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Pat Dye on Condoleezza Rice: 'All she knows about football is what somebody told her'

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superior_wang

Quote from: Fan1958 on October 08, 2013, 04:16:48 pm
I don't know that doing either makes one's opinion relevant but based upon what I read on this board there are a boatload of folks who are beer drinkers and nut scratchers.

isnt that an old ZZ Top song ?  ba-da- bing!

superior_wang

October 09, 2013, 09:04:12 am #101 Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 11:54:39 am by superior_wang
Quote from: DukeOfPork on October 08, 2013, 09:52:02 pm
Brilliant.  You thought Condi Rice was Michelle Obama.  I guess because "all black people look alike".

Do you really not know the difference between those two people?  95% of the comments in this thread are completely asinine. 

yeah like this one:
Quote from: The Artist Yo Huckleberry on October 08, 2013, 04:15:57 pm
Japs Bomb Pearl!

Oh, and this is ridiculous sorry polical bs joke to have her on this committee.

Japs? **giggles**  WTH???!  I get it  now. Hogville still thinks its 1960 ..the whole world is white, and we are still competitive in football. HA!  Wow took me a while to figure that one out. .......sheeeeeeeesh... ok back  to my porn search...

 

Michael D Huff AIA

Quote from: devildoghawg on October 08, 2013, 05:48:18 pm
Right, because she has such a huge affiliation with Obama's party.  You do realize she worked for the Bush Administration first right?

+ a billion

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story, or in Hogville's case, a good "opinion".

the_kosher_pig

Quote from: AlmaHog2011 on August 24, 2012, 11:24:06 am
Or unless your and idiot that is just trying to stir things up.

Michael D Huff AIA

We don't want someone from the political arena involved with college football?  I hate to break it to everyone, but college football is nothing but politics. 

Why does Notre Dame have a seat at the committee table for the new playoff?

At the end of the season you see every coach behind a microphone pleading their case to the committee as to why they belong in the championship game or a BCS game. 

Schools change conferences to gain exposure for recruiting and money.

As we saw with the almost-collapse of the Big 12, Texas runs that conference, and all the moves made to keep that conference alive were made to get Texas the Longhorn Network. 

Political moves in NCAA sports is nothing new. 

the_kosher_pig

Quote from: AlmaHog2011 on August 24, 2012, 11:24:06 am
Or unless your and idiot that is just trying to stir things up.

Southern Hogspitality

Quote from: the_kosher_pig on October 08, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
I was clever and sexist all in one.  You failed at trying a 15 year old style retort.  I win.
So you are one of those people who believe in moral victories

the_kosher_pig

Quote from: AlmaHog2011 on August 24, 2012, 11:24:06 am
Or unless your and idiot that is just trying to stir things up.

Michael D Huff AIA

Quote from: the_kosher_pig on October 09, 2013, 10:04:08 am
Fire Notre Dame.

What other way does Notre Dame become the only individual school that finds their way to the playoff committee WITHOUT politics?

60 Minutes of Hell

Do you guys not read the news?  Within a week of the concept of a selection committee being reported, most experts predicted that Rice would be on the committee.  This shouldn't be a surprise, and - if you put your politics aside and do just a little bit of research - it shouldn't be concerning.
What a fool I used to be.

the_kosher_pig

Quote from: AlmaHog2011 on August 24, 2012, 11:24:06 am
Or unless your and idiot that is just trying to stir things up.

nughaud

Quote from: razorson on October 08, 2013, 04:13:02 pm
She's a huge FB fan and a very smart women. She wanted to be NFL commissioner.

You mean she wanted a job in the most powerful sport in US and close to soccer world-wide? Who wouldn't?... not to mention the salary, prestige and TV air-time. I wanted that job too.

nughaud

October 09, 2013, 11:03:06 am #112 Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 11:16:12 am by nughaud
Quote from: devildoghawg on October 08, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
This has been discussed about 45 times already.  She probably has more knowledge about College Football than this entire board combined.  She is very intelligent when it comes to the game.  You also get the aspect of her having ZERO bias when it comes to selecting teams.  It is a brilliant choice, and just because you are a slack jawed mouth breather that hates women and kicks his dog when the Cowboys lose doesn't mean that a women isn't qualified to be on the panel.  Grow up and do some fact finding before you post this nonsense.

I'm not for or against someone being a member based on age, race, gender etc, but to say she has more knowledge when it comes to football than most of the people on her is quite funny.  I suppose you were eating dinner at her house last week? Your post is no better than the comment you are replying to.

I'm all for a diverse background and panels when it comes to these committees, but this is more for show than anything else. They will continue to use the BCS ranking system, polls etc, and these people will just decide the semantics behind the scene. 

Politics my friend, it's all for show.

 

DeltaBoy

Ms Rice will do a great job. She is from the SOUTH and will protect the SEC!
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

Torqued pork

She will probably be the least biased person on the panel. I don't get why some are freaking out like it's a supreme court nominee.

The Artist Yo Huckleberry

Quote from: Bubbaswinestein on October 09, 2013, 11:23:55 am
She will probably be the least biased person on the panel.
Only because, as it relates to THE subject, college football, she will be the most ignorant person on the panel.

Torqued pork

Quote from: The Artist Yo Huckleberry on October 09, 2013, 11:26:25 am
Only because, as it relates to THE subject, college football, she will be the most ignorant person on the panel.
Archie Manning just endorsed her selection which is akin to being endorsed by the Almighty as it relates to THE subject.

MacHog19

There is no question that Condi Rice is very intelligent and I believe she would take her role very seriously.  It is said that she is a fan of college football, but I don't see that qualifying her for the position.  It's not an issue of her gender; it is an issue of how well she knows the game, how closely she follows the game and whether she is willing to commit the time necessary to review a season's worth of games to fairly review and vote for the teams who deserve to be in the playoffs.  I disagree with David Pollack and Pat Dye that only  people who played college football should be allowed to serve.  By the same token, if Rice is merely being appointed for political correctness, then that is a bad appointment.

redeye

Quote from: Michael D Huff AIA on October 09, 2013, 09:19:30 am
We don't want someone from the political arena involved with college football?  I hate to break it to everyone, but college football is nothing but politics. 

Why does Notre Dame have a seat at the committee table for the new playoff?

At the end of the season you see every coach behind a microphone pleading their case to the committee as to why they belong in the championship game or a BCS game. 

Schools change conferences to gain exposure for recruiting and money.

As we saw with the almost-collapse of the Big 12, Texas runs that conference, and all the moves made to keep that conference alive were made to get Texas the Longhorn Network. 

Political moves in NCAA sports is nothing new.

So, you're equating football politics with inside the Beltway politics? Seriously?

I'm sure you'll be happy when Congress outlaws tackling and turns the game into flag football, then.

The Artist Yo Huckleberry

Quote from: Bubbaswinestein on October 09, 2013, 11:47:06 am
Archie Manning just endorsed her selection which is akin to being endorsed by the Almighty as it relates to THE subject.
Says who? And WTH do you expect him to say?

superior_wang

Quote from: Michael D Huff AIA on October 09, 2013, 09:19:30 am
We don't want someone from the political arena involved with college football?  I hate to break it to everyone, but college football is nothing but politics. 

Why does Notre Dame have a seat at the committee table for the new playoff?

At the end of the season you see every coach behind a microphone pleading their case to the committee as to why they belong in the championship game or a BCS game. 

Schools change conferences to gain exposure for recruiting and money.

As we saw with the almost-collapse of the Big 12, Texas runs that conference, and all the moves made to keep that conference alive were made to get Texas the Longhorn Network. 

Political moves in NCAA sports is nothing new.

hey ! stop with  the facts . Gives hogville heartburn.

The whole "rules dont apply to ND "  just kills me....  im not sure but going forward, do they  have any other special rules for them regarding the playoff system?

Torqued pork

It has nothing to do with Hog football. Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus would've been fine by me.

superior_wang

Quote from: Bubbaswinestein on October 09, 2013, 12:11:52 pm
It has nothing to do with Hog football. Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus would've been fine by me.

MIley is (apparently) another one of them "Batesville chicks" as someone said earlier. Ha, i like that one.

hoglady

She's the least likely person to come to the table with an agenda.
Ya'll act like she'll just waltz in unprepared, having watched little football that season. Her history doesn't support that opinion.
She'll most likely take her role every seriously, study the teams and study the games. And make informed, well thought out decisions.
Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?

"Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man."
― Arthur Schopenhauer, The Basis of Morality

 

Huckleberry Pig

this "she watches a lot of football" argument is BS.  Just because I like women doesn't mean im qualified to be a judge for Miss America. 

I think you should have to at least have a connection with the sport in some way other than "I like watching it".

hoglady

Quote from: Huckleberry Pig on October 09, 2013, 01:32:29 pm
this "she watches a lot of football" argument is BS.  Just because I like women doesn't mean im qualified to be a judge for Miss America. 

I think you should have to at least have a connection with the sport in some way other than "I like watching it".

For years we let a bunch of sportswriters who did nothing but "watch games" decide a National Champion. Or we let coaches with an agenda, who had no time to watch other teams play decide a National Champion. Or we let a bunch of computers decide a National Champion.
Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?

"Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man."
― Arthur Schopenhauer, The Basis of Morality

Dominicanhog

Quote from: hoglady on October 08, 2013, 11:06:35 pm
And she won't be run over or intimidated by the blowhards.

Like she was in her political career? 

What I don't understand is what this has to do with Hog Football, it should be in general sports or politics.

EXSPAHOG

remember how she did on the WMDs in Iraq discussions !!!

NoNC4Tubs


Chestodrawers

      If Pat Dye is against her, thats all I need to know. Anyone Pat Dye is against can't be all bad. I say she must be a good choice!!

Hawgphish

Condoleeza rice...I had a big bowl of that last time I was in New Orleans.

Chestodrawers

      Like it makes any difference. There may be some dispute over the number 4 team that gets in, but that all. In a 4 team field, by the end of the season everyone on HV knows the 1 and 2 teams will be obvious. Probably the 3 team will be obvious. So the only thing they will be talking about is 4 spot.

onebadrubi

Quote from: DadVader1 on October 08, 2013, 11:49:56 pm
Since integrity is one of the criteria for being on the committee, Lance's opinion on the matter does not matter  :)
It was a joke about scratching nuts...

OTTER

Quote from: Chestodrawers on October 09, 2013, 06:07:46 pm
      If Pat Dye is against her, thats all I need to know. Anyone Pat Dye is against can't be all bad. I say she must be a good choice!!
And, in fact, she is a very good choice.  Dye is an idiot.  Remember, he said even if Cheezeslick lost every game, he was safe.  How wrong was that?  Dye is dumber than dirt, but he's Awbarn's hero!
BE AFRAID!!  Be very, very afraid!  The Hogs are hungry and you look a lot like lunch!

sowmonella

Condi Rice is known as a brilliant negotiator. This will come in handy with this committee. The others are all used to getting their way on most matters. I don't think this is a bad pick at all.
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redeye

Quote from: hoglady on October 09, 2013, 01:25:04 pm
She's the least likely person to come to the table with an agenda.
Ya'll act like she'll just waltz in unprepared, having watched little football that season. Her history doesn't support that opinion.
She'll most likely take her role every seriously, study the teams and study the games. And make informed, well thought out decisions.

I completely disagree. It's always politics first with national politicians and I doubt that she's any different. She's a very smart and capable woman, which ought to make people wonder why she even has an interest in participating. It's long been said that she desires to become NFL commissioner one day, but it's naive to think that national politics isn't still the driving force behind her desire to become a member of the selection committee. When she's using her position to endorse a candidate for the Republican Primary that you guys don't like, then you can blame yourself for helping put her there.

What if it were Nancy Pelosi, instead? How many of you would support Pelosi becoming a member? Personally, I don't want any national politicians as members or anyone else not associated with college football in some way or another. It doesn't take a genius to do the job, but there should be some qualifications and standards. If not, then it won't be long until Donald Trump is putting his name out there and I don't want him, either.

mckinneyhog5

Quote from: redeye on October 09, 2013, 09:49:11 pm
I completely disagree. It's always politics first with national politicians and I doubt that she's any different. She's a very smart and capable woman, which ought to make people wonder why she even has an interest in participating. It's long been said that she desires to become NFL commissioner one day, but it's naive to think that national politics isn't still the driving force behind her desire to become a member of the selection committee. When she's using her position to endorse a candidate for the Republican Primary that you guys don't like, then you can blame yourself for helping put her there.

What if it were Nancy Pelosi, instead? How many of you would support Pelosi becoming a member? Personally, I don't want any national politicians as members or anyone else not associated with college football in some way or another. It doesn't take a genius to do the job, but there should be some qualifications and standards. If not, then it won't be long until Donald Trump is putting his name out there and I don't want him, either.
Exactly, it's not going to take an Einstein to do the job.  I really don't understand the need for her to be on the committee.  If she wants to be NFL commissioner then let her find a job in the NFL.  Leave college football out of her quest to be the NFL head honcho. 
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texas tush hog

Quote from: hobhog on October 08, 2013, 04:23:26 pm
Better than Pat Dye.

She should be fairly impartial. Most can't.

She was a Stanford professor.

ballz2thewall

Quote from: Fayettechill14 on October 08, 2013, 04:10:05 pm
She is extremely intelligent

She is a big fan of college football and follows it closely

She adds diversity, both gender and race

She has a different football background, so that the committee isn't all ADs, all former coaches, etc.

I don't mind her being on the committee at all. I'm glad they are mixing up the backgrounds of its members.

some here will undoubtedly consider organized football to be beyond the ability of a former secretary of state, whose primary duty involved deal making at the very highest levels on the entire planet.  the constant task of balancing human life with sustaining economic principles ensnarled in ever changing methods of governance should make the football selection committee responsibilities seem quite daunting.
The rest of the frog.

olivebranchhog

Haha...funny how politically opinionated and slanted Arkansas politics has been...yet is perennially one of the least educated states in the union. Also for a state that has one of the highest political retention rates in the country you never see anything improve. I believe these statistics prove the true ability of the state to critically think about and decipher situations. When I see Fox News headlines used as part of an argument, I immediately think of a stray dogs that are happy with roadkill for food. Keep taking what you're given without doing any real work. Oh well...trying to bring truth and logic into a political conversation usually gets me alienated. At the end of the day...if Arkansas education was anything close to "par"...the idiotic representatives from the state wouldn't see reelection. As my Dad always said..."We moved to Arkansas to stand out. Once you're done reading Harry Potter you'll be qualified to get a diploma here." Then we ended up moving to Mississippi...upon that time he told me, "Now you just have to spell your name."
Sometimes it takes a loss to make us realize what's really important

Torqued pork

I seriously doubt she will be nearly as politically motivated as many of the posters here.

The Artist Yo Huckleberry

October 10, 2013, 03:31:58 pm #141 Last Edit: October 10, 2013, 03:45:52 pm by The Artist Yo Huckleberry
Quote from: Bubbaswinestein on October 10, 2013, 03:11:44 pm
I seriously doubt she will be nearly as politically motivated as many of the posters here.
Its not that she may be politically motivated, it's that the appointment itself is politically motivated fat-cattery that pisses me off. She gets into Augusta because she's a politico and it makes the good ol boys look good and feel good about themselves. She gets on this committee because whoever it is that is setting up the committee wants to kiss her political ass.

The Divine Swine

Quote from: redeye on October 09, 2013, 09:49:11 pm
I completely disagree. It's always politics first with national politicians and I doubt that she's any different. She's a very smart and capable woman, which ought to make people wonder why she even has an interest in participating. It's long been said that she desires to become NFL commissioner one day, but it's naive to think that national politics isn't still the driving force behind her desire to become a member of the selection committee. When she's using her position to endorse a candidate for the Republican Primary that you guys don't like, then you can blame yourself for helping put her there.

What if it were Nancy Pelosi, instead? How many of you would support Pelosi becoming a member? Personally, I don't want any national politicians as members or anyone else not associated with college football in some way or another. It doesn't take a genius to do the job, but there should be some qualifications and standards. If not, then it won't be long until Donald Trump is putting his name out there and I don't want him, either.

Because nancy pelosi is an idiot that said we have to pass a bill before we know what is in it. She actually said regarding the massive porkulus bill that it had to be passed first, then after the fact determine what is in it. and that is what they did. That is one of many reasons why Pelosi would be an atrocious choice for any panel including her current role.
Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

bleedhogred

Well, the reasons for or against any person on the panel is formed on personal opinions of qaulifications, bias and racial/sexist ideas....Thats how it should be, if someone doesnt want her on for any reason that is there choice, why all the name calling because they dont agree with you. Political correctness will be the downfall of this country... I dont care if shes there or not, obviously a smart lady, but she wouldnt be my choice. I dont like female commentators in football, just my choice....
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The Artist Yo Huckleberry

Quote from: Hogcrates on October 10, 2013, 03:50:21 pm
Because nancy pelosi is an idiot that said we have to pass a bill before we know what is in it. She actually said regarding the massive porkulus bill that it had to be passed first, then after the fact determine what is in it. and that is what they did. That is one of many reasons why Pelosi would be an atrocious choice for any panel including her current role.
And Condi sent us to war. Now YOUR perception of Mrs Pelosi is that she's an idiot, but you need to know that the perception of many people in this country, whether you like it or not or whether you agree or not, is that Ms Rice is an idiot.

The Divine Swine

Quote from: The Artist Yo Huckleberry on October 10, 2013, 03:55:52 pm
And Condi sent us to war. Now YOUR perception of Mrs Pelosi is that she's an idiot, but you need to know that the perception of many people in this country, whether you like it or not or whether you agree or not, is that Ms Rice is an idiot.

actually congress voted to go to war in Iraq. Hillary and Kerry also because the intelligence at the time dictated it. Reign of Terror documentary about saddam should convince the iraq war detractors that removing his evil was justified. As for thinking Condi Rice is an idiot, most would scoff at such a notion. You can fabricate whatever you want to in your own mind, but the majority of America would trust Condi with pretty much anything over pass it to see what's in it pelosi.
Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

tbhogfan

I have nothing against Condoleeza Rice-she is obviously a brilliant and accomplished person, but I do not think just "liking and following college football" should be enough of a criteria to be a member of a small selection committee. 

I would prefer that the selection committee consist of people more closely associated with the sport, either as a coach, player, administrator, etc.
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56Hog

Quote from: hoglady on October 09, 2013, 01:25:04 pm
She's the least likely person to come to the table with an agenda.

Everyone at that table always has an agenda.  It's just that favoring one college football team over another isn't high on the agenda for some.
"This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." - Winston Churchill

The Artist Yo Huckleberry

Quote from: Hogcrates on October 10, 2013, 04:01:31 pm
actually congress voted to go to war in Iraq. Hillary and Kerry also because the intelligence at the time dictated it. Reign of Terror documentary about saddam should convince the iraq war detractors that removing his evil was justified. As for thinking Condi Rice is an idiot, most would scoff at such a notion. You can fabricate whatever you want to in your own mind, but the majority of America would trust Condi with pretty much anything over pass it to see what's in it pelosi.
Your bias is showing, pal. As an American citizen, you should be disgusted and irate over political fat-cattery from EITHER party.

The Divine Swine

Quote from: The Artist Yo Huckleberry on October 10, 2013, 04:12:03 pm
Your bias is showing, pal. As an American citizen, you should be disgusted and irate over political fat-cattery from EITHER party.

My bias? pot meet kettle! And I might agree, except I actually believe she is qualified. I believe she brings to the panel a different perspective. Perhaps the break through in discussions will be a real world experience solution rather than just narrow focused football solution. so it does not matter to me that she is a politician other than she has real world i.e. real planet experience. Your objection is not based in racism is it? You know if it were reversed folks like you would be crying wolf/racism.
Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.