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Since 1894

October 13, 2005, 09:20:28 am Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 10:58:41 am by HoopHog
I was looking through the Media guide and was amazed how our schedule has changed since our glory days in the SWC.    Here is a list (by year) of games against ranked teams.

Ken Hatfield –

1984   2    (Texas # 3 and Auburn # 11)
1985   1    (Baylor # 11)
1986   2    (A&M # 7 and Oklahoma # 3)
1987   3   (Miami # 5, A&M #19 and Georgia # 15)
1988   2   (Miami # 3 and UCLA # 9)
1989   3   (Houston # 12, A&M # 14 and Tennessee # 8)

Jack Crowe -

1990   2   (Houston # 6 and Texas # 19)
1991   4   (Miami # 3, Baylor # 21, A&M # 13 and Georgia # 24)

Joe Kines – (WELCOME TO THE SEC)

1992   4   (Alabama # 9, Georgia #16, Tennessee #4 and Miss. State # 19)

Danny Ford -

1993   3   (S. Carolina # 19, Alabama # 2 and Tennessee # 11)
1994   3    (Alabama # 12, Auburn # 4 and Miss St. # 24)
1995   4   (Alabama # 13, Tennessee #7, Auburn #11 and Florida #2 (SECCG))
1996   4   (Alabama # 13, Florida # 1, Tennessee # 12 and LSU # 19)
1997   6   (Bama # 11, Flor. # 1, Aub # 11, Tenn # 5, Miss. St. # 14, and LSU # 17)

Houston Nutt -

1998   3   (Alabama # 22, Tennessee # 1 and Michigan # 15)
1999   4   (Ole Miss # 23, Tennessee # 3, Miss St. # 12 and Texas # 14)
2000   5   (Georgia # 25, S. Carolina # 24, Aub. # 25, Miss. St. # 13 and LSU # 24)
2001   4   (Tennessee # 8, S. Carolina # 9, Auburn # 10 and Oklahoma # 10)
2002   4   (Tennessee # 10, Auburn # 24, LSU # 18 and Georgia # 4 (SECCG))
2003   2   (Texas # 5 and LSU # 3)
2004   5   (Texas # 7, Flor. # 16, Aub. # 4, Georgia # 6 and LSU # 12)
2005   5   (USC # 1, Alabama # 15, Auburn # 21, Georgia # ? and LSU # ?)

I am sure that both sides (Pro HDN and Con HDN) can use this information to support their prospective arguments.  My only comment is that no matter how this season turns out, these past two years we have been playing against superior talent with a very young team.  They have been baptized under fire and should be better next year and afterwards.

Be Good
The first thing I heard today was that he grew up on a pig farm. That's quite a start in my book. And my last memory was watching him hang 70 on Nebraska. Just those two facts are enough (for me to like him). Then, I hear that he's out of the Hayden Fry-Bill Snyder-Barry Alvarez coaching tree. Oh, that's enough for me to like a lot. Then, I hear he's got a 27-year-old wife. Okay, we can stop. I like him.

BARRY SWITZER- Former Arkansas Asst. Coach
Quote given to Clay Henry

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

hogfan11

October 13, 2005, 09:27:58 am #1
Wow those are some neat statistics.
 

dirty stanchez

October 13, 2005, 09:56:17 am #2
We'll be better once Nutt is fired.

TulsaHogFan

October 13, 2005, 10:13:40 am #3
I am just going to infer that pretty much everyone else in our conference is getting better while we are standing still.

Bomis Hawg

October 13, 2005, 10:16:47 am #4
Wasn't it 2001 the last time Arkansas won back-to-back games over ranked teams?

Sound the Horns

October 13, 2005, 10:21:38 am #5
Boy, it would be nice to have a number by our team someday. Problem is, some of you people act like that isn't an option. When your a good team thats ranked every once in a while, those stats don't look like a nightmare.

Since 1894

October 13, 2005, 11:26:00 am #6
Quote from: Bomis Hawg on October 13, 2005, 10:16:47 am
Wasn't it 2001 the last time Arkansas won back-to-back games over ranked teams?

Yea, S. Carolina then Auburn.
The first thing I heard today was that he grew up on a pig farm. That's quite a start in my book. And my last memory was watching him hang 70 on Nebraska. Just those two facts are enough (for me to like him). Then, I hear that he's out of the Hayden Fry-Bill Snyder-Barry Alvarez coaching tree. Oh, that's enough for me to like a lot. Then, I hear he's got a 27-year-old wife. Okay, we can stop. I like him.

BARRY SWITZER- Former Arkansas Asst. Coach
Quote given to Clay Henry

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

bknight33

October 13, 2005, 11:46:47 am #7
Quote from: Since 1894 on October 13, 2005, 09:20:28 am
I was looking through the Media guide and was amazed how our schedule has changed since our glory days in the SWC.    Here is a list (by year) of games against ranked teams.

Ken Hatfield –

1984   2    (Texas # 3 and Auburn # 11)
1985   1    (Baylor # 11)
1986   2    (A&M # 7 and Oklahoma # 3)
1987   3   (Miami # 5, A&M #19 and Georgia # 15)
1988   2   (Miami # 3 and UCLA # 9)
1989   3   (Houston # 12, A&M # 14 and Tennessee # 8)

Jack Crowe -

1990   2   (Houston # 6 and Texas # 19)
1991   4   (Miami # 3, Baylor # 21, A&M # 13 and Georgia # 24)

Joe Kines – (WELCOME TO THE SEC)

1992   4   (Alabama # 9, Georgia #16, Tennessee #4 and Miss. State # 19)

Danny Ford -

1993   3   (S. Carolina # 19, Alabama # 2 and Tennessee # 11)
1994   3    (Alabama # 12, Auburn # 4 and Miss St. # 24)
1995   4   (Alabama # 13, Tennessee #7, Auburn #11 and Florida #2 (SECCG))
1996   4   (Alabama # 13, Florida # 1, Tennessee # 12 and LSU # 19)
1997   6   (Bama # 11, Flor. # 1, Aub # 11, Tenn # 5, Miss. St. # 14, and LSU # 17)

Houston Nutt -

1998   3   (Alabama # 22, Tennessee # 1 and Michigan # 15)
1999   4   (Ole Miss # 23, Tennessee # 3, Miss St. # 12 and Texas # 14)
2000   5   (Georgia # 25, S. Carolina # 24, Aub. # 25, Miss. St. # 13 and LSU # 24)
2001   4   (Tennessee # 8, S. Carolina # 9, Auburn # 10 and Oklahoma # 10)
2002   4   (Tennessee # 10, Auburn # 24, LSU # 18 and Georgia # 4 (SECCG))
2003   2   (Texas # 5 and LSU # 3)
2004   5   (Texas # 7, Flor. # 16, Aub. # 4, Georgia # 6 and LSU # 12)
2005   5   (USC # 1, Alabama # 15, Auburn # 21, Georgia # ? and LSU # ?)

I am sure that both sides (Pro HDN and Con HDN) can use this information to support their prospective arguments.  My only comment is that no matter how this season turns out, these past two years we have been playing against superior talent with a very young team.  They have been baptized under fire and should be better next year and afterwards.

Be Good


Are those final season  rankings?

hogsanity

October 13, 2005, 11:58:28 am #8
But to hear people tell, the SWC was the greatest most powerful conference ever on the face of the earth.  THose who long for the glory days insist that we played great teams every week, when, in reality we maybe played 2 a yr that were worth a darn, thats why we were ranked most years cause we beat the teams we should have.

Now, you can argue this team didnt even do that, and you may be right. 

And then there are some who think our sched isnt tough enough, although those people have some sort of substance abuse going on. 
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

corndo

October 13, 2005, 11:58:39 am #9
Quote from: Since 1894 on October 13, 2005, 09:20:28 am
I was looking through the Media guide and was amazed how our schedule has changed since our glory days in the SWC.    Here is a list (by year) of games against ranked teams.

Ken Hatfield –

1984   2    (Texas # 3 and Auburn # 11)
1985   1    (Baylor # 11)
1986   2    (A&M # 7 and Oklahoma # 3)
1987   3   (Miami # 5, A&M #19 and Georgia # 15)
1988   2   (Miami # 3 and UCLA # 9)
1989   3   (Houston # 12, A&M # 14 and Tennessee # 8)

Jack Crowe -

1990   2   (Houston # 6 and Texas # 19)
1991   4   (Miami # 3, Baylor # 21, A&M # 13 and Georgia # 24)

Joe Kines – (WELCOME TO THE SEC)

1992   4   (Alabama # 9, Georgia #16, Tennessee #4 and Miss. State # 19)

Danny Ford -

1993   3   (S. Carolina # 19, Alabama # 2 and Tennessee # 11)
1994   3    (Alabama # 12, Auburn # 4 and Miss St. # 24)
1995   4   (Alabama # 13, Tennessee #7, Auburn #11 and Florida #2 (SECCG))
1996   4   (Alabama # 13, Florida # 1, Tennessee # 12 and LSU # 19)
1997   6   (Bama # 11, Flor. # 1, Aub # 11, Tenn # 5, Miss. St. # 14, and LSU # 17)

Houston Nutt -

1998   3   (Alabama # 22, Tennessee # 1 and Michigan # 15)
1999   4   (Ole Miss # 23, Tennessee # 3, Miss St. # 12 and Texas # 14)
2000   5   (Georgia # 25, S. Carolina # 24, Aub. # 25, Miss. St. # 13 and LSU # 24)
2001   4   (Tennessee # 8, S. Carolina # 9, Auburn # 10 and Oklahoma # 10)
2002   4   (Tennessee # 10, Auburn # 24, LSU # 18 and Georgia # 4 (SECCG))
2003   2   (Texas # 5 and LSU # 3)
2004   5   (Texas # 7, Flor. # 16, Aub. # 4, Georgia # 6 and LSU # 12)
2005   5   (USC # 1, Alabama # 15, Auburn # 21, Georgia # ? and LSU # ?)

I am sure that both sides (Pro HDN and Con HDN) can use this information to support their prospective arguments.  My only comment is that no matter how this season turns out, these past two years we have been playing against superior talent with a very young team.  They have been baptized under fire and should be better next year and afterwards.

Be Good



Changed from Ken Hatfield and the SWC days? - Yes. Changed from when we entered the SEC in 1992? - Not that much. Matter of fact, it looks like Ford had it

the ruffest in 1997, maybe we should have given him another contract extention after all, it wasn't his fault he went 4-7!

HogHeathen

October 13, 2005, 12:00:25 pm #10
So are you trying to give a poor caoch an excuse for starting a losing trend?

Hornkiller

October 13, 2005, 12:05:58 pm #11
Quote from: Marty Houston's Boy on October 13, 2005, 11:46:47 am
Quote from: Since 1894 on October 13, 2005, 09:20:28 am
I was looking through the Media guide and was amazed how our schedule has changed since our glory days in the SWC. Here is a list (by year) of games against ranked teams.

Ken Hatfield –

1984   2    (Texas # 3 and Auburn # 11)
1985   1    (Baylor # 11)
1986   2    (A&M # 7 and Oklahoma # 3)
1987   3   (Miami # 5, A&M #19 and Georgia # 15)
1988   2   (Miami # 3 and UCLA # 9)
1989   3   (Houston # 12, A&M # 14 and Tennessee # 8)

Jack Crowe -

1990   2   (Houston # 6 and Texas # 19)
1991   4   (Miami # 3, Baylor # 21, A&M # 13 and Georgia # 24)

Joe Kines – (WELCOME TO THE SEC)

1992   4   (Alabama # 9, Georgia #16, Tennessee #4 and Miss. State # 19)

Danny Ford -

1993   3   (S. Carolina # 19, Alabama # 2 and Tennessee # 11)
1994   3    (Alabama # 12, Auburn # 4 and Miss St. # 24)
1995   4   (Alabama # 13, Tennessee #7, Auburn #11 and Florida #2 (SECCG))
1996   4   (Alabama # 13, Florida # 1, Tennessee # 12 and LSU # 19)
1997   6   (Bama # 11, Flor. # 1, Aub # 11, Tenn # 5, Miss. St. # 14, and LSU # 17)

Houston Nutt -

1998   3   (Alabama # 22, Tennessee # 1 and Michigan # 15)
1999   4   (Ole Miss # 23, Tennessee # 3, Miss St. # 12 and Texas # 14)
2000   5   (Georgia # 25, S. Carolina # 24, Aub. # 25, Miss. St. # 13 and LSU # 24)
2001   4   (Tennessee # 8, S. Carolina # 9, Auburn # 10 and Oklahoma # 10)
2002   4   (Tennessee # 10, Auburn # 24, LSU # 18 and Georgia # 4 (SECCG))
2003   2   (Texas # 5 and LSU # 3)
2004   5   (Texas # 7, Flor. # 16, Aub. # 4, Georgia # 6 and LSU # 12)
2005   5   (USC # 1, Alabama # 15, Auburn # 21, Georgia # ? and LSU # ?)

I am sure that both sides (Pro HDN and Con HDN) can use this information to support their prospective arguments. My only comment is that no matter how this season turns out, these past two years we have been playing against superior talent with a very young team. They have been baptized under fire and should be better next year and afterwards.

Be Good


Are those final season rankings?

Nope, looks like those were the rankings at the time we played them. A better indication would be final season rankings. LSU was #3 in 2003 when they actually finished #2 in the human polls and #1 in the BCS. The 2003 Texas team finished in the top 10, but didn't finish in the top 5. The 2004 Texas team did finish #5 I believe while Auburn finished #3.

pork-e-pine

October 13, 2005, 12:06:42 pm #12
He just put up some facts.  Facts are facts.  I am for firing nutt if we don't win a bowl game but that has nothing  to do with this. 
He is not making excuses for anyone in my guesstimation.
Winning is fun,
Losing is not;
But Id rather lose and have a good attitude than win and be like texas.
also...be nice, your mom could be reading this.
 

Since 1894

October 13, 2005, 02:08:23 pm #13
Quote from: pork-e-pine on October 13, 2005, 12:06:42 pm
He just put up some facts. Facts are facts. I am for firing nutt if we don't win a bowl game but that has nothing to do with this.
He is not making excuses for anyone in my guesstimation.

Thats right Pork.  I just wanted to put these stats up.  Can they be used to support HDN, yes.  Can they be used to support firing HDN, yes. 

I guess my points are:

1.  Toto, we are not in Texas anymore.
2.  Losing 26 seniors and our talented juniors came at a time when our schedule is at one of its hardest points.  Playing so many young players now should bring dividends in the future.  Maybe I am just looking for light at the end of the tunnel. 

I didn't realize it at the time, but the 2003 season was a real disappointment.  Yes we won 9 games that year but what could have been?  We started off 4 and 0 (and got up to # 7 in the country) then dropped 3 straight to Auburn (flag), Florida (blow to the head) and Ole Miss (everyone was hurt).

So, Auburn started this pain two years ago - lets go kick their kitten a$$ this weekend!!!
The first thing I heard today was that he grew up on a pig farm. That's quite a start in my book. And my last memory was watching him hang 70 on Nebraska. Just those two facts are enough (for me to like him). Then, I hear that he's out of the Hayden Fry-Bill Snyder-Barry Alvarez coaching tree. Oh, that's enough for me to like a lot. Then, I hear he's got a 27-year-old wife. Okay, we can stop. I like him.

BARRY SWITZER- Former Arkansas Asst. Coach
Quote given to Clay Henry

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Niels Boar

October 13, 2005, 02:57:39 pm #14
The SWC Holtz had to play against was stronger many years than the SEC is this season, though that isn't true on average.  The SEC is crap this year.  The SEC also gets the benefit of the doubt in the polls.  I don't believe the SEC has a legit top 10 team this year despite what the polls say.

PorcineSublime

October 13, 2005, 04:37:27 pm #15
I don't think anyone has ever compared the SWC of the 80's to the SEC  of the 90-2000's. However, if you look back into the glory days of the SWC, there were many years when SWC teams beat SEC teams with regularity. Comparing the SWC of the 80's to the SEC of today is like comparing your 90 yo neighbor to Lindsay Lohan. She may be sweet, but who would you rather wake up next to? JMO
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