A Little Unrest in "Rebel Land" concerning Recruiting

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Coach HDN seems so enamoured with current Arkansas verbals that the Ole Miss Class is slipping away - Click Me

[Hawgon]

His sole purpose for going to Ole Miss instead of somewhere else was to try and show up Arkansas.  His recruiting over the next several years will consist of finding out who Arkansas is offering and then trying to get them to go to Ole Miss.  He will be a disaster down there and will be run off in disgrace.

[The Boar War]

That didn't take long.  Nutt already has his detractors and he hasn't even called a draw on 3rd and long.  I can't wait till they see his two minute offense.

[HoginHouston]

God that was fun to read. They are starting to figure things out, but it will take them a lot of time...

[SPAL]

WESTCOASTREB SEEMED TO KNOW HIS STUFF

[VRaptor]

His sole purpose for going to Ole Miss instead of somewhere else was to try and show up Arkansas.  His recruiting over the next several years will consist of finding out who Arkansas is offering and then trying to get them to go to Ole Miss.  He will be a disaster down there and will be run off in disgrace.

Nutt reminds me of Bill Clinton in that regard. No matter what he does,no matter what he says he always comes out smelling like a rose.

[intoxhog]

ROFLMAO

Does any of this sound sound like anything we have heard before?


Re: I am concerned about recruiting Reply

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Who Cares what THEY rank them. What matters is how the players perform. I have seen 5 star players get beat out by 2 star players. The damn rating system don't mean jack when it comes to what actually happens on the field.

[hogs25]

He should've gone to Baylor and not to another rival in the SEC.  I'll be very surprised if he's still there in two year's.  You can't sit there and tell me he's happy over there.  It's like going to Tunica for the weekend, you love going over there but you love crossing that bridge on the way back.

[Torqued pork]

We all know Nutt wasn't exactly a workaholic when it came to recruiting and he virtually ignored recruiting Mississippi while he was at Arkansas, so it's not surprising that he's counting on Arkansas kids to be loyal to him instead of the UofA.

[clew]

Don't those guys in Mississippi know that recruiting is overrated?

[Boarcephus]

From WestcoastReb.....

"I think Nutt will do his best work in the next two years, and then we'll see Ole Miss struggle greatly because of the talent drop-off."

That has a certain deja vu ring to it, doesn't it?  I think one of the bigger problems he'll face is he won't have the kids of any real talent in sufficient enough numbers who wake up every morning and say "I can't wait to be a Rebel" like he did here.  If he thinks he can go toe to toe with Petrino over Arkansas kids and win he's a fool.

[RazorNick]

He has to have time to build a fence. So many ground hogs in Mississippi make it hard to keep it closed.

[Porquemada]

I bet Nutt hasn't even taken the time to tell each and every one of the current players that they are "special". Perhaps he's exhausted from texting all of his "Holiday Greetings" to some local female news anchor in Memphis.

[Porquemada]

Sooper Reb is a sad case - he loves Nutt and Huckabee. That Dude would have been in a virtual paradise the last 10 years if he'd only moved across the river.

[Boarcephus]

You can't sit there and tell me he's happy over there.  It's like going to Tunica for the weekend, you love going over there but you love crossing that bridge on the way back.

You could tell that in his PC.  I honestly believe him when he said Arkansas was his dream job and now he's screwed that one up.  Nothing against Ole Miss, but he can't have the same feelings of pride coaching there that he did here. 

It'd have to be about like marrying your childhood sweetheart and after 10 years you're still in love with her but she dumps you and you jump into a rebound marriage with an old ugly women with 6 screaming kids.  Be hard to face life with a great deal of enthusiasm.

[natehog]

You could tell that in his PC.  I honestly believe him when he said Arkansas was his dream job and now he's screwed that one up.  Nothing against Ole Miss, but he can't have the same feelings of pride coaching there that he did here. 

It'd have to be about like marrying your childhood sweetheart and after 10 years you're still in love with her but she dumps you and you jump into a rebound marriage with an old ugly women with 6 screaming kids.  Be hard to face life with a great deal of enthusiasm.

Yeah, but you forgot he works from "daylight to exhaustion".  I hate to admit that I fell for that crap.  Gawd, I am glad he is gone from Arkansas!

[Buck Ocean]

In that book "Meat Market" it basically says that Ole Miss hadnt had talent since the 60s and Orgeron came in and put their name back on the map.  Maybe he couldnt win with them, but his recruiting philosophy and practice are relentless.  He has a will and drive to follow a kid all the way to signing period.  The text messaging was phenomenal at Ole Miss, in regards to recruits.  Even during 'dead periods' text messaging was allowed.  Ole Miss coaches would text recruits with instructions: CALL ME NOW!  During dead periods, you cant call a recruit, but a recruit can call you.  It was a window, and Orgeron found it.  In the meantime, HDNs got his thumb in a butterdish.  I dont see him changing, I really dont.  I think recruiting goes against his ego, which is "nobody is gonna be bigger than me."  Laying out the red carpet for a kid with a possibility that they might not come is just not right, I'm sure he thought.  Good ridence.

[Lanny]

Once a loser always a loser

[Boarcephus]

Yeah, but you forgot he works from "daylight to exhaustion".  I hate to admit that I fell for that crap.  Gawd, I am glad he is gone from Arkansas!

Ditto.  Regardless of how hard he worked at it here, he can't possibly recruit for Ole Miss with the same fervor he did here and sustain it.  He is just not happy over there and it shows.

[SigHog87]

That board makes me happy... They will realize how bad he sucks in a few months when they have 10 extra scholarships to give away.

[jim hog]

Arkansas needs to recruit, recruit, recruit.

[Seconds]

If he's so happy to be a Rebel, why is he spending so much time in Fayetteville?

[HogHillbilly]

Once a loser always a loser

Beat me to it...............What made Old Piss think that HDN could get it done there and not Arkansas

[tophawg19]

actually he probably is happy . who the hell else would pay him that kind of money. i am now on the nutt band wagon and hope he wins 6/7 games a year .  then they will keep him and we can count on a win every year

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Coach HDN seems so enamoured with current Arkansas verbals that the Ole Miss Class is slipping away - Click Me

I find this hilarious. Recently, I posted a couple of threads on recruiting, one the Mods sent to the Recruiting forum and the other still on MMQ, that addressed recruiting, top players and their geographic location. I was amazed when doing the research to find out just exactly how many high quality(Four and Five Star) players surrounded Arkansas in bordering states. Players we never went after. I can only imagine that had I looked at the rest of the Nutt years, I would have found the same thing.

They are going to find out in due time that HDN is a "lazy" recruiter at best.

[Dugann]

I think that has some merit.  I do think that he will be like the jaded ex wife, and yes it will be his down fall.  He should have went like Big East, ACC, even Big 12 and he been great at the right program.   By great I mean 6-9 wins a year and if he was in the ACC maybe even better.  Wait the National Media thinks the ACC is a power house.... nevermind.

His sole purpose for going to Ole Miss instead of somewhere else was to try and show up Arkansas.  His recruiting over the next several years will consist of finding out who Arkansas is offering and then trying to get them to go to Ole Miss.  He will be a disaster down there and will be run off in disgrace.

[havok]

IMO nutt is on a 2 year plan.  Beyond that he doesn't care.  He went to Ole Piss, Mostly becasue they were stupid enough to hire him, but he saw that Orgeron had really put together some decent players the last 3/4 years.

he is going to use that talent already there..(Sounds familiar to his arrival here) and use it to try and get a bigger job.   IMO he falls flat on his face... he didn't have the gigantor big-head ego the first year here...he will no doubtably put his foot in his mouth and act like a 14 year old soon and turn off their fans.

[cessna8667]

Ole Miss, you've been NuttJobbed...  Get used to it, it sucks.

[cessna8667]

And I forgot to add, welcome to the divided fanbase.  Your fans will now miraculously begin to bicker with each other.  One side about how good a Christian man he is and how hard working and how he loves that helmet.  The other side will dispute all of those things PLUS hate him for how bad he sucks at certain aspects of coaching...

Have fun!!

[Seebs]

Yeah, but you forgot he works from "daylight to exhaustion".  I hate to admit that I fell for that crap.  Gawd, I am glad he is gone from Arkansas!

Problem was,  he got exhausted from all that texting by 9 AM. He didn't lie, just didn't take his B12

[The real Hogules]

Next term you'll hear Ole Miss fans learning where Nutt is concerned is used car salesman.

Not to mention that HDN only wants players who want to be Ole Miss Rebels............

[PorcineSublime]

Beat me to it...............What made Old Piss think that HDN could get it done there and not Arkansas

I think that in a sense he can get it done there. Think about this, he wins the four rent-a-wins, he wins against Vandy, and beats MSU and in some years KY. That is 7 wins, they would kill for seven wins. To them that is the definition of gettting it done(as it was to some here). Still I doubt he realizes how good he has it. As someone stated he will stay a couple of years and try to get another school above his level of competence. He can't get out of his own way.

[Brand X Hog Fan]

The posters on that board sound a lot like I did 10 years ago. They'll learn.

I agree with the previous poster, Nutt should have gone far away from the SEC. Of course his judgment never has been very sound. I give him 3 years tops.

[31to6]

So when Nutt is an unmitigated failure at Ole Miss will we finally be able to hear the last of "he's a very good coach" or will his fluffers spin one 7-win season out of the next three (with Orgeron's recruits) into some sort of great revival?

[Mr. Hog]

His sole purpose for going to Ole Miss instead of somewhere else was to try and show up Arkansas.  His recruiting over the next several years will consist of finding out who Arkansas is offering and then trying to get them to go to Ole Miss.  He will be a disaster down there and will be run off in disgrace.

Nutt is a loser !

[Hogs4Ever]

I think that in a sense he can get it done there. Think about this, he wins the four rent-a-wins, he wins against Vandy, and beats MSU and in some years KY. That is 7 wins, they would kill for seven wins. To them that is the definition of gettting it done(as it was to some here). Still I doubt he realizes how good he has it. As someone stated he will stay a couple of years and try to get another school above his level of competence. He can't get out of his own way.

He just wants players that want to be Rebels.  This is a great point.  Nutt does not care about winning conference or national championships.  That requires a tremendous amount of work.  His plan is to do just enough to get by with 7 or 8 wins a year like he did for a decade at Arkansas.

[Dr Swineglove]

Once a loser always a loser

True dat.

[Boarcephus]

His plan is to do just enough to get by with 7 or 8 wins a year like he did for a decade at Arkansas.

Averaging those 7-8 wins at Ole Miss is a challenge.

[Bob from Dumas]

I find this hilarious. Recently, I posted a couple of threads on recruiting, one the Mods sent to the Recruiting forum and the other still on MMQ, that addressed recruiting, top players and their geographic location. I was amazed when doing the research to find out just exactly how many high quality(Four and Five Star) players surrounded Arkansas in bordering states. Players we never went after. I can only imagine that had I looked at the rest of the Nutt years, I would have found the same thing.

They are going to find out in due time that HDN is a "lazy" recruiter at best.

The "lazy" recruiter part of your post hits the nail on the head. 

Compare HDN's hiring at Ole Miss to BP here at Arkansas.  Nutt immediately tried to get 5 assistant coaches to come down there for a full week to "help" him with recruiting.  When BP was hired he was out the next day canvassing the state to personnally speak to each of our top recruits.  He did this with one other coach (Horton) until brother Paul joined the staff right before the quiet period.

Nutt wanted our assistants (at least until the bowl game) down there to do his work.  Nevermind that it created a huge conflict of interest.  All that matters to Nutt is what is best for Nutt.  Thank goodness Long and the Ole Miss chancellor stepped in and nipped that problem in the bud.

I thought when HDN left and we got a great coach that I wouldn't care about him or what happened to him.  Wrong.  I think I despise him more.  I want to beat Ole Miss every year.  I want their recruits and ours.  I want him walked out of there in shame like he should have been here.

[The real Hogules]

Averaging those 7-8 wins at Ole Miss is a challenge.

Not once Nutt gets his "usual" OOC games added to the Ole Miss schedule.

Hold it, this is Ole Miss we are talking about here, the winner of exactly zero conference games this past season and owner of a 3-8 record, so it would seem that the Rebels already have the weak OOC thing covered.

HDN and staff are screwed if they don't get up off their butt's and hit recruiting much harder than they ever did while employed at the UofA!

[Con el Cerdos]

I find this hilarious. Recently, I posted a couple of threads on recruiting, one the Mods sent to the Recruiting forum and the other still on MMQ, that addressed recruiting, top players and their geographic location. I was amazed when doing the research to find out just exactly how many high quality(Four and Five Star) players surrounded Arkansas in bordering states. Players we never went after. I can only imagine that had I looked at the rest of the Nutt years, I would have found the same thing.

They are going to find out in due time that HDN is a "lazy" recruiter at best.

In addition to being lazy, Nutt's ego is so huge and fragile that he cannot take a "no" answer from a recruit.  If he gets a hint that he cannot sign them, he stops recruiting them.  That's why his recruiting has suffered in-state the last few years and has always been so, out of state. 

Fact is, I can't remember but one or two recruits above a 3* level that he ever signed from out of state. 

Nutt going to Mississippi was more about the style of living he and Ms Diane are accustomed too and padding the retirement account, than about building a football team.

Nutt is a loser as a recruiter first and foremost, and a loser as a coach.  No debate.

[Con el Cerdos]

I thought when HDN left and we got a great coach that I wouldn't care about him or what happened to him.  Wrong.  I think I despise him more.  I want to beat Ole Miss every year.  I want their recruits and ours.  I want him walked out of there in shame like he should have been here.

I don't know exactly when, (probably between year two and year five) but I will guarantee than within his initial five year contract than HDN will be run out of Mississippi on a rail.  There will not be a suck-up buyout either.  I hope I live to see it.

[El Puerco Grande]

I just got a little giddy reading these posts and remembering that Nutt's somebody elses headache.

[HoginHouston]

Don't those guys in Mississippi know that recruiting is overrated?

They are learning, and soon they will learn that "Playcalling is overrated" and that "SEC wins are so precious." Oh, I can't wait for him to whip out those. It just messes you up!

[jmark]

Maybe Frank can help him recruit.  He approved the extra recriting help.  And Dick Shaffer thinks all is fair in love and war. 

Frank feels so bad for Hooten, he may not attend the UA/Ol'e Piss game, ...even though he's still on the UA payroll.

Ol'e Miss, you asked for it, you paid for it, ...you got it.

[longtimeHogfan]

His sole purpose for going to Ole Miss instead of somewhere else was to try and show up Arkansas.  His recruiting over the next several years will consist of finding out who Arkansas is offering and then trying to get them to go to Ole Miss.  He will be a disaster down there and will be run off in disgrace.

     I just hope I live the three years it will take to see this to come to pass. 

[longtimeHogfan]

They are learning, and soon they will learn that "Playcalling is overrated" and that "SEC wins are so precious." Oh, I can't wait for him to whip out those. It just messes you up!

     Will Hooten have a Sunday 'coach's show'? I stopped watching the one he had here 3 years ago, but I may start now if I can get it locally.   

[ComeonHogs!!!]

  I had to make sure i was on the old miss forums. Those supporters of nutts recruiting sounded so familer. I guess he did take the man women with him.

[SteveInArk]

One thing for sure...  a few of those "we were so close, Chuck" losses, followed by that totally embarrassing BS he will spew on the Ole Miss version of the HN Show -- and quality recruits will slip away quietly...  they might even call him a dork.   

[Bob from Dumas]

They are learning, and soon they will learn that "Playcalling is overrated" and that "SEC wins are so precious." Oh, I can't wait for him to whip out those. It just messes you up!

They will also learn:

If you have more than two receivers on any passing play it is a waste of blockers.

In a close game when you need them to stop the clock, time outs are best used on meaningless two point conversions or even when you just can't make up your mind whether to run it off tackle or really mix them up with a draw play on 3rd and 8.

Why run 40 seconds off the clock when you can run a 5 yard out (for an incompletion) on 3rd and 12?

There are many many ways to lose a game and destroy a good season with poor special teams play.

That's right Ole Miss, you just paid 1.8 million for these little lessons plus many more!!  Best of luck!!