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vegas hog

The hogs are having one of their best seasons in years and people are griping. Enjoy the ride. It looks like we will make the tourney. Look at our RPI. Best in a long time. We also are the only team to beat Georgia on their home floor. Our winning percentage is 80%. How many other teams would love to have that. Put things in perspective. Our team will have shown improvement in the w column every year since MA HAS BEEN here. That is the goal. Win more games every year. Some of our fan base wants the wins and then wants to gripe in the fashion that it is done.

HawgTrough

WPS

 

HoopS


tophawg19

most realize what will happen when we hit the good teams and can see an early exit in the tourny . we play in a conference where less than 25 % will make the NCAA's . I love winning but want to see a well coached , complete team and it isn't there yet. next year we start over rebuilding again .
if you ain't a hawg you ain't chitlins

Hawg Red

The hubris of some on this board is comical. Especially when coupled with their over-simplication of the subject that they are talking about.

MikePiazza

Attendance at BWA through four league games:

Vandy-16,049
Ole Miss-18,352
Alabama-11,528
Tennessee-12,753
_______________
Average: 14,671

And no, that's not the inflated number of tickets sold, but actual attendance. Would be nice to get up into that 16K average range by the time it's all said and done.
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim. Millions of families suffer every year.

Hawg Red

Quote from: MikePiazza on January 28, 2015, 09:44:06 am
Attendance at BWA through four league games:

Vandy-16,049
Ole Miss-18,352
Alabama-11,528
Tennessee-12,753
_______________
Average: 14,671

And no, that's not the inflated number of tickets sold, but actual attendance. Would be nice to get up into that 16K average range by the time it's all said and done.

Man, that hard line was drawn after the Ole Miss debacle. I knew it would happen, though, with a near sell-out crowd in the building only to see us get handled by a probable NIT team.

MikePiazza

Quote from: Hawg Red on January 28, 2015, 09:46:44 am
Man, that hard line was drawn after the Ole Miss debacle. I knew it would happen, though, with a near sell-out crowd in the building only to see us get handled by a probable NIT team.

Definitely took a toll, but I was impressed with both turnouts for Alabama and Tennessee with it being midweek 8 p.m. tipoffs. The Vandy & Ole Miss games were both on Saturdays, which makes it way easier for more fans to attend.

Only Saturday home games left are against Mississippi State on Feb. 7 and LSU on March 7. Should have big crowds for those, especially if Hogs are ranked.
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim. Millions of families suffer every year.

elksnort

I will say the following positive comments, notwithstanding the obvious personnel and coaching short comings.

The Razorbacks are 16-4 as of last night. When is the last time the basketball teams has been 16-4?
In spite of sloppy play, the Hogs are winning games that in previous years they would have lost.
I do think the players know what the prize is and are playing hard to get there.
If the hogs win 80% of the remaining games then they are no doubt in the NCCAT.

Is the above positive enough?

hawg IQ

Quote from: vegas hog on January 28, 2015, 09:31:20 am
The hogs are having one of their best seasons in years and people are griping. Enjoy the ride. It looks like we will make the tourney. Look at our RPI. Best in a long time. We also are the only team to beat Georgia on their home floor. Our winning percentage is 80%. How many other teams would love to have that. Put things in perspective. Our team will have shown improvement in the w column every year since MA HAS BEEN here. That is the goal. Win more games every year. Some of our fan base wants the wins and then wants to gripe in the fashion that it is done.

Does it not seem like teams are just shooting lights out against us. I know hogs defense is not good, but man it looked like tenner had 5 all sec players out there at times also..
  I think one thing that is missing on this team is we have Portis, Qualls that can just catch fire at times and others can't ?

  I thought tenner played a lot of zone and were mugging portis inside and stupid refs was letting it go. We really need that outside threat to never miss a 3,  if left open.

The real story on this team lies ahead. Nolan's teams got hot in February and March, if MA can do the same, hogs could make a deep run into tourney, if not well this is prob the best MA can do.
go hogs go !

tophawg19

pretty sure we make the tourny, just don't want to be a 1 and done . this was supposed to be our big year.
if you ain't a hawg you ain't chitlins

Hawg Red

Quote from: MikePiazza on January 28, 2015, 09:54:17 am
Definitely took a toll, but I was impressed with both turnouts for Alabama and Tennessee with it being midweek 8 p.m. tipoffs. The Vandy & Ole Miss games were both on Saturdays, which makes it way easier for more fans to attend.

Only Saturday home games left are against Mississippi State on Feb. 7 and LSU on March 7. Should have big crowds for those, especially if Hogs are ranked.

Good point on the late tip-offs during the week.

HF#1

There is an inherent fear that if this team isn't playing at a high level that things will fall apart.  The Ole Miss debacle at home put the fear of god into everyone that we would somehow miss out on the NCAA tournament once again.  Winning close games is a good thing.  Winning games where we don't play our best, is a good thing. 

I guess the next step is perfecting our craft and blow some folks out of the water.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."  <br /><br />Benjamin Franklin

 

hog golf

Quote from: HoopS on January 28, 2015, 09:37:45 am
because the complaints are constant.
are the complaints warranted? be glad that there are fans who still care. apathy can be very difficult to overcome. if they complain, they care. just the way it is.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize

Hawg Red

Quote from: hog golf on January 28, 2015, 10:11:27 am
are the complaints warranted? be glad that there are fans who still care. apathy can be very difficult to overcome. if they complain, they care. just the way it is.

Frustrating that some fans can't see this because there are a good number of fans that just no longer care either way about Hog basketball. The need for some fans to treat other fans with opposing perspectives/opinions as enemies is beyond me. Some of my favorite posters here are people that I usually don't see eye-to-eye but the debate and discussion is great. Others just like to whine about what you've said and attack you as a fan for not thinking everyone is fine at all times.

secfan30

January 28, 2015, 10:16:39 am #15 Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 02:33:27 pm by secfan30
Quote from: HoopS on January 28, 2015, 09:37:45 am
because the complaints are constant.

Insert The Joker clapping here.

Perfectly said. The complainers take every opportunity to point out faults and short comings, including complaining when some one points out a positive.

poloprince

As long as Mike wins 16 out of 20, he can coach the way he wants and play the guys he wants. I hate social media and the fact that TRUE fans have to listen to all the garbage that is spewed about a team that has a 80% win percentage this season.  Well keep tweeting, facebook, etc and the Hogs will keep winning ugly or not.

Kentucky has all top tier prospects and should be winning by 20+ every night, but they are not.  I guess there fan base appears to be much smarter than some hog fans, they could care less how the games are won.
$PoLoPrInCe$

Hawg Red

Quote from: poloprince on January 28, 2015, 10:18:43 am
As long as Mike wins 16 out of 20, he can coach the way he wants and play the guys he wants. I hate social media and the fact that TRUE fans have to listen to all the garbage that is spewed about a team that has a 80% win percentage this season.  Well keep tweeting, facebook, etc and the Hogs will keep winning ugly or not.

Kentucky has all top tier prospects and should be winning by 20+ every night, but they are not.  I guess there fan base appears to be much smarter than some hog fans, they could care less how the games are won.

Kentucky has only not advanced beyond the Sweet 16 once since Calipari has been there. You don't think Kentucky fans would be super restless and calling for Anderson's head even if they had made the tournament by now? And they were plenty concerned last season until they went on that postseason run. At Kentucky, you get the benefit of the doubt. The Hogs haven't earned that yet. We see teams that looked destined for the tourney fall off every year. People see the way we're playing right now and that think that we could be one of those teams, and it's hard to reassure them that it can't happen because we haven't been dancing since 2008. That's the difference between Kentucky and Arkansas fans.

PonderinHog

Quote from: secfan30 on January 28, 2015, 10:16:39 am
Insert The Joker clapping here.

Perfectly said. The complainers take every opportunity to point out faults and short comings, including co palining when some one points out a positive.
You do realize we only have one 2015 recruit signed, don't you?  /s

Pork Twain

Quote from: HawgTrough on January 28, 2015, 09:32:41 am
this thread gets made hourly
Threads like this are why people gripe.  I say this because rarley are new threads created, but numerous times a day there is a thread telling everyone that they should shut up and be happy.  I do not really need any noob telling me that.  I am happy with our win total but I am also enough of a student of the game to realize everything is not great ant that there are still issues on this team that have been there since day one.  Effectiveness of our press and working through screens being the biggest.

That is all.  Please return to telling us all how happy we should be.
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Amityvillehogger

Quote from: vegas hog on January 28, 2015, 09:31:20 am
The hogs are having one of their best seasons in years and people are griping. Enjoy the ride. It looks like we will make the tourney. Look at our RPI. Best in a long time. We also are the only team to beat Georgia on their home floor. Our winning percentage is 80%. How many other teams would love to have that. Put things in perspective. Our team will have shown improvement in the w column every year since MA HAS BEEN here. That is the goal. Win more games every year. Some of our fan base wants the wins and then wants to gripe in the fashion that it is done.

I do show my appreciation. I've been showing up to games. Have you?
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Dirty

Quote from: Hawg Red on January 28, 2015, 10:23:02 am
Kentucky has only not advanced beyond the Sweet 16 once since Calipari has been there. You don't think Kentucky fans would be super restless and calling for Anderson's head even if they had made the tournament by now? And they were plenty concerned last season until they went on that postseason run. At Kentucky, you get the benefit of the doubt. The Hogs haven't earned that yet. We see teams that looked destined for the tourney fall off every year. People see the way we're playing right now and that think that we could be one of those teams, and it's hard to reassure them that it can't happen because we haven't been dancing since 2008. That's the difference between Kentucky and Arkansas fans.

News Flash!!! We are not Kentucky!!!!

Hawg Red

Quote from: Dirty on January 28, 2015, 10:33:14 am
News Flash!!! We are not Kentucky!!!!

News Flash!!!

That's my point.

Good god.

troyer37

i feel as if we are better then the way we are playing. Some of these teams we should be blowing out and we havent had a game yet. Or at least be winning by double digits. I think I just need to realize we are not as good as I thought at the beginning of the season.

 

HawgTrough

Quote from: troyer37 on January 28, 2015, 10:56:42 am
i feel as if we are better then the way we are playing. Some of these teams we should be blowing out and we havent had a game yet. Or at least be winning by double digits. I think I just need to realize we are not as good as I thought at the beginning of the season.

Kentucky has played 6 conference games. They went into overtime against Ole Miss and aTm and a single digit win versus Vanderbilt. And we are talking about a team that has been considered as one of "the most talented teams ever". Just win baby, the rest will take care of itself.
WPS

MikePiazza

Mike's best team at Mizzou (2008-09), the Tigers were 18-4 and 5-2 in the Big 12 heading into February.

This team nearly at that same pace (and that MU team played two extra non-conference games).
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim. Millions of families suffer every year.

rude1

Unfortunately our fans can't wait for the monster to get built before demanding that it be fed. Double digit wins are the only thing acceptable around here.

PennHOG

The thing is.  These opponents that we're barely beating have some talent and athleticism.  The coaches are giving them game plans that smother our strengths and expose our weaknesses.  That's what good coaches do. 

Plus, Ole Miss just played out of their minds!  They did the same to an awesome Kentucky team that people are saying may be the best defensive college team in history.

In years past our team would fold in these tight games.  I know they did last year for sure.

I'm thinking what is happening in these tight wins is that these coaches can counter every one of Mike Anderson's moves except Qualls and Madden driving inside and icing the games with made free throws.

I'm particularly impressed with the way Qualls was able to highten his focus at the end of the last few games and nail critical free throws.  Last night Madden did the same by nailing critical free throws when the pressure was on. 

That's how we are different from last year in my opinion.  We're probably going to continue to see close games because we don't have unlimited options for opposing coaches to try and shut down.
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Bigmac2

Just getting by will not get you very far come tourney time. If your goal is to be a one and done for the tourney then you can be non-critical of their play. If you would like to see them go further then I see nothing wrong with discussing their weaknesses that have been shown. But in the same breath be proud of their improvement and hope they improve on their weaknesses. Is this team as good as they can be with their talent and potential?

opineonswine

The wins (and losses) haven't been pretty for the most part.  We struggle.  Yet we are 17 and 18 in RPI this late in the season (though MUCH left to play).  How quickly we forget those LONG down years.  Hopefully we are headed in the right direction and the team can continue to improve and gel as we head toward March.

Hollywood_HOGan45

Quote from: Bigmac2 on January 28, 2015, 11:36:21 am
Just getting by will not get you very far come tourney time. If your goal is to be a one and done for the tourney then you can be non-critical of their play. If you would like to see them go further then I see nothing wrong with discussing their weaknesses that have been shown. But in the same breath be proud of their improvement and hope they improve on their weaknesses. Is this team as good as they can be with their talent and potential?

Here's the thing about the NCAA Tournament:
Absolutley anything can happen. You think Kentucky fans thought their team was going to the final game last year after we beat them at home and then got crushed at South Carolina?
How about Uconn? They barely even got in the Big East tournament in 2011 and even last year when they won the whole thing with 11 losses.

Not saying Arkansas will win the whole thing but just because we are not playing well right now doesnt mean a whole lot when it comes to post season success.

ErieHog

Quote from: hawg IQ on January 28, 2015, 09:57:24 am
Does it not seem like teams are just shooting lights out against us. I know hogs defense is not good, but man it looked like tenner had 5 all sec players out there at times also..
  I think one thing that is missing on this team is we have Portis, Qualls that can just catch fire at times and others can't ?

  I thought tenner played a lot of zone and were mugging portis inside and stupid refs was letting it go. We really need that outside threat to never miss a 3,  if left open.

The real story on this team lies ahead. Nolan's teams got hot in February and March, if MA can do the same, hogs could make a deep run into tourney, if not well this is prob the best MA can do.

In short, no, it does not seem like teams are shooting lights out against us.

Some teams shoot well against us; some do not.

The Tennessee team that 'looked like it had 5 All-SEC players at times'?   Shot 43% from the field, and 35% from 3.      That is the textbook definition of looking average at best, on offense.

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PonderinHog

NCAAT is all about matchups.  If we avoid an ISU early, we could easily make the sweet sixteen.  Let's get there and then worry about it.

elksnort

Quote from: Hawg Red on January 28, 2015, 10:34:09 am
News Flash!!!

That's my point.

Good god.
The last phrase said in James Brown voice!

hawg IQ

Quote from: ErieHog on January 28, 2015, 11:53:46 am
In short, no, it does not seem like teams are shooting lights out against us.

Some teams shoot well against us; some do not.

The Tennessee team that 'looked like it had 5 All-SEC players at times'?   Shot 43% from the field, and 35% from 3.      That is the textbook definition of looking average at best, on offense.


and your fix would be ?
go hogs go !

tophawg19

Quote from: rude1 on January 28, 2015, 11:29:02 am
Unfortunately our fans can't wait for the monster to get built before demanding that it be fed. Double digit wins are the only thing acceptable around here.
how long do you think it takes ? 4 years is enough . next year will likely be a step back. maybe big time .
if you ain't a hawg you ain't chitlins

Pork Twain

Quote from: HoopS on January 28, 2015, 09:37:45 am
because the complaints are constant.
Are they?  I must have missed all of those threads.
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MissippHog

Quote from: Bigmac2 on January 28, 2015, 11:36:21 am
Just getting by will not get you very far come tourney time. If your goal is to be a one and done for the tourney then you can be non-critical of their play. If you would like to see them go further then I see nothing wrong with discussing their weaknesses that have been shown. But in the same breath be proud of their improvement and hope they improve on their weaknesses. Is this team as good as they can be with their talent and potential?
So all it takes is for us to discuss their weaknesses over and over and over and then we will go further in the tournament?

lefty08

Quote from: Pork Twain on January 28, 2015, 05:54:01 pm
Are they?  I must have missed responded in all of those threads.

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Pork Twain

These are some pretty good nights.

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Pork Twain

Quote from: lefty08 on January 28, 2015, 06:08:05 pm
FIFY
That is really not the point though is it.  The ones that are not thrilled with every aspect of this team are not the ones that insist on creating endless threads trying to convince everyone their way is the only way.
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Dirty


Pork Twain

Quote from: Dirty on January 28, 2015, 06:15:53 pm
We lost those?
Again, not the point, but we did lose some of them.  I am thrilled we are winning, but I am unwilling to pretend like our perimeter defense does not need some work.
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lefty08

Quote from: Pork Twain on January 28, 2015, 06:14:09 pm
That is really not the point though is it.  The ones that are not thrilled with every aspect of this team are not the ones that insist on creating endless threads trying to convince everyone their way is the only way.

Only because the threads are being made for them. Every thread is hijacked, in either direction. It works both ways
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Pork Twain

Quote from: lefty08 on January 28, 2015, 06:18:52 pm
Only because the threads are being made for them. Every thread is hijacked, in either direction. It works both ways
As I said earlier, where are all the threads for the other side?  All I see is thread after thread telling us all to shut up and be happy.  I am happy but there are still areas we can improve.  I keep forgetting we can't talk about stuff like that.  As long as threads like this continue to be created, I will continue to respond to every one I see.
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lefty08

Quote from: Pork Twain on January 28, 2015, 06:22:30 pm
As I said earlier, where are all the threads for the other side?  All I see is thread after thread telling us all to shut up and be happy.  I am happy but there are still areas we can improve.  I keep forgetting we can't talk about stuff like that.

For someone who thinks you're being censored you sure do have a lot to say
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Pork Twain

Quote from: lefty08 on January 28, 2015, 06:23:20 pm
For someone who thinks you're being censored you sure do have a lot to say
Who said anything about being censored?  I am talking about fellow posters, not mods or admins and I know this is a privately owned board and censorship does not apply.  Nice try though.

Pat yourself on the back.  Much like every other thread I post in, it turns into this.  Lets not discuss our concerns rationally, lets go after the poster.  You don't see me doing that.  I am happy with our record but still have concerns.  Do you have anything concerning those or just more shots at me?
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lefty08

Quote from: Pork Twain on January 28, 2015, 06:22:30 pm
As I said earlier, where are all the threads for the other side?  All I see is thread after thread telling us all to shut up and be happy.  I am happy but there are still areas we can improve.  I keep forgetting we can't talk about stuff like that. As long as threads like this continue to be created, I will continue to respond to every one I see.

Hmmmm......
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Pork Twain

Quote from: lefty08 on January 28, 2015, 06:27:32 pm
Hmmmm......
Because if anyone brings up any concerns, we have to deal with this.  Bravo...
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lefty08

Quote from: Pork Twain on January 28, 2015, 06:31:03 pm
Because if anyone brings up any concerns, we have to deal with this.  Bravo...

Yep, and we all have to deal with the negative nonsense as well. Like I said, it's a 2 way street. Seems pretty clear to me, not sure why u can't understand that. That's the last thing I'll say
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