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bphi11ips

June 17, 2017, 07:37:38 am #100 Last Edit: June 17, 2017, 07:51:36 am by bphi11ips
Quote from: WilsonHog on June 17, 2017, 07:31:52 am
JFB: "Fans remember what you did in November."

More like this:  "Fans reMEMbah what you do in NovEMbah."
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

rhames

Quote from: ricepig on June 17, 2017, 07:10:20 am
It's simple, you win your last game of the season, 2014, 2015, you talk about building it one way, you lose little me in 2013 and 2016, you use a different motivator. It's just coach speak for off season workouts, some try to make a mountain out of a mole hill........


I get that is coach speech. Bret's style, as I feel he is probably a very positive guy, gets a little old.


Every year he literally says the same thing before the season and then at the first loss he does the same. Last year was something to the effect of "this is the team I feel most comfortable with and know the most since I've been here."  Obviously I am paraphrasing here.


It's kind of a reach to spin losing those last two, in the fashion they did, as a positive. Especially after we heard the same thing after the Auburn game and other times after they've been embarrassed. Bottom line is stuff like that doesn't sit well when his team's have been so inconsistent


Maybe say something like:

" You can really tell I'm not the only one finding motivation on how last season ended. You can see if in the players. They seem to have a sense of urgency to not let that happen. They have to remember how they felt during after those games. Continue to use it as motivation. Not give up at the first sign of adversity which every team will truly face when you play in the best division in the best conference. Hopefully they bring that to the field. I think they will"



There's coach speech and then there's used car salesman speech. It's a very fine line. Hahaha


"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken"

"Can we get some waffles after we get some ass?" - Aunt Tiffany Freeman

Quote from: Hamdsome 1 on September 05, 2023, 06:43:26 pmSTHU. I get in more steps per day, at work, than you could possibly fathom.
The only down time my legs see is when seated in 1st Class.

 

LZH

.....or, he could say something like "well hell, they kept Houston Nutt around here for ten freakin' years, so I'll just throw out something that kinda sounds good 'cause I've got it made no matter what."

FANONTHEHILL

My name has been mentioned in a few posts in this thread and I want to be clear about what I meant in other posts, rather than have anyone tell everyone what I meant.  Last season was the most frustrating season I have seen in years and was even more so for the players and coaches.  The approach that the coaches took remained consistent from fall camp through the Belk Bowl. The same level of preparation that beat TCU, Ole Miss, and Florida was there for Auburn, Missouri, and Va Tech.  I sat on the 50 yard line, 4 rows up at the Belk Bowl and as the meltdown was taking place, you could see and hear the coaches telling the players "this is what they showed on film", "we knew they would make these changes".  The players simply didn't respond.  I've asked my son numerous times if they were ready.  He had the benefit of working some scout team offense last year, so he sat in in defensive and offensive meetings.  Sure, there were a couple formations that they hadn't been show on film, but the concepts were scouted and prepared for on the offensive side of the ball.  Defensively, the preparation was consistent, but scheme and utilization of personnel was flawed.  One defensive captain broke his hand and separated his shoulder (Deatrich), the best LB on the team went down (Dre) and the nickel back tore his pec (K-Rich).  After A&M's QB had 3 rushes for 150yds, the d-line was told to contain rather than pressure.  That resulted in Brooks having to chase slot receivers across the field.  The d-coordinator didn't adapt and combine that with the way he treated people and consequently he earned himself a bus ticket Minnesota.  These are the frustrations and tensions that people often refer to.  Brooks brought these issues up on the Mattingly show.

So back to the Bielema quote that started this thread.  It's coach speak and also Bielema speak.  Here is the translation that the players are taking to heart.

Last year was an embarrassment.  You earn what you get.  The team lives by what they call the Five Edges and they failed to follow those in 2016.  The failures of 2016 were a tremendous wake up call for the young men on the team.  There had been an increased intensity that began as soon as the semester started in January.  No one has been late to a workout, many players are attending the optional Saturday "day off" workouts.  Herbert has pushed them harder than ever before.  My son told me after the first two weeks of off season that it was "the hardest thing I've ever done". I replied to him that the second half of Missouri and VaTech was " the hardest thing the fan base has ever done. Go to work".  Everyone here talks about anything from 4-8 to 7-5 to 12-0.  The team is focused on one thing FAMU.  None of us have any idea how the season will play out. That's why the team focuses on one week at an time "1-0".  The only thing I can guarantee is that hey will have 9 months of preparation to unload on FAMU in Little Rock on August 31st. 
Favorite quote from practice.  Made to my son:<br /><br /><br />Technique is nice, but it comes down to this.  Block the F'er in front of you. - Sam Pittman 2015

rhames

That's great to hear (read) 


Thanks for the clarification. Makes me more comfortable knowing there is consistency from week to week. A lot.


Thanks FOTH
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken"

"Can we get some waffles after we get some ass?" - Aunt Tiffany Freeman

Quote from: Hamdsome 1 on September 05, 2023, 06:43:26 pmSTHU. I get in more steps per day, at work, than you could possibly fathom.
The only down time my legs see is when seated in 1st Class.

Hoggish1

I've analyzed the season and have come to the conclusion that we are a 9-3 team at worst but could easily be 10-2.

Take it to the bank!

Hoggish1

Quote from: PonderinHog on June 16, 2017, 10:07:48 am
Mizzou and VA Tech  got their attention?  They're now focused and determined to finish games?

That's my take. 

Finishing games will require a great O-line with stamina.  Do we finally have one like that?  This is the year that Anderson proves he's got what it takes, or he's gone...

I believe we have that kind of O-line.

FANONTHEHILL

Quote from: rhames on June 17, 2017, 08:11:28 am
That's great to hear (read) 


Thanks for the clarification. Makes me more comfortable knowing there is consistency from week to week. A lot.


Thanks FOTH

As I have transitioned from fan to fan/player parent in the last two years, I've learned that the two are totally different worlds.  After a bad loss, we come here and vent until the next Saturday night.  In college football when you win, the fan base thinks you'll never lose again and there is no excuse for the last loss.  When you lose, you'll never when again and didn't deserve the ones you did.  The players and staff have to live by the 1-0 philosophy.  After Auburn last year I asked my son the next day what he thought the problem was at Auburn.  He told me it didn't matter, "we have Ole Miss in 6 days". Sometimes the 18-22 year olds are more "adult" than the fans.

Appreciate your posts and opinions. Have a good weekend.
Favorite quote from practice.  Made to my son:<br /><br /><br />Technique is nice, but it comes down to this.  Block the F'er in front of you. - Sam Pittman 2015

FANONTHEHILL

Quote from: Hoggish1 on June 17, 2017, 08:18:14 am
That's my take. 

Finishing games will require a great O-line with stamina.  Do we finally have one like that?  This is the year that Anderson proves he's got what it takes, or he's gone...

I believe we have that kind of O-line.

Against 7 and 8 man fronts, it's not just the Oline that needs to step up.  Need better blocking from RBs and TEs, better checks by Austin at line, and better play calling from Enos.  All these are being addressed.  I assure you that Anderson's job is beyond safe.
Favorite quote from practice.  Made to my son:<br /><br /><br />Technique is nice, but it comes down to this.  Block the F'er in front of you. - Sam Pittman 2015

gchamblee

Quote from: Hoggish1 on June 17, 2017, 08:18:14 am
That's my take. 

Finishing games will require a great O-line with stamina.  Do we finally have one like that?  This is the year that Anderson proves he's got what it takes, or he's gone...

I believe we have that kind of O-line.

?

Supermark101

Quote from: hogsanity on June 16, 2017, 10:06:30 am
It defines the program as it has always existed. Even in the best years, except 1964, THE BEST YEARS have never been good enough to be at the top of the heap.
What does 10 wins get you that 8 wins don't. And please do not say recruits. All I heard for a decade was " win games and they will come " then they went 21-5 and recruiting was no better, and possibly worse than average in the signing classes following 2010 and 2011.

As warmer bowl experience

tophawg19

Quote from: hogsanity on June 16, 2017, 10:22:18 am
Fine, win more, and still put nothing new in the trophy case. But then the fans can say " yea, we won 9 last year, and with a couple breaks we could have won 10 or even 11 " if that does it for you, great.
each bowl win brings a new trophy . And i hope your not stupid enough to be complaining about no N/C's right now. Alabama is on a historic roll tight now . No team in history has ever recruited as well and several SEC teams are close to that level. We were playing catch up in recruiting and still are . no other conference in history has had the run the sec west has had yet you are mad because progress is slow in overcoming the hole we were left in. It's good that J.Long is in charge and not a bunch of fans who aren't close to the program yet know all it takes to win it all
if you ain't a hawg you ain't chitlins

SPAL

Quote from: hogsanity on June 16, 2017, 10:16:12 am
Just as your answer was nothing, winning 10 gets a program nothing more than winning 8. Now it may let the fans beat their chest a little more, but it gets the program nothing.


I tend to agree.

 

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: hogsanity on June 16, 2017, 10:16:12 am
Just as your answer was nothing, winning 10 gets a program nothing more than winning 8. Now it may let the fans beat their chest a little more, but it gets the program nothing.

I disagree, it means more for recruiting and promotion of the program. 10 wins means a better bowl game and greater promotion of your program on a national basis and probably means that at least at some point you were in the hunt for a divisional championship. 8 wins doesn't buy that kind of notoriety. It may not include a division trophy or ring, but 10 wins does a lot for the program.
Go Hogs Go!

WilsonHog

Quote from: FANONTHEHILL on June 17, 2017, 08:06:41 am
My name has been mentioned in a few posts in this thread and I want to be clear about what I meant in other posts, rather than have anyone tell everyone what I meant.  Last season was the most frustrating season I have seen in years and was even more so for the players and coaches.  The approach that the coaches took remained consistent from fall camp through the Belk Bowl. The same level of preparation that beat TCU, Ole Miss, and Florida was there for Auburn, Missouri, and Va Tech.  I sat on the 50 yard line, 4 rows up at the Belk Bowl and as the meltdown was taking place, you could see and hear the coaches telling the players "this is what they showed on film", "we knew they would make these changes".  The players simply didn't respond.  I've asked my son numerous times if they were ready.  He had the benefit of working some scout team offense last year, so he sat in in defensive and offensive meetings.  Sure, there were a couple formations that they hadn't been show on film, but the concepts were scouted and prepared for on the offensive side of the ball.  Defensively, the preparation was consistent, but scheme and utilization of personnel was flawed.  One defensive captain broke his hand and separated his shoulder (Deatrich), the best LB on the team went down (Dre) and the nickel back tore his pec (K-Rich).  After A&M's QB had 3 rushes for 150yds, the d-line was told to contain rather than pressure.  That resulted in Brooks having to chase slot receivers across the field.  The d-coordinator didn't adapt and combine that with the way he treated people and consequently he earned himself a bus ticket Minnesota.  These are the frustrations and tensions that people often refer to.  Brooks brought these issues up on the Mattingly show.

So back to the Bielema quote that started this thread.  It's coach speak and also Bielema speak.  Here is the translation that the players are taking to heart.

Last year was an embarrassment.  You earn what you get.  The team lives by what they call the Five Edges and they failed to follow those in 2016.  The failures of 2016 were a tremendous wake up call for the young men on the team.  There had been an increased intensity that began as soon as the semester started in January.  No one has been late to a workout, many players are attending the optional Saturday "day off" workouts.  Herbert has pushed them harder than ever before.  My son told me after the first two weeks of off season that it was "the hardest thing I've ever done". I replied to him that the second half of Missouri and VaTech was " the hardest thing the fan base has ever done. Go to work".  Everyone here talks about anything from 4-8 to 7-5 to 12-0.  The team is focused on one thing FAMU.  None of us have any idea how the season will play out. That's why the team focuses on one week at an time "1-0".  The only thing I can guarantee is that hey will have 9 months of preparation to unload on FAMU in Little Rock on August 31st.

This man has joined a short list of "must read" posters for me.

seasonhog

Quote from: rhames on June 17, 2017, 07:48:01 am

I get that is coach speech. Bret's style, as I feel he is probably a very positive guy, gets a little old.


Every year he literally says the same thing before the season and then at the first loss he does the same. Last year was something to the effect of "this is the team I feel most comfortable with and know the most since I've been here."  Obviously I am paraphrasing here.


It's kind of a reach to spin losing those last two, in the fashion they did, as a positive. Especially after we heard the same thing after the Auburn game and other times after they've been embarrassed. Bottom line is stuff like that doesn't sit well when his team's have been so inconsistent


Maybe say something like:

" You can really tell I'm not the only one finding motivation on how last season ended. You can see if in the players. They seem to have a sense of urgency to not let that happen. They have to remember how they felt during after those games. Continue to use it as motivation. Not give up at the first sign of adversity which every team will truly face when you play in the best division in the best conference. Hopefully they bring that to the field. I think they will"



There's coach speech and then there's used car salesman speech. It's a very fine line. Hahaha

Coaching ....pure & simple....if this was a military battle.....it would not turn out good......to many times these players goes in to a game knowing they will lose....." COACHING "

snoblind

Quote from: FANONTHEHILL on June 17, 2017, 08:06:41 am
My name has been mentioned in a few posts in this thread and I want to be clear about what I meant in other posts, rather than have anyone tell everyone what I meant.  Last season was the most frustrating season I have seen in years and was even more so for the players and coaches.  The approach that the coaches took remained consistent from fall camp through the Belk Bowl. The same level of preparation that beat TCU, Ole Miss, and Florida was there for Auburn, Missouri, and Va Tech.  I sat on the 50 yard line, 4 rows up at the Belk Bowl and as the meltdown was taking place, you could see and hear the coaches telling the players "this is what they showed on film", "we knew they would make these changes".  The players simply didn't respond.  I've asked my son numerous times if they were ready.  He had the benefit of working some scout team offense last year, so he sat in in defensive and offensive meetings.  Sure, there were a couple formations that they hadn't been show on film, but the concepts were scouted and prepared for on the offensive side of the ball.  Defensively, the preparation was consistent, but scheme and utilization of personnel was flawed.  One defensive captain broke his hand and separated his shoulder (Deatrich), the best LB on the team went down (Dre) and the nickel back tore his pec (K-Rich).  After A&M's QB had 3 rushes for 150yds, the d-line was told to contain rather than pressure.  That resulted in Brooks having to chase slot receivers across the field.  The d-coordinator didn't adapt and combine that with the way he treated people and consequently he earned himself a bus ticket Minnesota.  These are the frustrations and tensions that people often refer to.  Brooks brought these issues up on the Mattingly show.

So back to the Bielema quote that started this thread.  It's coach speak and also Bielema speak.  Here is the translation that the players are taking to heart.

Last year was an embarrassment.  You earn what you get.  The team lives by what they call the Five Edges and they failed to follow those in 2016.  The failures of 2016 were a tremendous wake up call for the young men on the team.  There had been an increased intensity that began as soon as the semester started in January.  No one has been late to a workout, many players are attending the optional Saturday "day off" workouts.  Herbert has pushed them harder than ever before.  My son told me after the first two weeks of off season that it was "the hardest thing I've ever done". I replied to him that the second half of Missouri and VaTech was " the hardest thing the fan base has ever done. Go to work".  Everyone here talks about anything from 4-8 to 7-5 to 12-0.  The team is focused on one thing FAMU.  None of us have any idea how the season will play out. That's why the team focuses on one week at an time "1-0".  The only thing I can guarantee is that hey will have 9 months of preparation to unload on FAMU in Little Rock on August 31st. 

Hmm, let's see, am I going to buy FOTH's take or the usual Debbie Downers'' take on BB's statement?

;) 

Thanks, as usual, FOTH for the insight.

bphi11ips

Great post by FOTH.  It takes time and a bit of courage to openly share his perspective with us here.  It is that openness that gives him credibility.  His post above is encouraging.  I have greater expectations for the season after reading it, especially where defense is concerned. 

I'll add some personal perspective about the way the program in general is run.  I have a son who is a rising high school senior combo kicker.  He is at the Razorbacks specialist camp today.  This is his fourth camp of the week.  The agenda at Arkansas is extremely well organized.  Coach Bielema spoke to kick off the camp.  All of Arkansas's specialists are there and giving instruction.  There are meetings and video instruction in team meeting rooms.  None of that is what you see at a typical college specialist camp.  They are generally showcases for the coaching staff.  That's not to say there's anything wrong with the other camps, only that Arkansas's is different and, I believe, that reflects the head coach's passion for the players, anything that reflects on his program, and his attention to detail. 

I think everyone here agrees that recruiting to Arkansas is not easy.  It's more about location than anything else.  I do think that Arkansas is doing as good a job as anyone
right now of showcasing its program, coaches and players through its Summer camps, and I think that's important to recruits and parents.
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: Al Boarland on June 16, 2017, 09:25:22 am
If CBB doesn't have the personnel now to do what he wants to do he never will.


That's not a reasonable statement.
[CENSORED]!

PonderinHog

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on June 17, 2017, 12:03:42 pm
That's not a reasonable statement.
Serious question.  How can you not have your players' undivided attention after Auburn?  There's no rhyme or reason other than (maybe)  Auburn, Mizzou and VA Tech were road games,  Florida was anemic on offense, and LSU was just better than us.  Frustrating.

MemphisBossHog

Quote from: Wildhog on June 16, 2017, 10:20:07 am
I won't because I'm a hog fan.  My only agenda is re games.  I don't care what coach does it.  CBB, a new coach, whatever.  Just win more.that I want us to win more
I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. My heart wants to get excited and call the Hogs and day dream about going 10-2 and being relevant late in the season and all that, but my head sees the recruiting rankings for.....say.....the last several years and I just cant get past the talent gap that exists between the Hogs and the top 3rd to top half of the SEC. 

Its just hard to get past the fact that for at least 4 games this season (Bama, Auburn, LSU and A$M), it will be obvious which team has the team speed, talent and size.  When Ark is on the field with these guys, we look slower, smaller.  Thats a heck of a deficit to start a game with.  We just dont stack up talent wise with teams like those and until BB figures out how to get talent to come to Fayetteville in bigger numbers than he has so far, a 7 or 8 win season might be the best we can hope for and sometimes we might have to throw in a 5-7 or 6-6.  We cannot continue to come in around 9th through 12th in the SEC recruiting rankings and expect to have a chance at a 9 or 10 win season.  The SEC West is just too brutal. 

MemphisBossHog

Quote from: FANONTHEHILL on June 17, 2017, 08:06:41 am
My name has been mentioned in a few posts in this thread and I want to be clear about what I meant in other posts, rather than have anyone tell everyone what I meant.  Last season was the most frustrating season I have seen in years and was even more so for the players and coaches.  The approach that the coaches took remained consistent from fall camp through the Belk Bowl. The same level of preparation that beat TCU, Ole Miss, and Florida was there for Auburn, Missouri, and Va Tech.  I sat on the 50 yard line, 4 rows up at the Belk Bowl and as the meltdown was taking place, you could see and hear the coaches telling the players "this is what they showed on film", "we knew they would make these changes".  The players simply didn't respond.  I've asked my son numerous times if they were ready.  He had the benefit of working some scout team offense last year, so he sat in in defensive and offensive meetings.  Sure, there were a couple formations that they hadn't been show on film, but the concepts were scouted and prepared for on the offensive side of the ball.  Defensively, the preparation was consistent, but scheme and utilization of personnel was flawed.  One defensive captain broke his hand and separated his shoulder (Deatrich), the best LB on the team went down (Dre) and the nickel back tore his pec (K-Rich).  After A&M's QB had 3 rushes for 150yds, the d-line was told to contain rather than pressure.  That resulted in Brooks having to chase slot receivers across the field.  The d-coordinator didn't adapt and combine that with the way he treated people and consequently he earned himself a bus ticket Minnesota.  These are the frustrations and tensions that people often refer to.  Brooks brought these issues up on the Mattingly show.

So back to the Bielema quote that started this thread.  It's coach speak and also Bielema speak.  Here is the translation that the players are taking to heart.

Last year was an embarrassment.  You earn what you get.  The team lives by what they call the Five Edges and they failed to follow those in 2016.  The failures of 2016 were a tremendous wake up call for the young men on the team.  There had been an increased intensity that began as soon as the semester started in January.  No one has been late to a workout, many players are attending the optional Saturday "day off" workouts.  Herbert has pushed them harder than ever before.  My son told me after the first two weeks of off season that it was "the hardest thing I've ever done". I replied to him that the second half of Missouri and VaTech was " the hardest thing the fan base has ever done. Go to work".  Everyone here talks about anything from 4-8 to 7-5 to 12-0.  The team is focused on one thing FAMU.  None of us have any idea how the season will play out. That's why the team focuses on one week at an time "1-0".  The only thing I can guarantee is that hey will have 9 months of preparation to unload on FAMU in Little Rock on August 31st.
FOTH, thank you so much for your insight into the inner workings of the Hog football team.  As others on here have already noted, your posts are ones I will look forward to reading in the future.   

ricepig

Quote from: PonderinHog on June 17, 2017, 12:47:27 pm
Serious question.  How can you not have your players' undivided attention after Auburn?  There's no rhyme or reason other than (maybe)  Auburn, Mizzou and VA Tech were road games,  Florida was anemic on offense, and LSU was just better than us.  Frustrating.

Simple, they're 18-22 years old. You can have their attention, but that doesn't mean they are fully paying attention, buying in. Confidence is fragile, and when something starts going south, it can snowball quickly and be easy for some to just go through the motions. I think some of the defensive problems were, "why bust my as s when XYZ is going to get beat". I don't like it, and if our defense doesn't pick it up, it's another 7 win season, more than likely.

FANONTHEHILL

Quote from: PonderinHog on June 17, 2017, 12:47:27 pm
Serious question.  How can you not have your players' undivided attention after Auburn?  There's no rhyme or reason other than (maybe)  Auburn, Mizzou and VA Tech were road games,  Florida was anemic on offense, and LSU was just better than us.  Frustrating.

You can have their full attention, which they did.  You can prepare them on the field and in the film room. Which they did. Bret Bielema, Dan Enos, and Kurt Anderson didn't play one snap last fall.  Rob Smith, Rory Segrist, Paul Rhoads didn't either.  They were all frustrated.  Many post about Coach Bielema as being arrogant and only in it for himself.  If that was the case last year's press conferences would have been nothing but him calling out players for mental mistakes and lack of effort.  He didn't throw his players under the bus publicly.  It's not possible to lose like they did to Auburn and then pound Florida 7 days later, but they did.  When everyone is locked in, everyone does their job and good things happen.  It's part of being mentally tough.  They were not mentally tough last year.  They didn't respond well. I remember when Mike Tyson was in his prime.  A reporter told him that his next opponents manager had said that they "had a plan" to beat Tyson.  Tyson replies, "everyone has a plan until they get hit." That was the problem with last year's team. How do you respond when you get hit?  This fall, whether it's against FAMU, TCU, or A&M, there will be a big play. Special teams, a turnover, a big offensive play.  What Arkansas does in the five minutes after that happens will determine what kind of season we should expect.  I know that aspect has been stressed this offseason, but preparation without application is worthless.  That's what the staff is stressing. I'm cautiously optimistic they will get it done.  But they have to prove the doubters wrong.
Favorite quote from practice.  Made to my son:<br /><br /><br />Technique is nice, but it comes down to this.  Block the F'er in front of you. - Sam Pittman 2015

 

PonderinHog

Doubts and hopes.  Welcome to Razorback Football!  Can't wait, can you?

MemphisBossHog

Quote from: FANONTHEHILL on June 17, 2017, 01:10:15 pm
You can have their full attention, which they did.  You can prepare them on the field and in the film room. Which they did. Bret Bielema, Dan Enos, and Kurt Anderson didn't play one snap last fall.  Rob Smith, Rory Segrist, Paul Rhoads didn't either.  They were all frustrated.  Many post about Coach Bielema as being arrogant and only in it for himself.  If that was the case last year's press conferences would have been nothing but him calling out players for mental mistakes and lack of effort.  He didn't throw his players under the bus publicly.  It's not possible to lose like they did to Auburn and then pound Florida 7 days later, but they did.  When everyone is locked in, everyone does their job and good things happen.  It's part of being mentally tough.  They were not mentally tough last year.  They didn't respond well. I remember when Mike Tyson was in his prime.  A reporter told him that his next opponents manager had said that they "had a plan" to beat Tyson.  Tyson replies, "everyone has a plan until they get hit." That was the problem with last year's team. How do you respond when you get hit?  This fall, whether it's against FAMU, TCU, or A&M, there will be a big play. Special teams, a turnover, a big offensive play.  What Arkansas does in the five minutes after that happens will determine what kind of season we should expect.  I know that aspect has been stressed this offseason, but preparation without application is worthless.  That's what the staff is stressing. I'm cautiously optimistic they will get it done.  But they have to prove the doubters wrong.
FOTH, as has been noted, you do have a connection to the Hog program that very few if any on this board have.  So in that light, how do you feel about the present head coach and his staff's ability to recruit talent to Fayetteville?  Do you think he and his staff have the wherewithal to be successful in recruiting?  The reason I ask is that we consistently rank near the bottom of the SEC recruiting rankings.  Now I understand recruiting rankings are a difficult thing to gauge until a few years down the road but I think you get my point.  Based on what you know, do you think this staff can keep Arkansas competitive....wait, let me rephrase that....can get Arkansas toward the top of the SEC when its all said and done?  I certainly know ARK is not going to out-recruit Bama or even LSU, but do you think they can get us close?  BB has been here 4 years and our recruiting has been about the same the past couple-three years.  As is the case with Mike Anderson and the basketball Hogs, he is in his 6th year and seems to be turning a corner in recruiting.  It has taken longer than expected but it at least seems to be changing for the better.  If BB has 5 or 6 years to develop his relationships with high school coaches and whoever he needs to develop relationships with, do you think he can do it OR are we pretty much stuck with being near the bottom of the SEC in recruiting and will have to rely on the present staff to "coach em up?"  I would be interested in your take.

FANONTHEHILL

I feel that the coaching staff does a good job of recruiting.  I think gat EK Franks, the recruiting coordinator is as good as anyone.  I think the honest truth is that they are on an island in Fayetteville, Arkansas in a small state that doesn't produce enough talent to be a football factory.  Arkansas will never sign the classes that Alabama, Auburn, LSU, or Texas A&M sign in the SEC West.  It's not the selling job, the facilities, its the geopgraphy.  People come here and mock Jeff Long and anyone else that brings up academics, but it's as big of a selling point as any to player families.  Just because you're going D-1, doesn't mean you're NFL bound.  Just ask Rawleigh's family. 

You also have to consider the last several years.  Petrino had Child's, Wright, Gragg, Adams, and Mallett fall into his lap.  There hasn't been a group like that come out if the state in a 2-3 year period in the last 50 years.  Also look at the rest of the SEC West since Bielema got here. Bama is as good as any program in history.  Auburn always has a top 10 class.  LSU always has a top 10 class. Texas A&M signs top classes and rules Texas recruiting.  Miss State had the best QB in the history of their program. Finally, Ole Miss has fielded the best team money can buy for the last four years.  Arkansas has had to transition to a new style in the past four years while every other program in the west has peaked.  Arkansas is still getting its foundation set.  The fact they are now in a position to red shirt olinemen is stood sign. 

They need to stay on Florida.  Anderson recruits the Chicago area.  Smith does a great job in Louisiana.  Scott needs to use his Texas Tech contacts to work with Texas.  They will continue to bring in better and better talent. 
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GuvHog

Quote from: FANONTHEHILL on June 17, 2017, 04:16:41 pm
I feel that the coaching staff does a good job of recruiting.  I think gat EK Franks, the recruiting coordinator is as good as anyone.  I think the honest truth is that they are on an island in Fayetteville, Arkansas in a small state that doesn't produce enough talent to be a football factory.  Arkansas will never sign the classes that Alabama, Auburn, LSU, or Texas A&M sign in the SEC West.  It's not the selling job, the facilities, its the geopgraphy.  People come here and mock Jeff Long and anyone else that brings up academics, but it's as big of a selling point as any to player families.  Just because you're going D-1, doesn't mean you're NFL bound.  Just ask Rawleigh's family. 

You also have to consider the last several years.  Petrino had Child's, Wright, Gragg, Adams, and Mallett fall into his lap.  There hasn't been a group like that come out if the state in a 2-3 year period in the last 50 years.  Also look at the rest of the SEC West since Bielema got here. Bama is as good as any program in history.  Auburn always has a top 10 class.  LSU always has a top 10 class. Texas A&M signs top classes and rules Texas recruiting.  Miss State had the best QB in the history of their program. Finally, Ole Miss has fielded the best team money can buy for the last four years.  Arkansas has had to transition to a new style in the past four years while every other program in the west has peaked.  Arkansas is still getting its foundation set.  The fact they are now in a position to red shirt olinemen is stood sign. 

They need to stay on Florida.  Anderson recruits the Chicago area.  Smith does a great job in Louisiana.  Scott needs to use his Texas Tech contacts to work with Texas.  They will continue to bring in better and better talent. 

Good post, thanks for your input, and I appreciate the information you bring to the board.

By the way Joe Adams didn't drop into BP's lap, he was a Southern Cal lock who flipped to the Hogs shortly before signing day of 2008.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: Hoggish1 on June 17, 2017, 08:13:40 am
I've analyzed the season and have come to the conclusion that we are a 9-3 team at worst but could easily be 10-2.

Take it to the bank!

You need to go back to analyst school.

Al Boarland

I appreciate FOTH's insight, but I know the same stories are being shared on message boards across the country. My concern is if they put in all the extra work and still only bang out 7 wins. They can always fall back on giving all they have, but it has to be tough to get up off the mat after you gave it your all and still come up short in CFB.

I guess that's what adversity is all about.

GuvHog

Quote from: Al Boarland on June 17, 2017, 05:25:28 pm
You need to go back to analyst school.

I really think 9-3 is right on the money. The only games on this year schedule that I would pick as very likely losses are Bama and LSU. Although I'm calling Auburn a Toss up, I believe it is winnable for the Hogs.
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ChitownHawg

Quote from: Hogs-n-Roses on June 16, 2017, 09:49:40 am

I have no Idea where they're getting this 7-5 number but makes me puke to think our fans ,any percent of them would be OK with this.

Not sure what you mean by okay. Would 7-5 make me disappointed and push me a little closer to questioning CBB getting this done? Yes

Would it make me throw a tantrum? No

It simply depends on who and how those 5 losses come about. Lose like we did at Auburn or Missouri and I'm not a happy camper. Lose to a team that is suppose to be better than us and I can understand the loss.

Bottom line, I'm not getting my life in turmoil over a football team or a coach. Been on God's green earth to long to let something as trivial as a sporting event turn my life into turmoil.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: GuvHog on June 17, 2017, 06:33:22 pm
I really think 9-3 is right on the money. The only games on this year schedule that I would pick as very likely losses are Bama and LSU. Although I'm calling Auburn a Toss up, I believe it is winnable for the Hogs.

The toss up games are A&M, Ole Miss and Miss State. We will probably not be favored in those games, but that's as close as it gets.

That's where the program is and why we are only being picked to win 7 games.

hawgon

June 17, 2017, 09:09:09 pm #133 Last Edit: June 17, 2017, 10:08:30 pm by hawgon
The recruiting is good enough.  The design of the program is good enough.  Bielema is good enough with the fans and managing the program.  There is one glaring problem and it has been a problem since the first year.  Bielema is a terrible and I mean terrible game day coach.  We have lost at least two games a year that not only could we have won, but absolutely had to practically give away to lose.  Win just half of those, and the discussion is entirely different.  Win two thirds of them and we are ranked in the pre season top 15 this year and we dream about 10-2 seasons.

They had the same complaints at a Wisconsin.  They felt that there were several seasons on the brink of greatness and they would always manage to lose one or two that they had no business losing.

LRRandy

Quote from: hawgon on June 17, 2017, 09:09:09 pm
The recruiting is good enough.  The design of the program is good enough.  Bielema is good enough with the fans and managing the program.  There is one glaring problem and it has been a problem since the first year.  Bielema is a terrible and I mean terrible game day coach.  We have lost at least two games a year that not only could we have won, but absolutely had to practically give away to lose.  Win just half of those, and the discussion is entirely different.  Win two thirds of them and we are ranked in the ore season top 15 this year and we dream about 10-2 seasons.

They had the same complaints at a Wisconsin.  They felt that there were several seasons on the brink of greatness and they would always manage to lose one or two that they had no business losing.
well now. Come on. It will be better with Ash gone. I mean, much better now that Chaneys gone. Oh wait, now that Smith is gone the scheme will be better and the players will play harder because last year they didn't play hard but boy this year they really mean business.

Or

You hit the nail on the head.
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HoGFromTheStart

I am expecting a 6 win season realistically. Maybe an upset for us along the way. But those hoophogs are putting us back on the map. Allen will play like a senior but only if he can keep from getting smashed 26 times in one game. I went to Texas Southern, Bama and LSU. Our fans are in my eyes sounding cynical. Coach B has never been the answer. Go hogs!
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: ChitownHawg on June 17, 2017, 07:01:51 pm
Not sure what you mean by okay. Would 7-5 make me disappointed and push me a little closer to questioning CBB getting this done? Yes

Would it make me throw a tantrum? No

It simply depends on who and how those 5 losses come about. Lose like we did at Auburn or Missouri and I'm not a happy camper. Lose to a team that is suppose to be better than us and I can understand the loss.

Bottom line, I'm not getting my life in turmoil over a football team or a coach. Been on God's green earth to long to let something as trivial as a sporting event turn my life into turmoil.

I believe we will win more than 7 just because I expect the defense to be improved, play with a different attitude and play as a unit.

Over the course of 5 of our 6 losses last season our defense averaged giving away 17 unearned points per game. Over those same 5 games our offense, either through missing TD opportunities or settling for a FG in the RZ, left an average of 17 points on the field. Even if the offense performed just the way it did with missed opportunities and the defense had shown up and not given away those unearned points, we would have found ourselves in another OT game, won 3 of the 5 and lost 1 of the 5.

I expect our offense to be at least as good as last year, maybe better, but if the defense improves to the degree that they just don't give away 17 points a game, even if they cut that number in half, we will win more than we did last year. Winning more of those games is going to have a positive effect on the attitude of the team and you won't see anyone checking it in the first time that they encounter adversity.

We will win at least 8, but Bielema needs to win 9 for most anyone to think that he is getting the program back on track.
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gchamblee

Quote from: Al Boarland on June 17, 2017, 08:30:18 pm
The toss up games are A&M, Ole Miss and Miss State. We will probably not be favored in those games, but that's as close as it gets.

That's where the program is and why we are only being picked to win 7 games.


GuvHog

Quote from: Al Boarland on June 17, 2017, 08:30:18 pm
The toss up games are A&M, Ole Miss and Miss State. We will probably not be favored in those games, but that's as close as it gets.

That's where the program is and why we are only being picked to win 7 games.

How many times has Mississippi State beaten Arkansas in Fayetteville??? I rest my case. Miss state is not a toss up, it's a Hog win.
Ole Miss is in shambles and is picked to finish DEAD LAST in the SEC West. That's not a toss up, it's a Hog win.
Arkansas is past due for a win over A&M in Arlington. They get it this year.
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GuvHog

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on June 17, 2017, 09:16:15 am
I disagree, it means more for recruiting and promotion of the program. 10 wins means a better bowl game and greater promotion of your program on a national basis and probably means that at least at some point you were in the hunt for a divisional championship. 8 wins doesn't buy that kind of notoriety. It may not include a division trophy or ring, but 10 wins does a lot for the program.

Well said Muskogee. 10 wins or more gets the Hogs a top 25 ranking, a higher tier bowl game, eventually better recruiting which could mean SEC titles in the future.

Winning 8 games or less in regular season play gets the Hogs ignored.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: GuvHog on June 18, 2017, 09:46:01 am
How many times has Mississippi State beaten Arkansas in Fayetteville??? I rest my case. Miss state is not a toss up, it's a Hog win.
Ole Miss is in shambles and is picked to finish DEAD LAST in the SEC West. That's not a toss up, it's a Hog win.
Arkansas is past due for a win over A&M in Arlington. They get it this year.

We can discuss this after the games are played, but I guarantee you they will be tough outs. The programs are on the same tier.

Dead last in the SED doesn't mean they can't win a conference game.

What does past due even mean? Are we past due to beat Bama? Are you throwing up a W by that game?

GuvHog

Quote from: Al Boarland on June 18, 2017, 10:04:31 am
We can discuss this after the games are played, but I guarantee you they will be tough outs. The programs are on the same tier.

Dead last in the SED doesn't mean they can't win a conference game.

What does past due even mean? Are we past due to beat Bama? Are you throwing up a W by that game?

No, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are not on the same tier with the Hogs. They were in 2015 but not now.

DEAD LAST in the West means Ole Miss is very likely to lose all of their Western Division games. They do have a shot at beating Vanderbilt.

I agree that A&M will be a tough win but the Hogs will get it.
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Al Boarland

Quote from: GuvHog on June 18, 2017, 10:19:08 am
No, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are not on the same tier with the Hogs. They were in 2015 but not now.

DEAD LAST in the West means Ole Miss is very likely to lose all of their Western Division games. They do have a shot at beating Vanderbilt.

I agree that A&M will be a tough win but the Hogs will get it.

Agree to disagree.

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: GuvHog on June 18, 2017, 10:19:08 am
No, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are not on the same tier with the Hogs. They were in 2015 but not now.

DEAD LAST in the West means Ole Miss is very likely to lose all of their Western Division games. They do have a shot at beating Vanderbilt.

I agree that A&M will be a tough win but the Hogs will get it.

Pre-season rankings are mostly bull-crap and particularly in the SEC when it comes down to the pre-supposed middle of the pack or lower teams. You never know when someone is going to rise up and play better than projected and that includes Arkansas. Of course it also includes teams like Ole Miss, Miss State and A&M. Who knows whether LSU is going to play like world beaters under Orgeron or if they are going to be a well recruited team that can't seem to put it together on the field, like other Orgeron teams have tended to look? The only thing that we know for sure is that Alabama will probably be pretty good.
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nwahogfan1

Quote from: go hogues on June 16, 2017, 10:27:23 am
It's going to be tough to get to 7-5 this year with road games at Texas A&M, Alabama, South Carolina, Oxford and Baton Rouge. Couple that with major questions at receiver and RB and a defense that will likely be improved but just how far can the worst defense in the SEC rise in just one offseason?

My money is on 6-6.

I think 9 wins are very possible but isn't A&M considered a neutral game. I think they are favored by more than a TD but we are due.  It will be determined if they can find a QB.  We will possible be favored at USCe and Ole Miss who were both down a notch but dangerous there.  Auburn here but probable a loss, so is Bama and LSU on the road.  I see 6-6 all the way to 9-3.  There are 3 or 4 games that I call 50\50 games all depending on a break, penalty, fumble or what ever.

Could be a fun year or a frustrating year but it will  no doubt be a year to watch.