole.  That is a long time into the round to get to a Par 3 hole.  Additionally, there are some very stout Par 4 holes.  On the Front 9, there is a 463 yard Par 4 and a 478 yard Par 4.  On the Back 9, there is a 466 yard Par 4, a 472 yard Par 4, a 461 yard Par 4 (that happens to have a three time crisscrossing water hazzard), and two 499 yard Par 4 holes (with one of them having the water hazzard in play on two of a golfer's shots on the hole).

The weather can also really come into play, in regards to a strong wind. 

The PGA Tour Champions players will be tested at Carnoustie.  It will take play by someone who has a complete game, such as Bernhard Langer, or Colin Montgomerie.  Montgomerie has shot a course record 64 at Carnoustie.  Montgomerie will warm up for Carnoustie by playing in the Open Championship at Royal Troon, but Royal Troon is simply not the golf course that is the Championship Course at Carnoustie.  The historical impact of winners at Carnoustie such Ben Hogan, Gary Player, Tom Watson, and Bernhard Langer shows that to win at the Championship Course at Carnoustie means that the win came on one of the most respected and historical links golf courses in the world.  Hogan, Player, Watson, and Langer are truly a respected group by having won at Carnoustie. 

[Dr. Starcs]

Dude

[GolfNut57]

yawwwnnnnnnnn..........

[Pulled(PP)pork]

It's like a hogcard thread in politics....you just can't look away. 



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[ricepig]

Dude

Shut

[PonderinHog]

Did not read.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

I found this article fascinating and informative. 

I would recommend it to others like me who engage in self flagellation regularly.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

I found this article fascinating and informative. 

I would recommend it to others like me who engage in self flagellation regularly.

momma says that'll make you go blind


PP

[oldman1015]

The 2016 Senior Open Championship is being held at Carnoustie (Championship Course at Carnoustie) in Angus, Scotland.  Carnoustie (Championship Course) was designed by Allan Robertson, who was assisted by Old Tom Morris, and the course opened in 1842.  The original course was ten holes that crossed and recrossed the Barry Burn.  A complete restructuring of the course and an extending of the course to 18 holes by Old Tom Morris occurred in 1867.  In 1926, James Braid made modifications to the course.  The course has hosted The Open Championship 7 times (1931, 1937, 1953, 1968, 1975, 1999, and 2007).  It is scheduled to host The Open Championship in 2018.

The Carnoustie (Championship Course) was modified significantly prior to the 1999 Open Championship.  All bunkers were rebuilt, many bunkers were both added and eliminated, many green complexes were expanded and enhanced, and several new tees were built.  The routing used since 1926 was not changed during this significant modification.

Carnoustie (Championship Course) is regarded by many as being the most difficult course in The Open Championship course rota, and one of the toughest courses in the world.  The course is nicknamed "Car-nasty" due to its difficulty, and it is remembered for the collapse of French golfer, Jean Van de Velde, in 1999 on the 18th hole.  Van de Velde needed only a double-bogey six on the 18th hole to win the Open, and he proceeded to score a triple-bogey seven, tying Paul Lawrie and 1997 champion Justin Leonard at 290 (+6).  Lawrie won the four-hole aggregate playoff and the championship.

The term "Carnoustie Effect" dates from the 1999 Open Championship when the world's best players, many of whom were reared on manicured and relatively windless courses, were frustrated by the unexpected difficulties of the Championship Course at Carnoustie, which was compounded by the weather.  One young favourite, 19-year-old Sergio García of Spain, went straight from the course to his mother's arms crying after shooting 89 and 83 in the first two rounds.  The "Carnoustie Effect" is defined as "that degree of mental and psychic shock experienced on collision with reality by those whose expectations are founded on false assumptions." This being a psychological term, it can of course apply to disillusionment in any area of activity, not just in golf.

The 2010 Senior Open Championship was held at Carnoustie (Championship Course), and was won by Bernhard Langer.  Langer shot a total of 279 (-5).  It is not surprising that Langer won in 2010 at Carnoustie.  Langer has a complete game with basically no weaknesses, and the Championship Course at Carnoustie demands superior play like what is played by Langer.

Here are some quotes by well-known golfers about the Championship Course at Carnoustie.

"This golf course is hard but it’s fair. It’s a terrific test."   Tiger Woods

"I didn’t realise what a wonderful course the Championship is. It’s terrific."   Phil Mickelson

"One of the toughest and best courses we have in the world."   Colin Montgomerie

"It’s got length. It’s got great bunkering. You’ve really got to have your wits about you to play the Championship course. It’s probably the best bunkered course you’ll find anywhere in the world.”   Ernie Els

"The Carnoustie Championship course is the toughest course anywhere."   Gary Player

Here is an overhead view of Carnoustie (Championship Course).  Over on the bottom right hand corner of the image is a + and a - that can be clicked on in order to zoom in and zoom out the overhead image.

http://www.provisualizer.com/courses/carnoustie.php

Here is the Scorecard of Carnoustie (Championship Course).  The yardage is from the back tee.  For each hole is a link to an animated video flyover of the hole.

Hole 1   406 yards   Par 4 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRwwuuihIuQ

Hole 2   463 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWBOeUpYug

Hole 3   351 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo99veKuVBk

Hole 4   412 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnkmYsY3CN4

Hole 5   415 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtnrkmenjkM

Hole 6   578 yards   Par 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XSioWl4u55U

Hole 7   410 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVKGDl-4P2k

Hole 8   183 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2sY5nxdumJA

Hole 9   478 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=98JMJwY3Qrc

Out   3,696 yards   Par 36 

Hole 10   466 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOFVHA4cMw

Hole 11   383 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPJHjtQWtEA

Hole 12   499 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnhLHaC9qk

Hole 13   176 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjtW75bcE

Hole 14   514 yards   Par 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7dLrRH1jCc

Hole 15   472 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ver29MbE-W8

Hole 16   248 yards   Par 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zngFdFMTUGU

Hole 17   461 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnVGOXVmk0s

Hole 18   499 yards   Par 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4z4cGZJvY

In   3,718 yards   Par 35

Total   7,414 yards   Par 71

Course Rating of 75.1 and Slope Rating of 145 from 6,941 yardage, so from the above back tee yardage, I presume the Course Rating is around 77 to 78 and the Slope Rating is around 150.

Here is an older helicopter flyover video of each hole 1 thru 9.

Here is an older helicopter flyover video of each hole 10 thru 18

Here is a good photo tour of Carnoustie (Championship Course) from 2009.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41834.0/

The following is from a 2007 article regarding the difficulty of Carnoustie (Championship Course).

"In July 1996, the month before he won his third U.S. Amateur and turned pro, Tiger Woods played in the Scottish Open at Carnoustie. He shot 81-75 to miss the cut."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/carnoustie_knuth0707

As can be seen, the Championship Course at Carnoustie is a demanding golf course.  A lot of the difficulty pertains to the Barry Burn (which is really not a burn; it's a tidal basin that rises and falls with the tides).  The Barry Burn adds difficulty to holes 10, 17, and 18.  The closing three hole stretch of 16, 17, and 18 is regarded as one of the most difficult in all of golf.  According to Tom Watson, the 248 yard Par 3 16th Hole is the hardest Par 3 hole in the world.  On the 461 yard Par 4 17th hole, the Barry Burn crisscrosses the hole three times.  On the 499 yard Par 4 18th hole, both the tee shot and the approach shot must tangle with the Barry Burn.

Another aspect that adds to the difficulty of the course is that there is only one Par 3 hole on the Front 9, and the golfer doesn't get to that Par 3 hole until the 8th hole.  That is a long time into the round to get to a Par 3 hole.  Additionally, there are some very stout Par 4 holes.  On the Front 9, there is a 463 yard Par 4 and a 478 yard Par 4.  On the Back 9, there is a 466 yard Par 4, a 472 yard Par 4, a 461 yard Par 4 (that happens to have a three time crisscrossing water hazzard), and two 499 yard Par 4 holes (with one of them having the water hazzard in play on two of a golfer's shots on the hole).

The weather can also really come into play, in regards to a strong wind. 

The PGA Tour Champions players will be tested at Carnoustie.  It will take play by someone who has a complete game, such as Bernhard Langer, or Colin Montgomerie.  Montgomerie has shot a course record 64 at Carnoustie.  Montgomerie will warm up for Carnoustie by playing in the Open Championship at Royal Troon, but Royal Troon is simply not the golf course that is the Championship Course at Carnoustie.  The historical impact of winners at Carnoustie such Ben Hogan, Gary Player, Tom Watson, and Bernhard Langer shows that to win at the Championship Course at Carnoustie means that the win came on one of the most respected and historical links golf courses in the world.  Hogan, Player, Watson, and Langer are truly a respected group by having won at Carnoustie. 

could you elaborate please?

[GoHogs1091]

could you elaborate please?

One of the most overall pure tests in all of golf will be on T.V. next week.  Carnoustie (Championship Course) is a complete and exacting test. 

Here is some interesting comments about Carnoustie from someone who has played every one of the Top 100 ranked courses in the world (every one including Augusta National).

"If every golf course has a personality, Carnoustie is that of a working man. Looking over Carnoustie from the first tee and you are bound to be disappointed. Be patient, however, and you will be rewarded."

"One of the key things that makes Carnoustie great is its variety and the selection of shots you are asked to hit."

"Carnoustie is an enigma. It is unquestionably one of the greatest golf courses in the world but not for the usual reasons. It has none of the beautiful scenery that Pebble Beach or Turnberry has; in fact, some of the views are almost industrial and gritty. It is not set directly on the water. It does not have the storied history of a Merion or a Muirfield. It does not have a Royal pedigree or a delightful clubhouse like Hoylake or Lytham and St. Annes. In fact, it has a bit of a dis-jointed history and has been the home of many different golfing societies and local clubs over the years. Carnoustie is a public links, roughly the equivalent of a Bethpage in the U.S. And, it has an inferiority complex to its neighbor across the bay - St. Andrews."

"Yet, despite all these apparent shortcomings, there is a certain charm to the place. Carnoustie is not pretending to be something it is not. It doesn't put on any airs or try to be fancy or pretentious in any way. It deserves a high place in the world of golf because it has evolved into something great. It is pure golf."

"Every hole at Carnoustie fits perfectly into an overall mosaic. Unlike an out and back routing such as Troon, Carnoustie offers variety. There is a constant change in direction, which, given the strong wind that is frequently present, is important, so as not to wear a golfer down. The course follows the natural contours of the land. It has some short holes, some long ones, some holes that are easy to drive, others that are quite narrow. It rewards driving but is also a shot makers course."

http://top100golf.blogspot.com/2006/01/carnoustie.html

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DAMN YOU OLDMAN!!!  May your crotch be infested with chiggers


PP

[Hawgndaaz]

I'd take an open championship at augusta over any of the euro trash courses any day.

[GoHogs1091]

I'd take an open championship at augusta over any of the euro trash courses any day.

Bobby Jones (a Founder of ANGC) loved St. Andrews, and Alister MacKenzie (the architect of Augusta) was a former consulting architect to the Royal & Ancient Golf Club, so the influence of the great Scottish links upon Augusta's design was inevitable.  Augusta initially featured at least seven greens (including the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 14th and 17th) upon which the run-up was the favored method of approach, and no less than nine holes at Augusta which Alister MacKenzie cited as bearing specific characteristics of famous British holes, with several being nearly direct replicas.

So, to downgrade the "euro trash courses" is to also downgrade Augusta.

[oldman1015]

Bobby Jones (a Founder of ANGC) loved St. Andrews, and Alister MacKenzie (the architect of Augusta) was a former consulting architect to the Royal & Ancient Golf Club, so the influence of the great Scottish links upon Augusta’s design was inevitable.  Augusta initially featured at least seven greens (including the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 14th and 17th) upon which the run-up was the favored method of approach, and no less than nine holes at Augusta which Alister MacKenzie cited as bearing specific characteristics of famous British holes, with several being nearly direct replicas.

So, to downgrade the "euro trash courses" is to also downgrade Augusta.

bazinga

[cosmodrum]

[Wildhog]

hot water burn the baby

[cosmodrum]

of course, there's supposed to be 8 fish sticks

[Hawgndaaz]

Bobby Jones (a Founder of ANGC) loved St. Andrews, and Alister MacKenzie (the architect of Augusta) was a former consulting architect to the Royal & Ancient Golf Club, so the influence of the great Scottish links upon Augusta’s design was inevitable.  Augusta initially featured at least seven greens (including the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 14th and 17th) upon which the run-up was the favored method of approach, and no less than nine holes at Augusta which Alister MacKenzie cited as bearing specific characteristics of famous British holes, with several being nearly direct replicas.

So, to downgrade the "euro trash courses" is to also downgrade Augusta.

Once again, Radio, you're wrong.

I said I'd prefer Augusta over the teeth look like they chewed on sheet metal courses any day. Has nothing to do with your latest wanker of an architect.

[GoHogs1091]

Once again, Radio, you're wrong.

I said I'd prefer Augusta over the teeth look like they chewed on sheet metal courses any day. Has nothing to do with your latest wanker of an architect.

Don't let what you see on T.V. regarding the conditioning of Augusta deceive you.  The ANGC puts on a good show regarding the conditioning of the course the week before the tournament and the week of the tournament.  It is not the normal conditioning the other weeks of the year the course is open.

Also, they should undo some of the tinkering they have done to the course.  A good start would be to flip the 9s back to what the 9s were when the course opened, and they should restore Hole 16 back to the 1935 Hole 16 shown in the following.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,60832.msg1442346.html#msg1442346

[ricepig]

Don't let what you see on T.V. regarding the conditioning of Augusta deceive you.  The ANGC puts on a good show regarding the conditioning of the course the week before the tournament and the week of the tournament.  It is not the normal conditioning the other weeks of the year the course is open.

Also, they should undo some of the tinkering they have done to the course.  A good start would be to flip the 9s back to what the 9s were when the course opened, and they should restore Hole 16 back to the 1935 Hole 16 shown in the following.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,60832.msg1442346.html#msg1442346

Sure it is, you ever played there? It's not as pristine, but neither is any other course that the pro's play on.

[GoHogs1091]

Sure it is, you ever played there? It's not as pristine, but neither is any other course that the pro's play on.

Speaking of the Pros, Golf Digest did a survey in 2009 of 25 anonymous PGA Tour Pros, and on the question of "What's The Worse Course You Play on Tour?", the following was in the Comments of the survey pertaining to that question.

"Augusta is overrated, especially with all the changes."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/pgasurvey

[ricepig]

Speaking of the Pros, Golf Digest did a survey in 2009 of 25 anonymous PGA Tour Pros, and on the question of "What's The Worse Course You Play on Tour?", the following was in the Comments of the survey pertaining to that question.

"Augusta is overrated, especially with all the changes."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/pgasurvey

I'm taking that as a no, as I expected, you can put thoughts of your own together.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Speaking of the Pros, Golf Digest did a survey in 2009 of 25 anonymous PGA Tour Pros, and on the question of "What's The Worse Course You Play on Tour?", the following was in the Comments of the survey pertaining to that question.

"Augusta is overrated, especially with all the changes."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/pgasurvey

2009?  You are dumb as you sound


PP

[GoHogs1091]

2009?  You are dumb as you sound


PP

That Golf Digest Survey was several years after ANGC tried to "Tiger Proof" the course.  ANGC did that misguided action in the early 2000's.

Totally ridiculous to try to "proof" a course because of 1 player.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Totally ridiculous to try to "proof" a course because of 1 player.

Totally ridiculous to discount the beauty and excellence of a course because of 1 poster.

[Pulled(PP)pork]

Totally ridiculous to discount the beauty and excellence of a course because of 1 poster.

damn!  And he was probably headed to bed too. Now he will be up until 3am collecting links and quotes to prove you wrong


PP

[GoHogs1091]

Totally ridiculous to discount the beauty and excellence of a course because of 1 poster.

People can feel about Augusta National whatever they want to feel.

It is not as good of an overall pure test of golf as the following.

Southern Hills    The only thing that needs to be said about Southern Hills is that Jack Nicklaus shot a cumulative 45 over Par (+45) over the 5 Majors he played in at Southern Hills.

Merion (East Course)    See how the bomb-and-gouge mentality Pros did there in 2013.

Pine Valley in New Jersey   A Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees, a Slope Rating of 153 from the regular tees, and a Slope Rating of 150 from the senior tees.

Winged Foot (West Course)

Wissahickon Course at Philadelphia Cricket Club    Bernhard Langer, Colin Montgomerie, Miguel Angel Jimenez, and Vijay Singh did not finish under Par there.  No one finished under Par.

Carnoustie (Championship Course)    Lee Westwood has stated that the 3 final holes are the toughest closing 3 hole stretch in all of golf.  Tom Watson stated that the Par 3 16th Hole is the hardest Par 3 hole in the world.

Le Touessrok Golf Course, Ile aux Cerfs, Mauritius    Designed by Bernhard Langer.  Is set on its own island and cannot be reached by road, only by speed boat or helicopter.  Many holes have extra long carries from tee to fairway or from fairway to green over mangrove swamps, water hazards, or huge bunkers, a few of which are over 200 yards long.

Many of the holes play right beside the white sandy beaches and turquoise blue waters of the Indian Ocean whilst the glistening ocean is visible from many other holes.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/

Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/tees/

[GolfNut57]

People can feel about Augusta National whatever they want to feel.

It is not as good of an overall pure test of golf as the following.

Southern Hills    The only thing that needs to be said about Southern Hills is that Jack Nicklaus shot a cumulative 45 over Par (+45) over the 5 Majors he played in at Southern Hills.

Merion (East Course)    See how the bomb-and-gouge mentality Pros did there in 2013.

Pine Valley in New Jersey   A Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees, a Slope Rating of 153 from the regular tees, and a Slope Rating of 150 from the senior tees.

Winged Foot (West Course)

Wissahickon Course at Philadelphia Cricket Club    Bernhard Langer, Colin Montgomerie, Miguel Angel Jimenez, and Vijay Singh did not finish under Par there.  No one finished under Par.

Carnoustie (Championship Course)    Lee Westwood has stated that the 3 final holes are the toughest closing 3 hole stretch in all of golf.  Tom Watson stated that the Par 3 16th Hole is the hardest Par 3 hole in the world.

Le Touessrok Golf Course, Ile aux Cerfs, Mauritius    Designed by Bernhard Langer.  Is set on its own island and cannot be reached by road, only by speed boat or helicopter.  Many holes have extra long carries from tee to fairway or from fairway to green over mangrove swamps, water hazards, or huge bunkers, a few of which are over 200 yards long.

Many of the holes play right beside the white sandy beaches and turquoise blue waters of the Indian Ocean whilst the glistening ocean is visible from many other holes.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/

Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/tees/

Perry Maxwell says he wishes you would go away.......

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Perry Maxwell says he wishes you would go away.......

yup....RAIN MAAAAAAAAAN!


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People can feel about Augusta National whatever they want to feel.

It is not as good of an overall pure test of golf as the following.

Southern Hills    The only thing that needs to be said about Southern Hills is that Jack Nicklaus shot a cumulative 45 over Par (+45) over the 5 Majors he played in at Southern Hills.

Merion (East Course)    See how the bomb-and-gouge mentality Pros did there in 2013.

Pine Valley in New Jersey   A Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees, a Slope Rating of 153 from the regular tees, and a Slope Rating of 150 from the senior tees.

Winged Foot (West Course)

Wissahickon Course at Philadelphia Cricket Club    Bernhard Langer, Colin Montgomerie, Miguel Angel Jimenez, and Vijay Singh did not finish under Par there.  No one finished under Par.

Carnoustie (Championship Course)    Lee Westwood has stated that the 3 final holes are the toughest closing 3 hole stretch in all of golf.  Tom Watson stated that the Par 3 16th Hole is the hardest Par 3 hole in the world.

Le Touessrok Golf Course, Ile aux Cerfs, Mauritius    Designed by Bernhard Langer.  Is set on its own island and cannot be reached by road, only by speed boat or helicopter.  Many holes have extra long carries from tee to fairway or from fairway to green over mangrove swamps, water hazards, or huge bunkers, a few of which are over 200 yards long.

Many of the holes play right beside the white sandy beaches and turquoise blue waters of the Indian Ocean whilst the glistening ocean is visible from many other holes.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/

Slope Rating of 155 from the back tees.

http://www.shangri-la.com/mauritius/shangrila/golf/tees/

and no one cares how you feel


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[oldman1015]

Speaking of the Pros, Golf Digest did a survey in 2009 of 25 anonymous PGA Tour Pros, and on the question of "What's The Worse Course You Play on Tour?", the following was in the Comments of the survey pertaining to that question.

"Augusta is overrated, especially with all the changes."

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/pgasurvey

that guy wasn't invited to the masters.

[Hawgndaaz]

I've laid my own eyes on Southern Hills. Nothing different than any other old man course. Oh look how trendy we are, we have lots of doglegs!

frick off Radio.

[GoHogs1091]

I've laid my own eyes on Southern Hills. Nothing different than any other old man course. Oh look how trendy we are, we have lots of doglegs!

frick off Radio.

I have been to Tulsa and I have also seen Southern Hills with my own eyes.  4 PGA Championships and 3 U.S. Opens hosted shows that it is an elite course.

Back to Carnoustie (Championship Course), the following from a good article regarding about the stern test that is the Championship Course at Carnoustie.

"The last nine holes at Carnoustie are considered some of the toughest and best in championship golf,..."

"Burns are not the only difficulty to contend with here. Carnoustie features an array of alarmingly difficult bunker complexes, some so deep that amateurs wishing to escape may be better suited to a bucket and spade than the traditional wedge."

"Carnoustie also hosts what is widely regarded as the 'hardest par three in golf', the 255-yard par three 16th. This hole is difficult in a downwind, and into an easterly wind it is practically impossible. Distance is not the only defence this hole possesses. Boath tells us that the hole's exposure to wind makes it easy to "go off the side of the green" which brings the bunkers into play."

"The Senior Open was last played here in 2010 when Bernard Langer conquered the course with a score of five under par. That is quite some score when you consider the numerous challenges that Carnoustie Championship course forces you to confront."

http://www.europeantour.com/seniortour/season=2016/tournamentid=2016862/news/newsid=301734.html

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I have been to Tulsa and I have also seen Southern Hills with my own eyes.  4 PGA Championships and 3 U.S. Opens hosted shows that it is an elite course.

Back to Carnoustie (Championship Course), the following from a good article regarding about the stern test that is the Championship Course at Carnoustie.

"The last nine holes at Carnoustie are considered some of the toughest and best in championship golf,..."

"Burns are not the only difficulty to contend with here. Carnoustie features an array of alarmingly difficult bunker complexes, some so deep that amateurs wishing to escape may be better suited to a bucket and spade than the traditional wedge."

"Carnoustie also hosts what is widely regarded as the 'hardest par three in golf', the 255-yard par three 16th. This hole is difficult in a downwind, and into an easterly wind it is practically impossible. Distance is not the only defence this hole possesses. Boath tells us that the hole's exposure to wind makes it easy to "go off the side of the green" which brings the bunkers into play."

"The Senior Open was last played here in 2010 when Bernard Langer conquered the course with a score of five under par. That is quite some score when you consider the numerous challenges that Carnoustie Championship course forces you to confront."

http://www.europeantour.com/seniortour/season=2016/tournamentid=2016862/news/newsid=301734.html

I bet you would enjoy a 3some with Bernhard Langer and Clint Conque.....might even stretch that to a gang bang adding Perry Max


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[oldman1015]

can't believe langer isn't winning this by 10 shots.

[GoHogs1091]

can't believe langer isn't winning this by 10 shots.

Well, Langer was at least consistent.  He shot a 71 (-1) all 4 rounds to finish at -4 and tied for 9th place.

Really benign conditions at Carnoustie during this tournament.  If the wind had blown, the scoring would have been a lot different. 

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Well, Langer was at least consistent.  He shot a 71 (-1) all 4 rounds to finish at -4 and tied for 9th place.

Really benign conditions at Carnoustie during this tournament.  If the wind had blown, the scoring would have been a lot different.

he prolly would have won, then you could have given him a celebrity "hand....."



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[GoHogs1091]

he prolly would have won, then you could have given him a celebrity "hand....."
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Langer can't win all tournaments, but he does win a lot.

Maybe the story of the year in sports was the Saturday 3rd round at The Masters when 58 year old Langer was paired with World Number 1, Jason Day, and the following occurred in Round 3 regarding the Langer/Day pairing.

Langer   70  (-2)

Day   71  (-1)

[Hawgndaaz]

Langer can't win all tournaments, but he does win a lot.

Maybe the story of the year in sports was the Saturday 3rd round at The Masters when 58 year old Langer was paired with World Number 1, Jason Day, and the following occurred in Round 3 regarding the Langer/Day pairing.

Langer   70  (-2)

Day   71  (-1)

He obviously couldn't close it out on a real course, though.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Langer can't win all tournaments, but he does win a lot.

Maybe the story of the year in sports was the Saturday 3rd round at The Masters when 58 year old Langer was paired with World Number 1, Jason Day, and the following occurred in Round 3 regarding the Langer/Day pairing.

Langer   70  (-2)

Day   71  (-1)

Yeah, that's right.  The scores of two guys in the third round of the Masters who didn't figure in the end result on Sunday is the "story of the year" in golf.

[ricepig]

Yeah, that's right.  The scores of two guys in the third round of the Masters who didn't figure in the end result on Sunday is the "story of the year" in golf.

Well, I figure they both are lucky they weren't playing with Garrigus.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Well, I figure they both are lucky they weren't playing with Garrigus.

Garrigus used to beat up Perry Maxwell on the playground and take his lunch money.   Daily.

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Garrigus used to beat up Perry Maxwell on the playground and take his lunch money.   Daily.

gave him wedgies too

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[ricepig]

gave him wedgies too

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What degree, 56 or 64?

[GoHogs1091]

He obviously couldn't close it out on a real course, though.

He has done that before, twice.

"Langer, age 27 and dressed in red, birdied four of the last seven holes to win the green jacket."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Masters_Tournament

1993   Langer   277  (-11)   4 shot win

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Masters_Tournament

From an article regarding what Jason Day said about his Round with Langer.

"He got the better of me," admitted Day, who shot 71 and is tied for fifth at even-par for the tournament. "It's really impressive to watch what Bernhard did out there today, just the positions he was in compared to where I was. On 10, I had 120 yards to the pin and I'm not sure what he had, but he was at least 60 to 80 yards behind me. And he just kept going along and knows his strengths and weaknesses."

Also from the article.

"Langer made six birdies on the day, including three in a row on 13, 14 and 15. On 14, after Day made a 69-foot birdie putt, Langer answered by chipping in from 42 feet."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2016/04/09/bernhard-langer-masters-third-round/82843242/

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What degree, 56 or 64?

52


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GoHogs forgot to mention he gave Langer a bj after that interview


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