Guy's what do you think?

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Arkansas & UNLV:  http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/2015/04/09/report-washington-huskies-nigel-williams-goss-to-transfer/

[Wildhog]

He's from Nevada.  We'll see how it shakes out.

[ricepig]

@jeffborzello: Memphis transfer Nick King tells ESPN he plans to visit Ole Miss and Arkansas.

Interest from Xavier, Murray St, WKU, Florida, SLU, DePaul.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Sounds like some major turnover mentioned by some may be true.

[Hawg Red]

NWG would be a HUGE pick-up. King would be big as well. Nigel William-Goss is the kind of player that wins you a championship.

[jry04]

Sounds like some major turnover mentioned by some may be true.

Maybe, but I do not think we will lose anyone else other than Portis and Qualls (if we lose them.) I would think anyone else transferring already knows they are transferring. Also, I would think they wouldn't be touring the facility and working out with the team if they are transferring, but nobody was missing from those pictures.

[hawginbigd1]

i will take Goss for a year, give us experience in 2017, just don't think he would wait that long before going pro.

[Hawg Red]

He's from Nevada.  We'll see how it shakes out.

He's actually from Oregon, but went to Findlay Prep in Nevada.

[Wildhog]

He's actually from Oregon, but went to Findlay Prep in Nevada.

Oh, good deal.  Thanks for the info.

[Pancetta]

If BP and MQ come back do we still havea spot oen with Babd leaving? What style did he play at UW?

[HawgnCorona]

Arkansas & UNLV:  http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/2015/04/09/report-washington-huskies-nigel-williams-goss-to-transfer/

Looks like he would be an excellent addition...And has been to LBJ Skills Academy.

[WooPig90]

Sounds like some major turnover mentioned by some may be true.

These transfers wouldnt count until the next season right? So idk if it tells anything about players departed in the next few weeks

[Hawg Red]

These transfers wouldnt count until the next season right? So idk if it tells anything about players departed in the next few weeks

They would count towards the scholarship total immediately.

[WooPig90]

They would count towards the scholarship total immediately.

Dang, that sucks. Would love to have him and King but dont think we could tie up 2 schollys sitting out!

[Hawg Red]

Dang, that sucks. Would love to have him and King but dont think we could tie up 2 schollys sitting out!

We're about to have two open spots. But I doubt we'd get both. Most likely would probably be King. I think Williams-Goss will stay out West.

[JackJohnson]

uhh, yea. you do whatever it takes to get this NWG kid

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/67814/nigel-williams-goss

[-Blu]

Getting a guy like NWG would be beyond huge.

Possibly having a guard rotation of NWG, Whitt, Monk, and Beard in 2016, now your talking about making a big run in the tournament and competing for a National Championship.

[WooPig90]

If you had to choose one, Goss or King?

[-Blu]

If you had to choose one, Goss or King?

That's really easy.... NWG of course.  Goss is the type of guy like a shabazz napier that will win you games in the tournament and be the leader of your team.  King is more like a Coty Clarke type of guy, be a pretty good role player in the right system.

[Hawg Red]

If you had to choose one, Goss or King?

Goss. No question.

[The_Iceman]

If you had to choose one, Goss or King?

Goss.

I think Arkansas is a pretty trendy program right now. We have stability in our coaching staff and a brand new facility opening. I think we would be an enticing option for him.

[HawgnCorona]

Goss.

I think Arkansas is a pretty trendy program right now. We have stability in our coaching staff and a brand new facility opening. I think we would be an enticing option for him.

Lets hope so...Iceman. Lets hope so

[Atlhogfan1]

37mpg won't happen at Arkansas. 
421 shot attempts probably wouldn't.  Qualls and Portis played some of the highest minutes ever for an Anderson player to get to that range.  BJ, Carroll, English were some other players that approached that number.  Whitt, Beard, maybe Monk on the roster when he would become eligible.
335 2pt attempts with a mid range shot that went a long way to getting him to 15 ppg. Nice assist to to ratio and assist totals.  421 shots and a high assist amount means he had the ball a lot.  How would that work with Whitt and Beard?  Would he be ok with less as a Jr after sitting out a season and having contemplated a move to the NBA already? Did some checking and his lateral quickness and ability to defend on the ball came into question. 

Don't turn down a player like this unless they could cause chemistry issues.  Unlike our other transfers or transfer prospects, this is more than a role player. 

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2015/4/9/8377145/nigel-williams-goss-transfer-washington

"Jason Scheer revealed that the reason for the All-Academic's departure was a clashing with teammates. Players just don't like playing with Williams-Goss, with a trail going back to his AAU days. We may finally now have the reasoning for Aaron Gordon's commitment to the University of Arizona instead of Washington: Williams-Goss. Marshall Cherrington revealed that this morning."

[Hawg Red]

37mpg won't happen at Arkansas. 
421 shot attempts probably wouldn't.  Qualls and Portis played some of the highest minutes ever for an Anderson player to get to that range.  BJ, Carroll, English were some other players that approached that number.  Whitt, Beard, maybe Monk on the roster when he would become eligible.
335 2pt attempts with a mid range shot that went a long way to getting him to 15 ppg. Nice assist to to ratio and assist totals.  421 shots and a high assist amount means he had the ball a lot.  How would that work with Whitt and Beard?  Would he be ok with less as a Jr after sitting out a season and having contemplated a move to the NBA already? Did some checking and his lateral quickness and ability to defend on the ball came into question. 

Don't turn down a player like this unless they could cause chemistry issues.  Unlike our other transfers or transfer prospects, this is more than a role player. 

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2015/4/9/8377145/nigel-williams-goss-transfer-washington

"Jason Scheer revealed that the reason for the All-Academic's departure was a clashing with teammates. Players just don't like playing with Williams-Goss, with a trail going back to his AAU days. We may finally now have the reasoning for Aaron Gordon's commitment to the University of Arizona instead of Washington: Williams-Goss. Marshall Cherrington revealed that this morning."

Good post.

I love Goss has a player. Love him. But, athletically, he is not a great fit for Anderson. Also, him coming to Arkansas seems unlikely to me because he's a West Coast kid and originally committed to UNLV. He was mostly considering schools out West in HS. With that said, I'd take him yesterday. But I don't think we'll get a good look.

As for all of the chemistry issues, I have never heard anything about that. If true, obviously my tune would change on him.

[poloprince]

Now if MA takes a transfer id take this guy in a heartbeat.

[azhog10]

37mpg won't happen at Arkansas. 
421 shot attempts probably wouldn't.  Qualls and Portis played some of the highest minutes ever for an Anderson player to get to that range.  BJ, Carroll, English were some other players that approached that number.  Whitt, Beard, maybe Monk on the roster when he would become eligible.
335 2pt attempts with a mid range shot that went a long way to getting him to 15 ppg. Nice assist to to ratio and assist totals.  421 shots and a high assist amount means he had the ball a lot.  How would that work with Whitt and Beard?  Would he be ok with less as a Jr after sitting out a season and having contemplated a move to the NBA already? Did some checking and his lateral quickness and ability to defend on the ball came into question. 

Don't turn down a player like this unless they could cause chemistry issues.  Unlike our other transfers or transfer prospects, this is more than a role player. 

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2015/4/9/8377145/nigel-williams-goss-transfer-washington

"Jason Scheer revealed that the reason for the All-Academic's departure was a clashing with teammates. Players just don't like playing with Williams-Goss, with a trail going back to his AAU days. We may finally now have the reasoning for Aaron Gordon's commitment to the University of Arizona instead of Washington: Williams-Goss. Marshall Cherrington revealed that this morning."

I agree. CMA doesn't seem to play anyone close to 30 minutes a game..........

This is the tired argument used for forever in regards to CMA and how elite players don't want to play for him. But let's look at actual numbers. In Conference games and the close OOC games Portis averaged 30.9 mpg. That's including the four Conference wins that were blowouts and the game Portis fouled out. Qualls averaged 30.6 in those games as well. That's again counting the blowout wins in conference, two games he was in foul trouble, the benching against Kentucky. So to act like CMA doesn't like to play his studs especially in big games is very interesting. This guy played 37 minutes on a team that wasn't very good and didn't play the style we play. But don't act like this kid would never see 30 plus minutes in a game if he is deserving to do so.

[Atlhogfan1]

I agree. CMA doesn't seem to play anyone close to 30 minutes a game..........

This is the tired argument used for forever in regards to CMA and how elite players don't want to play for him. But let's look at actual numbers. In Conference games and the close OOC games Portis averaged 30.9 mpg. That's including the four Conference wins that were blowouts and the game Portis fouled out. Qualls averaged 30.6 in those games as well. That's again counting the blowout wins in conference, two games he was in foul trouble, the benching against Kentucky. So to act like CMA doesn't like to play his studs especially in big games is very interesting. This guy played 37 minutes on a team that wasn't very good and didn't play the style we play. But don't act like this kid would never see 30 plus minutes in a game if he is deserving to do so.

Don't assume anything in one of my posts and make another weird uncalled for tired defense of Mike Anderson.  Nowhere did I say he would or wouldn't approach 30mpg.  He may would although it is a rarity with an Anderson player.  I'm fully aware of the minutes Qualls and Portis played.  I've only made reference in different conversations many times this season.  I didn't act like anything when it comes to how Anderson plays players.

In this conversation about this guard, he would be coming into a different situation from the one he has been in at Washington.  His minutes would be less on a better team.  Is this the situation he wants?  Maybe it is.  Maybe he wants to win more and contribute and play less.  But don't act like I made some criticism of Mike Anderson.

[PorkRinds]

Don't assume darn in one of my posts and make another weird uncalled for [CENSORED] tired defense of Mike Anderson.  Nowhere in hell did I say he would or wouldn't approach 30mpg.  He may would although it is a rarity with an Anderson player.  I'm fully [CENSORED] aware of the minutes Qualls and Portis played.  I've only made reference in different conversations many times this season.  I didn't act like darn when it comes to how Anderson plays players.

In this conversation about this guard, he would be coming into a different situation from the one he has been in at Washington.  His minutes would be less on a better team.  Is this the situation he wants?  Maybe it is.  Maybe he wants to win more and contribute and play less.  But don't act like I made some criticism of Mike Anderson because you played high school basketball for Zimmerman and you feel the need to defend them for some weird reason.

Dude.  Valium.  Take it.

[Atlhogfan1]

Dude.  Valium.  Take it.

Dude.  The childish homer unnecessary defenses of Mike Anderson are tiresome.  No need for it in this conversation. 

I softened it for you.   

[azhog10]

Don't assume anything in one of my posts and make another weird uncalled for tired defense of Mike Anderson.  Nowhere did I say he would or wouldn't approach 30mpg.  He may would although it is a rarity with an Anderson player.  I'm fully aware of the minutes Qualls and Portis played.  I've only made reference in different conversations many times this season.  I didn't act like anything when it comes to how Anderson plays players.

In this conversation about this guard, he would be coming into a different situation from the one he has been in at Washington.  His minutes would be less on a better team.  Is this the situation he wants?  Maybe it is.  Maybe he wants to win more and contribute and play less.  But don't act like I made some criticism of Mike Anderson.

Not sure how Zimmerman comes into this but okay. You stated he plays X number of minutes and he won't see that here. I'm saying CMA has broken that tired argument that players won't see 30 minutes a game if they play for him. Portis and Qualls played 30 or more minutes 17 and 13 times respectively. Qualls would have done it more if he didn't lose playing time due to other things. Beard and Madden also had a number of games where they played over 30 minutes. So yes if he came here he would see maybe not 37 exactly, but could easily see 30 plus minutes in many many games. IT's also not like Portis took 466 shots this season and Qualls 413. The situations on both rosters are totally different, but CMA still seemed to find close to 30 mpg for his two stars and plenty of shot attempts to make them two of the SEC's leading scorers.

PS, there's plenty of other threads that take shots at CMA and Coach Z that I haven't even responded to. It's the ones that people (including yourself) make that there is actual proof that you are wrong. Sorry I brought actual numbers into this conversation that got you to throw your fit.

[onebadrubi]

NWG would be a HUGE pick-up. King would be big as well. Nigel William-Goss is the kind of player that wins you a championship.

Sometimes timing is more important than anything else.  If only we had a NWG this last year. 

[Atlhogfan1]

Not sure how Zimmerman comes into this but okay. You stated he plays X number of minutes and he won't see that here. I'm saying CMA has broken that tired argument that players won't see 30 minutes a game if they play for him. Portis and Qualls played 30 or more minutes 17 and 13 times respectively. Qualls would have done it more if he didn't lose playing time due to other things. Beard and Madden also had a number of games where they played over 30 minutes. So yes if he came here he would see maybe not 37 exactly, but could easily see 30 plus minutes in many many games. IT's also not like Portis took 466 shots this season and Qualls 413. The situations on both rosters are totally different, but CMA still seemed to find close to 30 mpg for his two stars and plenty of shot attempts to make them two of the SEC's leading scorers.

PS, there's plenty of other threads that take shots at CMA and Coach Z that I haven't even responded to. It's the ones that people (including yourself) make that there is actual proof that you are wrong. Sorry I brought actual numbers into this conversation that got you to throw your fit.

First of all, unless he would transfer to Arkansas and play 37 MPG or at least close to it, I'm not wrong.  Do you think he would?  Of course not.  My food for thought I was putting out in the earlier post I thought was obvious.  This would be a player who is used to having the ball a lot and being on the court a lot and taking a high number of shot attempts coming to a deeper roster where his time on the court would be less, his amount of time with the ball may would be less and his shot attempts could very well be less.  Nowhere in any of that is there an indictment of Mike Anderson. 

Spare me the details of Portis and Qualls minutes.  I've already discussed them many times here this season in varying context.  I'm aware just as I am with past Anderson players throughout his career.  No criticism or indictment of him or his coaching.  It is how he does it. 

I dealt with a similar stupid situation like this in the Politics forum last week.  Benny decided he wanted to make an argument so he created one to make his.  You are doing the same here.  "I'm saying CMA has broken that tired argument that players won't see 30 minutes a game if they play for him."  No darn.  These aren't the first two players to break 30 for him. 

[azhog10]

First of all, unless he would transfer to Arkansas and play 37 MPG or at least close to it, I'm not wrong.  Do you think he would?  Of course not.  My food for thought I was putting out in the earlier post I thought was obvious.  This would be a player who is used to having the ball a lot and being on the court a lot and taking a high number of shot attempts coming to a deeper roster where his time on the court would be less, his amount of time with the ball may would be less and his shot attempts could very well be less.  Nowhere in any of that is there an indictment of Mike Anderson. 

Spare me the details of Portis and Qualls minutes.  I've already discussed them many times here this season in varying context.  I'm aware just as I am with past Anderson players throughout his career.  No criticism or indictment of him or his coaching.  It is how he does it. 

I dealt with a similar stupid situation like this in the Politics forum last week.  Benny decided he wanted to make an argument so he created one to make his.  You are doing the same here.  "I'm saying CMA has broken that tired argument that players won't see 30 minutes a game if they play for him."  No darn.  These aren't the first two players to break 30 for him.

I'm sure any player would trade 5 mpg for possibly 6-7 extra games. Kid would still get 30 plus minutes here and would be in a program and on a team with a chance to play a lot more games than what he will see at UW.

[Atlhogfan1]

I'm sure any player would trade 5 mpg for possibly 6-7 extra games. Kid would still get 30 plus minutes here and would be in a program and on a team with a chance to play a lot more games than what he will see at UW.

This could have been your earlier reply and the conversation would have went better.  He could get 30.  Beard would be a Jr, Whitt a So.  What if he couldn't defend as well as we wanted?  Or his 3pt shooting remains where it is?  Would he get 30 minutes away from Beard and Whitt?  Maybe Monk goes to UK and we would play 3 guards.  Who knows?  My earlier post was just things to consider instead of someone posting he might be interested and everyone screaming "take him" "I'm so excited".  This isn't even touching on the rumors the UW blog is throwing out. 

[husker71]

what is going on with the Washington program???

[Hawg Red]

what is going on with the Washington program???

Romar is an underachiever.

[azhog10]

This could have been your earlier reply and the conversation would have went better.  He could get 30.  Beard would be a Jr, Whitt a So.  What if he couldn't defend as well as we wanted?  Or his 3pt shooting remains where it is?  Would he get 30 minutes away from Beard and Whitt?  Maybe Monk goes to UK and we would play 3 guards.  Who knows?  My earlier post was just things to consider instead of someone posting he might be interested and everyone screaming "take him" "I'm so excited".  This isn't even touching on the rumors the UW blog is throwing out.

If he can't play he can't play. Like I said he will get the minutes that he earns. Just like any program. If he's worried about competition this isn't the place for him. CMA will put his best players on the floor. If it's 3 guards or 4.

As we all know rumor boards are called rumor boards for a reason. We have seen many times how a kid goes from great to garbage when he decides to leave.

[secfan30]

He would be a big pick up for us

[-Blu]

If he can't play he can't play. Like I said he will get the minutes that he earns. Just like any program. If he's worried about competition this isn't the place for him. CMA will put his best players on the floor. If it's 3 guards or 4.

As we all know rumor boards are called rumor boards for a reason. We have seen many times how a kid goes from great to garbage when he decides to leave.

My thoughts exactly, if he's worried about competition from 2 underclassmen that was rated lower than him, he's coming to the wrong school.  He was rated higher than both Whitt and Beard, in his mind he should be a better player than them and able to beat them out and get his minutes.

[Hogz87]

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2015/4/9/8377145/nigel-williams-goss-transfer-washington

"Jason Scheer revealed that the reason for the All-Academic's departure was a clashing with teammates. Players just don't like playing with Williams-Goss, with a trail going back to his AAU days. We may finally now have the reasoning for Aaron Gordon's commitment to the University of Arizona instead of Washington: Williams-Goss. Marshall Cherrington revealed that this morning."

So this isn't a red flag to anyone else?  Seems like this got skipped over by a lot of people.

[-Blu]

So this isn't a red flag to anyone else?  Seems like this got skipped over by a lot of people.

You have to take those articles with a grain of salt, especially if they come from the locals that just lost their best player.  We even do that in Arkansas.  When Hunter Mickelson left for Kansas, all of a sudden him and his Dad were horrible guys, people still make threads and talk about him.  When BJ Young declared for the draft, it was all of a sudden addition by subtraction and he was holding us back.  Same thing with Powell.  I think a lot of people are guilty of doing that sometimes, when you lose something you want to downplay the importantance and try to highlight/exaggerate the bad to make yourself feel better.  Had he decided to stay at Washington this article would never had seen the light of day.

[Atlhogfan1]

It isnt about beating out. It may would be how much sharing and splitting that he hasnt faced in the past and how he views it.

[Hogz87]

You have to take those articles with a grain of salt, especially if they come from the locals that just lost their best player.  We even do that in Arkansas.  When Hunter Mickelson left for Kansas, all of a sudden him and his Dad were horrible guys, people still make threads and talk about him.  When BJ Young declared for the draft, it was all of a sudden addition by subtraction and he was holding us back.  Same thing with Powell.  I think a lot of people are guilty of doing that sometimes, when you lose something you want to downplay the importantance and try to highlight/exaggerate the bad to make yourself feel better.  Had he decided to stay at Washington this article would never had seen the light of day.

I agree, you can't take stuff like that at its word.  I do think it could be a little bit of a cause for concern, but I trust that our coaching staff will do their due diligence on the matter.  If we Goss decides he wants to come here, and our coaches accept/agree, then I won't have any issues or concerns because I trust their judgement.

I just thought it was a little odd that after Atlhogfan posted about the alleged word/rumors that other players, going back to his AAU days, don't like playing with Goss, there were 15ish posts and it was pretty much ignored and/or glossed over.

[Atlhogfan1]

I just want to add before any more childish crap comes, I'm not saying I agree with the rumors, giving any credence to them or posting them for any other reason than just an FYI.  Someone who "covers" the transfer from program is putting out a possible reason for the transfer for public consumption.  When looking to hire someone or accepting someone, I like to know why they are looking, available or at least open to moving. 

[-Blu]

It isnt about beating out. It may would be how much sharing and splitting that he hasnt faced in the past and how he views it.

It's pretty simple, you play at an all SEC level you'll play close to 30 MPG (See Qualls and Portis).  You play pretty good, but at just about the same level as the guy behind you or your not consistent you'll be splitting minutes at your position (See Harris and Williams).  You don't play well you'll be sitting on the bench (See Keaton Miles).

Personally If I'm a former 5-star and all PAC-12 player transferring I'm just looking for the best team and the best fit for me, I got confidence I'll beat out whoever and play the minutes I need to, unless I'm looking at Kentucky or another school that's bringing in multiple McDonald All-Americans.  If I'm looking at Arkansas I'm pretty confident I'll be the starting PG and play the minutes I want.

[Atlhogfan1]

It's pretty simple, you play at an all SEC level you'll play close to 30 MPG (See Qualls and Portis).  You play pretty good, but at just about the same level as the guy behind you or your not consistent you'll be splitting minutes at your position (See Harris and Williams).  You don't play well you'll be sitting on the bench (See Keaton Miles).

Personally If I'm a former 5-star and all PAC-12 player transferring I'm just looking for the best team and the best fit for me, I got confidence I'll beat out whoever and play the minutes I need to, unless I'm looking at Kentucky or another school that's bringing in multiple McDonald All-Americans.  If I'm looking at Arkansas I'm pretty confident I'll be the starting PG and play the minutes I want.

That may would be how he would view it. 

Portis appeared to break down at the end of the season.  He looked physically worn down.  He and Qualls played the minutes they did out of necessity.  Not exactly how we want to play given the effort needed to play defense in what we try to do. 

And G's Denmon and Hannah each avg 30mpg for Mike for one season.  I'm not making a 30mpg argument.  az decided to bring this into the conversation.

[Beaverfever]

i will take Goss for a year, give us experience in 2017, just don't think he would wait that long before going pro.

Since he's looking to transfer instead of just turning pro now it sounds like he's decided he's happy being a 4-5 year guy.  We get this guy and that elite guard rotation we've been wanting really starts becoming a reality.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

So this isn't a red flag to anyone else?  Seems like this got skipped over by a lot of people.

No, it's totally a homer post. They are blaming this kid for Aaron Gordon going to Zona. Gordon went to Zona because it a much better BBall school than Washington

[Smithian]

Hogs desperately looking for a transfer or two it seems.

This would be a very good pickup.

[Atlhogfan1]

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2015/04/09/3733196/john-mcgrath-nigel-williams-goss.html

Local writer gives his thoughts on the transfer. 

Hogs desperately looking for a transfer or two it seems.

This would be a very good pickup.

Balances out Babb leaving to add a player who would be a Jr in '16-17.