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[tusksincolorado]

I wonder how many of you guys have watched porn today...

That I will admit too??!

[LRHawg]

News flash about women you guys. They lie their ass off.

Exactly. I'm not condoning sending a video to your buddies but, you have to cya ... Don't put yourself in a position to catch that kind of heat.

[Smokehouse]

I understand were you are coming from but take this case, the act was in fact filmed and transferred to another device.  Both acts would need approval so he is guilty unless he can prove approval was given.  It's not a case were you have to be proven guilty, in reverse you have to prove innocence.  As you said that is hard to do in these cases even without being drunk.  What I'm saying is this isn't like being charged with murder when you know you were in another state when it happened.

It's a fair point that the video is hard evidence, but in this case the prosecution wouldn't be attempting to prove guilt that he filmed and transferred the video, which wouldn't be illegal if consent was given (maybe not on sending the video, some states have weird laws when it comes to filming and sending sex and I have no idea where Michigan stands). In these cases it practically becomes an effort of the defendant to prove innocence rather than the prosecution to prove guilt because the system tends to favor the accuser and when you're both black out drunk it's hard to prove consent wasn't given. (Of course, one could argue that under a stronger presumption of innocence it would be nearly impossible for the woman to prove she didn't verbally give consent at some point, which is why investigations proceed this way. It's a case of would you rather risk putting innocent guys in jail or letting guilty guys go. I favor a stronger presumption of innocence but people argue both ways.) But all of that's another reason to just cop a guilty plea and get it over with even if he thought she was totally cool with everything from the start.

That's a whole lot of stuff that people probably don't really care that much about. My broader point is just that even with a guilty plea it's a murky situation and CBB will be making an ultimate decision based on more information than we will ever have.

I think the two main considerations are: it's possible that the broader evidence implies that this was less of an offense than a quick reading of the situation implies, and CBB is willing to give the kid a second chance because of this, but also that regardless of that evidence, if we sign him it's possible this becomes an image issue and the people who like to spread anti-Bret stuff are going to tell this story while only providing the quick reading. So, does this kid deserve a second shot and is it worth giving it to him even if he is? Our need for tackles probably changes the math on the second consideration.

[Mike_e]

A couple of things:

1 if he was really that drunk and still able to do the deed, well, that's pretty impressive.

2 if he really did black out and not remember the kid has bigger issues than a pair of felonies to worry about.  That passes youthful exuberance and gets right into alcoholism.

I'm not about to throw any rocks here because I don't know the young man but I do feel that extending a little trust to the people who do in fact know him is in order.

[Cinco de Hogo]

If in fact CBB decides to bring him in do you guys expect some sort of  explanation from CB as to why he feels comfortable with it?

I understand the need for a certain amount of privacy but at the same time being upfront about things can go a long way in the public eye. 

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

If in fact CBB decides to bring him in do you guys expect some sort of  explanation from CB as to why he feels comfortable with it?

I understand the need for a certain amount of privacy but at the same time being upfront about things can go a long way in the public eye. 

CBB will address in detail their process in deciding bringing him in. That's just how he does things

[Smokehouse]

A couple of things:

1 if he was really that drunk and still able to do the deed, well, that's pretty impressive.

2 if he really did black out and not remember the kid has bigger issues than a pair of felonies to worry about.  That passes youthful exuberance and gets right into alcoholism.

I'm not about to throw any rocks here because I don't know the young man but I do feel that extending a little trust to the people who do in fact know him is in order.

One known incident does not an alcoholic make.

I blacked out a couple of times in college and now I probably have a drink every couple of weeks or so.

[Smokehouse]

If in fact CBB decides to bring him in do you guys expect some sort of  explanation from CB as to why he feels comfortable with it?

I understand the need for a certain amount of privacy but at the same time being upfront about things can go a long way in the public eye. 

I expect CBB will give an explanation as to why he felt comfortable bringing him in, and then anyone outside the Arkansas media who reports on it will ignore most of those details, haha.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I expect CBB will give an explanation as to why he felt comfortable bringing him in, and then anyone outside the Arkansas media who reports on it will ignore most of those details, haha.

Just like we will do when similar things happen to players at other programs.  We aren't unique in any way.

[Mike_e]

One known incident does not an alcoholic make.

I blacked out a couple of times in college and now I probably have a drink every couple of weeks or so.

Blacking out is one of those scary signs.  Just sayin.

Most of us got smarter after school, good that you're one.

[Smokehouse]

Blacking out is one of those scary signs.  Just sayin.

Most of us got smarter after school, good that you're one.

I didn't even drink that much in college. Just hit it too hard a couple of times

And If you're losing whole nights or doing it all the time, then yeah, it's a sign. I don't think that's what allegedly happened here.

All we know is that he doesn't remember  (or claims, he could just be pulling the booze excuse) what happened during the encounter. Not remembering all the events leading up to a sexual encounter or a conversation about filming it doesn't make him an alcoholic, it just makes him a kid with really bad judgement. I assume if he comes here part of the deal will be he'll have to learn not to put himself in these types of situations where something like this can happen, but he doesn't necessarily need to sign up for AA.

[Smokehouse]

Just like we will do when similar things happen to players at other programs.  We aren't unique in any way.

For sure. I wasn't trying to imply that Arkansas is especially persecuted by the media, though I know some think that. CBB does have a way of making himself quotable, though, so we're a ripe situation for this kind of stuff.

[CallThoseHawgs]

https://twitter.com/logantillman/status/698668359181799424
Hog gear

[RazorPiggie]

Haha I'd say he's a Hog.

[CallThoseHawgs]

Haha I'd say he's a Hog.

Yep. We will just have to wait for him to get his 20 credit hours to graduate.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Haha I'd say he's a Hog.

Boy, it sure would suggest so.  Really need any talented OT we can get right now. 

[Pig in the Pokey]

But what if the girl was really, really good looking? At least he didn't have her chained up in his basement.

You know CBB has taken some video in his life...

[Arthur pigby sellers.]

So did he actually start the first couple of games this year prior to being arrested? 

[buldozer]

I would like to know how he took a video with her cell phone without her knowledge? Look ma no hands! Did he set it on the dresser? She knew.

Exactly.... it didn't happen. He didn't sneak HER cell phone to film with and then sneak it again to take the video off.... not believable. She was likely complicit then regretful once it got out, very understandable.

[k.c.hawg]

He does deserve a second chance but hopefully not at Arkansas. Would prefer that we don't sell out to being second chance U. It doesn't fit the current coach's m/o, looks like a perfect fit for CBP.

[ArkansasI]

That picture reminds me just how young these players are. I often forget. He made a really stupid decision. It appears he's doing everything possible to get it behind him.

[secneahog]

Lesson learned :   don't send cell phone sex videos to your friends.  You can catch a charge.  Sucks.

[Torqued pork]

I'll go with Bielema's judgment.  Even though I'm an old and conservative codger, the eagerness of some to throw our youth in a dumpster at first opportunity is a terrible mistake in most cases.

[ricepig]

I'll go with Bielema's judgment.  Even though I'm an old and conservative codger, the eagerness of some to throw our youth in a dumpster at first opportunity is a terrible mistake in most cases.

I agree, I'm sure they will/have properly vetted his situation. He is graduating in three years, so it isn't like he's not doing his work.

[tusksincolorado]

My grandfather use to say, "I have only heard of one man that was perfect and walked on water....the rest of us either sink or have to swim very hard to make it to shore."

Everyone should get a second chance....and sometimes more.

[pondwater jack]

do we have room for him now.  thought we had 25?

[jjdlc]

do we have room for him now.  thought we had 25?

He doesn't count against the 25 either way, he is a grad transfer, he only counts  against the 85.

We also didn't sign a full 25, so we would have room either way.

[gmarv]

I'll go with Bielema's judgment.  Even though I'm an old and conservative codger, the eagerness of some to throw our youth in a dumpster at first opportunity is a terrible mistake in most cases.

I,m a old conservative codger as well,i think you got it just about right cbb seems to have a really good feel for character of the kids he brings in so if he decides the kid is worth the effort then I think it will work out for us.

[Fort Dweller]

*fapnaught?

[31to6]

He does deserve a second chance but hopefully not at Arkansas. Would prefer that we don't sell out to being second chance U. It doesn't fit the current coach's m/o, looks like a perfect fit for CBP.

The advantage of a high-value program is that if the coaches think a prospect is a good person who made a mistake, you can bring them in and surround them with a bunch of leadership and character.

I agree we don't want to be second chance U, but CBB runs a really tight ship. I am fine with him taking a risk from time to time after he's done his due diligence.

I don't know enough about this situation to render judgement. And even those who *do* know all the facts and details don't know the player's heart. If he comes here, time will tell whether it was the right move.

One way or the other I don't expect that one player can derail what is being built.

[HogNDas]

The advantage of a high-value program is that if the coaches think a prospect is a good person who made a mistake, you can bring them in and surround them with a bunch of leadership and character.

I agree we don't want to be second chance U, but CBB runs a really tight ship. I am fine with him taking a risk from time to time after he's done his due diligence.

I don't know enough about this situation to render judgement. And even those who *do* know all the facts and details don't know the player's heart. If he comes here, time will tell whether it was the right move.

One way or the other I don't expect that one player can derail what is being built.

I trust CBB's judgment on the character of players implicitly....if CBB deems LTT worthy of a second chance, I trust him....

[rljjr]

The advantage of a high-value program is that if the coaches think a prospect is a good person who made a mistake, you can bring them in and surround them with a bunch of leadership and character.

I agree we don't want to be second chance U, but CBB runs a really tight ship. I am fine with him taking a risk from time to time after he's done his due diligence.

I don't know enough about this situation to render judgement. And even those who *do* know all the facts and details don't know the player's heart. If he comes here, time will tell whether it was the right move.

One way or the other I don't expect that one player can derail what is being built.

Fair enough. You can expect this to be used against us in recruiting. "Mom, why would you want your son playing for a team who signed a kid AFTER he pleaded guilty to two counts of a felony sex crime?" Whether or not that derails what is being built is to be seen. WSU seems like a nice place for a second chance.

[k.c.hawg]

The advantage of a high-value program is that if the coaches think a prospect is a good person who made a mistake, you can bring them in and surround them with a bunch of leadership and character.

I agree we don't want to be second chance U, but CBB runs a really tight ship. I am fine with him taking a risk from time to time after he's done his due diligence.

I don't know enough about this situation to render judgement. And even those who *do* know all the facts and details don't know the player's heart. If he comes here, time will tell whether it was the right move.

One way or the other I don't expect that one player can derail what is being built.

I totally agree and everything else about the young man points to, this was an out of character mistake. I 100% believe he deserves a 2nd chance and if Coach BB determines he is a fit I will accept his judgement and his willingness to put his butt on the line for the young man.

That being said, I saw the roasting Baylor got for bringing a player to their campus that had an issue and repeated. If you bring a student to a University campus that has been convicted of 'any" kind of a sexual offense and he commits a sexual related crime against one of your students there is going to be hell to pay. With that being the case, I would prefer he get his second chance elsewhere.

I wish the young man all the luck in the world and hope he goes on to be a stellar citizen and person.

[JIHawg]

I trust CBB's judgment on the character of players implicitly....if CBB deems LTT worthy of a second chance, I trust him....

You have expressed how I feel very well.

[Polecat]

Maybe he's put this behind him. Kid is graduating college early so maybe he has his head on straight. I say give him a second chance and come be an All-SEC player for us

[Mike_e]

Fair enough. You can expect this to be used against us in recruiting. "Mom, why would you want your son playing for a team who signed a kid AFTER he pleaded guilty to two counts of a felony sex crime?" Whether or not that derails what is being built is to be seen. WSU seems like a nice place for a second chance.

And we can counter -- Mom, the U of A is a place where #Uncommon young men go to become great men.

Some may have further to go, but we get them there.

[PorkRinds]

Lesson learned :   don't send cell phone sex videos to your friends.  You can catch a charge.  Sucks.

That's not what happened.

[ricepig]

Ok, my question is, can he play? He's appeared in two?? games, correct? The season opener against a FCS in 2014, and again in 2015 before dismissal. I know he was a 4* and highly recruited in high school, but is he any different than our 4* who redshirted, or the one who played in two games?

[PorkRinds]

Ok, my question is, can he play? He's appeared in two?? games, correct? The season opener against a FCS in 2014, and again in 2015 before dismissal. I know he was a 4* and highly recruited in high school, but is he any different than our 4* who redshirted, or the one who played in two games?

Let's think about this ricepig. These coaches evidently want to bring him in despite his legal troubles. Do you think they'd be doing that if he was a scrub?  Uh...no.  They're doing it because he's likely immediate help.

[ricepig]

Let's think about this ricepig. These coaches evidently want to bring him in despite his legal troubles. Do you think they'd be doing that if he was a scrub?  Uh...no.  They're doing it because he's likely immediate help.

Did I say he was a scrub? I guess the question is, are they not satisfied with the guys on the roster? They have as many elite offers and have taken as many snaps, or there about. I guess I'm mostly alluding to Wallace.

[PorkRinds]

Did I say he was a scrub? I guess the question is, are they not satisfied with the guys on the roster? They have as many elite offers and have taken as many snaps, or there about. I guess I'm mostly alluding to Wallace.

Good point. It may be that they want the depth. We are woefully thin at tackle, as you know. And as Wildhog has not let us forget. 

[ricepig]

Good point. It may be that they want the depth. We are woefully thin at tackle, as you know. And as Wildhog has not let us forget. 

Oh, I completely agree that it's depth driven.

[Smokehouse]

I totally agree and everything else about the young man points to, this was an out of character mistake. I 100% believe he deserves a 2nd chance and if Coach BB determines he is a fit I will accept his judgement and his willingness to put his butt on the line for the young man.

That being said, I saw the roasting Baylor got for bringing a player to their campus that had an issue and repeated. If you bring a student to a University campus that has been convicted of 'any" kind of a sexual offense and he commits a sexual related crime against one of your students there is going to be hell to pay. With that being the case, I would prefer he get his second chance elsewhere.

I wish the young man all the luck in the world and hope he goes on to be a stellar citizen and person.

In Baylor's case, the student was accused of sexual assault, and Baylor was accused of basically just ignoring it and bringing him in as if nothing else happened. In this case the sex was consensual, the taping is what's being challenged. Given that there was a judicious use of alcohol involved and these are college kids we're talking about, I don't think LTT has crossed anywhere near the lines that were crossed at Baylor. As long as it's obvious we recognize that he made a mistake and that he needs to work above and beyond the average athlete to play here, I don't see any real blow back. Bring him in and tell him if we see him around even a drop of alcohol before he graduates we kick him back to the curb.

[radioheadhog]

🤔

[secneahog]

That's not what happened.

What happened? 

[gchamblee]

If in fact CBB decides to bring him in do you guys expect some sort of  explanation from CB as to why he feels comfortable with it?

I understand the need for a certain amount of privacy but at the same time being upfront about things can go a long way in the public eye.

If CBB brings him in, I expect to see that he has put in charge of keeping the Film Room cleaned.

[PorkRinds]

What happened?

He took a video on the girl's phone and she was supposedly unaware. Then he sent it to his own phone.  Never sent it to friends from what I've read.

[jgphillips3]

He made a mistake.  He is paying for that mistake and will pay for it the rest of his young life until people forget about it.  As long as the sex was consensual, and it appears to have been, this is the kind of stupid drunk mistake any of us could have made in college.  If it's true he only sent it to himself, that helps a lot in my opinion.  For him, CBB could be a Godsend due to CBB's reputation.  Right now, this kid who could have had a shot at the NFL is teetering on the brink.  If he comes here, I bet he will be a model citizen and CBB will help him as a man, much less a football player. 

[JIHawg]

Amen jgp