Some Folks (or schools) Never Learn....Baylor At It Again!

[Inhogswetrust]

Programs like Ole Miss and Baylor seem to be the type of programs the NCAA can go after and make examples out of, and show everyone they still have some teeth to do something. Of course their standards are selective, because they let the kind of crap programs like bama and auburn go by without a word being said. There won't be a death penalty I don't think, but there's going to be some pretty serious sanctions I would guess.

Bama has been on probation several times. It's simply easier for someone like them to recover quicker.

[goodguytex]

Bama has been on probation several times. It's simply easier for someone like them to recover quicker.

They've been slapped on the wrist lightly compared to what they have deserved.

[Vantage 8 dude]

They've been slapped on the wrist lightly compared to what they have deserved.

I believe both you and "Inhogswetrust" are correct to a great extent. While it's true that the Tide has been slapped with probation in the past, to a great degree because of their tradition and location it does seem they're able to recover more quickly.

[hawganatic]

Of course their standards are selective, because they let the kind of crap programs like bama and auburn go by without a word being said.

So you ever think that maybe Bama and Auburn are a lot better at the cheating game than Ole Miss?  Or are you just going to huddle next to a conspiracy theory and not give it anymore thought?

[mweston]

So you ever think that maybe Bama and Auburn are a lot better at the cheating game than Ole Miss?  Or are you just going to huddle next to a conspiracy theory and not give it anymore thought?

They are  probably have more people that know the RIGHT people that can pull strings for them.

[goodguytex]

So you ever think that maybe Bama and Auburn are a lot better at the cheating game than Ole Miss?  Or are you just going to huddle next to a conspiracy theory and not give it anymore thought?

I'm not big on conspiracy theories. But I do know bama and auburn have engaged in a lot of pay for play activities over the years that they've gotten away with.

[Vantage 8 dude]

I'm not big on conspiracy theories. But I do know bama and auburn have engaged in a lot of pay for play activities over the years that they've gotten away with.

Certainly seems they've had more than their far share alright.

[PorkSoda]

They are  probably have more people that know the RIGHT people that can pull strings for them.

yeah, there was a court case a while back about teachers changing grades to make bama recruits eligible, with someone quoted saying that if saban wants a player he will be eligible.  teachers got fired, but nothing happened to bama. 

bama has enough people in the right places to make sure nothing sticks to them.


if that happened in arkansas, our media would blow it up instead of making sure it gets lost in the court archives.

[goodguytex]

yeah, there was a court case a while back about teachers changing grades to make bama recruits eligible, with someone quoted saying that if saban wants a player he will be eligible.  teachers got fired, but nothing happened to bama. 

bama has enough people in the right places to make sure nothing sticks to them.


if that happened in arkansas, our media would blow it up instead of making sure it gets lost in the court archives.

Of course it would. There's been all kinds of crap going on behind the scenes at Alabama and auburn that's been ignored or swept under the rug and will continue to.

[Michael D Huff AIA]

The NCAA has to know that the general public thinks little of their ability to govern college sports.  Their track record of overreaction to small violations and little to no reaction for large ones has done little to give the public confidence that they will judge fairly or correctly the next time an infraction takes place. 

In the case of Baylor, I really do wish that the crimes here were about money.  I wish that they were backing Brinks trucks up to the athletic dorms and shoveling Ben Franklins into the player's rooms.  I wish that the school had a payroll system like SMU did back in the day, and that payroll was found on baylorpaysplayers.com.  Those would be such better infractions than the installing of a rape culture that was protected by the head coach and administration. 

If there has been an instance where a school deserved the death penalty since SMU, this is it.  Maybe Miami back in the day with that Nevin Shapiro dude, but certainly Baylor in 2017.  This is a low hanging fruit that would be a great opportunity for the NCAA to show that they can act decisively and swing the hammer when necessary.  I hate it for all of the athletes that weren't involved, but they can transfer without penalty.  The crime was perpetrated by the school, not the players. 

[Vantage 8 dude]

The NCAA has to know that the general public thinks little of their ability to govern college sports.  Their track record of overreaction to small violations and little to no reaction for large ones has done little to give the public confidence that they will judge fairly or correctly the next time an infraction takes place. 

In the case of Baylor, I really do wish that the crimes here were about money.  I wish that they were backing Brinks trucks up to the athletic dorms and shoveling Ben Franklins into the player's rooms.  I wish that the school had a payroll system like SMU did back in the day, and that payroll was found on baylorpaysplayers.com.  Those would be such better infractions than the installing of a rape culture that was protected by the head coach and administration. 

If there has been an instance where a school deserved the death penalty since SMU, this is it.  Maybe Miami back in the day with that Nevin Shapiro dude, but certainly Baylor in 2017.  This is a low hanging fruit that would be a great opportunity for the NCAA to show that they can act decisively and swing the hammer when necessary.  I hate it for all of the athletes that weren't involved, but they can transfer without penalty.  The crime was perpetrated by the school, not the players.

While I agree that there are a number of innocent players who weren't in any way involved in this whole sorted mess, are you saying that (past) PLAYERS weren't involved in the actual crimes Who do you think actually perpetrated the actual assaults. Uhh.....think you need to go back and reexamine your comments in that respect. And yes, I DO recognize that the school's administration and former coaching staff enabled the guilty to not only get away with the bad behavior, but actively helped cover it up. Plenty of stinky garbage to go around down in Wacko.

[NaturalStateReb]

SIAP Apparently the folks at Baylor STILL don't get it.....or some people just never learn. It was announced today that a second member of the Baylor football program has been terminated for unacceptable personal behavior. Assistant Director For Football DeMarkco Butler, hired February 15th, was fired due to what has been described as having been engaged in "inappropriate text messaging" with a teenager (although under Texas law the teen was considered an adult). 

You may recall that earlier this year Strength Coach Brandon Washington was also terminated. He had been charged by police with being involved in a Waco-area prostitution ring.

Was just in Waco last week.  It seems like it would be a very easy town to be a Baptist in.  There's nothing there.

[goodguytex]

Was just in Waco last week.  It seems like it would be a very easy town to be a Baptist in.  There's nothing there.

Well there's an interstate..

[Vantage 8 dude]

Well there's an interstate..

Best feature is that it allows anyone to get the heck out of town FASTER!!

[tusksincolorado]

Was just in Waco last week.  It seems like it would be a very easy town to be a Baptist in.  There's nothing there.

Isn't there a Rudy's BBQ/Gas station in Waco!?

[longtimeHogfan]

So you ever think that maybe Bama and Auburn are a lot better at the cheating game than Ole Miss?

I may be naive but I don't think Bama has to cheat.  Not during the Saban era.  His recruiting speech is pretty much down pat...."Son, do you want to play for the best....be at the top of the pyramid with others of your talent level looking down....contending for a national championship every year....or playing for an also-ran trying to become bowl eligible and being the only big fish in a little pond?"    Sign here.....   

[PorkSoda]

I may be naive but I don't think Bama has to cheat.  Not during the Saban era.  His recruiting speech is pretty much down pat...."Son, do you want to play for the best....be at the top of the pyramid with others of your talent level looking down....contending for a national championship every year....or playing for an also-ran trying to become bowl eligible and being the only big fish in a little pond?"    Sign here.....   

do they have to cheat? no.  do they cheat? probably.  Saban likely doesnt do anything personally, but people connected to the program do it for him.  From boosters greasing palms, to teachers ensuring kids are eligible.  there is plenty of that going on.