Would you rather

[mizzouman]

See an offense like you are seeing with the Hogs or something similar to Baylor? 

I know, whatever wins games.

But let's say you go 8-4, 9-3, 10-2.  Would you rather see pound and ground or spread?

Just curious.

[RagingHawgOn]

I'm not a huge fan of the spread. I love the pro-style offense and will love it more when we have all the pieces to make it work like a machine.

[Andrew Hogfan]

Ground and pound.  An 80 yard run is much much prettier to me than an 80 yard pass.

[Hayden1865]

Ground. Nothing more satisfying in sports than be able to run over and physically whip a team.

In my opinion at least.

[RazrRila99]

I like what we have.  I cant stand the pure shotgun/Prairie Dog offenses that most colleges run today. 

I wish they would change the rules that once the offense gets to the line of scrimmage and the lineman (or anyone) get into stance unless you are in motion its a false start.  I cant stand the whole run to the line of scrimmage, squat, pop up, re-squat, etc.

[mizzouman]

Ground and pound.  An 80 yard run is much much prettier to me than an 80 yard pass.

Does ground and pound include 80 yard runs or more along the lines of 3 yards and a cloud of dust? 

[RazrRila99]

Does ground and pound include 80 yard runs or more along the lines of 3 yards and a cloud of dust? 

Ground and pound includes the 80yd run.  See Arkansas ala Darren McFadden/Felix Jones/Peyton Hillis. 

[mizzouman]

Ground. Nothing more satisfying in sports than be able to run over and physically whip a team.

In my opinion at least.

Basically submit them to your will?  In other words, you can join our huddle but you still can't stop us kind of thing right?

[Smokehouse]

Hogs offense all the way.

[mizzouman]

Ground and pound includes the 80yd run.  See Arkansas ala Darren McFadden/Felix Jones/Peyton Hillis. 

Fair enough.  So basically run and set up play action.

[Hog Villager]

Does ground and pound include 80 yard runs or more along the lines of 3 yards and a cloud of dust?

Whatever it is, i'll take it.

11/27/2015 Associated Press
Collins' 3 TDs leads Arkansas past Missouri

http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400603912

[Youngsta71701]

I'll take a balanced pro-style offense any day of the week.

[mizzouman]

Whatever it is, i'll take it.

11/27/2015 Associated Press
Collins' 3 TDs leads Arkansas past Missouri

http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400603912

Thanks.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400548325
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/280010008

[Biggus Piggus]

See an offense like you are seeing with the Hogs or something similar to Baylor? 

I know, whatever wins games.

But let's say you go 8-4, 9-3, 10-2.  Would you rather see pound and ground or spread?

Just curious.

The offensive scheme itself is no issue. The quality of the offensive line is. All the problems Arkansas has had this season on offense originate with the Oline.

[BigSexyHog]

I don't care as long as the hogs win

[Wildhog]

If we're going to recruit OL the way we have been, then spread.

Otherwise, pro-style.

[jkstock04]

See an offense like you are seeing with the Hogs or something similar to Baylor? 

I know, whatever wins games.

But let's say you go 8-4, 9-3, 10-2.  Would you rather see pound and ground or spread?

Just curious.

Most on this board prefer old school. I'm one that literally dgaf...8-10 wins/year? I'm happy with any style that gives the Hogs that.

I don't care if the score is 3-0 or 63-56

[mizzouman]

The offensive scheme itself is no issue. The quality of the offensive line is. All the problems Arkansas has had this season on offense originate with the Oline.

With the spread, the offensive line doesn't have to think as much.

[mizzouman]

Most on this board prefer old school. I'm one that literally dgaf...8-10 wins/year? I'm happy with any style that gives the Hogs that.

I don't care if the score is 3-0 or 63-56

Yes.  But, if you win 8-10 games, which would you rather see?  I guess what I'm asking is would you rather sit through a 10-3 win or a 56-24 win?  I guess  you already answered.

[goodguytex]

I don't like HUNH, I don't like run and shoot, fun and gun or whatever else it's called.

I have no problem with a more run oriented spread though. I like petrino offense he ran at Arkansas. I like bielema pro style play action too.

Nutt became so one dimensional he'd run it no matter what almost. It was embarrassing. Bielema has proven he doesn't have a problem passing the ball through play action.

[Biggus Piggus]

We have plays blow up because one wide receiver fails to chip one guy then turn and block a second guy. It's a lot to ask.

[HotlantaHog]

A scheme that matches the talent you have on hand. Either is fine with me... so long as you can execute it.

[alohawg]

The offensive scheme itself is no issue. The quality of the offensive line is. All the problems Arkansas has had this season on offense originate with the Oline.

This in a nutshell.

[S.A.D.C]

See an offense like you are seeing with the Hogs or something similar to Baylor? 

I know, whatever wins games.

But let's say you go 8-4, 9-3, 10-2.  Would you rather see pound and ground or spread?

Just curious.

Setting aside the fact that there are more than 2 options for offensive schemes...
Can we stop with the "ground and pound" propaganda?   Based our offense over the last 10 games you can hardly call this a ground and pound offense. Look at the offensive stats from last year in the SEC...

[26.2Hog]

I hate sissy ball.  Would rather line up, and do like Dizzy Dean said.  Show em who's boss, and take the white meat.

[Cinco de Hogo]

I would take Petrino's "power spread" everyday and twice on Sunday's over any other.  The problem at Arkansas is getting the players necessary to run whatever it is you prefer.

Doesn't matter if it's three yards and a cloud of dust, if you give Arksnsas the players to win with it and I'm gonna like it. 

I think you guys need to go buy you some players so you can have your cake and eat it too.

[WashUhog6]

I'm not really sure why we're still calling it "ground and pound." Allen threw for 371 yards Saturday night, and that's not even going into how BA shredded everyone in the second half of last year. We may still like to run the ball a lot, but the Arkansas offense has evolved over the last 2 years. The only reason anyone is still talking about "ground and pound" is because that's what Bielema's teams did so much of at Wisconsin and during the first 2 years here. Our offense has changed significantly with Dan Enos at OC.

[Cinco de Hogo]

I'm not really sure why we're still calling it "ground and pound." Allen threw for 371 yards Saturday night, and that's not even going into how BA shredded everyone in the second half of last year. We may still like to run the ball a lot, but the Arkansas offense has evolved over the last 2 years. The only reason anyone is still talking about "ground and pound" is because that's what Bielema's teams did so much of at Wisconsin and during the first 2 years here. Our offense has changed significantly with Dan Enos at OC.

Quite so!

[Oklahawg]

We have plays blow up because one wide receiver fails to chip one guy then turn and block a second guy. It's a lot to ask.

It is why I wonder how Hatcher ever leaves the field. He is by far our best blocking WR. Morgan isn't bad. Reed is a regular whiff.  Austin Cantrell can bulldoze a path pretty well - he could be a nice option that allows Sprinkle to get into the secondary on play-action (when not needed as a blocker).

Y'think it might be good this week to throw a pass or two to someone not named: Sprinkle (TE), Hatcher, Cornelius, Reed, Morgan, and Hollister (WR)? Lots of game experience there graduating this year (except Cornelius, although knowing our luck he'll declare early for no apparent reason).

[Oklahawg]

When it clicks, UA's scheme scores plenty of points. There have been plenty of big plays when we have things clicking (think last half of 2015).

[HogBreath]

Most on this board prefer old school. I'm one that literally dgaf...8-10 wins/year? I'm happy with any style that gives the Hogs that.

I don't care if the score is 3-0 or 63-56

Nicely stated.

[RazorbackToTheFuture]

Ground and pound includes the 80yd run.  See Arkansas ala Darren McFadden/Felix Jones/Peyton Hillis.

We ran way too many smoke draws in Nutt's day.  How he squandered away that group of talent I'll never know.

[Biggus Piggus]

I'm not really sure why we're still calling it "ground and pound." Allen threw for 371 yards Saturday night, and that's not even going into how BA shredded everyone in the second half of last year. We may still like to run the ball a lot, but the Arkansas offense has evolved over the last 2 years. The only reason anyone is still talking about "ground and pound" is because that's what Bielema's teams did so much of at Wisconsin and during the first 2 years here. Our offense has changed significantly with Dan Enos at OC.

If the Hogs could run better, they would run more often.

Austin Allen in the first half of Saturday's game: 12-15 165 yards 1 TD

Holy crap! That's awesome.

Arkansas's rushing game in the first half: 20-84 yards 1 TD

The second half numbers:

Allen 16-27 206 yards 1 TD
Running game 20-36 yards

In the third quarter, Allen had only 4-7 for 50 yards. We rushed 15 times for 40 yards.

Through three quarters, 16-22 passing for 215 yards, 35-124 rushing. Play selection was 61% run. Yah.

Strangely, the running game was effective only in the second quarter. Rest of game was awful. Excluding the second quarter, Arkansas's rushing stats (ex-sack) were:

27 carries, 46 yards

and that is bad. Why did Arkansas's running game get worse in the third quarter, even poorer in the fourth?

[S.A.D.C]

If the Hogs could run better, they would run more often.

Austin Allen in the first half of Saturday's game: 12-15 165 yards 1 TD

Holy crap! That's awesome.

Arkansas's rushing game in the first half: 20-84 yards 1 TD

The second half numbers:

Allen 16-27 206 yards 1 TD
Running game 20-36 yards

In the third quarter, Allen had only 4-7 for 50 yards. We rushed 15 times for 40 yards.

Through three quarters, 16-22 passing for 215 yards, 35-124 rushing. Play selection was 61% run. Yah.

Strangely, the running game was effective only in the second quarter. Rest of game was awful. Excluding the second quarter, Arkansas's rushing stats (ex-sack) were:

27 carries, 46 yards

and that is bad. Why did Arkansas's running game get worse in the third quarter, even poorer in the fourth?

Very interesting stats...
I think the 2nd quarter numbers are only good because of the long RWIII run. 
Surprised the third quarter was so bad because we had a 9:00 drive.  But now that I think about it that drive was almost all pass and penalty yardage.  Is that the longest pass-driven drive in history?? 

[GoHogs1091]

I'd like to see an Offense that uses concepts/plays from the following three Offenses.

Ohio State's running plays.  That 1 run play (a sweep) that Ohio State gashed Alabama with apparently impressed Nick Saban that he implemented it and started using it the next season at Alabama.

Clemson's passing plays, particularly their quick passing game, tunnel screens, and far outside vertical down the sideline passing.

Florida's screen plays.  In the early stage of their game at Tennessee, Florida did 2 different screen plays that were masterful.  One went for a lot of yardage.  The second one scored a Touchdown.  The first one was exactly like what Doug Nussmeier used when he was the OC at Alabama.

[factchecker]

Simple answer:  Which ever method wins the game.

With that being said.  In recent history Arkansas has had games in which they've passed for 7 TD's and thrown for 400 plus yards in a LOSING effort.

On the other hand, when we run for over 400 and have over 5 rushing touchdowns we win by a large margin.

So, all things equal, if I could choose to either run or pass in a blowout victory.... the answer would be to run, run, run, and run some more. 

ADD:  A great run game and clock control offense can mask an average defense.

[Hog Villager]

Thanks.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400548325
http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/280010008

Are all Missouri fans shortbus like you? Your first link is to Bielemas second year of a full rebuild where some might say we were winning that game until our starting QB got hurt and the coach kept him in the game for some reason.

Your second link is to your cotton bowl win in 2008 that has absolutely nothing to do with the system in place now with an entirely different coaching staff.  That's what we're talking about here right? What style of play is better?

Your lame attempt reveals you as the troll you are. Go away.

[mizzouman]

Setting aside the fact that there are more than 2 options for offensive schemes...
Can we stop with the "ground and pound" propaganda?   Based our offense over the last 10 games you can hardly call this a ground and pound offense. Look at the offensive stats from last year in the SEC...

Fair point.  Basically, I wanting to know Pro Style vs. Spread.

[Youngsta71701]

Simple answer:  Which ever method wins the game.

With that being said.  In recent history Arkansas has had games in which they've passed for 7 TD's and thrown for 400 plus yards in a LOSING effort.

On the other hand, when we run for over 400 and have over 5 rushing touchdowns we win by a large margin.

So, all things equal, if I could choose to either run or pass in a blowout victory.... the answer would be to run, run, run, and run some more. 

ADD:  A great run game and clock control offense can mask an average defense.

Great point that a lot of people don't understand when it comes to this TOP thing. It also give them time to rest and catch their breath. Sure I wouldn't have an issue scoring on every play. But the more your offense is on the field the less your defense is on field. Pretty simple concept right. Especially if your defense is questionable. And you have to admit it's a beautiful thing to see a 15 play 7:00 minute drive capped off with a touchdown. Beautiful thing especially against the teams that want to hurry up all the time.

[Theolesnort]

What about you Mizzouriman, do you like the spread girly sissy ball?

[Cinco de Hogo]

I had rather have a team go on a three minute scoring drive than one that goes on a three minute, three and out.  Some are assuming that just because you run your favorite offense you are going to score and not just score but score more than your opponent.  When we score more than our opponents we win.  TOP doesn't guarantee that.  I like a good mix, 300 passing, 200 rushing would be great.  Game doesn't get boring from watching two or three plays the whole game plus there is probably a very good reason nobody actually does that anymore.

[lstewart]

I prefer a balanced pro style offense that allows you to run or pass equally well. Basically what you see on Sunday's from the better NFL teams. This is what the current Hog offense should have the ability to do eventually this season, and what we saw with Mallett running the offense a few years ago. 250 to 300 yards passing, 150 plus yards rushing. Not a fan of the spread throw it every down no defense games that end 56-54. But also not a fan of field position and punt 10-3 type games. I'm fine with a run heavy mix if it is working, but drives me a little crazy if we can't (or won't) do something else when it is not successful. All that said, if my team is not real good, say a 6 or 7 win team, I would prefer them to have an exciting offense that can move the ball and score points, at least making you feel like they have a shot. Nothing worse that following a team that is not very good, and that can't move the ball and score some points. I would prefer to lose 38-28 than 10-0.

[k.c.hawg]

I love a pro style offense that runs the ball well enough to make big plays on play action in the passing game as the base offense. I still want to see the ability to throw effectively out of 3 wide, 4 wide if necessary. I've also been an NFL season ticket holder for 23 years and that probably has influenced my offensive preferences.

[HoopS]

I prefer balance.

And that's why I complained about our goalline sets because they allowed a stacked box and no running lanes. If we were a true ground and pound, I guess that would be ok. But we aren't. We are balanced. Somewhat.

My only wish for this offense schematically is that we adjust out of tight formations if we see it isn't working like last weekend.

[MJ2]

Here are some facts-   since Petrino was let go (rightfully so I should say),  Petrino has gone 29-13 at Western KY and Louisville.   The Hogs under John L. and CBB have gone 25-29.    His style is continually producing winners, while ours is always looking to next year or piling up the moral victories.    I'm for winning.

[hogsanity]

offense puts people in the seats, defense wins championships.

[Youngsta71701]

I prefer balance.

And that's why I complained about our goalline sets because they allowed a stacked box and no running lanes. If we were a true ground and pound, I guess that would be ok. But we aren't. We are balanced. Somewhat.

My only wish for this offense schematically is that we adjust out of tight formations if we see it isn't working like last weekend.

And that we mix in the pass or play-action pass a little more on 1st down to keep the defense honest. When we do that we're at our best.

[Youngsta71701]

Here are some facts-   since Petrino was let go (rightfully so I should say),  Petrino has gone 29-13 at Western KY and Louisville.   The Hogs under John L. and CBB have gone 25-29.    His style is continually producing winners, while ours is always looking to next year or piling up the moral victories.    I'm for winning.

That record is a little bit skewed also because Western Kentucky and Louisville don't play in what's been consistently the toughest conference and division in America. Now don't get me wrong I do believe that if he would have stayed at Arkansas his system would have been still in place and we would have continued to win. But he hung himself. Just my opinion though.

[HoopS]

And that we mix in the pass or play-action pass a little more on 1st down to keep the defense honest. When we do that we're at our best.

exactly. I was saying that "we are setting something up" but no, we weren't.

[factchecker]

Here are some facts-   since Petrino was let go (rightfully so I should say),  Petrino has gone 29-13 at Western KY and Louisville.   The Hogs under John L. and CBB have gone 25-29.    His style is continually producing winners, while ours is always looking to next year or piling up the moral victories.    I'm for winning.

1.  What does Petrino have to do with this discussion?

2.  Which one of our current 3-1 record is a moral victory?  Which one of our 9-2 record over the past 11 games is a moral victory?  Nobody besides the trolls are saying we should have beat AnM this past weekend.  However, there are plenty of Razorback fans who buy into the "moral loss" theory.  These are the one's saying we are lucky and really should be a 1-3 team.