can you name one single in-state player....

[hamsam]

that we lost as a recruit that turned out to be a GREAT player somewhere else? not just a decent or even good player but great.
don't say cedric houston or bret smith. they weren't even close to great.
I can't think of a single one! help.....

Why can't we mention Smith or Houston?  Didn't both of them get NFL attention?...(I think Houston is still getting paid to play).

Hold it in longer before exhaling, you may think of more s*** to say.

maybe because neither player even made 1st team all-conference! smith was/is a joke! houston was good but he ain't tearing up the NFL. they would have done no more for us than monk or cobbs or talley.
another reason not to mention them is cause this is my thread and I asked for GREAT player. NONE of which you, or anyone else for that matter, can name that Nutt has lost. the only legitimate  argument so far is D'angelo and Kevin Williams

Both would have been multi year starters for Arkansas.  I would rather have a team of good players with adequate depth than two or three "great" players and the rest below average.  Your mindset is much of what is wrong with Arkansas football.

My mindset is that people like you will fish for anything to try to make your point even when you know you don't have a leg to stand on! We have had teams FULL of good players! Just poor X's and O's from the NUtt. the Nutt regime has lost 2 players (in recruiting, not transfers) that may have been real difference makers D'angelo and Kevin Williams. That is it!
Your mindset is is that of a 7 year old!

[hamsam]

Brett Helms to LSU...he is probably one of the better ones in recent memory that got away.  He is thier starting center.

probably will be great but is not there yet. But in time i think you will be right!

[351hog]

hamsam,

Bret Smith, Rashawn Fellows, James Turner, Slick Shelley, DeAngelo Williams, Bartley Webb (who no one ever mentions) Greg Jones, Damian Williams, Mitch Mustain, Kodi Burns, Lee Ziemba, Broderick Green, Stephan Loucks, What more do you want?

I played with Danny Nutt at UCA, he is a good friend of mine, HOWEVER, He, and his brother need to be escorted off the property!

He and I will discuss my position later.

D'angelo. Williams = i'll give you that one
           bret smith = nope!... roshaun fellows=did he even play after his sophomore year? 
james turner,greg jones, stephen loucks?? who in the sam hill are they and where did they play?
slick shelley, bart webb, lee ziemba, kodi burns, broderick green...have yet to play a single down in college so that is just rediculous...
M. Mustain and Damien Williams played one season...hard qualifies them as great!
One place we do agree is that the Nutts should go!!! just not because of in state recruits like so many are saying!

Yeah, D'anglo is probably the only one on that list that I would agree with.  Not even sure what made you even think of typing Bartley Webb's name in this thread....

[grayhawg]

Mike Cherry transfered to Murry State, to a school that could show his passing skills in a passing offence. He went to the New York Giants as a backup. By the way HDN was Murry State head coach. I hope HDN reads this and remembers that time when he really beleived in passing the football.

[hogsanity]

There have been some good players go to other schools and have good careers.  This problem started LONG before HDN was named HC.   No state keeps all of their players, problems is, we produce so few LEGIT SEC players, that the defections are magnified.   

[BartIV]

What about a guy that went on to U of Pine Bluff and was good friends with Torii Hunter. I want to say his name was Shabbazz. Can anyone figure out who I am thinking of?  He was great at most sports he played.

[Choctaw Hog]

Houston Nutt, when he transferred to OSU. LOL!

[BartIV]

How about Jimmy Johnson as a coach???

[grayhawg]

shabbazz I'm not sure spelling is right. But I think it was grades or ACT score.

[TheHogFan]

hamsam,

Bret Smith, Rashawn Fellows, James Turner, Slick Shelley, DeAngelo Williams, Bartley Webb (who no one ever mentions) Greg Jones, Damian Williams, Mitch Mustain, Kodi Burns, Lee Ziemba, Broderick Green, Stephan Loucks, What more do you want?

I played with Danny Nutt at UCA, he is a good friend of mine, HOWEVER, He, and his brother need to be escorted off the property!

He and I will discuss my position later.

None of those players you mentioned have done anything in college. We simply do not know yet with any of those.

[TheHogFan]

There have been some good players go to other schools and have good careers.  This problem started LONG before HDN was named HC.   No state keeps all of their players, problems is, we produce so few LEGIT SEC players, that the defections are magnified.   

Well said. It is unrealistic to expect to get everyone. In recent years there ave not been many misses.

[TheHogFan]

that we lost as a recruit that turned out to be a GREAT player somewhere else? not just a decent or even good player but great.
don't say cedric houston or bret smith. they weren't even close to great.
I can't think of a single one! help.....

Why can't we mention Smith or Houston?  Didn't both of them get NFL attention?...(I think Houston is still getting paid to play).

Hold it in longer before exhaling, you may think of more s*** to say.

maybe because neither player even made 1st team all-conference! smith was/is a joke! houston was good but he ain't tearing up the NFL. they would have done no more for us than monk or cobbs or talley.
another reason not to mention them is cause this is my thread and I asked for GREAT player. NONE of which you, or anyone else for that matter, can name that Nutt has lost. the only legitimate  argument so far is D'angelo and Kevin Williams

I think Kevin Williams (the DT) was a Ford era recruit. Could be wrong.

[silvertip]

from what I see, there is only D. Williams so far that was a "loss" during the nutt era. he played at Memphis so I am not sure that he would qualify as great, but I'll give him to ya. (cause he was REALLY, really good IMO. NFL will tell the total tale)
I want Nutt gone just as bad as the next guy (well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough) but I would have to say he has done a good job evaluating in-state talent so far!

Once Nutt could no longer blame Matt Jones for HDN's pitiful passing game---in-state players became leary of playing for the Nuttjob.

Fact is, MM, DW, and B.Cleveland were leaving until Nutt hired Gus to save his butt. And the top lineman from S'dale left & stayed gone. That's 4 top players from the '06 class right there. They all have All-Conference potential, and a couple or 3 have NFL potential.

Now, from the '07 class, you have perhaps the top 3 players running away from Nutt. Green, Burns, Ziemba all have All-Conference potential.

That 7 in the last 2 years that TIME will tell what we've lost.

totally off subject response but typical! not a single player you mention has played more than 1 season in college (some are not even ENROLLED in college yet) but you already know they are NFL material!? which team do you scout for?

Not off subject at all. That's why I put in that relevant remark that TIME WILL TELL. You don't even want to get into a reading comprehension contest with me, ace. You'll lose that every time.

For example, do you know the difference between "NFL potential" & "NFL material"? Nowhere do I say these players are "NFL material."
Occasionally I slip up, but USUALLY I mange to say exactly what I mean.

In this post and another one, I have seen you dismiss the "only one season" that players like MM & DW have played. Fact is, they were first team on the All-SEC Freshman team. That means the SEC coaches consider them better than 90% of their own recruits. They have already proved enough; only injuries will cause such players to digress.

As far as the topic of losing in-state talent that goes on to be big-time---well, there's a reason for that first sentence in my post. Nutt was able to use Matt Jones for four years as his excuse. In the 2 seasons post-Jones, the passing game has not improved one bit. So NOW, the talent drain is just accelerating. If you want to see the effect---just let Nutt keep recruiting a couple more years. He's not fooling anyone anymore. 

[351hog]

What about a guy that went on to U of Pine Bluff and was good friends with Torii Hunter. I want to say his name was Shabbazz. Can anyone figure out who I am thinking of?  He was great at most sports he played.

Basil Shabbiaz (spelling)

[returntoglory]

let me throw this one recruit in there although i have no clue where he is from and i just want to spark some more hatred. how about tavaris jackson? sure he came, and sure he had plenty of time on the bench playing behind a nfl wr. just think we could have had an nfl qb throwing to an nfl wr all those years.

[jpenrod1]

I dont think Cobb was a bust he had two very solid years.

[tkhog]

hamsam,

Bret Smith, Rashawn Fellows, James Turner, Slick Shelley, DeAngelo Williams, Bartley Webb (who no one ever mentions) Greg Jones, Damian Williams, Mitch Mustain, Kodi Burns, Lee Ziemba, Broderick Green, Stephan Loucks, What more do you want?

I played with Danny Nutt at UCA, he is a good friend of mine, HOWEVER, He, and his brother need to be escorted off the property!

He and I will discuss my position later.

None of those players you mentioned have done anything in college. We simply do not know yet with any of those.

Except for the part where Deangleo Williams is the all time leading rusher...

[jpenrod1]

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

[tkhog]

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

We had good backs, they were just always hurt.

[stchane]

let me throw this one recruit in there although i have no clue where he is from and i just want to spark some more hatred. how about tavaris jackson? sure he came, and sure he had plenty of time on the bench playing behind a nfl wr. just think we could have had an nfl qb throwing to an nfl wr all those years.

T-Jack was awful while he was here.  He still had the cannon, but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.  Who knows how much HDN was to blame, since he has never devloped a quarterback.  However, had T-Jack not been hurt, we might never have gotten to see what Matt Jones brought to the table either.  I wish T-Jack coulda developed faster, and we coulda split Jones out at receiver.  With Cobbs, Talley, and that crew, there is no telling where that team coulda gone....oh wait?  Pass? HDN? sorry, got delusional there...

Do they really need to be GREAT to be considered a loss...after all we're only as good as 8th or 9th in the conference.  If they play in a major conference, they certainly would have been superstars here.

This is a very important point.  Yeah Bret Smith, & Slick Shelly aren't "great," but think about it.  They are viable targets who could give Monk some help on the double, triple, and quadruple teams.  I agree that every player that leaves is magnified, but that isn't an excuse for losing them either.  Its actually more of an indictment.  Kenny Hatfield lost in-state kids and lost his job.  Where is the consistency JFB?  We've lost the best in-state kids not only from 2007, but 2006 too.  We aren't going to get anyone big to come here as long as HDN is still the coach.  We hafta move on.   

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

What are you smokin??  Yes, we can complain.  Why?  DeAngelo Williams is one of three players in college footbal HISTORY to rush for 6,000 yards in his collegiate career.  He is the only one to do that and never win the Heisman (Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams).  As a matter of fact, he wasn't even invited to the ceremony.  Now think of all the great Collegiate running backs that this stat covers; OJ Simpson, Herschel Walker, Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, Lawrence Phillips (good in college...lol), Charles White, ARCHIE GRIFFIN (only 2-time Heisman winner), and there are many, many more.  I would say that HDN would screwed it up with DA, but you can't take anything away from the guy for playing at Memphis.  The coaches at Memphis told him he would reset their whole record book, and thats exactly what happened. 

[gert09]

umm archie griffin is the only two time heisman winner

[Richard_white]

umm archie griffin is the only two time heisman winner

That is correct

[hamsam]

from what I see, there is only D. Williams so far that was a "loss" during the nutt era. he played at Memphis so I am not sure that he would qualify as great, but I'll give him to ya. (cause he was REALLY, really good IMO. NFL will tell the total tale)
I want Nutt gone just as bad as the next guy (well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough) but I would have to say he has done a good job evaluating instate talent so far!

Once Nutt could no longer blame Matt Jones for HDN's pitiful passing game---in-state players became leary of playing for the Nuttjob.

Fact is, MM, DW, and B.Cleveland were leaving until Nutt hired Gus to save his butt. And the top lineman from S'dale left & stayed gone. That's 4 top players from the '06 class right there. They all have All-Conference potential, and a couple or 3 have NFL potential.

Now, from the '07 class, you have perhaps the top 3 players running away from Nutt. Green, Burns, Ziemba all have All-Conference potential.

That 7 in the last 2 years that TIME will tell what we've lost.

totally off subject response but typical! not a single player you mention has played more than 1 season in college (some are not even ENROLLED in college yet) but you already know they are NFL material!? which team do you scout for?

Not off subject at all. That's why I put in that relevant remark that TIME WILL TELL. You don't even want to get into a reading comprehension contest with me, ace. You'll lose that every time.

For example, do you know the difference between "NFL potential" & "NFL material"? Nowhere do I say these players are "NFL material."
Occasionally I slip up, but USUALLY I mange to say exactly what I mean.

In this post and another one, I have seen you dismiss the "only one season" that players like MM & DW have played. Fact is, they were first team on the All-SEC Freshman team. That means the SEC coaches consider them better than 90% of their own recruits. They have already proved enough; only injuries will cause such players to digress.

As far as the topic of losing in-state talent that goes on to be big-time---well, there's a reason for that first sentence in my post. Nutt was able to use Matt Jones for four years as his excuse. In the 2 seasons post-Jones, the passing game has not improved one bit. So NOW, the talent drain is just accelerating. If you want to see the effect---just let Nutt keep recruiting a couple more years. He's not fooling anyone anymore. 

I am glad that you have such great reading comprehension skills. how about this..."he is potentially NFL material".....comprehend that.
So SEC all-freshman team proves enough huh? Let me try to rebut that if I can comprehend that statement.
Jeremy Davis SEC all-freshman 2004 as a punter. replaced by skinner the next year.
Casey Dick SEC All-freshman 2005 as QB. I trust you know the story there.
I can find more examples if necessary to prove my point, but I think you can comprehend what I am getting at.
Since I started this thread, I believe that I am qualified to decide what I was looking for in an answer and freshman transfers are NOT what I asked about. However, I appreciate your effort.
By the way, what was that you said about "mange"(or was that one of your slips?). Hey, if you ever see Forrest Gump down there in Greenbow, tell him I said hello!!:)

[hamsam]

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

good point!

[JoyDivision]

Priest Holmes

[arkfanchip]

Shawn Andrews came and is certainly not a bust.

but we missed his brother who is in the NFL too

[arkfanchip]

Priest Holmes

where was he from?

[Richard_white]

Priest Holmes

where was he from?

Fort Smith.  Played for the Longhorns.

[hamsam]

Priest Holmes

where was he from?

Fort Smith.  Played for the Longhorns.

wow. I did not know that he was from AR. Is he a Nutt era recruit? Nevertheless, he is the type player I was looking for. Thanx

[Richard_white]

Priest Holmes

where was he from?

Fort Smith.  Played for the Longhorns.

wow. I did not know that he was from AR. Is he a Nutt era recruit? Nevertheless, he is the type player I was looking for. Thanx

No.  He was born in Fort Smith.  But I think he lived in Texas most of his early years.  His college days was spent during Ford era. (Whille he was being recruited)  I believe he played with Ricky Williams. 

[Hog in LR]

Robert Woodus was from Pine Bluff and he went to Miami and played football there for four seasons.  He was highly recruited.  Tragically, he died in the ValueJet airplane crash in the mid-90s.

Cortez Kennedy of Wilson and Adrian Wilson of Jacksonville are two other Arkansas players who went to play for Miami.

[arsuperhog]

Charles Stackhouse--West Memphis product who played for Ole Miss and went on to play for the Giants in the NFL for a bit.

Cedric Houston--I know you said not to mention him, but he was all-sec caliber at Tennessee and has stuck with an NFL squad.

Bret Smith--I know you said not to mention him, but he was all-SEC caliber as well. 

Herb Grigsby--Mayflower boy who went Iowa. Had a productive season last year. 

Greg Jones--Jonesboro boy who went to Tennessee, and turned into an all-SEC d-lineman before giving up football after the death of a family member.

Karl Alice (sp)--offensive lineman from LR Catholic who played for Colorado.

Bartley Webb--springdale--now playing for Notre Dame

Ryan Mallett--Texarkana, formerly of Lincoln--singed with Michigan. I don't care if he's thinking of transferring, we didn't get him in the recruitting process.

Courtney Andrews--Camden--Brother to Shawn, and was drafted into the NFL

Brandin Davis--Camden--played for the basketball hogs.  Was highly recruited by Butch Davis while at University of Miami, then signed with Davis's Cleveland Browns as a free agen when Basketball career ended, and played two or three years in NFL Europe.

Kevin Payne--Junction City--Played for Louisiana-Monroe and earned four letter. 

Brett Helms--Stuttgart--starting center for LSU 

Matt Stoltz--Pulaski Academy--is now a Razorback, but originally signed with LSU, and only transferred to UA because his dad developed cancer.

These are all I can think of during the Nutt era off the top of my head.  Most of these were either very hight recruited (four or five star) or had the possibility to play professionally.  I'll take any additions to the list. 

I also think a better list to make would be high touted, in-stat players, who had a solid freshman season then regressed because of the Nuttster.  I can think of almost double who would fit into that category.   

[stchane]

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

good point!

Hey HAMSAM, Whatta bout this?

DeAngelo Williams is one of three players in college footbal HISTORY to rush for 6,000 yards in his collegiate career.  He is the only one to do that and never win the Heisman (Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams).  As a matter of fact, he wasn't even invited to the ceremony.  Now think of all the great Collegiate running backs that this stat covers; OJ Simpson, Herschel Walker, Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, Lawrence Phillips (good in college...lol), Charles White, ARCHIE GRIFFIN (only 2-time Heisman winner), and there are many, many more.  I would say that HDN would have screwed it up with DA, but you can't take anything away from the guy for playing at Memphis.  The coaches at Memphis told him he would reset their whole record book, and thats exactly what happened. 

[hamsam]

Deangleo was great at MEMPHIS. i know he was a good talent but i dont think we can complain about are RBs.

good point!

Hey HAMSAM, Whatta bout this?

DeAngelo Williams is one of three players in college footbal HISTORY to rush for 6,000 yards in his collegiate career.  He is the only one to do that and never win the Heisman (Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams).  As a matter of fact, he wasn't even invited to the ceremony.  Now think of all the great Collegiate running backs that this stat covers; OJ Simpson, Herschel Walker, Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, Lawrence Phillips (good in college...lol), Charles White, ARCHIE GRIFFIN (only 2-time Heisman winner), and there are many, many more.  I would say that HDN would have screwed it up with DA, but you can't take anything away from the guy for playing at Memphis.  The coaches at Memphis told him he would reset their whole record book, and thats exactly what happened. 

OK dude! Read all of my posts in this thread and you will see that I have conceded D.Williams a couple times. but the fact that he played at Memphis and their level of competition is an extremely valid and relevant point. Ron Dayne played in the big10 ricky williams in the big12. that is a huge difference over conference usa or whatever the heck Memphis plays in.

[stchane]

OK dude! Read all of my posts in this thread and you will see that I have conceded D.Williams a couple times. but the fact that he played at Memphis and their level of competition is an extremely valid and relevant point. Ron Dayne played in the big10 ricky williams in the big12. that is a huge difference than conference usa or whatever the heck Memphis plays in.

That would be fine with me too, but 6,000 career rushing yards??  Thats 3 people EVER.  No SEC, Big East, or any other conference except for Big Ten, Big 12, and CUSA have produced a 6,000 yard career rusher.  So if nobody else has done it except for 2 other conferences, it means something.  Thats the kinda production we lost by not getting that guy.  One of the reasons we didn't get him was because we got DeArrius Howard the same year.  Howard didn't fumble one time ever...but I think I'd take 6,000 of production over that.  Thats 6,000 yards rushing too; He also led the team in receiving a couple of those years. 

You also haven't addressed the depth issue either, which kinda makes your whole argument void.   Great players are great because they are heads and shoulders above everyone else.  Therefore, most teams only have anywhere from 2-6 great players.  The Bret Smith's, Slick Shelly's, Rashaun Fellows, Bret Helms, and Herb Grigsby's of the world are good players; otherwise they wouldn't be playing college football.  Those are important peices of the puzzle that we missed out on.  The fact that we missed on those guys hurts exponentially because our state doesn't produce a ton of D-1 talent like other states do.  That means we need to keep them at home, because that makes our recruiting outta state that much harder. 

Those peices would have really helped over the last few years.  Had we gotten some of those players, we might notta had a 2-year losing streak.  HDN wouldn't have needed a "two year pass."  He wouldn't have to make excuses if he would do his job, and put the effort required into recruiting.

[hamsam]

 Quoting stchane....."Great players are great because they are heads and shoulders above everyone else.  Therefore, most teams only have anywhere from 2-6 great players.  The Bret Smith's, Slick Shelly's, Rashaun Fellows, Bret Helms, and Herb Grigsby's of the world are good players; otherwise they wouldn't be playing college football.  Those are important peices of the puzzle that we missed out on. "




You are making my point for me. I KNOW the "good" players that we missed out on. NONE, save D. Williams, were GREAT players. I said GREAT players. Why is that so hard to get? We have had teams full of good players. Do you think B. Helms is better than our All-everything center Jon Luigs who is  a junior to be? Nope. Roshaun Fellows did not hardly sniff the field the last year or two. Has SLick even played a down yet? Herb Grigsby......not great but I would love to have had him.
Any way, I see your point and do believe it is a good one, but it is not what I was asking for. 

[stchane]

You are making my point for me. I KNOW the "good" players that we missed out on. NONE, save D. Williams, were GREAT players. I said GREAT players. Why is that so hard to get? We have had teams full of good players. Do you think B. Helms is better than our All-everything center Jon Luigs who is  a junior to be? Nope. Roshaun Fellows did not hardly sniff the field the last year or two. Has SLick even played a down yet? Herb Grigsby......not great but I would love to have had him.
Any way, I see your point and do believe it is a good one, but it is not what I was asking for. 

Apparently you don't get it.  Its not just that we missed on the good players.  Its that those players in addition to what we have could be something....forgive me, but "special."  Any of those receivers opposite Monk would greatly open up our offense (should we choose to pass the ball...which is not likely).  Someone to take the pressure of Monk would greatly help.  Agreed about the linemen.  If there is one thing that we have done well, its RB and linemen.  However, I don't care if Fellows didn't play last year.  We need everything we can get in the secondary.  The point is we cannot miss on these guys.  Its absolutely critical for us to get these kids in Razorback uniforms. 

[SuthrnFballer15]

This is easy.....Deangelo Williams........& soon to be Damian Williams and MM. :razorback:

[imhogwild2]

torii hunter!!!!!

[DeltaBoy]

from what I see, there is only D. Williams so far that was a "loss" during the nutt era. he played at Memphis so I am not sure that he would qualify as great, but I'll give him to ya. (cause he was REALLY, really good IMO. NFL will tell the total tale)
I want Nutt gone just as bad as the next guy (well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough) but I would have to say he has done a good job evaluating in-state talent so far!

Yea, Ced Houston and Kevin Williams suck.  Neither will play a game in the NFL, much less start, or gasp, be a top 10 pick, pro bowler, or be considered one of the top DT's in the game.

Cedric Houston is getting his time and money in the NFL while folks like you are flipping burgers down at the burger bar.   Go check out Cedrics HS stats and before Nutt hurt him in practice he was on his way to a even greater career.

[brooks74]

from what I see, there is only D. Williams so far that was a "loss" during the nutt era. he played at Memphis so I am not sure that he would qualify as great, but I'll give him to ya. (cause he was REALLY, really good IMO. NFL will tell the total tale)
I want Nutt gone just as bad as the next guy (well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough) but I would have to say he has done a good job evaluating in-state talent so far!

Yea, Ced Houston and Kevin Williams suck.  Neither will play a game in the NFL, much less start, or gasp, be a top 10 pick, pro bowler, or be considered one of the top DT's in the game.

Cedric Houston is getting his time and money in the NFL while folks like you are flipping burgers down at the burger bar.   Go check out Cedrics HS stats and before Nutt hurt him in practice he was on his way to a even greater career.

Cedric never played for Nutt.  He went to Tennessee while we got De'arrius Howard. 

[351hog]

from what I see, there is only D. Williams so far that was a "loss" during the nutt era. he played at Memphis so I am not sure that he would qualify as great, but I'll give him to ya. (cause he was REALLY, really good IMO. NFL will tell the total tale)
I want Nutt gone just as bad as the next guy (well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough) but I would have to say he has done a good job evaluating in-state talent so far!

Yea, Ced Houston and Kevin Williams suck.  Neither will play a game in the NFL, much less start, or gasp, be a top 10 pick, pro bowler, or be considered one of the top DT's in the game.

Cedric Houston is getting his time and money in the NFL while folks like you are flipping burgers down at the burger bar.   Go check out Cedrics HS stats and before Nutt hurt him in practice he was on his way to a even greater career.

Was D. Howard the higher ranked RB that year?  We landed the better of the 2 players, but he never panned out.  Go look at Howard's HighSchool stats....who cares?  Since when does highschool stats make a player good in the NFL?

[Bvilleboar]

The question is not if they were superstars.  The question is were they better than who we had starting.  Many of the people you have dismissed would have started here had we been able to sign them.

[TR1]

Out of state coaches loves our high school talent alot. Wish they could all stay here and be a Hog, but I understand why they go out of state to play.

[SkunkyMunky]

Priest Holmes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Holmes

Not sure when he moved from Fort Smith though.

[RazorsEdge]

Shawn Andrews brother Stacy was missed out on by John McDonnell instead of Houston, he was a track and field guy.

[Shakey]

Do you think B. Helms is better than our All-everything center Jon Luigs who is  a junior to be?

I'd like to have them both starting on the O-Line for the next two years.  There is plenty of room.

Now, I'm not a Nutt apologist by any means.  I disagree with almost everything hamsam has said in this thread, but to be fair, Helms was born and bred to be an LSU Tiger by his parents.  He just lived far enough north for us to think he should be a Hog.

[MountieDawg]

Ray Brown... 20 years offensive lineman in NFL from MARION

[MountieDawg]

http://www.hootens.com/content/view/171/3/

3 of them in the super bowl

[MountieDawg]

ROD SMITH WR DENVER from Texarkana