Mark Gottfried out at NC State

[FineAsSwine]

will coach the rest of the season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693141-mark-gottfried-fired-as-nc-state-basketball-coach-will-finish-rest-of-season

[WADHOG]

Pretty high standards at nc state..

[Hawg Red]

Pretty high standards at nc state..

Some would say too high for a non-blue blood school. Garry Parrish talked to a coach who said he would not touch that job if 4 NCAAs and 2 Sweet 16s in 6 years isn't good enough.

[lynbug]

Some would say too high for a non-blue blood school. Garry Parrish talked to a coach who said he would not touch that job if 4 NCAAs and 2 Sweet 16s in 6 years isn't good enough.

And we thought our fan base was demanding!!

[3kgthog]

And we thought our fan base was demanding!!

This. Based on the history of the two coaches that came before Stan, Pel, and Mike, we've been VERY easy on those three guys.

[RazorPiggie]

Will be interesting to see who they hire.

[Hawg Red]

The AD is also not expected to be around much longer, so that will complicate things for them. Word is Wolfpack alum Archie Miller is not interested.

[HF#1]

Jeff Goodman said this morning on Sirius that he's just not a good coach. He thinks they will have a hard time hiring folks because of the current leadership and the fact that the AD is gone in 2 years. When Gottfried was hired, he was way down on the list.

[King Kong]

Jeff Goodman said this morning on Sirius that he's just not a good coach. He thinks they will have a hard time hiring folks because of the current leadership and the fact that the AD is gone in 2 years. When Gottfried was hired, he was way down on the list.

Thinks Gottfried not a good coach? I mean he isn't an elite coach. But 9 NCAAt in 14 years at Murray State, Bama and NC St with a couple of Sweet 16's and Elite 8 shows he is atleast a good coach.

I know several Bama fans that were dying for him to leave and then after they got Grant they more than wished they had him back.

[Pork Twain]

NC State firing a winning coach in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, ND, Syracuse, Clemson, WF and Florida St) and we will not even do the same in the SEC (Kentucky and Florida).  They have not been really good since the mid-80s.  Difference between caring about basketball and winning and just being satisfied to win more than we lose.    Looking forward to the excuse next year of having to replace Dusty and Moses.

2011–12 NC State 24–13 9–7 T–4th NCAA Sweet 16
2012–13 NC State 24–11 11–7 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2013–14 NC State 22–14 9–9 7th NCAA Second Round
2014–15 NC State 22–14 10–8 T–6th NCAA Sweet 16
2015–16 NC State 16–17 5–13 13th 
2016–17 NC State 14–13 3–11   
NC State: 122–82 (.598) 47–55 (.461) 

vs

2011–12 Arkansas 18–14 6–10 9th 
2012–13 Arkansas 19–13 10–8 7th 
2013–14 Arkansas 22–12 10–8 5th NIT Second Round
2014–15 Arkansas 27–9 13–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2015–16 Arkansas 16–16 9–9 T–8th 
2016–17 Arkansas 19–7 8–5   
Arkansas: 121–71 (.630) 56–45 (.554)

[hogwood]

Lets get Kapita to transfer here this spring. Wouldn't be able to play next year but man he would be perfect on our teams.

[Stewhog 11]

NC State firing a winning coach in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, ND, Syracuse, Clemson, WF and Florida St) and we will not even do the same in the SEC (Kentucky and Florida).  They have not been really good since the mid-80s.  Difference between caring about basketball and winning and just being satisfied to win more than we lose.    Looking forward to the excuse next year of having to replace Dusty and Moses.

2011–12 NC State 24–13 9–7 T–4th NCAA Sweet 16
2012–13 NC State 24–11 11–7 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2013–14 NC State 22–14 9–9 7th NCAA Second Round
2014–15 NC State 22–14 10–8 T–6th NCAA Sweet 16
2015–16 NC State 16–17 5–13 13th 
2016–17 NC State 14–13 3–11   
NC State: 122–82 (.598) 47–55 (.461) 

vs

2011–12 Arkansas 18–14 6–10 9th 
2012–13 Arkansas 19–13 10–8 7th 
2013–14 Arkansas 22–12 10–8 5th NIT Second Round
2014–15 Arkansas 27–9 13–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2015–16 Arkansas 16–16 9–9 T–8th 
2016–17 Arkansas 19–7 8–5   
Arkansas: 121–71 (.630) 56–45 (.554)

To be fair there's a visible downward trajectory. Equal or fewer win totals every single year. With the exception of one season Mike has been the opposite. I still don't think he should have been fired, but I don't think Anderson should be either.

[Pork Twain]

To be fair there's a visible downward trajectory. Equal or fewer win totals every single year. With the exception of one season Mike has been the opposite. I still don't think he should have been fired, but I don't think Anderson should be either.

To be fair, he has done far more than Mike and done so in a MUCH stronger basketball conference.  Even then, I think they should both be fired, I am just happy to see NC State's AD pull the trigger.

[Stewhog 11]

To be fair, he has done far more than Mike and done so in a MUCH stronger basketball conference.  Even then, I think they should both be fired, I am just happy to see NC State's AD pull the trigger.

Then I guess we simply have different beliefs and philosophies on what are just terms for firing a coach.

[Pork Twain]

If I said there are two coaches:
One has won 20+ games 4 out of 6 years and gone to the NCAA 4 times and the Sweet 16 twice, while in the top basketball conference
One has won 20+ games 3 out of 6 years and lost in the second round on his one trip and plays in a very weak basketball conference

Who would you really think deserved firing more?

[Razorback de Nosferatu]

If I said there are two coaches:
One has won 20+ games 4 out of 6 years and gone to the NCAA 4 times and the Sweet 16 twice, while in the top basketball conference
One has won 20+ games 3 out of 6 years and lost in the second round on his one trip and plays in a very weak basketball conference

Who would you really think deserved firing more?

Yeah, but that kinda ignores the fact that NC State has been significantly backsliding for two seasons now, while Anderson is hopefully on his way to another tournament bid. 

FWIW, concerning Anderson, I'm one of many in the wait and see camp.  If the team has truly turned a corner and closes this year out strong, I think it'd be crazy to even consider firing him.  If they yet again limp across the finish line when they were on track for the tournament, well...

[Stewhog 11]

Okay fine but I could throw at you in the six seasons they both coached coach B had the better record three of them. Also the line of best fit is sloped downward for coach A and upward for coach B. Look there's multiple sides and ways to spin any situation. Sure you're not wrong in anything you said I just don't think either one should be fired. In my opinion NC State was in the wrong for firing there coach, not Arkansas for keeping their's.

[Pork Twain]

Yeah, but that kinda ignores the fact that NC State has been significantly backsliding for two seasons now, while Anderson is hopefully on his way to another tournament bid. 

FWIW, concerning Anderson, I'm one of many in the wait and see camp.  If the team has truly turned a corner and closes this year out strong, I think it'd be crazy to even consider firing him.  If they yet again limp across the finish line when they were on track for the tournament, well...

True but what is there about their coach's past that would indicate that he cannot get them back to winning?  What is there to indicate that MA can ever consistently put a winning team on the floor?

[Razorback de Nosferatu]

True but what is there about their coach's past that would indicate that he cannot get them back to winning?  What is there to indicate that MA can ever consistently put a winning team on the floor?

I think both of those are pretty big unknowns, obviously.  What we know is that Anderson has seemingly bounced back from his crappy season; he's on the brink of the NCAAT.

Gottfried didn't.  Two crappy years in a row at a program that's used to dancing. 

[husker71]

He recruited one of the best 2 or 3 high school players (Smith) and is fired.  Lorenzo Romar at Washington recruited one of the top 3 or 4 players (Fultz) and had 2 freshmen taken early in the draft last year AND next year has the best high school player and maybe the 1st player in the draft coming in (Porter) and he will be fired.  Jones at LSU had Simmons who was considered one of the best freshmen to come into college basketball in years and was the #1 pick in the draft and he will be fired.  Take what you will from this rant.

[ShadowHawg]

NC State firing a winning coach in the ACC (Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, ND, Syracuse, Clemson, WF and Florida St) and we will not even do the same in the SEC (Kentucky and Florida).  They have not been really good since the mid-80s.  Difference between caring about basketball and winning and just being satisfied to win more than we lose.    Looking forward to the excuse next year of having to replace Dusty and Moses.

2011–12 NC State 24–13 9–7 T–4th NCAA Sweet 16
2012–13 NC State 24–11 11–7 T–4th NCAA Second Round
2013–14 NC State 22–14 9–9 7th NCAA Second Round
2014–15 NC State 22–14 10–8 T–6th NCAA Sweet 16
2015–16 NC State 16–17 5–13 13th 
2016–17 NC State 14–13 3–11   
NC State: 122–82 (.598) 47–55 (.461) 

vs

2011–12 Arkansas 18–14 6–10 9th 
2012–13 Arkansas 19–13 10–8 7th 
2013–14 Arkansas 22–12 10–8 5th NIT Second Round
2014–15 Arkansas 27–9 13–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2015–16 Arkansas 16–16 9–9 T–8th 
2016–17 Arkansas 19–7 8–5   
Arkansas: 121–71 (.630) 56–45 (.554)

LOL! Numbers are not your strong point are they?

If you knew how to plot a graph instead of merely posting one, you would see why your comparison is highly flawed.

[Hogimus Prime]

If I remember a couple od those seasons Gottfried underachieved and they got hot late in the season.  Did the samething at Bama when he has Rod Grizzard, Erein Dudley and Kenny Walker.

[husker71]

Gerald Wallace was the highest rated of all.