O-VER-RATE-ED...

[hogfan_no1]

Not sure why Notre Dame isn't on this list.

http://thebiglead.com/2016/07/21/ranking-the-most-overrated-college-football-programs-of-last-decade/

Only 43 more days until kickoff!!!

[bigdaddyhawg]

I like the way they did this -- didn't just pull stuff out of his rear, but based his poll on some numbers.

[East TN HAWG]

Good article.  I expected Texas to be number one.  I'm surprised they weren't.

[Hog Waller]

It is a good article, but I agree with the OP...How is ND not on the list?  With the exception of maybe a couple of years, it has amazed me how ND starts the season hyped up and in the Top 10, only to fizzle early with a couple of really bad losses.  I would argue that LSU should not be on the list, rather ND should replace them.

[hogsanity]

People still get caught up in the mystique of ND. We just got back from a visit there with my son, who is looking at colleges, and it is really hard once you are there to separate the reality of today from all the things you have heard and know about ND. All the famous alums, the huge games in the stadium, Touchdown Jesus, etc. They did not even do more than mention the football team, explaining how student tickets work for football, and yet even that was exciting. And the stadium is right there, not more than a 10 minute walk from anywhere on campus. Didn't hurt either that at 2pm on July 19th it was only about 82 degrees either. 

[ricepig]

People still get caught up in the mystique of ND. We just got back from a visit there with my son, who is looking at colleges, and it is really hard once you are there to separate the reality of today from all the things you have heard and know about ND. All the famous alums, the huge games in the stadium, Touchdown Jesus, etc. They did not even do more than mention the football team, explaining how student tickets work for football, and yet even that was exciting. And the stadium is right there, not more than a 10 minute walk from anywhere on campus. Didn't hurt either that at 2pm on July 19th it was only about 82 degrees either. 

Go up to there in January or Feb,  when you are actually in class, haha.

[hogsanity]

Go up to there in January or Feb,  when you are actually in class, haha.

Oh they mentioned the winters 2 or 3 times. The 1st picture we saw in the room where they did the presentation was of the campus covered in what looked like about 2 feet of snow.

[razoredge178]

Southern Cal could've been on that list.

[hogfan_no1]

Southern Cal could've been on that list.

Actually, Southern Cal is on the list.  Came in at #2, right behind #1 Georgia as the most overrated team in college football.

[hogsanity]

A lot of the overrated issue comes from doing preseason rankings at all. How do you rank teams before anyone has played or before practices even start? Only way to do it really is on past season performance, and what type of players are on the team. The teams mentioned, more often than not, have good to great seasons the year prior, plus many of them have highly rated recruiting classes year after year, so it is easy to rank them highly before anyone plays.

Wonder how different the list would have been if teams were not rated until October 1st?

[bphi11ips]

Southern Cal could've been on that list.

They were number two.

Would be interesting to see the reverse analysis.  Which teams most exceeded expectations.  2010 would help the Razorbacks.  Maybe other years.  Conference finishes versus preseason prognostications may be a good way to approach the question.

[Atlhogfan1]

Good to see it quantified in some way.  A decade goes by fast.  Probably why some of these brands held such esteem with pollsters still. 

IMO, VT has been the biggest overrated fraud in college football since the Vick season.  But this realization has started to creep in over recent years and it is probably why they manage to only be 10th in this list over the last decade.

When VY won Texas the NC, this made UGa the biggest underachievers in college football. 

Nebraska is the biggest has been program on the list.  With their brand faded, not sure what could put them back where they once were.

[bigdaddyhawg]

It is a good article, but I agree with the OP...How is ND not on the list?  With the exception of maybe a couple of years, it has amazed me how ND starts the season hyped up and in the Top 10, only to fizzle early with a couple of really bad losses.  I would argue that LSU should not be on the list, rather ND should replace them.

The list is not subjective, it's objective.  They compared where they were predicted to finish to how they finished and came up with a composite number.

Does that help?

[go hogues]

Seems like Auburn and Texas always start the season in the top 25. Both have been overrated more than not over the last 15 years or so.

[PorkSoda]

It is a good article, but I agree with the OP...How is ND not on the list?  With the exception of maybe a couple of years, it has amazed me how ND starts the season hyped up and in the Top 10, only to fizzle early with a couple of really bad losses.  I would argue that LSU should not be on the list, rather ND should replace them.

probably because they are so consistently over hyped they are still ranked after losing.

[Razorbacker79]

They were number two.

Would be interesting to see the reverse analysis.  Which teams most exceeded expectations.  2010 would help the Razorbacks.  Maybe other years.  Conference finishes versus preseason prognostications may be a good way to approach the question.

http://thebiglead.com/2016/07/22/ranking-the-most-underrated-college-football-programs-of-last-decade/

But they stuck with comparing national preseason rankings with postseason results.  I don't think the two good years under BP were enough.  As impressive as the improvement in conference record was in 2015 for us, it's still not what they were looking at, and it was one season.  But I agree with what you've been posting--I think this year we'll be way under-rated and I hope it begins a more impressive upward trend--just got to win those OOC games.

[HogMantheIntruder]

A lot of the overrated issue comes from doing preseason rankings at all. How do you rank teams before anyone has played or before practices even start? Only way to do it really is on past season performance, and what type of players are on the team. The teams mentioned, more often than not, have good to great seasons the year prior, plus many of them have highly rated recruiting classes year after year, so it is easy to rank them highly before anyone plays.

Wonder how different the list would have been if teams were not rated until October 1st?

That about sums it up.

[Laughing Hog]

Surely, Notre Dame must have it's own article about being THE MOST O-VER-RATED team of the last 40 years.
It's the only explanation for them not being at the top of this list! It's one of the main reasons I hate them almost as much as I hate the whorns.

[Inhogswetrust]

People still get caught up in the mystique of ND. We just got back from a visit there with my son, who is looking at colleges, and it is really hard once you are there to separate the reality of today from all the things you have heard and know about ND. All the famous alums, the huge games in the stadium, Touchdown Jesus, etc. They did not even do more than mention the football team, explaining how student tickets work for football, and yet even that was exciting. And the stadium is right there, not more than a 10 minute walk from anywhere on campus. Didn't hurt either that at 2pm on July 19th it was only about 82 degrees either. 

Of course they failed to mention the constant below freezing weather and large amounts of frozen precipitation for three straight months while your son would have to walk to class, etc.

[nationwish]

Of course they failed to mention the constant below freezing weather and large amounts of frozen precipitation for three straight months while your son would have to walk to class, etc.

Three months? I go to South Bend for a week every spring for a client, and it snows well into April. I think this year the weather here in Tulsa was maybe in the 70s and there it snowed every day, with Friday being the worst.

[pigture perfect]

Surely, Notre Dame must have it's own article about being THE MOST O-VER-RATED team of the last 40 years.
It's the only explanation for them not being at the top of this list! It's one of the main reasons I hate them almost as much as I hate the whorns.

you and I agree. Summed up well.

[Arazorbackguy1]

Richt will turn around that Miami program.

[HiggiePiggy]

Richt will turn around that Miami program.

Maybe. If he stays awhile and stops choking in big games. 

[jacobp]

Of course they failed to mention the constant below freezing weather and large amounts of frozen precipitation for three straight months while your son would have to walk to class, etc.

Yeah Jan-March can be pretty tough. But they do a FANTASTIC Job up here of clearing the roads and sidewalks

[Lake City Hog]

If I told you that we could have a coach that would give us an average of 9.6 wins per year for 15 straight years and win or tie for the division championship 6 times during that span, what would you say?
Now, please remember that during that 15 years our conference won 9 National Championships. So this guy might not ever win an NC, but he would challenge for 1 every 4 to 6 years.

Sorry, but I would take a coach like that in a heartbeat.

[onebadrubi]

If I told you that we could have a coach that would give us an average of 9.6 wins per year for 15 straight years and win or tie for the division championship 6 times during that span, what would you say?
Now, please remember that during that 15 years our conference won 9 National Championships. So this guy might not ever win an NC, but he would challenge for 1 every 4 to 6 years.

Sorry, but I would take a coach like that in a heartbeat.

Peoples complaint though were he never could win the big game. 

[HiggiePiggy]

Peoples complaint though were he never could win the big game. 

Not totally true. Peoples complaints were also that he had some of the top classes every single year and losing to teams he shouldn't lose to. 

If my school was bringing in top 5 and top 10 classes every single year and still couldn't win the sec when Alabama and lsu are both down then yes he should be gone.  Both Tennessee and Florida have not been very good the last few years and instead of winning the east he was losing it to south carolina and Missouri.  Seriously. The guy is a good guy, great recruiter, but an slightly above average coach. 

If my coach was averaging that type of success AT Arkansas then heck yeah I would love that.  He was at Georgia though where recruiting is a lot easier than it is at Arkansas.