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hogsanity

are you advocating for the wishbone or veer? Because spread type offenses and read option type offenses are everywhere, it is not unique at all. A kid wanting to play in that type of offense has about 50 schools to choose from.
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Razorfox

Exactly, the same people that are complaining that we are trying to out Alabama Alabama want us to out Auburn Auburn, out TCU TCU, out Oklahoma Oklahoma, out Ohio State Ohio State, etc, etc, etc. 

 

GunnerHawg70

Quote from: Razorfox on September 20, 2017, 09:14:04 am
Exactly, the same people that are complaining that we are trying to out Alabama Alabama want us to out Auburn Auburn, out TCU TCU, out Oklahoma Oklahoma, out Ohio State Ohio State, etc, etc, etc.

Huh ???

hogsanity

Quote from: GunnerHawg70 on September 20, 2017, 09:16:04 am
Huh ???

they say we can not play the same way Bama does and ever beat Bama, yet they think we can play like other top teams and somehow win that way, even though they are not beating Bama either.
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Atlhogfan1

Bama has changed.  Saban saw the value in having a qb that can be used in the running game and in more of a spread. 

I wish we had some identity on offense.
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Razorfox

Quote from: GunnerHawg70 on September 20, 2017, 09:16:04 am
Huh ???

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 09:19:43 am
they say we can not play the same way Bama does and ever beat Bama, yet they think we can play like other top teams and somehow win that way, even though they are not beating Bama either.

This and the fact that if there are so many recruits that may want to play in those types of systems, they are going to be spread out to 50 different programs.  For the players that want to play in a different or unique system, there are only a couple for them to be distributed amongst.  I believe that was the OP's point. 

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12247

I don't care what you call the scheme, if you are limited on game breakers compared to your competition, you must find a way to get your few in a position to take advantage of their weakest studs to have any chance at all.  This is usually accomplished by spreading the field out where hopefully the competition cannot take your few studs out as easily.  This theory gained the name, Spread.  Then several sub names applied to it.  Remember one DC in the pros called it the Chunk and Duck.  Pro Spread, Option Read.  We run it in High School in 1963, 64 and 65 and we just called it a spread.  We did it for the same reasons it is run today, to get our best player some room to roam and it worked. 

Mainly, its using the brain to find a way to advance the football down field.  It like taking your best basketball player and isolating him by moving the other 4 out of the way.  Theory is that he can beat 1 on 1 all the time.  There are far more players that can survive in a spread system than in a bunch power run situation.  Open your head and watch us trying to get a few yards n the red zone by power running.  We are using less talent trying to push more talent out of the way and it rarely works except when we play the rent a win who has even less talent than we do.

I understand that the horses in the SEC will still have more horses than us but the more open scheme still allows for a better fighting chance.

Think about it this way, Hogsanity.  If you were going to have to fight a man far more talented than you in the fight game, would you want him in a 10' X 10' bunched up cubicle or in a 100' X 100' ring.  Which venue do you believe you would last the longest in?

The Boar War

Bielema wanted to have a unique offense.  When Brett came he wanted to set up a power running game.  Unfortunately he hired the wrong OC.  If he had hired an offensive coordinator who had a background in I formation football he might have been more successful.  Unfortunately Chaney seemed to be a prerequisite for Pittman.  For someone who says they won't take shortcuts he covered up a huge crack in the foundation. 

jst01

Quote from: 12247 on September 20, 2017, 09:53:53 am
I don't care what you call the scheme, if you are limited on game breakers compared to your competition, you must find a way to get your few in a position to take advantage of their weakest studs to have any chance at all.  This is usually accomplished by spreading the field out where hopefully the competition cannot take your few studs out as easily.  This theory gained the name, Spread.  Then several sub names applied to it.  Remember one DC in the pros called it the Chunk and Duck.  Pro Spread, Option Read.  We run it in High School in 1963, 64 and 65 and we just called it a spread.  We did it for the same reasons it is run today, to get our best player some room to roam and it worked. 

Mainly, its using the brain to find a way to advance the football down field.  It like taking your best basketball player and isolating him by moving the other 4 out of the way.  Theory is that he can beat 1 on 1 all the time.  There are far more players that can survive in a spread system than in a bunch power run situation.  Open your head and watch us trying to get a few yards n the red zone by power running.  We are using less talent trying to push more talent out of the way and it rarely works except when we play the rent a win who has even less talent than we do.

I understand that the horses in the SEC will still have more horses than us but the more open scheme still allows for a better fighting chance.

Think about it this way, Hogsanity.  If you were going to have to fight a man far more talented than you in the fight game, would you want him in a 10' X 10' bunched up cubicle or in a 100' X 100' ring.  Which venue do you believe you would last the longest in?

Pretty much correct.   Stoerner summed it up on the radio the other day by saying for a coach to be truly successful at AR, he would have to be "exotic" on one side of the ball. Exotic meaning, you aren't lining up trying to run a standard offense that every coordinator has studied over the past 60 years.

And in regards to drawing recruits, you need to win games to do that. Be good and relevant.  So in order to do that, I believe you need to have a type of coach that is a specialist and able to be "exotic" and out-scheme the other and create an advantage.

RagingHawgOn

Quote from: jst01 on September 20, 2017, 10:12:01 am
So in order to do that, I believe you need to have a type of coach that is a specialist and able to be "exotic" and out-scheme the other and create an advantage.

Is that borderline exotic or full-fledged?

hogsanity

what it really comes down to with most people is the same thing it did when they wanted Hatfield gone, they want a more " exciting " offense. They forget the Hogs had a 3K yard passer last year. They for get the year that BA had his Sr season passing. As is typical of Arkansans in general, they see what others have that are doing well and they want to copy it. "  OOhh this team is running a spread with read option and a freak at QB, lets do that " " that team runs shotgun every play and throws 90 bubble screens a game, lets do that ".

What is funny though, not once, not one time while Bama was just cramming it down peoples throats did anyone here say they wanted an offense like that. Why? Because it was boring.  It was so boring watching Bama hand off 40 times a game to their big bruising backs, then throw 15 play action passes and kill people. 
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jst01

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 11:00:04 am
what it really comes down to with most people is the same thing it did when they wanted Hatfield gone, they want a more " exciting " offense. They forget the Hogs had a 3K yard passer last year. They for get the year that BA had his Sr season passing. As is typical of Arkansans in general, they see what others have that are doing well and they want to copy it. "  OOhh this team is running a spread with read option and a freak at QB, lets do that " " that team runs shotgun every play and throws 90 bubble screens a game, lets do that ".

What is funny though, not once, not one time while Bama was just cramming it down peoples throats did anyone here say they wanted an offense like that. Why? Because it was boring.  It was so boring watching Bama hand off 40 times a game to their big bruising backs, then throw 15 play action passes and kill people. 

sure, that's totally it.

 

Wildhog

I don't care if it's unique or not, but we have to run a system that plays to the type of players we can recruit.

If we can't produce a top flight OL, then a power running attack probably isn't going to work. 
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East TN HAWG

Quote from: Wildhog on September 20, 2017, 11:19:24 am
I don't care if it's unique or not, but we have to run a system that plays to the type of players we can recruit.

If we can't produce a top flight OL, then a power running attack probably isn't going to work. 

This is correct. 

Hollywood_HOGan45

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 11:00:04 am
what it really comes down to with most people is the same thing it did when they wanted Hatfield gone, they want a more " exciting " offense. They forget the Hogs had a 3K yard passer last year. They for get the year that BA had his Sr season passing. As is typical of Arkansans in general, they see what others have that are doing well and they want to copy it. "  OOhh this team is running a spread with read option and a freak at QB, lets do that " " that team runs shotgun every play and throws 90 bubble screens a game, lets do that ".

What is funny though, not once, not one time while Bama was just cramming it down peoples throats did anyone here say they wanted an offense like that. Why? Because it was boring.  It was so boring watching Bama hand off 40 times a game to their big bruising backs, then throw 15 play action passes and kill people.

I don't want an exciting offense.  However I do want to score more points than the other team and not be a complete disaster. 

We aren't winning with Bielema.

hoghearted

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cmrhawg

I think folks just want to win. When we are not winning we try to think of ways that we could win. Changing schemes is one way that comes to mind. In the end I dont think anyone actually cares about scheme if we win 9 or 10 games.

The_Iceman

We can win with the offensive system we have. We just have to have the players, especially on the offensive line. We don't have that right now.

The problem is this is a tough system to recruit and implement. You need many pieces, which is why programs have gone away from it. Give a spread passing coach a QB and a couple WRs, and he can put up yards and points.

Gundy and Leach are running the beat system for a small school that lacks recruiting advantages for getting linemen.

Pig in the Pokey

OBVIUOS ANSWER is obvious. SIGN A DAMN DUAL THREAT QB. How about the #1 recruit in Arkansas? Or, is it still a no-no to have a poc QB ?
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FineAsSwine

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 11:00:04 am
what it really comes down to with most people is the same thing it did when they wanted Hatfield gone, they want a more " exciting " offense. They forget the Hogs had a 3K yard passer last year. They for get the year that BA had his Sr season passing. As is typical of Arkansans in general, they see what others have that are doing well and they want to copy it. "  OOhh this team is running a spread with read option and a freak at QB, lets do that " " that team runs shotgun every play and throws 90 bubble screens a game, lets do that ".

What is funny though, not once, not one time while Bama was just cramming it down peoples throats did anyone here say they wanted an offense like that. Why? Because it was boring.  It was so boring watching Bama hand off 40 times a game to their big bruising backs, then throw 15 play action passes and kill people.


I want wins and I can equally appreciate a W no matter what style of offense we use. If we looked anything like bama and got the same results, I would be ecstatic. I would be equally happy to win throwing it 50 times a game. Losing is boring.
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Porkette

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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 09:19:43 am
they say we can not play the same way Bama does and ever beat Bama, yet they think we can play like other top teams and somehow win that way, even though they are not beating Bama either.

Brilliant! You would think those saying stuff would understand that!
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Quote from: rob99SS on September 20, 2017, 11:25:29 am
It amazes me how much you defend Bert, yet criticize Mike Anderson in nearly all your basketball posts.

What are you talking about?  I happy with the job Anderson is doing. 

 

hoghearted

Quote from: East TN HAWG on September 20, 2017, 12:37:15 pm
What are you talking about?  I happy with the job Anderson is doing. 

maybe he was talking about 'sanity?
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hogsanity

Quote from: rob99SS on September 20, 2017, 11:25:29 am
It amazes me how much you defend Bert, yet criticize Mike Anderson in nearly all your basketball posts.

Could not care less if BB stays or goes. This thread was to those saying we need a unique offense. What do they consider unique? It sure isn't the spread, cause just about everyone is doing that.
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bphi11ips

Every offense ever devised, and every defense, too, is designed to create a numbers advantage at the point of attack.  QB reads, pre and post snap, are one way of doing that.  Play action is another.  Blitz packages are one strategy employed by the defense to accomplish the advantage.

Number advantage is different than personnel advantage.  Those who think Arkansas should run a "spread", post-snap read type offense insist that Arkansas is incapable of recruiting the quality personnel required to run an offense based upon play action.  Maybe that's true.  I don't personally believe it is.  I believe the type of offense Bret Bielema is trying to install not only fits Arkansas's recruiting base, it is best suited to win championships.  Why does that type of offense dominate professional football?

I will agree that NFL offenses can be boring.  My favorite offenses to watch have always been the West Virginia Pat White-type post read QB options.  Georgia Tech was a joy to watch against Tennessee to start the season.  I'd love to see Arkansas run an offense like that, but I'd rather win big games against ranked opponents, especially since that is who makes up about half of our schedule. 
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GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 12:40:44 pm
Could not care less if BB stays or goes. This thread was to those saying we need a unique offense. What do they consider unique? It sure isn't the spread, cause just about everyone is doing that.

The overwhelming majority of the teams that run the spread, do so using the HUNH concept. The Power Spread that Petrino ran at Arkansas didn't use the HUNH concept and was therefore, unique. Petrino however, IS using the HUNH concept at Louisville. I never have liked the HUNH concept.
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jst01

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 12:40:44 pm
Could not care less if BB stays or goes. This thread was to those saying we need a unique offense. What do they consider unique? It sure isn't the spread, cause just about everyone is doing that.

When I think of "unique" I think of a scheme that is GREAT at usually one thing, and adequate at the other.  When you are already at a recruiting disadvantage like AR is, it makes it even more difficult when you are trying to recruit players that need to be great at several things (i.e. run block and pass block against some very good defenses).

So lets say we were to bring in a coach that said "I'm going to be a spread offense that plays with 4 wide-outs most of the time out of the shotgun and the fastest guys on the team will be getting the ball. I also want a QB that can pull the ball down and make some moves with his legs."  So that coach can worry about recruiting a shotgun spread minded QB that can use his legs and athletes that can run for days.  Running backs that are 6'2" and run a 4.7 need not apply because the offense isn't made for those type of players. Also he can worry about recruiting O-lineman that are not 6'6" and 345 lbs that need to be able to push D lineman on their backs.  He can recruit quick agile O lineman that have been in HS programs that pass block or zone block 80% of the time. 

The system we run now requires the offense to have to be great at everything. Our O-Line has to be on their 'A' game in run blocking and pass blocking or we lose. Our WR's have to run block downfield and run the perfect route or we lose. We don't get recruits that are this good.

I think you could recruit better athletes in a specialized offense to AR, and it wouldn't take 2+ years for them to produce if the offense you ran was exactly what they are good at.

FineAsSwine

Quote from: jst01 on September 20, 2017, 01:56:43 pm
When I think of "unique" I think of a scheme that is GREAT at usually one thing, and adequate at the other.  When you are already at a recruiting disadvantage like AR is, it makes it even more difficult when you are trying to recruit players that need to be great at several things (i.e. run block and pass block against some very good defenses).

So lets say we were to bring in a coach that said "I'm going to be a spread offense that plays with 4 wide-outs most of the time out of the shotgun and the fastest guys on the team will be getting the ball. I also want a QB that can pull the ball down and make some moves with his legs."  So that coach can worry about recruiting a shotgun spread minded QB that can use his legs and athletes that can run for days.  Running backs that are 6'2" and run a 4.7 need not apply because the offense isn't made for those type of players. Also he can worry about recruiting O-lineman that are not 6'6" and 345 lbs that need to be able to push D lineman on their backs.  He can recruit quick agile O lineman that have been in HS programs that pass block or zone block 80% of the time. 

The system we run now requires the offense to have to be great at everything. Our O-Line has to be on their 'A' game in run blocking and pass blocking or we lose. Our WR's have to run block downfield and run the perfect route or we lose. We don't get recruits that are this good.

I think you could recruit better athletes in a specialized offense to AR, and it wouldn't take 2+ years for them to produce if the offense you ran was exactly what they are good at.

well, this makes a lot of sense.
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wildturkey8

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Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 09:19:43 am
they say we can not play the same way Bama does and ever beat Bama, yet they think we can play like other top teams and somehow win that way, even though they are not beating Bama either.
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presidenthog

Quote from: Pig in the Pokey on September 20, 2017, 12:12:51 pm
OBVIUOS ANSWER is obvious. SIGN A DAMN DUAL THREAT QB. How about the #1 recruit in Arkansas? Or, is it still a no-no to have a poc QB ?

Stfu no one cares. We don't run a system that a DT is good in. It has nothing to do with the race of the player you race baiting idiot.

XIHOG

I don't think it so much about the X's and O's as much as its about the Joe's.  Saban doesn't run an exotic offense but he definitely has the Joe's year in and year out. 

porkrindjimmy

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 08:42:47 am
are you advocating for the wishbone or veer? Because spread type offenses and read option type offenses are everywhere, it is not unique at all. A kid wanting to play in that type of offense has about 50 schools to choose from.

The veer or the wishbone? Dang dude, you are stretching. To ever win big in this conference, Arkansas will have to have a coach who has a unique offensive philosophy..you can harp on the Veer or the wing T all you want...this ain't Barry Switzer. But the next guy will have to be unique..and all your rumbling and rambling about in state recruiting....the next guy will have to pound texas, and then pound it some more. That is the ticket to get over the hump..

Bring a Chad Morris or a Mike Norvell here and watch what happens...

PRJ

porkrindjimmy

Quote from: rob99SS on September 20, 2017, 11:25:29 am
It amazes me how much you defend Bert, yet criticize Mike Anderson in nearly all your basketball posts.

There is a reason for that.....

What he doesn't know is Mike is WAY, WAY more secure than Bret is.

PRJ

tkclark

Quote from: presidenthog on September 20, 2017, 03:03:15 pm
Stfu no one cares. We don't run a system that a DT is good in. It has nothing to do with the race of the player you race baiting idiot.

Guy doesn't seem to remember a damn good QB named Quinn Grovey who won SWC championships.  Guess that fact doesn't fit his agenda.  So tired of people making everything a race thing even when it is not.

porkrindjimmy

Quote from: GuvHog on September 20, 2017, 01:50:00 pm
The overwhelming majority of the teams that run the spread, do so using the HUNH concept. The Power Spread that Petrino ran at Arkansas didn't use the HUNH concept and was therefore, unique. Petrino however, IS using the HUNH concept at Louisville. I never have liked the HUNH concept.
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porkrindjimmy

Quote from: jst01 on September 20, 2017, 01:56:43 pm
When I think of "unique" I think of a scheme that is GREAT at usually one thing, and adequate at the other.  When you are already at a recruiting disadvantage like AR is, it makes it even more difficult when you are trying to recruit players that need to be great at several things (i.e. run block and pass block against some very good defenses).

So lets say we were to bring in a coach that said "I'm going to be a spread offense that plays with 4 wide-outs most of the time out of the shotgun and the fastest guys on the team will be getting the ball. I also want a QB that can pull the ball down and make some moves with his legs."  So that coach can worry about recruiting a shotgun spread minded QB that can use his legs and athletes that can run for days.  Running backs that are 6'2" and run a 4.7 need not apply because the offense isn't made for those type of players. Also he can worry about recruiting O-lineman that are not 6'6" and 345 lbs that need to be able to push D lineman on their backs.  He can recruit quick agile O lineman that have been in HS programs that pass block or zone block 80% of the time. 

The system we run now requires the offense to have to be great at everything. Our O-Line has to be on their 'A' game in run blocking and pass blocking or we lose. Our WR's have to run block downfield and run the perfect route or we lose. We don't get recruits that are this good.

I think you could recruit better athletes in a specialized offense to AR, and it wouldn't take 2+ years for them to produce if the offense you ran was exactly what they are good at.

Another post that gets it...

Expect sanity to ridicule you.

PRJ

porkrindjimmy

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on September 20, 2017, 09:23:11 am
Bama has changed.  Saban saw the value in having a qb that can be used in the running game and in more of a spread. 

I wish we had some identity on offense.

Correct.

PRJ

hogsanity

Quote from: porkrindjimmy on September 20, 2017, 03:12:35 pm
The veer or the wishbone? Dang dude, you are stretching. To ever win big in this conference, Arkansas will have to have a coach who has a unique offensive philosophy..you can harp on the Veer or the wing T all you want...this ain't Barry Switzer. But the next guy will have to be unique..and all your rumbling and rambling about in state recruiting....the next guy will have to pound texas, and then pound it some more. That is the ticket to get over the hump..

Bring a Chad Morris or a Mike Norvell here and watch what happens...

PRJ

I am not advocating for anything. I am asking those who keep saying we need something unique to tell us what that is. The spread is not unique.
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hogsanity

Quote from: jst01 on September 20, 2017, 01:56:43 pm
When I think of "unique" I think of a scheme that is GREAT at usually one thing, and adequate at the other.  When you are already at a recruiting disadvantage like AR is, it makes it even more difficult when you are trying to recruit players that need to be great at several things (i.e. run block and pass block against some very good defenses).

So lets say we were to bring in a coach that said "I'm going to be a spread offense that plays with 4 wide-outs most of the time out of the shotgun and the fastest guys on the team will be getting the ball. I also want a QB that can pull the ball down and make some moves with his legs."  So that coach can worry about recruiting a shotgun spread minded QB that can use his legs and athletes that can run for days.  Running backs that are 6'2" and run a 4.7 need not apply because the offense isn't made for those type of players. Also he can worry about recruiting O-lineman that are not 6'6" and 345 lbs that need to be able to push D lineman on their backs.  He can recruit quick agile O lineman that have been in HS programs that pass block or zone block 80% of the time. 

The system we run now requires the offense to have to be great at everything. Our O-Line has to be on their 'A' game in run blocking and pass blocking or we lose. Our WR's have to run block downfield and run the perfect route or we lose. We don't get recruits that are this good.

I think you could recruit better athletes in a specialized offense to AR, and it wouldn't take 2+ years for them to produce if the offense you ran was exactly what they are good at.

You might be able to recruit better athletes on offense, except that players who want to play n that style have about 50 schools to choose from. But I appreciate you at least explaining what your idea of unique is. I'll say I do not think the spread is unique at all, but as you say they might have an easier time getting athletes for it. 

People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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hogsanity

Quote from: porkrindjimmy on September 20, 2017, 03:14:53 pm
There is a reason for that.....

What he doesn't know is Mike is WAY, WAY more secure than Bret is.

PRJ

I said the day Mike was hired he was here until he does not want to be. He was never going to be fired. Too many people get warm fuzzies about 1994 when they look at him, and too many more are scared to deal with the pc crap if they fire him.
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porkrindjimmy

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 03:57:07 pm
I am not advocating for anything. I am asking those who keep saying we need something unique to tell us what that is. The spread is not unique.


There are unique versions of the spread dude...we have to find the unique version of an offense...then fill those teams out by pounding Texas for recruits. The guy is out there, we, meaning the PTB at Arkansas have to find him.

You aren't going to get over the hump with a coach focused on the defense. It is much easier to recruit to a unique offense and offer up a serviceable defense...

I am telling you, watch. Get that guy and see what happens.

PRJ

hogsanity

Quote from: porkrindjimmy on September 20, 2017, 04:02:13 pm

There are unique versions of the spread dude...we have to find the unique version of an offense...then fill those teams out by pounding Texas for recruits. The guy is out there, we, meaning the PTB at Arkansas have to find him.

You aren't going to get over the hump with a coach focused on the defense. It is much easier to recruit to a unique offense and offer up a serviceable defense...

I am telling you, watch. Get that guy and see what happens.

PRJ

offense puts butts in the seats, defense wins titles.
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ballz2thewall

Quote from: The Boar War on September 20, 2017, 10:10:49 am
Bielema wanted to have a unique offense.  When Brett came he wanted to set up a power running game.  Unfortunately he hired the wrong OC.  If he had hired an offensive coordinator who had a background in I formation football he might have been more successful.  Unfortunately Chaney seemed to be a prerequisite for Pittman.  For someone who says they won't take shortcuts he covered up a huge crack in the foundation.

you make a very good point here that bears emphasis. HAD we gone with a ground oriented OC then we would be farther along down the line by now on the ground.

and of course, the growing pains by being ground-based would've been agonizing to some. 
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jst01

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 04:04:02 pm
offense puts butts in the seats, defense wins titles.

But if you are a school that cant have both, do you focus on scoring and scoring a lot OR do you focus on defense?

ballz2thewall

Quote from: Pig in the Pokey on September 20, 2017, 12:12:51 pm
OBVIUOS ANSWER is obvious. SIGN A DAMN DUAL THREAT QB. How about the #1 recruit in Arkansas? Or, is it still a no-no to have a poc QB ?

i agree. get off the asss and get a mf what can run, too.
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hogsanity

Quote from: jst01 on September 20, 2017, 04:08:12 pm
But if you are a school that cant have both, do you focus on scoring and scoring a lot OR do you focus on defense?

Does it matter if you are losing 56-49 or 17-10? It is still an L.

Personally I am not a fan of basketball on grass. These teams that throw a zillion bubble screens every game are just as boring as teams that run it off tackle a zillion times a game. Watching the QB run the ball 25 times a game is just as boring as watching a tb run it that often.

BUt, and this is why I asked the question, if you ( not saying you personally ) think the Hogs need something unique to sell to recruits, the spread isnt it cause it is not unique. Now your line of thought was that even if not unique, it is still easier to get athletes for the spread is a reasonable line of thought.
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jst01

Quote from: hogsanity on September 20, 2017, 04:15:19 pm
Does it matter if you are losing 56-49 or 17-10? It is still an L.


Not really.  That reminds me of the line of thinking when arguing that the Hogs should move to the Big12..  whats the difference between the Hogs beating Kansas State or Miss. State during the year?  Or whats the difference between getting killed by Oklahoma or Bama?  They are all Wins and Losses.  I don't think fans would care one way or the other once the W's start rolling in.

sorry...had to throw my 'leave the SEC' reasoning in there.