Joe Johnson to Cavs?

[chiefhawg]

Could be. Joe is 2nd highest paid player for 15 - 16 season behind Kobe.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13202763/cleveland-cavaliers-interested-joe-johnson-brooklyn-nets

[ErieHog]

It'd be a desperation move, and costly.

They're likely better served by signing David West.

[Hawghiggs]

 I hope this happens.

[jry04]

It'd be a desperation move, and costly.

They're likely better served by signing David West.

They're trying to get both. It will be crazy if they pull it off. That team will be absolutely loaded.

Johnson will cost them a lot, but he is a perfect fit for them.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

It'd be a desperation move, and costly.

They're likely better served by signing David West.

I would be desperate too if I watched that terrible play from the Cavs wings.

[chiefhawg]

They're trying to get both. It will be crazy if they pull it off. That team will be absolutely loaded.

Johnson will cost them a lot, but he is a perfect fit for them.

Joe only has one more year on his contract. The Cav's want a championship.

[jry04]

I would be desperate too if I watched that terrible play from the Cavs wings.

They won 2 games in the finals without their 2nd and 3rd best players. I wouldn't call the Cavs desperate because they want to make their team even better. If Love and Kyrie didn't get hurt we would be talking about them being the champs. With or without adding either of these two, they are the clear favorites entering 2016. They need a SF to help LBJ play less minutes. Johnson would do that. They will not have to play LBJ 40+ minutes every single night if they have a player like JJ.

[jry04]

Joe only has one more year on his contract. The Cav's want a championship.

I know he only has 1 year. I know exactly why they are doing it. His contract is huge, though. That is why I said it will cost them. If they sign both, to go with what they are giving Love and LBJ, plus what Thompson will get, they are going to be so far over the cap. Gilbert better hope they win it all. I think they will, though.

[Hugehogsfan]

Joe has to be hitting that point where he wants to win a championship, I think he has gotten paid and now it's time to get a ring!

[TomasPistola]

I was actually hoping the Spurs could pull something off and get David West also. Not sure they have the cap room though. As for Joe, he is the type of player that could help the Cavs beat a Western Conf team in the Finals...if his shot is falling.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

They won 2 games in the finals without their 2nd and 3rd best players. I wouldn't call the Cavs desperate because they want to make their team even better. If Love and Kyrie didn't get hurt we would be talking about them being the champs. With or without adding either of these two, they are the clear favorites entering 2016. They need a SF to help LBJ play less minutes. Johnson would do that. They will not have to play LBJ 40+ minutes every single night if they have a player like JJ.

Their wings in the finals were beyond terrible. That's why they are and should be desperate to acquire JJ.

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.
JR Smith  0/9 FG
Delly        0/7 FG
J. Jones   0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total       0/21 FG

The Spurs should be the favorite's next year with the addition of Aldridge.

And finally I don't think it's a guarantee Cavs would have won the finals if both Love and Irving were playing

[jry04]

Their wings in the finals were beyond terrible. That's why they are and should be desperate to acquire JJ.

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.
JR Smith  0/9 FG
Delly        0/7 FG
J. Jones   0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total       0/21 FG

The Spurs should be the favorite's next year with the addition of Aldridge.

And finally I don't think it's a guarantee Cavs would have won the finals if both Love and Irving were playing

With Kyrie and Love on the floor, the Cavs would have had 3 of the 4 best players in the series. The Cavs just wore out. No doubt their guards weren't up to par, but losing Kyrie changed everything in that series. They definitely need someone to provide relief for James, but I would hardly call a team destined to make the finals again with the best odds to win the finals "desperate."

Spurs aren't the favorites with the addition of Aldridge. Cavs are still the favorites. Landing Aldridge improved the Spurs to 9/2. Cavs are 3/1 currently. Get Joe Johnson, and they probably move to 5/2.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

With Kyrie and Love on the floor, the Cavs would have had 3 of the 4 best players in the series. The Cavs just wore out. No doubt their guards weren't up to par, but losing Kyrie changed everything in that series. They definitely need someone to provide relief for James, but I would hardly call a team destined to make the finals again with the best odds to win the finals "desperate."

Spurs aren't the favorites with the addition of Aldridge. Cavs are still the favorites. Landing Aldridge improved the Spurs to 9/2. Cavs are 3/1 currently. Get Joe Johnson, and they probably move to 5/2.

My statement remains the same they are desperate for a wing upgrade. Their wing players are terrible. I am not or have not called the Cavs team desperate for any other postion or for their ability to make back to the Finals in the terrible East.

Having 3 of the best 4 players on the floor didn't help Miami beat the Mavs or the Spurs in the rematch. It's all about Match ups. The Cavs biggest advantage outside of Lebron was the ability of Thompson and TM killing the Warriors down low. That's how the Cavs wented up 2-1. I don't think they have that same advantage with K Love playing his normal 33 plus mins a game. Kyrie defense on Curry was not at the same level dellavedova which was another key in there 2 wins.

Now we argue all day The hypothetical situation as Love and Kyrie are both more than capable of going off and winning a game. But it's not a given they win series. It's not even a given they Cavs would have won the same 2 games they did.

And as far as calling the Spurs the favorite I wasn't referring to Vegas. However it will be interesting to see how the line moves especially after Manu confirms his plans.

[Hogimus Prime]

It would be a good move for the Cavs.  JJ is a good spot up shooter, can still drive and create, adds quality depth to the wing. Cavs can play LBJ and JJ together at the 3/2 and 4/3. 

[Foshodo]

Joe should have won one with the Suns early on... hope he signs with them and puts them over the top.

[pigture perfect]

Joe could have had a ring if he would have stayed with the Celts. Cav's need Joe worse than Joe needs them. I just want Joe on a competitive team.

[Hog_Fink]

Man the versatility the cavs would get with joe would be huuge. I think if they had joe the cavs coule have possibly won it this year. Takes so much stress off lebron. Primary ball handler, spot up shooter, can create for himself, guard 1-3.
Kyrie joe lebron kevin love tristan thompson
Or go smaller and insert shumpert

[jry04]

My statement remains the same they are desperate for a wing upgrade. Their wing players are terrible. I am not or have not called the Cavs team desperate for any other postion or for their ability to make back to the Finals in the terrible East.

Having 3 of the best 4 players on the floor didn't help Miami beat the Mavs or the Spurs in the rematch. It's all about Match ups. The Cavs biggest advantage outside of Lebron was the ability of Thompson and TM killing the Warriors down low. That's how the Cavs wented up 2-1. I don't think they have that same advantage with K Love playing his normal 33 plus mins a game. Kyrie defense on Curry was not at the same level dellavedova which was another key in there 2 wins.

Now we argue all day The hypothetical situation as Love and Kyrie are both more than capable of going off and winning a game. But it's not a given they win series. It's not even a given they Cavs would have won the same 2 games they did.

And as far as calling the Spurs the favorite I wasn't referring to Vegas. However it will be interesting to see how the line moves especially after Manu confirms his plans.

The Spurs odds are with the assumption Manu will be back, since that is what most think. It won't change the odds much whether he stays or goes. He has had a great career, but a 38 year old averaging 10 ppg in the regular season, and less than 20 mpg in the post season won't change the picture in the west much, if any.


I personally think the Spurs finish 3rd or 4th in the West. I just think this will be the season that their old age finally catches up to them.

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^

They've been hearing that for the past 8 years.

[Scott7703]

They're trying to get both. It will be crazy if they pull it off. That team will be absolutely loaded.

Johnson will cost them a lot, but he is a perfect fit for them.

There is no way they sign west and take on Johnson's money. Not enough cap space for all that. They will already have two other max guys.

[jry04]

^^^

They've been hearing that for the past 8 years.

Well, they did lose in the 1st round this past season, losing game 7 to a one legged Chris Paul, and finishing as the 6 seed. The West was pretty loaded 1-6, though.

There is no way they sign west and take on Johnson's money. Not enough cap space for all that. They will already have two other max guys.

West is going to sign somewhere for less in order to play for a contender. He is likely going to sign for MLE. Also, in order to get Johnson, they will be trading Varejao and Haywood. Haywood and Varejao are both due 10M+ this coming season.

The fact of the matter is, Gilbert is willing to pay an ungodly amount in order to win a championship. The amount of revenue that LBJ brings to the Cavs exceeds the amount they will be paying in payroll. They will probably set a record in taxes, but if it brings them a championship they don't care.

[Dr. Starcs]

Popovich is a master at getting his old guys rest during the season. They've still got to fill some holes on the roster though.

[jry04]

Popovich is a master at getting his old guys rest during the season. They've still got to fill some holes on the roster though.

He really is. Probably the best coach in the league. That is the main reason I am hesitant to write them off completely, but I still just think at some point that age has to catch up. We will see, though.

[TomasPistola]

David west is signing with the Spurs for the veteran min. Wow. Go Spurs

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^

Excellent news.

[husker71]

you know you hear crap about athletes and how they are greedy but West just gave up what  $12 million to try and win a championship    This happens over and over particularly with veterans in the NBA    This is why I don't like Kobe and Carmelo and there is a chance both could finish last in the East and West.

[jry04]

you know you hear crap about athletes and how they are greedy but West just gave up what  $12 million to try and win a championship    This happens over and over particularly with veterans in the NBA    This is why I don't like Kobe and Carmelo and there is a chance both could finish last in the East and West.

There are just as many people who make fun of players and hate them for taking less to surround themselves with talent to win championships. They use the "ring chaser" term, and say "player A" isn't good because he had to get help. I agree with you, though. I would rather a guy surround himself with talent for less money because he wants to win rather than stay with a team who has no chance just for the big pay check. Melo being one of them.

[Pig in the Pokey]

I would be desperate too if I watched that terrible play from the Cavs wings.

um, Lebron and Love are the wings.

[Pig in the Pokey]

With Kyrie and Love on the floor, the Cavs would have had 3 of the 4 best players in the series. The Cavs just wore out. No doubt their guards weren't up to par, but losing Kyrie changed everything in that series. They definitely need someone to provide relief for James, but I would hardly call a team destined to make the finals again with the best odds to win the finals "desperate."

Spurs aren't the favorites with the addition of Aldridge. Cavs are still the favorites. Landing Aldridge improved the Spurs to 9/2. Cavs are 3/1 currently. Get Joe Johnson, and they probably move to 5/2.

Love is not better than Clay

[usf15cc]

Love is not better than Clay

Are you serious!!!!

[jry04]

Love is not better than Clay

I don't know who Clay is. However, Love is certainly better than Klay. Klay is definitely a great player, though. Tough to compare the two, really.

[TomasPistola]

Klay and Love have different skill sets. Klay is a much better shooter than Love though.

[husker71]

I think Klay is a better shooter than Love but the degree to which he is could be argued.  I watch the 37 point Thompson quarter and am amazed.  That being said I have seen other players get hot and cant miss for several minutes just not a whole quarter.  Love does some things that Thompson cant do.  I think you will see a whole different Love this year than last just because he will know his role better   It had to a shock for him last year   His numbers will not show it but he could have a really good season at 20 and 8   Tristan Thomas will have to be figured in and he will get a lot of minutes   Hope JJ goes to Cavs BUT the luxury tax penalty would be terrible   Maybe if Erie is on he could figure it out for us

[jry04]

I think Klay is a better shooter than Love but the degree to which he is could be argued.  I watch the 37 point Thompson quarter and am amazed.  That being said I have seen other players get hot and cant miss for several minutes just not a whole quarter.  Love does some things that Thompson cant do.  I think you will see a whole different Love this year than last just because he will know his role better   It had to a shock for him last year   His numbers will not show it but he could have a really good season at 20 and 8   Tristan Thomas will have to be figured in and he will get a lot of minutes   Hope JJ goes to Cavs BUT the luxury tax penalty would be terrible   Maybe if Erie is on he could figure it out for us

Klay is a streaky shooter. He plays pretty good defense, so that is a definite plus. However, if he is having a poor shooting night he doesn't really get his buckets. He has gotten a lot better at taking his man off the dribble, but he is still average. He can drop 30 pts in a hurry if he gets hot from three, but can also have performances like he did in the Finals where he shoots 30-35% from the floor and struggles to get 10 points.

[jackflash]

James usually gets what he wants in Cleveland.  Question does he want Johnson?

[Hogimus Prime]

James usually gets what he wants in Cleveland.  Question does he want Johnson?

I read an article that James wants JJ.  James likes JJ's game and thinks he would be a great fit in Cleveland.

[rwspear]

um, Lebron and Love are the wings.

love isnt a wing player lol

[husker71]

in the now no defined position  NBA and with Love dropping 3s I certainly could consider Love a wing who happens to also get a bunch of rebounds  (and is not much of a defensive player)   

[jry04]

in the now no defined position  NBA and with Love dropping 3s I certainly could consider Love a wing who happens to also get a bunch of rebounds  (and is not much of a defensive player)   

Definitely not a wing. Being able to stretch the floor doesn't necessarily make you a wing.

[Hogimus Prime]

in the now no defined position  NBA and with Love dropping 3s I certainly could consider Love a wing who happens to also get a bunch of rebounds  (and is not much of a defensive player)   

Love is a four that can stretch the D.

[King Kong]

um, Lebron and Love are the wings.

Love is a stretch four and Lebron plays a Point Forward. The ppl playing wing are Shumpert and JR I have never passed Smith.

[husker71]

what is a wing to you???   Simmons mentioned Chandler Parsons as a wing    is he wrong??   Lebron is every position except what used to be called center   maybe its me but wing is the 2/3  and maybe at times even 4  like when some teams go small   but I agree with you on  JR Smith and Shumpert   do you think Smith will be back??   even if they get Johnson I think he will be back   Miller Marion Perkins Haywood all gone

[King Kong]

what is a wing to you???   Simmons mentioned Chandler Parsons as a wing    is he wrong??   Lebron is every position except what used to be called center   maybe its me but wing is the 2/3  and maybe at times even 4  like when some teams go small   but I agree with you on  JR Smith and Shumpert   do you think Smith will be back??   even if they get Johnson I think he will be back   Miller Marion Perkins Haywood all gone

A wing is a player is a player that plays on the wing positions of the court. With is mostly starts on elbow of the 3 point line. They run off screens, spot up for catches off ball movement or catch the ball at the elbow areas to make their move. Like a Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, or Paul George.

They don't for the majority of the game bring up the ball and create offense for the rest of the team like Lebron does, or like Westbrook, Rose, CP3. Pippen and Grant Hill (mostly with the Pistons) were similar players to Lebron playing this Point Forward position. The mostly brought up the ball up and created for their teammates like a point guard.

[ErieHog]

Klay and Love have different skill sets. Klay is a much better shooter than Love though.

Uh-  no.

We need only look at the career splits, to see that isn't true.     Love is actually a better overall shooter than Thompson, by a fraction, though a less accurate 3 point shooter, marginally-- mind, one of them has a much longer track record, and has a history of playing with hand injuries, and is still a very similar shooter.

[lefty08]

If the Cavs get joe, Karl Malone, and Akeem Olajuwon then LeBron can get his ring. I've got my fingers crossed......

[jry04]

If the Cavs get joe, Karl Malone, and Akeem Olajuwon then LeBron can get his ring. I've got my fingers crossed......

Maybe he can borrow the 3 or 4 HoF players Magic played with to win his.

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^

Somebody's got a crush.

[jry04]

^^^

Somebody's got a crush.

I am a Twolves fan...

Just never have understood the people who make fun of players for wanting to win by surrounding themselves with better players. Ultimately, if you are a competitor, THAT IS THE GOAL.

[Dr. Starcs]

It's the fact that lebron did it during his prime. he chose to leave his team to join up. C'mon you must realize the difference there.

Comparing him to Magic, Jordan, or Larry in that respect is apples and oranges.

[jry04]

It's the fact that lebron did it during his prime. he chose to leave his team to join up. C'mon you must realize the difference there.

Comparing him to Magic, Jordan, or Larry in that respect is apples and oranges.

The difference is those teams built around their stars. Cleveland refused to. They thought LBJ would stay there forever because he was an Ohio boy, and brought in players like Jamison and Shaq on the tail end of their careers. Miami would spend to build a team. Cleveland is now spending. How he did it was foolish, but in my opinion it was a good career move for him. I am not sure he would have a ring to this day had he not left, simply because Cleveland refused to spend the money.