7 year plan for Pel

[HeathWimp]

After the fiasco when Heath was fired, I think that we probably need to give Pel a pretty long leash before letting him go.  I, for one, am not sure that he can get it done, but firing him after 3 years will probably result in another face-plant for the program.

The way I see it is this:

2007-08 Season - All Heath players, doesn't count.  Many people seem to   
                         support this concept.
2008-11 Seasons - Pel gets four full years to recruit his players.
2011-13 Seasons - See how a fully engrained Pel does.

Ideally, we could cut our losses and send him packing if we bomb next season (and I think that it will be ugly again).  But I think that the Heath Fiasco is still too recent, and that any decent coaches will shoot us down.  We would be stuck with another up-and-comer, which is always a roll of the dice.

I know that some will see this as a defeatist attitude, but I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program, and we will have to start all over again. 

[NEAHawgfan]

Wow!!! I'd say that's a bit long actually.

[HeathWimp]

Wow!!! I'd say that's a bit long actually.

I know, it is not a great plan.  But I think that the alternative is even worse.  We can't get shot down by 7 coaches again - that will completely kill the program, and it is already on life support.

[forrest city joe]

After the fiasco when Heath was fired, I think that we probably need to give Pel a pretty long leash before letting him go.  I, for one, am not sure that he can get it done, but firing him after 3 years will probably result in another face-plant for the program.

The way I see it is this:

2007-08 Season - All Heath players, doesn't count.  Many people seem to  
                         support this concept.
2008-11 Seasons - Pel gets four full years to recruit his players.
2011-13 Seasons - See how a fully engrained Pel does.

Ideally, we could cut our losses and send him packing if we bomb next season (and I think that it will be ugly again).  But I think that the Heath Fiasco is still too recent, and that any decent coaches will shoot us down.  We would be stuck with another up-and-comer, which is always a roll of the dice.

I know that some will see this as a defeatist attitude, but I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program, and we will have to start all over again. 

O Boy. is this for real? 7 years! man O man.

[Porkatarian]

O Boy. is this for real? 7 years! man O man.

If Pel is here 7 years from now, it means that he really got things turned around in year 3.


Porkatarian out...

[12247]

If I were the A.D. I would want to see marked improvement next year and the next.  I think we have the basis to do that.  Pels 5th year should be top 15 at least.  These freshmen will be seniors with tons of experience and I would hope better recruits would be interested in Arkansas.  I think we see 20 plus wins next year with it getting better after that.  7 years is too much, 3 or even 4 years is too little.  Five years and let the record speak for itself.

[opineonswine]

Pel isn't going anywhere.  Goofy talk.

[Heightshog]

After the fiasco when Heath was fired, I think that we probably need to give Pel a pretty long leash before letting him go.  I, for one, am not sure that he can get it done, but firing him after 3 years will probably result in another face-plant for the program.

The way I see it is this:

2007-08 Season - All Heath players, doesn't count.  Many people seem to  
                         support this concept.
2008-11 Seasons - Pel gets four full years to recruit his players.
2011-13 Seasons - See how a fully engrained Pel does.

Ideally, we could cut our losses and send him packing if we bomb next season (and I think that it will be ugly again).  But I think that the Heath Fiasco is still too recent, and that any decent coaches will shoot us down.  We would be stuck with another up-and-comer, which is always a roll of the dice.

I know that some will see this as a defeatist attitude, but I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program, and we will have to start all over again. 

We've only been playing sub-par basketball for the last 14 seasons, what's another 7.

[jonesark™]

After the fiasco when Heath was fired, I think that we probably need to give Pel a pretty long leash before letting him go.  I, for one, am not sure that he can get it done, but firing him after 3 years will probably result in another face-plant for the program.

The way I see it is this:

2007-08 Season - All Heath players, doesn't count.  Many people seem to  
                         support this concept.
2008-11 Seasons - Pel gets four full years to recruit his players.
2011-13 Seasons - See how a fully engrained Pel does.

Ideally, we could cut our losses and send him packing if we bomb next season (and I think that it will be ugly again).  But I think that the Heath Fiasco is still too recent, and that any decent coaches will shoot us down.  We would be stuck with another up-and-comer, which is always a roll of the dice.

I know that some will see this as a defeatist attitude, but I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program, and we will have to start all over again. 

I agree, but hope the program is turned around in 3 o 4 of those 7 years.

[Beaverfever]

Fiasco?  He never won anything and got fired.  Not much of a fiasco. 

[HeathWimp]

Fiasco?  He never won anything and got fired.  Not much of a fiasco. 

I was referring to the fiasco that ensued when we tried to replace him, and got shot down 7 times.  I have my doubts about Pel getting this program back on track, but if we fire him now, or even after next year, we are going to be the laughingstock of the country - again.

[hawgrunner]

After the fiasco when Heath was fired, I think that we probably need to give Pel a pretty long leash before letting him go.  I, for one, am not sure that he can get it done, but firing him after 3 years will probably result in another face-plant for the program.

The way I see it is this:

2007-08 Season - All Heath players, doesn't count.  Many people seem to   
                         support this concept.
2008-11 Seasons - Pel gets four full years to recruit his players.
2011-13 Seasons - See how a fully engrained Pel does.

Ideally, we could cut our losses and send him packing if we bomb next season (and I think that it will be ugly again).  But I think that the Heath Fiasco is still too recent, and that any decent coaches will shoot us down.  We would be stuck with another up-and-comer, which is always a roll of the dice.

I know that some will see this as a defeatist attitude, but I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program, and we will have to start all over again. 

Four full years to recruit his players?

[thirtythree]

So he won with Heaths players and got a NCAA invite with them says nothing of his coaching talents? But this team he has now is what he should be judged on. Sounds good to me, he'll get two more years. By 2011 he should have a smoking squad. If not, he'll get a pink slip.

I think this is more "realistic" of a plan than anything.

[HogBreath]

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I just think that jettisoning Pel too soon will reflect poorly on the program

We're 1-9, half of our 7 players have been suspended at one time or another, and our recruits all have elgibiltiy questions, well, other than the one who just recently started playing basketball and we're setting all time records for most lopsided losses and highest scoring games allowed by an opponent.

So please..........nothing else that will reflect poorly on the program.

[JBucc]

Maybe things will change if players leave or something big happens, but I think Pel deserves to take this group of freshman to their senior seasons. If he can't get something done by then, he can go.

[HeathWimp]

This program can not endure another face-plant like when we let Heath go.  If we stick with Pel for an extended length of time, one of two things will have happened:

1.  Pel has done a good job, and we are a competitive program again.
2.  Pel hasn't done a good job, but the memories of the Heath firing have faded from the national conciousness.  Hopefully this would mean that the national media will not be all over us again, and decent coaches might consider coming here.

[donbro]

I am trying to figure out out why most people on this board think that Stan Heath did a poor job. If you look at his record , for the most part, he improved every year and big time recruits was visiting and had some interest in the program ie Greg Oden. As poor of a coach some might say Stan Heath was, at least the teams were competitive and didn't completely fall apart in the second half of games

[jkstock04]

I am trying to figure out out why most people on this board think that Stan Heath did a poor job. If you look at his record , for the most part, he improved every year and big time recruits was visiting and had some interest in the program ie Greg Oden. As poor of a coach some might say Stan Heath was, at least the teams were competitive and didn't completely fall apart in the second half of games

I was actually one of the very few on here against the firing of Heath.  I guess people were getting tired of those 20 plus win seasons he was beginning to have.  How many years now til we see another 20 win year?  LOL.  Make no mistake I'm not in the fire Pel boat yet, but I do think it's quite humorous that we now have people suggesting 7 year plans just to "see how a fully engrained Pel does." 

[HawgWild]

Maybe things will change if players leave or something big happens, but I think Pel deserves to take this group of freshman to their senior seasons. If he can't get something done by then, he can go.

Yeah, like Stan Heath got to.  Wait a minute............................ 

[HeathWimp]

I was actually one of the very few on here against the firing of Heath.  I guess people were getting tired of those 20 plus win seasons he was beginning to have.  How many years now til we see another 20 win year?  LOL.  Make no mistake I'm not in the fire Pel boat yet, but I do think it's quite humorous that we now have people suggesting 7 year plans just to "see how a fully engrained Pel does." 

Heath was a wimp.  He should have been gone after his 3rd year.  I still think getting rid of him was the right thing to do, but who could have anticipated the circus that would follow?  I never would have believed that we would have had so much trouble finding another coach.