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[bigyellowdog]

Stoops will be long gone before any cloud starts hovering over their program.  This will be his last season there if the NCAA starts hanging around.

[Sao Ming]

WOW, that's unbelievable.
Does OU have any depth at QB?

They could always pull Manuel Johnson from the WR slot in a pinch - the 2004 Texas 3-A Player of the Year (Gilmer)

[whatsshakinbacon]

Oklahoma's slide back into mediocrity may have just begun...Regardless of being the NCAA "darling" they will no doubt be investigated and under a cloud of scrutiny for some time.  I just hope our recruiting coordinator is ready to pounce on Oklahoma talent...what's that?  We don't have a recruiting coordinator?  Time to get one...

These kids don't want to go to Texas or any other Big XII school so don't be surprised if we suddenly get some dynamite recruiting in OK.

I hate it for the Sooners but this may have just been a well wrapped gift for the U of A.

Bacon out...

[tulsahog36]

so much for OU winning the national title.   This changes the whole landscape of the big 12, now it is  a 3 team race in the south with OU, texas and TAMU.

[Sao Ming]

so much for OU winning the national title.   This changes the whole landscape of the big 12, now it is  a 3 team race in the south with OU, texas and TAMU.

Don't fade Texas Tech this year - thier defense is going to be much improved over the past two seasons.

[hogsanity]

so much for OU winning the national title.   This changes the whole landscape of the big 12, now it is  a 3 team race in the south with OU, texas and TAMU.

Don't fade Texas Tech this year - thier defense is going to be much improved over the past tow seasons.

TT does not need a btter D, they need an offense that can BEAT good defenses.  Look at the teams they played last year and lost too, or barely beat, those teams had good defenses. 

As for OU, you could see something like this coming with Bomar.  I thought he would probably get busted for drinking or drugs, but this is not at all unexpected.

[Sao Ming]

Not sure I agree, they lost to a poor OSU team because of D - wouldve given them 10 wins.  Wait, I am missing a second horroble loss of theirs and cant think of who it is..was it Baylor?

[Sao Ming]

Back to Bomar - for those in Dallas and who heard this on Bob and Dan, did they say something about Bomar/others driving new cars from a particular new car dealership in OK?  Did I hear that wrong?

[thehill1414]

Does OU have anyone besides Desmond Jackson that would want to break their commit and come visit the hogs?

[SL04]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

A lot of Sooner fans weren't big on Bomar anyway, and were hoping Thompson would win back the job anyway. I wasn't one of them, I thought Bomar would do well, but Thompson will be just fine. He's no world-beater, but you don't have to be when you have A.D. Peterson in the backfield and our caliber of receivers to throw to.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

[whatsshakinbacon]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

With all due respect, Stoops had no choice here.  The NCAA will likely come down on OU just like it did Arkansas, and dismissing the guilty players isn't a choice, it's going to be a requirement.

My question is, how smart is Bomar to turn in taxes on $18,000 last year for 250 hours worked?  That averages out to $72 per hour.  Don't you think he realizes that this may be slightly higher than the market average...even for a starting quarterback?

Boosters are going to be the downfall of all good programs.

Bacon out...

[hogsanity]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

A lot of Sooner fans weren't big on Bomar anyway, and were hoping Thompson would win back the job anyway. I wasn't one of them, I thought Bomar would do well, but Thompson will be just fine. He's no world-beater, but you don't have to be when you have A.D. Peterson in the backfield and our caliber of receivers to throw to.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH,  thats some powerful stuff you are smoking. What choice did Stoops have?  These guys were NCAA ineligible anyway, and with that amount of $$$$ they would never be back, so it was easy to do.   

[nwarazfan]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

[Richard_white]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

Barry Switzer had high standards.  Or to say high standards in getting in trouble.

[jb11]

It will be interesting to see how quickly the NCAA reacts to this.  One of the most frustrating things about our investigation was that it took forever to complete.  It might be different with one of their darlings. 

I'm sure it will be because the NCAA learned how to handle it better after their fiasco with the UA.

[WilsonHog]

"I firmly believe that our program is stronger than any individual player and that a championship program cannot compromise its values," Stoops said in the statement.

I love this statement.

[hogsanity]

"I firmly believe that our program is stronger than any individual player and that a championship program cannot compromise its values," Stoops said in the statement.

I love this statement.

Lets see if Bobby has the integrity to stay through the end of his contract, ESPECIALLY if the NCAA does hang around and actually punish OU.

[whatsshakinbacon]

I wonder if the NCAA will use the same Condo they bought for the extended vacation they spent in Norman in the '80's...

Bacon out...

[nwarazfan]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

Barry Switzer had high standards.  Or to say high standards in getting in trouble.

Ah, good ole Barry was just following the fine example set by Bud.

[HogsRuleSECW]

Oklahoma's slide back into mediocrity may have just begun...Regardless of being the NCAA "darling" they will no doubt be investigated and under a cloud of scrutiny for some time.  I just hope our recruiting coordinator is ready to pounce on Oklahoma talent...what's that?  We don't have a recruiting coordinator?  Time to get one...

These kids don't want to go to Texas or any other Big XII school so don't be surprised if we suddenly get some dynamite recruiting in OK.

I hate it for the Sooners but this may have just been a well wrapped gift for the U of A.

Bacon out...

I partially agree.  OK has more talent than Ark, but the state is by no means a football factory.  Ark needs to focus attention on all of the TX recruits OK is in on.  OK would be nothing without their great recruiting ties in the Lone Star State.

[SL04]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

We've definitely had some moments of shame in the past, but under Stoops' regime, he's run a clean program as far as I know.

[whatsshakinbacon]

Oklahoma's slide back into mediocrity may have just begun...Regardless of being the NCAA "darling" they will no doubt be investigated and under a cloud of scrutiny for some time.  I just hope our recruiting coordinator is ready to pounce on Oklahoma talent...what's that?  We don't have a recruiting coordinator?  Time to get one...

These kids don't want to go to Texas or any other Big XII school so don't be surprised if we suddenly get some dynamite recruiting in OK.

I hate it for the Sooners but this may have just been a well wrapped gift for the U of A.

Bacon out...

I partially agree.  OK has more talent than Ark, but the state is by no means a football factory.  Ark needs to focus attention on all of the TX recruits OK is in on.  OK would be nothing without their great recruiting ties in the Lone Star State.

That is a good point...many of those players are begging to leave Texas and a switch to Arkansas wouldn't be much of an obstacle.  The real winners in all of this are teams like LSU, Arkansas, Kansas State and Nebraska.  OSU will pull some that would have otherwise gone to OU as well.  Time to cast the nets, if only the players we recruit could remember the names of the coaches recruiting them...AAAAARGH!

Bacon out...

[hoggin das]

On Quinn, a OU fan says this


I think with OU's OL problems, this one may hurt the Sooners more than Bomar, although it won't get the same press coverage because it's not the QB.

Well said.

It has been reported that a large moving van has departed Fayetteville and is heading to Norman, Oklahoma.  It is rumored that this moving van is carrying the 'cloud of an NCAA investigation' to the OU campus!

And hopefully returning with some blue chip recruits.

[WilsonHog]

Gotta hate being a Sooner fan today. Not much worse as a college football fan that to see your favorite team's season implode before it ever starts.

[bigred7987]

BTW, if anyone is interested...The other QB's on the roster one is a JUCO transfer who got picked off 3 times in the spring game, another one is a true freshman that was decently recruited but no Gatorade POY, and the other is a walk-on sophomore who threw 2 passes in the spring game.  3 QB's never played a down.  Paul Thompson is at WR.  Will be interesting to see what they do.

[Macgyver Hawg]

The NCAA will do NOTHING to OU. 
OU makes money for them.

[whatsshakinbacon]

The NCAA will do NOTHING to OU. 
OU makes money for them.

That could have been said of the OU in the 80's...and the NCAA spanked them rather hard.  As much as we like to say the NCAA plays favorites, other than Tennessee I've not really seen it.  Alabama dang near got the death penalty, and they make the NCAA money as well.

Bacon out...

[Macgyver Hawg]

Alabama got their penalty with the help of Phil Fulmer who went undercover.  Without Phil, Alabama would have gotten off easy, as does the rest of top ranked teams today.

It's the 25 and unders that got to worry.

[bigred7987]

Like us? lol

[SL04]

Gotta hate being a Sooner fan today. Not much worse as a college football fan that to see your favorite team's season implode before it ever starts.

Call me a blind optimist, but I still feel confident in the Sooner season. I'll feel comfortable whoever is back there...most people agreed that Bomar was going to be one of our main weaknesses, so it's not like we just had A.D. Peterson or Rufus Alexander kicked off. Bomar was in a high position, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was/is irreplaceable.

If we do have a horrible season, then that's just the consequences that come from behavior like this. We'll have no one to blame but ourselves. It may be tough, but the Sooner fans will stick through it, just like they did in the 1990s.

One thing is for sure, the season just got a lot more interesting. Good luck to the Sooners, the Hogs, and anyone who plays Texas or Notre Dame.

[bigred7987]

Its not over yet you don't know who will be kicked off

[chillinhoggie]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

We've definitely had some moments of shame in the past, but under Stoops' regime, he's run a clean program as far as I know.

"soon·er    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (snr)
n. Slang
A person who settled homestead land in the western United States before it was officially made available, in order to have first choice of location. "

=cheater.

[ErieHog]

Another long year of 9,10, and 11 in the box for OU.

Bet Adrian Peterson is the angriest man in Oklahoma.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

lets see, we have a booster pay a couple of players an extra $100 for loading boxes, and we get kicked in the balls with a 2 year investigation.  OU has a booster pay a couple of players an extra $18,000 for 'working' at a used car lot.  anyone think the punishment will be proportional?  doubtful

[EastexHawg]

Let's see how Stoops handles a cloud.

That is if this turns out true.

I have heard nothing so far.

My money is like a true professional- like how Butch handled it at Miami, not like how amateur hour did here at Ark

I will be interested in this, too.  I wonder if Stoops, OU, and their fans will try to blame everything negative that happens in the next five or six years on "the investigation." 

Who is the AD at Oklahoma these days?  Is it still Steve Owens? 

Whoever it is, what are the odds that he will soon issue a statement telling the fans to be "patient" with Stoops for the next couple of years...and giving Bob a "free pass" until the 2008 or 2009 season.

I would say slim and none. 

[Smithian]

"I firmly believe that our program is stronger than any individual player and that a championship program cannot compromise its values," Stoops said in the statement.

In a way, I wish we had a coach with that attitude. Nutt does nothing but complain about the investigation.

Unless OU receives a punishment even we here at Hogville think is unfair, then I doubt we'll hear more than a small bit from Stoops about it.

[MrSpook1352]

I'm shocked, - shocked I say, that OU would in any way bend the rules.   

[whatsshakinbacon]

I'm shocked, - shocked I say, that OU would in any way bend the rules.  

When the investigation is over, it's my guess that they bent the rules about ten miles back....

Not that OU has any experience doing such.

Bacon out...

[VoR]

My guess is, it's from the investigation into AD's car that he had on loan for awhile (while his credit was being checked    ), and even with them tossing the 2 players it's going to be awful hard for the NCAA to not find institutional control here (or should I say lack there of).

[trufanofhogs]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

You betcha!!  OU is one of the dirtiest programs around for the last 40 years. Anybody watching for a long time knows it.

[nwarazfan]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

You betcha!!  OU is one of the dirtiest programs around for the last 40 years. Anybody watching for a long time knows it.

Stoops may have high integrity and their current admin may have good intentions to change the ways of the past there but they still have the same boosters who have no integrity.  This was only a matter of time.  Similar to Bama.  They got used to cheating for all those decades under Bud and Barry like Bama did under the Bear and they can't help themselves.  Its part of their culture.  Just nowadays you get caught.

[WilsonHog]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

"Oklahoma has high standards" ?  You are a youngin.  You need to learn some Sooner history.

You betcha!!  OU is one of the dirtiest programs around for the last 40 years. Anybody watching for a long time knows it.

Stoops may have high integrity and their current admin may have good intentions to change the ways of the past there but they still have the same boosters who have no integrity.  This was only a matter of time.  Similar to Bama.  They got used to cheating for all those decades under Bud and Barry like Bama did under the Bear and they can't help themselves.  Its part of their culture.  Just nowadays you get caught.

When did Alabama get probation?

[OklaU]

I heard the news by a phone call at work.  I was surprised to find that I wasn't that surprised or all that disappointed.  Bomar can hit the road, it's fine with me.  I also don't feel like the Sooners are in for a bad season as a result.  I mean 100 somewhat teams play for the NC every year but only one win it.  I guess we'll be among the other 100 somewhat who didn't.  Oh no.

As far as the NCAA, Stoops leaving, and all that.  Don't see that either, at least not at this point.

Bomar is without question one of the most selfish players I have ever seen where the OU uniform since Marcus Dupree.  He makes me sick. 

[WilsonHog]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

With all due respect, Stoops had no choice here.  The NCAA will likely come down on OU just like it did Arkansas, and dismissing the guilty players isn't a choice, it's going to be a requirement.

My question is, how smart is Bomar to turn in taxes on $18,000 last year for 250 hours worked?  That averages out to $72 per hour.  Don't you think he realizes that this may be slightly higher than the market average...even for a starting quarterback?

Boosters are going to be the downfall of all good programs.

Bacon out...

Even the University of Arkansas...right Jim Lindsey?

In progress as we speak.......

[pseudorabies]

Well, I am a diehard Sooner fan, and currently a student at OU; I'm only on here for the recruiting stuff.

I'm angry at the players involved and obviously the car dealership, but I'm proud of Stoops for showing no tolerance. Oklahoma has high standards, and kudos to Bob for having the balls to boot even his starting QB for not living up to those standards. Hopefully we will be punished to the extent we deserve, no more, no less. And as always, we'll be back to the top soon, and capture our eighth national championship. Boomer!

With all due respect, Stoops had no choice here.  The NCAA will likely come down on OU just like it did Arkansas, and dismissing the guilty players isn't a choice, it's going to be a requirement.

My question is, how smart is Bomar to turn in taxes on $18,000 last year for 250 hours worked?  That averages out to $72 per hour.  Don't you think he realizes that this may be slightly higher than the market average...even for a starting quarterback?

Boosters are going to be the downfall of all good programs.

Bacon out...

Even the University of Arkansas...right Jim Lindsey?

In progress as we speak.......

Nah, he has already accomplished that.  He is just seeing how long he can keep his foot pushing our head under water.

[Oklahawg]

Joe Castiglione is the AD at OU, I believe.

Big stretch for folks to call this institutional control, isn't it? That implies the school knew it was happening and encouraged it, or was caught once and did nothing. This is not players firing off an Uzi in the halls of the athletic dorm, which contributed to Barry's downfall.

[ErieHog]

Joe Castiglione is the AD at OU, I believe.

Big stretch for folks to call this institutional control, isn't it? That implies the school knew it was happening and encouraged it, or was caught once and did nothing. This is not players firing off an Uzi in the halls of the athletic dorm, which contributed to Barry's downfall.

Institutional Control has a set of specific conditions that must be met, to be levied as a charge; for the specifics, see
http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/compl/tools/thetools/instctl.pdf

[Hollywood_HOGan]

I like the classy posts by the couple of oklahoma fans. They didnt have any slams on Arkansas which is unusual.

ALot of my friends are die hard sooner fans and they seem to think that they still have a shot at the championship. "We still have Adrian." Yes AD is very very good but one man cannot win a national championship. Im sorry but defenses are much different than they used to be. AD is not gonna avg 220 yards per game and 3 TDs. Aint gonna happen when teams are so geared to stopping him.

Paul Thompson may be the right choice for now. If you're gonna have a QB who hasnt done anything, might as well have one that can run and pass. Thompson was pretty painful in the one game i saw him start in though.  He's been at WR for about a year now.

Face it, this puts OU in a horrible position. Bomar was the future of the program and was groomed to take this team to the National Championship. It will be a very very interesting August in Norman, Oklahoma to say the least.

In reality, OU went from probably a 12 win season to a 8 or 9 win season. OU will still be good but probably not as good as they could have been .

[chiefsfan]

part of me is wondering what is so big about the Bomar issue that it deserved a sticky on the Arkansas board.   We dont even play these guys this year (or anyone in their conference for that matter)

[williamsB]

we recruit against them every year