SIAP Auburn Malzahn

[Rzback]

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/auburn-football-podcast-10-19-2017

[JOKERHOG]

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/auburn-football-podcast-10-19-2017

Sad for us old timers who knew what Razorback Football meant in the 1960's and 1970's.  No pride or commitment to winning today

[PorkRinds]

If he is I'm a darksider immediately.

[rogersvillemohog]

I have railed against the Malzahn machine since he got the OC job at Auburn under CheeseWiz, but by-golly I'll just come right out and say it, if Arkansas landed Gus I would be elated. It would be a sizable improvement in the head coaching department, and while it would piss people off, a couple of of 4-1 starts would shut that up pretty quickly. Not my first choice by any means, but I'm not willing to be one of those Arkansas fans who puts their pride before the ultimate good of the program.

[WilsonHog]

He would be in my top two or three for sure. Him and Leach.

[swineology]

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/auburn-football-podcast-10-19-2017

After 50 + years, Alumn 1980, RF donor since 1990, I'll pull out all support of razorback football if this slime ball is hired.

RIP Razorback Football!

[Seebs]

I just want somebody that can win. I trusted CBP to be smarter than the other coach. I have not had that feeling in a while .

[HawgHeadCheese]

I don't understand the hatred towards Gus. It's a match made in heaven IMO. Even if we went on to get a good coach who has a successful 3-4 years how long does he stay before he leaves for a better job. I think the Arkansas job is a dream job for Gus.

[GoHogs1091]

The NWA contingent who are essentially the Malzahn Fan Club will make a strong push.

If he does get hired by the UofA, he might do slightly better than Bielema, but I wouldn't expect a drastic improvement.

Malzahn can recruit well to Auburn because of Auburn's history and proximity to talent, but he is probably not a good enough of a recruiter to recruit well enough to the UofA.

[hotdog hog]

Totally agree. Gus would be a good hire. Unless you are willing to gamble on a younger coach, we won't land a guy this talented. Winning in the Bush leagues ain't winning in the SEC.

[swineology]

I don't understand the hatred towards Gus. It's a match made in heaven IMO. Even if we went on to get a good coach who has a successful 3-4 years how long does he stay before he leaves for a better job. I think the Arkansas job is a dream job for Gus.

Auburn was Gus' dream job  after Cheese Sticks and him won the Natty. So far he's failed miserably at bringing another Natty to the Albarn Tigers.

He has no plan to return to Arkansas at any position. I'd say Saban will hire him when he falls in his high school face or he'll take a non P5 coaching job.

[HawgHeadCheese]

The NWA contingent who are essentially the Malzahn Fan Club will make a strong push.

If he does get hired by the UofA, he might do slightly better than Bielema, but I wouldn't expect a drastic improvement.

Malzahn can recruit well to Auburn because of Auburn's history and proximity to talent, but he is probably not a good enough of a recruiter to recruit well enough to the UofA.

I think he would still be able to recruit well offensively just because his scheme is fun to watch and play in. I think he would do well and a better job at securing in-state talent but I'm not sure he could build a similar defense to Auburn's at Arkansas.

[HawgHeadCheese]

Auburn was Gus' dream job was AU after Cheese Sticks and him won the Natty. So far he's failed miserably at bringing another Natty to the Albarn Tigers.

He has no plan to return to Arkansas at any position. I'd say Saban will hire him when he falls in his high school face or he'll take a non P5 coaching job.

I don't think Gus has failed miserably at Auburn although he hasn't gotten close to winning a title since his last appearance . I only think Auburn became a dream job because of his mistreatment at Arkansas.

[007 License To Squeal]

What does "The two fan bases have different levels of expectations." mean??

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

Why would we take a coach that has done mediocre to poor with the talent$ that are easily attracted to Auburn?  If he's an eight win coach at Auburn (not counting his first year), is everyone cool with another Beilema? 

I just don't understand.

[HawgHeadCheese]

Why would we take a coach that has done mediocre to poor with the talent$ that are easily attracted to Auburn?  If he's an eight win coach at Auburn (not counting his first year), is everyone cool with another Beilema? 

I just don't understand.

When Saban was hired from Michigan St. to LSU he wasn't setting the world on fire. There are different factors that come into play.

[Mike_e]

Has he developed a quarterback yet?

Aside from a ready to play transfer?

[HawgHeadCheese]

Has he developed a quarterback yet?

Aside from a ready to play transfer?

Nick Marshall?

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

When Saban was hired from Michigan St. to LSU he wasn't setting the world on fire. There are different factors that come into play.

Saban went to a better talent pool for recruiting and was in the SEC West when it was the weaker division.  Malzahn coming here would not be of any value except a gimmick offense and an Arkansas native being at the helm.

[thebignasty]

If he is I'm a darksider immediately.

He'd have to do some serious winning. 

[Mike Irwin]

You guys must know nothing about Jeff Long. I doubt that he'd fire BB without putting him on notice with some stated goals for improvement. That  would come following this season. But in any case Long would have to do a 180 to even consider hiring Malzahn. He knows that a good portion of the fan base still blames Malzahn for junior high-type antics that took place in 06.

Whether you agree with that or not there a bunch of folks out there who blame Gus. I remember a Hogville poll that showed Nutt had 8% support. I laughed at those who said it was accurate. A Hogville regular paid a professional polling company to conduct a scientific poll. This guy put his money where his mouth was.

When the results were in, as I recall, Nutt's actual support was in the 60% range.

Malzahn ain't coming here. If he does it will take hiring the president of the Gus Malzahn fan club as AD to make it happen.

[swineology]

I don't think Gus has failed miserably at Auburn but he hasn't gotten close to winning a title. I only think Auburn became a dream job because of his mistreatment at Arkansas.

If he get's fired this year, by Auburn's standards he's failed miserably. I have a co worker that's from Montgomery, AU donor that wants his A$$ fired.

There are other up tempo coaches out there to choose from other than slime ball retread Gus

[Mike Irwin]

BTW, I consider that podcast totally insulting. The arrogant Auburn media is worse than their fans.

[factchecker]

Malzahn ain't coming here. If he does it will take hiring the president of the Gus Malzahn fan club as AD to make it happen.

Some people want Tim Horton as our AD.

[Mike Irwin]

Some people want Tim Horton as our AD.

Yeah, and I'm sure they can make it happen. An assistant coach who's never had any training as an athletics administrator will be offered the job as Arkansas' AD.

Sure. And the sun will come up in the west tomorrow.

[WilsonHog]

You guys must know nothing about Jeff Long. I doubt that he'd fire BB without putting him on notice with some stated goals for improvement. That  would come following this season. But in any case Long would have to do a 180 to even consider hiring Malzahn. He knows that a good portion of the fan base still blames Malzahn for junior high-type antics that took place in 06.

Whether you agree with that or not there a bunch of folks out there who blame Gus. I remember a Hogville poll that showed Nutt had 8% support. I laughed at those who said it was accurate. A Hogville regular paid a professional polling company to conduct a scientific poll. This guy put his money where his mouth was.

When the results were in, as I recall, Nutt's actual support was in the 60% range.

Malzahn ain't coming here. If he does it will take hiring the president of the Gus Malzahn fan club as AD to make it happen.

Your first paragraph is very interesting in terms of performance goals.

[factchecker]

Yeah, and I'm sure they can make it happen. An assistant coach who's never had any training as an athletics administrator will be offered the job as Arkansas' AD.

Sure. And the sun will come up in the west tomorrow.

I agree with you 100%.  There is a faction of people who want Horton and crew back in our athletic department.  I'm sure they will show up in this thread sooner or later.

[radar]

We sure don't want to make any changes with our AD, he is known for making top notch hires from Pitt to UA . It would take an amazing effort by chancellor and BOT to downgrade from what we currently have.

[oldhawg]

I don't think Gus has failed miserably at Auburn but he hasn't gotten close to winning a title. I only think Auburn became a dream job because of his mistreatment at Arkansas.

Well,

"Malzahn inherited an Auburn Tigers football team that did not win a single Southeastern Conference game in the 2012 season, then led them to an SEC Championship and an appearance in the 2014 BCS Championship Game."

I would say that is pretty close to winning a title.

[Mike Irwin]

Your first paragraph is very interesting in terms of performance goals.

It usually works like this:

The embattled coach and his AD have a meeting. The coach is asked to detail what plans are in place to change the direction of the program. Usually the firing of one or more assistant coaches is discussed. The AD will then offer to add money to the budget to play top dollar for their replacements.

Again most of the time this is how it goes down. At a few schools (LSU & Auburn for instance) big bucks boosters are allowed to make the decision. Arkansas is not one of those schools.

[theFlyingHog]

What do Arkansas high school coaches think of Gus? Across the state, not just NWA

[VirginiaHog]

I like Gus. I wanted him the last 2hires. But not now. If he cant win there, what makes you think he can win here.

[Mike Irwin]

I like Gus. I wanted him the last 2hires. But not now. If he cant win there, what makes you think he can win here.

That is a big reason why he won't be offered. Not the only reason but it's a factor.

[Rudy Baylor]

I agree with you 100%.  There is a faction of people who want Horton and crew back in our athletic department.  I'm sure they will show up in this thread sooner or later.

Ha!

[jneal56]

Well,

"Malzahn inherited an Auburn Tigers football team that did not win a single Southeastern Conference game in the 2012 season, then led them to an SEC Championship and an appearance in the 2014 BCS Championship Game."

I would say that is pretty close to winning a title.

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Not a GM fan but I laughed when I read that part about not getting close to winning a title. Funny how some people forget such facts!

[HawgHeadCheese]

Well,

"Malzahn inherited an Auburn Tigers football team that did not win a single Southeastern Conference game in the 2012 season, then led them to an SEC Championship and an appearance in the 2014 BCS Championship Game."

I would say that is pretty close to winning a title.

I was responding to a post of someone saying Gus failed miserably at Auburn. I was disagreeing.

[Rudy Baylor]

What do Arkansas high school coaches think of Gus? Across the state, not just NWA

Who cares?

In the 80's, we had Arkansas high school coaches spouting off that they knew more football than Lou Holtz

[Rudy Baylor]

I like Gus. I wanted him the last 2hires. But not now. If he cant win there, what makes you think he can win here.

This is the answer

[jneal56]

I like Gus. I wanted him the last 2hires. But not now. If he cant win there, what makes you think he can win here.

The mindset of "You can't do it at Arkansas" baffles me. It can be done at any school with the correct combination of coaches and players. It's finding those combinations that is difficult. For hells sake, Oregon played in the NCG as did Virginia Tech. It can be done. Those of you who don't believe it can be, then you should be 100% satisfied with CBB. He's doing exactly what you want and expect.

[jjfmetal11]

All I know is if they actually keep BB then nobody gives a F#$@ about Arkansas football!     

[Poker_hog]

Gus is very much an opportunist.  He would have to go exactly 8-4 for him to come here.  Anything worse than that and we wouldn't him.  Anything better and there wouldn't be incentive for him to leave.  He currently has 2 losses and still has uga and bama left on the schedule so it's certainly possible.

[swineology]

It usually works like this:

The embattled coach and his AD have a meeting. The coach is asked to detail what plans are in place to change the direction of the program. Usually the firing of one or more assistant coaches is discussed. The AD will then offer to add money to the budget to play top dollar for their replacements.

Again most of the time this is how it goes down. At a few schools (LSU & Auburn for instance) big bucks boosters are allowed to make the decision. Arkansas is not one of those schools.

Yup

[HogCzar1]

You guys must know nothing about Jeff Long. I doubt that he'd fire BB without putting him on notice with some stated goals for improvement. That  would come following this season. But in any case Long would have to do a 180 to even consider hiring Malzahn. He knows that a good portion of the fan base still blames Malzahn for junior high-type antics that took place in 06.

Whether you agree with that or not there a bunch of folks out there who blame Gus. I remember a Hogville poll that showed Nutt had 8% support. I laughed at those who said it was accurate. A Hogville regular paid a professional polling company to conduct a scientific poll. This guy put his money where his mouth was.

When the results were in, as I recall, Nutt's actual support was in the 60% range.

Malzahn ain't coming here. If he does it will take hiring the president of the Gus Malzahn fan club as AD to make it happen.

Let's assume that Mike is dead on here. That at the end of this year, JL sits down with Bret and gives him some performance goals for 2018.

Just what would constitute a performance goal that Bret would need to meet next year?

7-5 next year against a weak schedule be good enough?

At some point, this program has to become competitive within the entire SEC. If the powers that be allow this level of achievement to continue indefinitely, they are going to risk losing financial support of individual boosters in droves. And, in addition, casual fans all across the state are going to quit watching.

I am beginning to think that some feel that there will be zero repercussions in allowing this level of performance to continue indefinitely.

[hoss cartrack]

Sad for us old timers who knew what Razorback Football meant in the 1960's and 1970's.  No pride or commitment to winning today

i have felt this way for years.   

[scottwillrazbackfan1]

BB finishes 4-8 this year, I'll be curious if JL can sale to the fanbase that's " its gonna be better next year ". Without fans the stadium is not full.

All the excuse BB makes during PCs are just excuses.  As he said at the beginning of the season, this is year 5, time to produce (I paraphrased). This is on him, no one else.

[ronmahony]

That is a big reason why he won't be offered. Not the only reason but it's a factor.

Mike I know you know more about the fiasco with Mitch, Nutt, and Gus, I just know what I have heard or read, but in my opinion Gus used those boys to get his foot in the door, had to have known what was going with butt and his crew, never said a word to anybody that might have helped them, then skipped out to Tulsa. If that did happen like that, why would we want someone like that? Not like he is setting the west in fire. Surely we can do better.

[Poker_hog]

You guys must know nothing about Jeff Long. I doubt that he'd fire BB without putting him on notice with some stated goals for improvement. That  would come following this season.

How do you know he hasn't been put on notice?  Long said something to the effect that BB knows he has to win more before the season started.  Also in the preseason there was talk of not giving the seniors preference on playing time.  There seemed to be a sense of urgency.  Obviously it didn't work out.

Supposedly, one of the main reasons bb came here is because of how his assistants were treated at wisky.  Long seems to be hands off in that department.  Long getting involved now would be too little too late. 

Unless there's a major turnaround the fan base is done with cbb.  Won't be easy to fill up the newly expanded stadium with a lame duck as head coach.

[swineology]

How do you know he hasn't been put on notice?  Long said something to the effect that BB knows he has to win more before the season started.  Also in the preseason there was talk of not giving the seniors preference on playing time.  There seemed to be a sense of urgency.  Obviously it didn't work out.

Supposedly, one of the main reasons bb came here is because of how his assistants were treated at wisky. Long seems to be hands off in that department.  Long getting involved now would be too little too late. 

Unless there's a major turnaround the fan base is done with cbb.  Won't be easy to fill up the newly expanded stadium with a lame duck as head coach.

t. Obviuos
Pay was what Bert said was the problems at Wisky. Here he's went through assistants like $hit through a goose. $$$$ weren't the issue, Bert was, hello Cpt. Obvious!

[Danny J]

Gus is very much an opportunist.  He would have to go exactly 8-4 for him to come here.  Anything worse than that and we wouldn't him.  Anything better and there wouldn't be incentive for him to leave.  He currently has 2 losses and still has uga and bama left on the schedule so it's certainly possible.

While it's certainly possible, although I hope not because it means beating us tomorrow, they still have a chance to win the SEC if they win out.

[Boarcephus]

You guys must know nothing about Jeff Long. I doubt that he'd fire BB without putting him on notice with some stated goals for improvement. That  would come following this season.

How last season ended was disappointing.  Could this have happened at the end of last season?