How does it make you feel that Arkansas never cheats in recruiting?

[DeltaBoy]

This was the question a radio station in Northwest Arkansas posed and Jeff Long responded....

"Makes me feel proud, when Hogs win we do so with honesty and integrity, we may not be perfect but doing things the right way is who we are"

My question is, how many teams actually cheat?  Realistically how many schools cheat?  My second question is why do we boast about doing the right thing? Yeah I think it's great we do things the right way, but I'm not a fan of us bragging about it to everyone that we do it the right way.  It should be an expectation, not something we hang our hat on. 

Do other schools brag about doing it the "right way"?  That is an honest question because I don't follow or keep up with other major schools as much as I do the hogs.  I love that we stay out of trouble... I'm not a fan that we brag about doing it the "right way"

It confirms we will never win a NC in college football.

[ErieHog]

Its not something that can be taken for granted.

Arkansas last left NCAA probation in 2005;  since then, the following FBS schools have been on probation:

Alabama (twice)
Arkansas State
Arizona State
Ball State
Baylor (twice)
Boisie State
Central Florida (twice)
Cincinnati
Colorado (twice)
Florida International (twice)
Florida State
Georgia Tech (three times)
Illinois
Kansas
LSU
Louisiana-Lafayette (twice)
Michigan
Mississippi State (twice)
Nebraska
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio State (three times)
Oklahoma
Penn State
South Carolina (twice)
Southern California
Tennessee
Texas State
Texas Tech
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
Georgia State
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Miami (FL)

Cases remain pending against Ole Miss and North Carolina football, plus as many as 16 other FBS institutions, though some of these may not be football related.

Cal, Marshal, and Utah also came off of probation the same year as we did the last time.

44 FBS Teams have never been on probation.     Duke, Iowa, Louisville,  Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Washington State,  Stanford, Missouri, and Purdue are the only P5 schools to have never been on probation.

So, in short, 37 of the current 129 FBS programs have been sanctioned since we have last been on probation.     Another 3 were last sanctioned on a similar time line, and two more are all but certain to be sanctioned.       Among the 'clean' programs in the interim included the Cam Era at Auburn.


We are, by most standards, a pretty clean program.

[theFlyingHog]

This was the question a radio station in Northwest Arkansas posed and Jeff Long responded....

"Makes me feel proud, when Hogs win we do so with honesty and integrity, we may not be perfect but doing things the right way is who we are"

My question is, how many teams actually cheat?  Realistically how many schools cheat?  My second question is why do we boast about doing the right thing? Yeah I think it's great we do things the right way, but I'm not a fan of us bragging about it to everyone that we do it the right way.  It should be an expectation, not something we hang our hat on. 

Do other schools brag about doing it the "right way"?  That is an honest question because I don't follow or keep up with other major schools as much as I do the hogs.  I love that we stay out of trouble... I'm not a fan that we brag about doing it the "right way"

You know, cheating would be a lot like having Bobby Petrino as our coach. We'd have fun and be good for a bit but there would be an odd feeling for some fans(those with morals). Then we'd get busted and it would suck, like when that moron got a handy on his bike and fell off

[hogsanity]

You know, cheating would be a lot like having Bobby Petrino as our coach. We'd have fun and be good for a bit but there would be an odd feeling for some fans(those with morals). Then we'd get busted and it would suck, like when that moron got a handy on his bike and fell off

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddddd..........we're off

[DeltaBoy]

As Al Davis said  "Just win Baby!"

[theFlyingHog]

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddddd..........we're off

[gchamblee]

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddddd..........we're off

lol

[gchamblee]

You know, cheating would be a lot like having Bobby Petrino as our coach. We'd have fun and be good for a bit but there would be an odd feeling for some fans(those with morals). Then we'd get busted and it would suck, like when that moron got a handy on his bike and fell off

[gchamblee]

As Al Davis said  "Just win Baby!"

Ya, Al Davis is not a good example of anything I can think of.

[jkstock04]

There was a guy who had an office on my floor several years ago, and he felt that way. He has spent the last 8 years in a federal pen.

I betcha he did a little more than even the playing field.

[ErieHog]

[RME]

Ya, Al Davis is not a good example of anything I can think of.

13 division championships
15 playoff appearances
One AFL championship
Three Super Bowls

[gchamblee]

13 division championships
15 playoff appearances
One AFL championship
Three Super Bowls

Team sucked for most of my adult years. He had to die before they could start getting good again. His ego was destructive to the franchise. Had a little success, and then had to live with the destruction from the arrogance he developed after having success. He is not an example of success, he is an example of how destructive success can be to a weak character.

[RME]

Team sucked for most of my adult years. He had to die before they could start getting good again. His ego was destructive to the franchise. Had a little success, and then had to live with the destruction from the arrogance he developed after having success. He is not an example of success, he is an example of how destructive success can be to a weak character.

First NFL owner to hire an African-American coach and female executive, and even "refused to let the Raiders travel for exhibition and all-star games in the South because the players would have had to stay, separately, in segregated hotels."

Yeah, he had some legal battles with the NFL brass, but the NFL brass has always sucked.

Sure his ego got in the way in his later years, but I'd say 3 Super Bowls and essentially breaking the coaching color barrier and the hiring the first female exec in the NFL is a pretty good move. Pretty good track record despite going to darn in his last few years.

[tusksincolorado]

You know, cheating would be a lot like having Bobby Petrino as our coach. We'd have fun and be good for a bit but there would be an odd feeling for some fans(those with morals). Then we'd get busted and it would suck, like when that moron got a handy on his bike and fell off

Don't forget...while taking a curve! Wonder if the lean was to the left or to the right?

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Well I bought season tickets again... so... Beat Auburn.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Doesn't matter, Arkansas can't cheat like ya'll talking about and get away with it.  We are one of many programs that the NCAA will slam and they proved that. 

We have to be happy with $100 handshakes and lift kits on cars, be careful with those suits guys make the players look paid for.

Cheating is not the answer for Arkansas, coaching is!

What's aggravating is time after time watching programs get penalized for cheating only to come out the other side as strong or stronger than before.  That pretty much tells you how concerned players and parents are about the subject.  They want wins and I can't point out a single instance were it hurt a players future career when his school got caught cheating.  Watch Baylor, unless the administration loses their desire to be a top program they will keep winning and players will go there because of that.

Another death penalty or two wouldn't hurt but the only teams the NCAA would do that to would be an Arkansas if we tried to cheat enough to win even the SEC.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

So, here's my take...when the names Auburn or Ole Miss or OSU come up, automatic disdain comes to me as they are known as sleazy cheating programs. And if I had to choose between being in that category of national disdain OR every year hoping the stars align with the players we've got to make a solid run. I'd choose the latter every time. I don't want the asterisk by a championship. I don't want the national perception of sleaziness.

I love our team and our boys. I believe we have the right coach who pushes hard work and staying 4 years.

[tusksincolorado]

Doesn't matter, Arkansas can't cheat like ya'll talking about and get away with it.  We are one of many programs that the NCAA will slam and they proved that. 

We have to be happy with $100 handshakes and lift kits on cars, be careful with those suits guys make the players look paid for.

Cheating is not the answer for Arkansas, coaching is!

What's aggravating is time after time watching programs get penalized for cheating only to come out the other side as strong or stronger than before.  That pretty much tells you how concerned players and parents are about the subject.  They want wins and I can't point out a single instance were it hurt a players future career when his school got caught cheating.  Watch Baylor, unless the administration loses their desire to be a top program they will keep winning and players will go there because of that.

Another death penalty or two wouldn't hurt but the only teams the NCAA would do that to would be an Arkansas if we tried to cheat enough to win even the SEC.

Death needs to visit Ole Miss, and Baylor, and North Carolina needs to be crippled to the edge of nonexistence.....then we could cheat for the ones that want too.

[TheJoeyBucketz]

I'm happy because I get 300-1 odds on us winning the natty. Those poor bama fans have to deal with 2.5-1 odds every year.

[ATU HOG]

I'm never going to condone us cheating or doing things the wrong way... however I'm not going to brag about us constantly doing things the right way, because it should be an expectation.

You get on social media these days and you see constant self-promoting.  Whatever happened to doing a good deed and not going to social media to tell everyone that you did a good deed.  I'm probably being too picky..

[ricepig]

I'm never going to condone us cheating or doing things the wrong way... however I'm not going to brag about us constantly doing things the right way, because it should be an expectation.

You get on social media these days and you see constant self-promoting.  Whatever happened to doing a good deed and not going to social media to tell everyone that you did a good deed.

Times have changed, in case you haven't noticed.

[ATU HOG]

Times have changed, in case you haven't noticed.

Haha I've noticed all too well.  Maybe it's the old man in me (26 years and counting)

[gchamblee]

I'm never going to condone us cheating or doing things the wrong way... however I'm not going to brag about us constantly doing things the right way, because it should be an expectation.

You get on social media these days and you see constant self-promoting.  Whatever happened to doing a good deed and not going to social media to tell everyone that you did a good deed.  I'm probably being too picky..

It pisses me off too when the people who are tasked with promoting our University have the audacity to say good things about us.

[Poker_hog]

Its not something that can be taken for granted.

Arkansas last left NCAA probation in 2005;  since then, the following FBS schools have been on probation:

Alabama (twice)
Arkansas State
Arizona State
Ball State
Baylor (twice)
Boisie State
Central Florida (twice)
Cincinnati
Colorado (twice)
Florida International (twice)
Florida State
Georgia Tech (three times)
Illinois
Kansas
LSU
Louisiana-Lafayette (twice)
Michigan
Mississippi State (twice)
Nebraska
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio State (three times)
Oklahoma
Penn State
South Carolina (twice)
Southern California
Tennessee
Texas State
Texas Tech
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
Georgia State
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Miami (FL)

Cases remain pending against Ole Miss and North Carolina football, plus as many as 16 other FBS institutions, though some of these may not be football related.

Cal, Marshal, and Utah also came off of probation the same year as we did the last time.

44 FBS Teams have never been on probation.     Duke, Iowa, Louisville,  Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Washington State,  Stanford, Missouri, and Purdue are the only P5 schools to have never been on probation.

So, in short, 37 of the current 129 FBS programs have been sanctioned since we have last been on probation.     Another 3 were last sanctioned on a similar time line, and two more are all but certain to be sanctioned.       Among the 'clean' programs in the interim included the Cam Era at Auburn.


We are, by most standards, a pretty clean program.

Interesting.  So since we last came off of probation 8 of the 12 national champions have been caught cheating.  Tells you all you need to know.

[hogfanny]

Makes me feel good when we win. When we lose  I feel like the other team must be cheatin.

[WilsonHog]

It's the aged old question.  Would you take a national championship for 2 years probation?

No.

[Inhogswetrust]

I'm happy because I get 300-1 odds on us winning the natty. Those poor bama fans have to deal with 2.5-1 odds every year.

Unfortunately with them winning NC's more often they will make money or at least break even and you will lose money. At least lately.

[gchamblee]

A question Ole Miss wishes could be asked of them.

[bphi11ips]

It's made me feel really good for about 40 years.  After today it makes me feel even better.

[LR_Matt]

Never is a strong word....

[The Hawg Marshal]

Never say never.

[moses_007]

I'd say we've had decades of following NCAA rules when it comes to recruiting.  Sure, some boosters have slipped money to some of our players, but a coach or program can't control all of that.

Throughout my life, I've never seen Arkansas commit the kind of violations that is facing Ole Miss right now.  It just hasn't happened. 

[The Hawg Marshal]

I'd say we've had decades of following NCAA rules when it comes to recruiting.  Sure, some boosters have slipped money to some of our players, but a coach or program can't control all of that.

Throughout my life, I've never seen Arkansas commit the kind of violations that is facing Ole Miss right now.  It just hasn't happened. 

There was an article that I read somewhere many years ago that said otherwise. In that article a recruit( don't remember which one) said that Hatfield and a couple of boosters came to his house and put money down on the table for him to come to Arkansas. The thing that stuck out to me in the article was he said the other guys there seemed to be very comfortable with the situation but that Hatfield just sat there bug eyed like he was scared to death. I wish I could remember more details but it was either during Hatfield's tenure or shortly there after.

[Steef]

No.

[ricepig]

Never say never.

Correct

[Snortingred1]

There was an article that I read somewhere many years ago that said otherwise. In that article a recruit( don't remember which one) said that Hatfield and a couple of boosters came to his house and put money down on the table for him to come to Arkansas. The thing that stuck out to me in the article was he said the other guys there seemed to be very comfortable with the situation but that Hatfield just sat there bug eyed like he was scared to death. I wish I could remember more details but it was either during Hatfield's tenure or shortly there after.

Regardless of whether this is true or not, it's still a far cry from your coach buying hookers for you. 

[Laughing Hog]

Play the game. If cheat'n is happening everywhere (which it is) then you better be good at cheat'n. Don't think that the Gumps aren't cheat'n their ass off. They, along with many others, are pretty damn good at it. The entire 'recruiting' system has gone to hell in a hand 'bagman'.

[oldhawg]

Got to say that right now its feels pretty good to me that Arkansas is not involved in wholesale cheating.  As a fan, I would hate to be going through what Ole Miss fans are going through today.

[The Hawg Marshal]

Regardless of whether this is true or not, it's still a far cry from your coach buying hookers for you. 

The article existed, that i can promise you. Now whether it's content was accurate and true , I have no way of knowing. My post wasn't in response to anything to do with buying hookers, it was in response to claims that we never have cheated. I for one hope we do things the right way, I'm just not naive enough to say we have always been totally clean . WPS

[Cinco de Hogo]

Apparently ya'll don't see the irony in the Ole Miss situation and Arkansas claims of integrity.  I like integrity but I also like it to be real.   Too many times it comes crashing down because humans aren't perfect and the world LOVES to tear those type claims asunder.  Be very very careful what you wish for, your depending on another human to fulfill YOUR wishes.

[hogsanity]

Everytime I turn on ESPN or other media and see something like is going on at old misses, I am glad that the UofA appears to at least be trying to do things the right way. Is it a smoke screen? Are there rouge boosters doing things outside the rules and outside the view of the admin? Who knows. You can bet, if they are, it will eventually be found out

[Sweet Feet]

Arkansas is probably guilty in other categories, which is why they seem snakebit. But cheating in recruiting i dont feel is one

[theFlyingHog]

Everytime I turn on ESPN or other media and see something like is going on at old misses, I am glad that the UofA appears to at least be trying to do things the right way. Is it a smoke screen? Are there rouge boosters doing things outside the rules and outside the view of the admin? Who knows. You can bet, if they are, it will eventually be found out

If we are cheating then I want my money back because we suck at it.





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[Hogs-n-Roses]

I used to use the old " but Lil Johnny" did it as a reason why I did something wrong and got caught. He(DAD) would always come back with " If Lil Johnny went out to the yard and took a bite of some Dog Poo, would you?" " Son, Lil Johnny is an idiot and you don't want to be associated with doing things he does. But Dad he's the most popular kid, best athlete, has the prettiest girlfriend..... Well whatever, your grounded for 2 weeks.

No I wouldn't trade 2 yrs. probation for a natty. I am a bit confused by those giving the natty's though. How can the NCAA,SEC,OLE MISS all investigate this thing and Hooties lawyer get the goods in a couple of hours online?

Why does ALABAMA n tOSU get slaps on the wrist and others get the slammer.Our league(SEC)  may pay well but they sure seem dirty to me.Starts a whole other discussion bout cheating in recruiting doesn't it?

[hogsanity]

I used to use the old " but Lil Johnny" did it as a reason why I did something wrong and got caught. He(DAD) would always come back with " If Lil Johnny went out to the yard and took a bite of some Dog Poo, would you?" " Son, Lil Johnny is an idiot and you don't want to be associated with doing things he does. But Dad he's the most popular kid, best athlete, has the prettiest girlfriend..... Well whatever, your grounded for 2 weeks.

No I wouldn't trade 2 yrs. probation for a natty. I am a bit confused by those giving the natty's though. How can the NCAA,SEC,OLE MISS all investigate this thing and Hooties lawyer get the goods in a couple of hours online?

Why does ALABAMA n tOSU get slaps on the wrist and others get the slammer.Our league(SEC)  may pay well but they sure seem dirty to me.Starts a whole other discussion bout cheating in recruiting doesn't it?

It also shows the hypocrisy of the schools. Old Misses is going to get hammered by the NCAA for all the recruiting stuff that went on under Hugh's watch, yet they were not going to fire him for that. But, find out he was using a school phone to call up escorts, well you tell him he will be fired with cause and get no buyout, or he can resign and get no buyout.

In other words, if you were cheating, or letting coaches and boosters cheat to try to win games the school is cool with that, but cheat on your wife and use school property to do so, you are out ASAP.

[jgphillips3]

It also shows the hypocrisy of the schools. Old Misses is going to get hammered by the NCAA for all the recruiting stuff that went on under Hugh's watch, yet they were not going to fire him for that. But, find out he was using a school phone to call up escorts, well you tell him he will be fired with cause and get no buyout, or he can resign and get no buyout.

In other words, if you were cheating, or letting coaches and boosters cheat to try to win games the school is cool with that, but cheat on your wife and use school property to do so, you are out ASAP.

That is grand isn't it.

[Hogs-n-Roses]

It also shows the hypocrisy of the schools. Old Misses is going to get hammered by the NCAA for all the recruiting stuff that went on under Hugh's watch, yet they were not going to fire him for that. But, find out he was using a school phone to call up escorts, well you tell him he will be fired with cause and get no buyout, or he can resign and get no buyout.

In other words, if you were cheating, or letting coaches and boosters cheat to try to win games the school is cool with that, but cheat on your wife and use school property to do so, you are out ASAP.

The moral issue is the most important issue. But I am more concerned with the letting of certain schools continue on as they always have. Alabama's MO has always been. Win Nattys at whatever cost. This is a recruiting etiquette thread so lets be honest. Bama,tOSU,USC.... cheat on the recruiting trail all the time, win their National championships, get caught, take their probations, start back up agin, wash , rinse, repeat.

Now the Moral's end of it. Auburn ,Ole Miss,USC,BAMA,Texas(ones I've read about before) have all done the "fixing up of recruits" with questionable "dates" for the weekend  . We the fanbases, all know its going on. Ask the recruits parents and they ll tell you something like,"We were approached by Texas as to whether their son would be available for socializing and needing a nice sorority gal to go with them. Some parents may be unaware but most are and its a different deal altogether when said recruit goes alone on the visit. I used Texas cause I personally know of a former recruit or recruits who took visits there and this is how they (Texas) approached them on the issue. Lets get away from turning a blind eye to Hookers NCAA and dare we even bring up Penn State.

[hobhog]

There was an article that I read somewhere many years ago that said otherwise. In that article a recruit( don't remember which one) said that Hatfield and a couple of boosters came to his house and put money down on the table for him to come to Arkansas. The thing that stuck out to me in the article was he said the other guys there seemed to be very comfortable with the situation but that Hatfield just sat there bug eyed like he was scared to death. I wish I could remember more details but it was either during Hatfield's tenure or shortly there after.

An article many years ago, cant remember where it came from, or the recruit's name, but other than that spot on.........

[311Hog]

as a fan, and an alum yes i feel good that Arkansas is a clean program and a clean school as much as you can be because no one and nothing is perfect.

To me NWA and the UofA are an oasis, and i love it that way.