Six words that show how bad it really is

[duckman]

No crap sherlock. Read my earlier posts.

Williams and the kid from Colorado may not be depending on the circumstances of how they came across the money.

It's obvious that Beard was the distributor of the money. He could have given them the money without having told them it was counterfeit as loans or something knowing that he would get real money when they paid him back.

Let's wait and see exactly what the details are. I would say that I can't really see a scenario where Beard ever plays here again.

The MOTHO was directed at the players, not you....

[TexArkHogFan]

Having counterfeit in your possession is a crime. Novelty or not.

Technically, it's not in my possession.  It's in my house and I have no idea how it got there.

[WarPig88]

The MOTHO was directed at the players, not you....

Sorry. Thanks for clearing that up. They definitely deserve it.

[WarPig88]

Technically, it's not in my possession.  It's in my house and I have no idea how it got there.

LOL.

My brother actually has a twenty at his house for the same reason. I would keep it as well for the same reason.

I remember my Grandad had a counterfeit bill once and went to a bank to turn it in, not exchange it. They tried to have him arrested anyway.

[Pork Twain]

In Arkansas law both making and possessing are treated the same - both activities are covered under Forgery in the 1st Degree.

There is no difference under state law.

Here's the exact statute - Arkansas Code 5-37-201 in case you're interested.

a) A person forges a written instrument if, with purpose to defraud, the person makes, completes, alters, counterfeits, possesses, or utters any written instrument that purports to be or is calculated to become or to represent if completed the act of a person who did not authorize that act.

(b) A person commits forgery in the first degree if he or she forges a written instrument that is:

(1) Money, a security, a postage or revenue stamp, or other instrument issued by a government; or

(2) A stock, bond, or similar instrument representing an interest in property or a claim against a corporation or its property.

As I stated in my op, I was talking about the way the feds will approach it.

Counterfeiting is not a minor offense. It is not like running a red light, or even shoplifting. These crimes are misdemeanors handled at the local level by local police and courts. Counterfeiting, on the other hand, is a federal felony handled by the U.S. Secret Service. In fact, the entire reason the Secret Service was originally created was to handle counterfeiters. Only later did it take on the role of additionally protecting the president and other key government officials.

[Hog_Swanson]

Long needs to drop basketball tickets to about $10 max so fans might still come out. We need to support the remaining guys, but many fans don't wanna spend 25 bucks or whatever the cost for bad basketball

I would come out for $10.

[Veritas Arkansas]

As I stated in my op, I was talking about the way the feds will approach it.

Counterfeiting is not a minor offense. It is not like running a red light, or even shoplifting. These crimes are misdemeanors handled at the local level by local police and courts. Counterfeiting, on the other hand, is a federal felony handled by the U.S. Secret Service. In fact, the entire reason the Secret Service was originally created was to handle counterfeiters. Only later did it take on the role of additionally protecting the president and other key government officials.

IF the feds approach it.  It's completely up to them.

These cases are frequently prosecuted in state courts.  You said that "forgery" isn't the same as possessing/using/making counterfeit bills.  It most certainly is, and Arkansas law defines it as such.

[TexArkHogFan]

LOL.

My brother actually has a twenty at his house for the same reason. I would keep it as well for the same reason.

I remember my Grandad had a counterfeit bill once and went to a bank to turn it in, not exchange it. They tried to have him arrested anyway.

My only question is why would anybody go to the trouble of counterfeiting a dollar coin.  I mean, it has to be some expense in making the coin, just don't seem like a high profit item. 

[moses_007]

They don't counterfeit coins.  It's always bills.

I wonder how many of these counterfeit bills might have been passed at stores that don't have video cameras.  I managed a number of retail stores in my career, and only one-- Wal-Mart-- had video cameras. 

Convenience stores generally have them because of the high threat of armed robbery.

[onebadrubi]

Let's just blame it on Brad Bolding and be done......

You mean KJ might have some fitties on him too?

[PonderinHog]

My only question is why would anybody go to the trouble of counterfeiting a dollar coin.  I mean, it has to be some expense in making the coin, just don't seem like a high profit item.

Have ever seen a silver certificate?

[WarPig88]

My only question is why would anybody go to the trouble of counterfeiting a dollar coin.  I mean, it has to be some expense in making the coin, just don't seem like a high profit item.

Collectible coins are sold for very high prices. You don't need fancy equipment and special paper to make them either. You just need a press, a die, and some cheap metal just like those little machines that press pennies into souvenirs.

No one is running markers across coins to check for authenticity so there is less risk as long as you don't try to pass them off to an expert who is going to check them using reactive materials to make sure that the metals are truly gold or silver.

[Foshodo]

My only question is why would anybody go to the trouble of counterfeiting a dollar coin.  I mean, it has to be some expense in making the coin, just don't seem like a high profit item. 

Was at a gas station in NLR and a little older lady tried to pay for her lottery tickets in singles... somehow the cashier came to the conclusion the bills were fake and told the woman she couldn't by law give them back... Lil old lady went ape$%^* and had to be "escorted" out...

[TexArkHogFan]

They don't counterfeit coins.  It's always bills.

I wonder how many of these counterfeit bills might have been passed at stores that don't have video cameras.  I managed a number of retail stores in my career, and only one-- Wal-Mart-- had video cameras. 

Convenience stores generally have them because of the high threat of armed robbery.

lol.  Well, I have one to prove they do.  As I said, I work in a liquor store, of course armed robbery is a possibility but we've never had one yet, but our cameras are used mainly to catch shoplifters.  You would be amazed at where people can put a bottle of liquor to steal it.  We had one guy stick a bottle in his shorts.  Ladies with large purses usually warrant extra surveillance.

[WorfHog]

As I stated in my op, I was talking about the way the feds will approach it.

Counterfeiting is not a minor offense. It is not like running a red light, or even shoplifting. These crimes are misdemeanors handled at the local level by local police and courts. Counterfeiting, on the other hand, is a federal felony handled by the U.S. Secret Service. In fact, the entire reason the Secret Service was originally created was to handle counterfeiters. Only later did it take on the role of additionally protecting the president and other key government officials.

The Federal Government is very keen on protecting it's monopoly on made up currency. 

I worked the counter at a truck stop for about two years. I've seen every type of scam you can pull, but the funniest money related tale I have revolves around $2 bills.  One night I was working in the back, prepping the morning breakfast food, when I overheard my co-worker arguing with a customer. The customer had payed for his fuel with several $2 bills. My coworker adamantly refused to accept the bills because in her words "We don't accept fake money." Now I kind of collect $2 bills, they used to give them out at the recycling center when I was a kid, so I knew they were real. I had her check the bills with the counterfeit pen and explained to her that $2 are legal tender.  She didn't believe me. I told her I'd take the bills and exchange for an equal amount of cash and she relented. Eventually she decided they were a rarity and worth more than $2 and would scoop up every one that came into her register.

[Biggus Piggus]

They don't counterfeit coins.  It's always bills.

I wonder how many of these counterfeit bills might have been passed at stores that don't have video cameras.  I managed a number of retail stores in my career, and only one-- Wal-Mart-- had video cameras. 

Convenience stores generally have them because of the high threat of armed robbery.

Why would you try to counterfeit a coin? If you try to spend a bunch of coins, somebody will come over the counter and try to kill you. If you take them to the bank, you're caught. Won't work in vending machines; wrong weight.

[HF#1]

Beard is toast. 9 counts. Stone-cold proof that he exchanged $20 and $50 dollar bills for 100s. Who does that? Someone who knows they have phoney cash and wants to unload it for the real thing. He'll be lucky to end up the starting PG for the 2016-2017 Little Rock Trojans. I'm very concerned for his future as a person, forget basketball (because he might as well at this point).

JaCorey just threw away the rest of his college career, but with just one count (and seemingly the least guilty of the three), he should come out with the lightest punishment.

Dustin Thomas will be the transfer that never was. Good luck to him.

I hate that these kids did this. I know they're young. But surely they have to see what's happening to their peers across the country in both basketball and football. So much to lose. Why risk it? Just dumb.

I think Beard does jailtime.  I'm not sure his "status" as an athlete will help him.

[Pork Twain]

IF the feds approach it.  It's completely up to them.

These cases are frequently prosecuted in state courts.  You said that "forgery" isn't the same as possessing/using/making counterfeit bills.  It most certainly is, and Arkansas law defines it as such.

Point taken

[HotlantaHog]

Reminder: There is a presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

[Veritas Arkansas]

Reminder: There is a presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

In a court of law, yes.

The Razorback basketball program aint' a court of law.

[twistitup]

In a court of law, yes.

The Razorback basketball program aint' a court of law.

Judge Long makes the call

[dhornjr1]

I would come out for $10.

I got some $50 bills I can spend on some tickets.

[texas tush hog]

Having counterfeit in your possession is a crime. Novelty or not.

A few years ago my friend's wife was in charge of selling girl scout cookies for her daughters scout troup in Fayetteville. She went to the bank with a significant amount of cash and checks. It turns out there were 4 counterfeit $20 bills in the mix and the bank confiscated them, no idea where they came from. Would she be guilty under your logic?

[choppedporkextrasauce]

$2500 bond says it's not as bad as everyone thinks.

[Hawg Red]

$2500 bond says it's not as bad as everyone thinks.

I've seen this bandied about on this forum quite a bit, but what is this being based on? I'm legitimately asking because I'm not familiar with the protocol here. It would stand to reason that a low bail amount is not necessarily a precursor to getting off. Maybe someone with some actual knowledge and shed light.

[azhog10]

I've seen this bandied about on this forum quite a bit, but what is this being based on? I'm legitimately asking because I'm not familiar with the protocol here. It would stand to reason that a low bail amount is not necessarily a precursor to getting off. Maybe someone with some actual knowledge and shed light.

Not sure this helps, but missing a court date for expired tags will get you a $2500 bond. I'm also reading that petty theft will get you $2,500 but when felony charges are involved it jumps to $20,000. This is in Cali, but it may help.

[HawgAdvocate]

I've seen this bandied about on this forum quite a bit, but what is this being based on? I'm legitimately asking because I'm not familiar with the protocol here. It would stand to reason that a low bail amount is not necessarily a precursor to getting off. Maybe someone with some actual knowledge and shed light.

The bond amount, in this instance, means jack squat. There's no connection. The student-athletes are no threat to miss their trial since the UofA is involved, which is why they had such low bonds. No sense is charging a high bond that would keep the kids behind bars for a prolonged period. They are still students, and without income.

[moses_007]

The bond amount, in this instance, means jack squat. There's no connection. The student-athletes are no threat to miss their trial since the UofA is involved, which is why they had such low bonds. No sense is charging a high bond that would keep the kids behind bars for a prolonged period. They are still students, and without income.

I'm sure the judge realized that they will all show up for court or he wouldn't have set the bond so low. 

This doesn't mean they will all get off scott free. 

[RedRock]

where do we go from here?

[duckman]

where do we go from here?

The words Titanic and Hindenburg come to mind....

[azhog10]

The bond amount, in this instance, means jack squat. There's no connection. The student-athletes are no threat to miss their trial since the UofA is involved, which is why they had such low bonds. No sense is charging a high bond that would keep the kids behind bars for a prolonged period. They are still students, and without income.

Not saying you are wrong, but the seriousness of the charged crime is taken into consideration when setting a bail amount. Obviously these three don't seem to be a flight risk, but based on the current information that they have at the time of the Bail hearing could impact the bail amount. Curious what the bail schedule is for that type of felony. Typically felonies are five to ten times the bail required for misdemeanors.

[Razorod]

From scanning this thread--is Dustin Thomas the only one of the three who even has a remote chance of being on the team going forward?