Anyone think there will be alegislative move to force a Razorback vs ASU game?

[sigpooie]

Actually, ASU should play all their games on the road and out of state.  That way they can bring back all that out-of-state money instead of redistributing money already in the state.

Money spent for a purpose is not wasted or redistributed it is sent to the bank accounts of  groups here in ARK on AL MO or TN.. Why am a wasting this answer on your post since you really don't have a clue as to how that would work based on the quote here. I don't think you really know enough to get into this discussion since your tribe could not even get a casino.

[Inhogswetrust]

I guess I wasted the Boston College degree and 20 years advising banks and fortune 500s UH. People like you keep this state looking like a trailer park.. If you know so little about cash flow in the system why would you even take a chance posting this.. People who use the words like you choose usually don't really know what they are speaking about. So stop wasting area on the blog.

Today being an adviser to banks and Fortune 500 companies is nothing to brag about.

[Inhogswetrust]

Mike Beebe told me, to my face, that he would not make any kind of legislative push for an Arkansas/ASU game, though he would like to see one.

That means Beebe is a smart politician.

[sigpooie]

Today being an adviser to banks and Fortune 500 companies is nothing to brag about.

It is if the banks and companies I advised are still open and profitable. Let's see Timex, Toysrus, Sanwa bank, Wells Fargo just to name a few I worked with seem to be in good condition today. And who said I was bragging, I simple wanted to point out that I know more about how the economics work than this guy was giving me credit for.

[HoggyCat]

What's The Den?

Their hilarious message board, formerly known as The Burial....err Tribal Grounds.

[Choctaw Hog]

Money spent for a purpose is not wasted or redistributed it is sent to the bank accounts of  groups here in ARK on AL MO or TN.. Why am a wasting this answer on your post since you really don't have a clue as to how that would work based on the quote here. I don't think you really know enough to get into this discussion since your tribe could not even get a casino.

So, moving money from one fan base and University in the same state to another isn't redistribution?  Apparently you have no clue about what you write.  In that situation there is no net gain of money coming into the state. 

However, if ASU were to "export" their goods (i.e. their football team) to another state like Georgia, the income they would receive for being Georgia's sacrificial lamb would be new money coming back into the state.  Get it?  It's called exporting. 

And I'm not sure what your casino reference means since I have no Choctaw blood in me.  But, that's just further illustrates your ignorance about things you post.  And, for the record Choctaw Hog is derived from my high school (Choctaw, OK) and Hog (U of A graduate).

 

[sigpooie]

how can  you not see the flaw in your statement.. when you point out that ga is sending money here.
math  1 dollar to ga would not be spent here. 1 dollar here would be spent here.
If the schools play the income goes where, here and is spent here instead of there. Why also would you not want another serious d1 school here. So jonesboro looks like crap for a 100 more years. The schools should play it's easy to see why when you care about the whole state instead of your little area of it. UAPB could use the funds as well as UCA or asu so why not support the other areas of this state?
I will not answer any more on this post since it's a waste of information but I will say that I am calling for the game and now am going to call all concerned since you and others are so against it. Thank you for putting a fire in me.

[GuvHog]

I said most. Your perspective is not one of the bad ones. The people that absolutely loathe ASU and actively cheer against them are the ones that are just being stupid.

Good point. Thanks for the compliment.

[Sivad]

Mike Beebe told me, to my face, that he would not make any kind of legislative push for an Arkansas/ASU game, though he would like to see one.

That is his "public" position.
Privately he will push his legislature to force the game, people who want from him know what he wants.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

but I will say that I am calling for the game and now am going to call all concerned since you and others are so against it. Thank you for putting a fire in me.

Good luck in your endeavor. I admire your determination for your cause. But it reminds me of a buddy of mine who got mad because the local McDonalds had screwed up his order. He decided to boycott McDonalds for the rest of his life. I have yet to see a single McD's sign changed to read "Over a Billion (minus 1) served".

[Fayettechill14]

That is his "public" position.
Privately he will push his legislature to force the game, people who want from him know what he wants.

I know you're grasping for reasons to hate our governor due simply to the fact that he is an ASU grad, but he absolutely no desire whatsoever to force a game between Arkansas and ASU. I bet you don't like his politics simply because he's an ASU alum.

[NEastArkie]

I guess I wasted the Boston College degree and 20 years advising banks and fortune 500s UH. People like you keep this state looking like a trailer park.. If you know so little about cash flow in the system why would you even take a chance posting this.. People who use the words like you choose usually don't really know what they are speaking about. So stop wasting area on the blog.
And as for your second statement, gezz I am just looking at my screen shaking my head thinking you fit what my grandmother use to say, "bless his heart he just doesn't know any better" Oh and I don't see any percentages in my statements,, I just see dollar amounts that were paid to other schools not in this state. (so you should under stand this) if you have 1 dollar in the bank here in ark and you send a quarter to MO then you only have .75 in the bank here. I hope this helps you and the others that don't understand what we mean when we say Keep the money here.

I agree with one thing you said. If you think "keeping the money in state" makes sense in light of how much money ASU brings in by playing out of state schools and you think the respective size of the schools' budgets has anything to do with the issue, yeah, you're right, you wasted the degree at Boston College.  Well, more accurately, Boston College wasted its degree on you.  Lord help the banks you supposedly advised.

[NEastArkie]

how can  you not see the flaw in your statement.. when you point out that ga is sending money here.
math  1 dollar to ga would not be spent here. 1 dollar here would be spent here.
If the schools play the income goes where, here and is spent here instead of there. Why also would you not want another serious d1 school here. So jonesboro looks like crap for a 100 more years. The schools should play it's easy to see why when you care about the whole state instead of your little area of it. UAPB could use the funds as well as UCA or asu so why not support the other areas of this state?
I will not answer any more on this post since it's a waste of information but I will say that I am calling for the game and now am going to call all concerned since you and others are so against it. Thank you for putting a fire in me.

Could someone translate this into English so we can know if it needs a response?

[Sivad]

I know you're grasping for reasons to hate our governor due simply to the fact that he is an ASU grad, but he absolutely no desire whatsoever to force a game between Arkansas and ASU. I bet you don't like his politics simply because he's an ASU alum.

You are certainly no mindreader. I actually like the Governor a lot, support him and think he's done a fine job leading the state. But I also know his desires about "The Game" as they call it, understand the influence and power he controls and fear what new and devlish plans are being formed to pursue it in his last term.

[Fayettechill14]

You are certainly no mindreader. I actually like the Governor a lot, support him and think he's done a fine job leading the state. But I also know his desires about "The Game" as they call it, understand the influence and power he controls and fear what new and devlish plans are being formed to pursue it in his last term.

"They" being the paranoid Arkansas fans, no doubt.

ASU has never been, is not, and never will be in a position of leverage, political or otherwise, to "force" a game between the two of us. Gus Malzahn could be the governor and they would not even have the political strength to even bring it up. It will not happen as long as Arkansas doesn't want it to.

[Choctaw Hog]

how can  you not see the flaw in your statement.. when you point out that ga is sending money here.
math  1 dollar to ga would not be spent here. 1 dollar here would be spent here.
If the schools play the income goes where, here and is spent here instead of there. Why also would you not want another serious d1 school here. So jonesboro looks like crap for a 100 more years. The schools should play it's easy to see why when you care about the whole state instead of your little area of it. UAPB could use the funds as well as UCA or asu so why not support the other areas of this state?
I will not answer any more on this post since it's a waste of information but I will say that I am calling for the game and now am going to call all concerned since you and others are so against it. Thank you for putting a fire in me.

So, why not just have an all Arkansas Conference and keep all the money in the state to redistribute?  College Athletics is not some liberal welfare program and The University of Arkansas is not in business to prop up ASU just like ASU isn't in business to prop up UCA, Southern Arkansas, UAPB, and others.

I once pulled for ASU when they played but no more. The constant bitching and whining from Red Wolf Indian Fans about playing the Hogs has changed that.  I now hope ASU loses every game they play and it would be funny if ASU had to drop their football program altogether because they are trying to play "big boy" football.     

[Hogfaniam]

this whole thing brings a question to mind.

How are conference games funded?  when we play away, does the home team pay, does the conference or do we pay our own way?

[M L (bassplayer)]

Just wondering... Don't want it. I think many elected officials would lose their jobs over it.

bs

[ark30inf]

  I now hope ASU loses every game they play and it would be funny if ASU had to drop their football program altogether because they are trying to play "big boy" football.     

One of the main reasons for not playing is to avoid "dividing the state".  But then you say stuff like this and alienate people like me who are fans of both programs.  The majority.

[Theolesnort]

When Arkansas State becomes relevant as a program, maybe but that is a long way off.

[Inhogswetrust]

how can  you not see the flaw in your statement.. when you point out that ga is sending money here.
math  1 dollar to ga would not be spent here. 1 dollar here would be spent here.
If the schools play the income goes where, here and is spent here instead of there. Why also would you not want another serious d1 school here. So jonesboro looks like crap for a 100 more years. The schools should play it's easy to see why when you care about the whole state instead of your little area of it. UAPB could use the funds as well as UCA or asu so why not support the other areas of this state?
I will not answer any more on this post since it's a waste of information but I will say that I am calling for the game and now am going to call all concerned since you and others are so against it. Thank you for putting a fire in me.

My advise is to pull all your money out of any bank or financial institution sig has consulted for.
If this post, like some of his others, are an indication of the consulting industry for banks and financial institutions then no wonder the economy got into such a mess.

[Inhogswetrust]

Ark will play ASU before you or I die. And in 30 years they might be ready to join the sec.

Bank consultants should not do crack............................

[MountieDawg]

Governor Beebe could do it, he is out of terms!

[Choctaw Hog]

One of the main reasons for not playing is to avoid "dividing the state".  But then you say stuff like this and alienate people like me who are fans of both programs.  The majority.

Exactly how did I alienate you and people like you because your stance doesn't alienate me?  I couldn't care less if you are fans of both programs because it has no impact on me at all. 

And for the record the majority of Razorback Fans, as you claim, are not ASU fans. If they were ASU would average more per game than they do.   

[Justifiable Hogicide]

Governor Beebe could do it, he is out of terms!

Oh, it's coming, let's just hope the legislature is not THAT stupid.

[ark30inf]

Exactly how did I alienate you and people like you because your stance doesn't alienate me?  I couldn't care less if you are fans of both programs because it has no impact on me at all. 

And for the record the majority of Razorback Fans, as you claim, are not ASU fans. If they were ASU would average more per game than they do.   

The majority of UA fans don't think much about ASU unless they beat someone big, win the conference, or go to a bowl or something.  But when they do they are supportive.

The majority of ASU fans watch the Razorbacks on television and root for them and may attend a game here and there.

There are a minority who wish each other ill.

[RAF]

The majority of UA fans don't think much about ASU unless they beat someone big, win the conference, or go to a bowl or something.  But when they do they are supportive.

I don't think reality reflects this.  There are some who feel this way, but they're a minority, just as those who wish ASU ill are a minority.  I'd say most UA fans are ambivalent about ASU's successes, much like how, say, Ohio State fans feel about Akron, or UVA fans feel about William and Mary.

[ark30inf]

I don't think reality reflects this.  There are some who feel this way, but they're a minority, just as those who wish ASU ill are a minority.  I'd say most UA fans are ambivalent about ASU's successes, much like how, say, Ohio State fans feel about Akron, or UVA fans feel about William and Mary.

My real point was about slamming northeast Arkansas or Jonesboro being counterproductive in the "dividing the state" context.  There are a lot of UA fans in those places that alienates. 

But on the matter of UA fans in general....

My personal experience (in central Arkansas) has been that UA fans have been supportive when we have some success....and the owner of this message board sent a gracious message this year on our bowl invite. 

They are not ASU fans and nobody expects them to be, they are just being classy.  That is just my personal experience and mileage may differ.

[Wild Bill Hog]

It is if the banks and companies I advised are still open and profitable. Let's see Timex, Toysrus, Sanwa bank, Wells Fargo just to name a few I worked with seem to be in good condition today. And who said I was bragging, I simple wanted to point out that I know more about how the economics work than this guy was giving me credit for.

Here's you an economics lesson to keep - if asu isn't able to pay their own way, it's not up to The University to make donations to their charity athletic program.  Quit whining and trying to "justify" a game that you haven't earned.

[gostAte]

Here's you an economics lesson to keep - if asu isn't able to pay their own way, it's not up to The University to make donations to their charity athletic program.  Quit whining and trying to "justify" a game that you haven't earned.

That is something I hope ASU never earns. Some of you guys have vastly over valued a game with ASU.

I have yet to find an example of one game making or breaking a football program.

[Fayettechill14]

Oh, it's coming, let's just hope the legislature is not THAT stupid.

If Mike Beebe introduces such a bill I will delete my Hogville account. I told you already, he told me to my face that he wouldn't do it, and I believe him over you. You nutcases think he has all kinds of secret loyalties, under the table deals, and conspiracies with Arab terrorists to sabotage the new practice facility. I promise you that the only legitimate concern about this issue has its formation right here on this board, the home of the most paranoid fanbase in college athletics.

[Sivad]

If Mike Beebe introduces such a bill I will delete my Hogville account. I told you already, he told me to my face that he wouldn't do it, and I believe him over you.

HE won't introduce it. A legislator will. But he will push for it's passage behind the scenes. People who owe him or want things from him know he wants it done.
And yet - I still don't think it will pass.

[codeHog]

I hate ASU, I wish them no good will.

I hate that they show up crying on Hog boards any time they get some good news (Gus, bowl, etc)

I hate them without playing them and if we played them, I would do anything I could to make them fail......ANYTHING

[Fayettechill14]

I hate ASU, I wish them no good will.

I hate that they show up crying on Hog boards any time they get some good news (Gus, bowl, etc)

I hate them without playing them and if we played them, I would do anything I could to make them fail......ANYTHING

I agree with you, man. Can't stand them. They are such a bitter rival. LSU has Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss; Florida has Florida State, Miami, and Georgia; Kansas has Kansas State and Missouri; Ohio State has Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State, but WE have Arkansas State.

I hate ASU even more than I hate our other archrivals:
Northwest Arkansas CommuniGAY College
Southern ArkansASS
Louisiana-LAUGHINGSTOCKette
Arkansas-LOSER Rock

[Wild Bill Hog]

That is something I hope ASU never earns. Some of you guys have vastly over valued a game with ASU.

I have yet to find an example of one game making or breaking a football program.

Don't count me among those who place any value on a game with asu.

[bythelake]

You eco. Majors are sad.  It is all about redistribution of the
Fanbase.  Read the ar. Times article about the red wolves.
They want to redistribute power.  Very simple.  Hogs would
Be crazy to play asu.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

So........do you really think the legislature is going to do the scheduling of college football games now?  Are you serious??

Maybe other state governments that would like certain schools to play each other......will do the same thing.  Maybe the whole SEC will now be scheduled by a group of state legislatures.  That is all we need, for the legislature to decide who can play who.  Then, guess they will decide what date they should play on.........& of course what time the game should be played.  Next, there would be a special added "tax" at the gate to get into the stadium......& a special state form to fill out,...& of course you would have to have a special state issued permit for parking etc........

Yes, that is all college football needs......for the legislature to get really involved in the football schedules.  Haven't we already got enough problems with the NCAA??

[gostAte]

Don't count me among those who place any value on a game with asu.

Well then I agree. A game with Arkansas would be just that, another game on our schedule.

I am against the game. ASU is building something great. Arkansas and UCA have football programs to be proud of. I hope the state of Arkansas becomes famous for outstanding football.

[Hogfaniam]

How does playing stAte hurt anymore than any other rent a win.  Do you really think losing to stAte is going to hurt worse than losing to any sunbelt team?  The citadel? 

The hogs will have more immediate problems than the effects on recruiting if that happens.  The damage will have already occurred long before the game.

My stance has always been it is hypocritical to play any sunbelt team and not play stAte.

I don't like any of the rentawin games. The games are more exciting if there is a real  chance you can lose.  Unfortunately, they are a reality of major college football.

[roothawg]

All the other schools in the country have really suffered by playing someone in their state haven't they. LOL LOL Al,Auburn, Tenn, Florida and on and on. Boy they all have suffered way to much by playing an in state team.

[buffaload]

That game makes a lot of sense.  But, I agree with all of those people who are saying it would be political suicide for a legislator (or governor) to push for it.  Plus, the U of A and the Athletic Department are extremely powerful.  They pretty much thumb their noses at the legislature anyway.  I'd just like to see someone affiliated with either the university or athletic department actually explain their position.  The only reason I've seen published has always been something along the lines of "We don't play in state schools as a matter of policy."

[NEastArkie]

That game makes a lot of sense.  But, I agree with all of those people who are saying it would be political suicide for a legislator (or governor) to push for it.  Plus, the U of A and the Athletic Department are extremely powerful.  They pretty much thumb their noses at the legislature anyway.  I'd just like to see someone affiliated with either the university or athletic department actually explain their position.  The only reason I've seen published has always been something along the lines of "We don't play in state schools as a matter of policy."

The reasons for it have been explained over and over.  And they've been published in many places.