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Tick Hog

February 14, 2009, 08:33:12 pm
Is it just me are does anybody else see this style of basketball leaving the game. I'm not able to watch as much basketball as i would like but i watch my fair share of it and i just don't see teams having the trouble getting the ball up the court the way they have in the past. I've watched Missouri a couple a times this year and while they do put a lot of pressure on the ball but it still doesn't create the turnovers the press used to. Is there a team out there that can get after it full court press and traps like i used to watch the hogs do as i was growing up. Just miss those days don't wont that style of play to become extinct.

Porkatarian

February 14, 2009, 08:36:13 pm #1
Missouri is 21 - 4 and ranked #17 in the country, so I'd say that "40 minutes of hell" still works.  I watched Missouri beat Kansas the other night and it reminded me of better days.


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Tick Hog

February 14, 2009, 08:43:24 pm #2
Yea i watch that game too they did put alot a pressure on the ball but not as much as i remember Noland's teams doing. I just miss the balls to the wall type play. The kind when the other team makes a basket whoever takes the ball out throws it one handed to about half court and the offence's poss takes all of 10 seconds and then it all starts over again. Not saying that it was the best way to play are that this team we have now should attempt to play that way. I guess just thinking of the past.

iCalledThatHogBrotha!

February 14, 2009, 08:43:33 pm #3
When I saw the thread topic I thought you were going to say 40 minutes of hell is back, it's just that we're on the wrong end of it.

ErieHog

February 14, 2009, 08:43:57 pm #4
Quote from: tick hog on February 14, 2009, 08:33:12 pm
Is it just me are does anybody else see this style of basketball leaving the game. I'm not able to watch as much basketball as i would like but i watch my fair share of it and i just don't see teams having the trouble getting the ball up the court the way they have in the past. I've watched Missouri a couple a times this year and while they do put a lot of pressure on the ball but it still doesn't create the turnovers the press used to. Is there a team out there that can get after it full court press and traps like i used to watch the hogs do as i was growing up. Just miss those days don't wont that style of play to become extinct.

It is changing.   Rules that restrict what the defender can and cannot do with their hands have curtailed a great amount of the harassment of ballhandlers that featured prominently in that style of play.

It can still be done to an extent, but how it's done will never be the same as it was in the mid 90s.
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SLC

February 14, 2009, 08:48:41 pm #5
Another couple of factors (at least I think so). 

Teams are not as deep.  13 schollies vs. 15.  This makes it harder to have 10 or 11 players that can rotate in and out of a game to creaated that type of up-tempo game for 40 minutes. 

I think the game is a bit watered down.  Maybe not letting kids in the league until after one year out of high school helps but I do not believe basketball teams are as good as they were even 15 years ago.  Is this due to the best players going pro early or there being more good teams (talent spreading out to more programs)?  Is there some other reason?  I don't know.
Maybe I have this impression b/c I watch mostly SEC basketball, and man the SEC is terrible. 
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ErieHog

February 14, 2009, 08:50:56 pm #6
Quote from: SLC on February 14, 2009, 08:48:41 pm
Another couple of factors (at least I think so). 

Teams are not as deep.  13 schollies vs. 15.  This makes it harder to have 10 or 11 players that can rotate in and out of a game to creaated that type of up-tempo game for 40 minutes. 

I think the game is a bit watered down.  Maybe not letting kids in the league until after one year out of high school helps but I do not believe basketball teams are as good as they were even 15 years ago.  Is this due to the best players going pro early or there being more good teams (talent spreading out to more programs)?  Is there some other reason?  I don't know.
Maybe I have this impression b/c I watch mostly SEC basketball, and man the SEC is terrible. 

There's a lot of truth to the scholarship factor, and what I would consider the 'explosion' of mid-major basketball.  It's a lot easier to be a small-conference superstar now, and get a legitimate NBA profile, than it was 15 years ago;  this leads to quality players going to smaller schools, making a name for themselves in a tournament run, and still having the NBA career they aspire to,  rather than being the 2nd or 3rd option at a big conference program.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Tick Hog

February 14, 2009, 08:51:16 pm #7
Quote from: abostian on February 14, 2009, 08:43:33 pm
When I saw the thread topic I thought you were going to say 40 minutes of hell is back, it's just that we're on the wrong end of it.
I feel you brother this year is hard to watch. I just keep telling myself they are young and are getting a lot a minutes to get better. It kills me to lose because of my competitive nature but i know that it kills are boys as well. As long as i see good effort i have learn to live with what this year has in store. Keep fighting and striving to get better and better days are sure to come

jonesark™

February 14, 2009, 09:25:46 pm #8
Wonder if they practice like they use to for 40 minutes of hell:

The first 40 minutes of a Razorbacks practice consist of drills that simulate game speed in the span of 94 feet and are not for the faint of heart.

"You do everything," Richardson said. "We do figure eights with the medicine ball, figure eights with the water ball, jump rope, run five laps around the gym, then turn around and run five in the opposite direction, then do windsprints. I determine how many I want to give you."

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2000/01/11/Sports/Richardson.40.Minutes.Of.Hell-2596430.shtml

PoormansRobbyHampton

February 15, 2009, 01:05:36 am #9
When I saw the title, I thought you were talking about any SEC game from this year, except the Alabama game.

hawgsav1

February 15, 2009, 04:45:04 am #10
Quote from: jonesark on February 14, 2009, 09:25:46 pm
Wonder if they practice like they use to for 40 minutes of hell:

The first 40 minutes of a Razorbacks practice consist of drills that simulate game speed in the span of 94 feet and are not for the faint of heart.

"You do everything," Richardson said. "We do figure eights with the medicine ball, figure eights with the water ball, jump rope, run five laps around the gym, then turn around and run five in the opposite direction, then do windsprints. I determine how many I want to give you."

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2000/01/11/Sports/Richardson.40.Minutes.Of.Hell-2596430.shtml


Mike ANderson has said that his practices are just as difficult if not worse than what Nolan used to give.  It's been very effective for him.  When Anderson was at UAB, players said that they would often throw up after their morning workouts, which was relatively brief (only 1 hr of working out), but ridiculously intensive.  The players said that they would often just sit in the locker room with a gallon of water because they were too exhausted to do anything else. 

I don't think that 40 Minutes of Hell is an outdated system, but I do believe that there must be adjustments made by teams that run 40 Minutes of Hell to adapt to today's game.  The reduction of bball scholarships is a big factor when it comes to depth, and the fact that hand checking is called much more regularly makes it worse. 

40 Minutes of Hell teams have to be able to fall back on some basic half court defense and offense as well, since games will occasionally not be played at a 40 Minutes of Hell pace as well. 
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