Sheldrick Redwine decommits from Louisville

[colbs]

Might be heading to Auburn.

[tophawg19]

Auburn just signed 2 db's

[Love those Hogs]

That is crazy how AU is getting all these guys last minute.

[Dropkick]

Auburn just signed 2 db's

For how much?

[Dropkick]

Grantham going to NFL?

[flagstaffhog]

For how much?

exactly. ...

[tophawg19]

redwine was a guy we were high on . then we backed off for some reason

[PEtrader]

That is crazy how AU is getting all these guys last minute.

Cash money,  take it to the bank.

[Hoggish1]

Auburn just signed 2 db's

Signed?

[Hoggish1]

redwine was a guy we were high on . then we backed off for some reason

If we backed off, it's for a good reason.

[SquidBilly]

That is crazy how AU is getting all these guys last minute.

Not crazy, just business.

[Tusks]

Sometimes its just a business decision.

Not crazy, just business.

[duckman]

Signed?

[jackflash]

With Redwine I wouldn't count Florida out of the picture. They may need him more

[KlubhouseKonnected]

That is crazy how AU is getting all these guys last minute.

It's a God thing.

[PonderinHog]

For how much?

League minimum.

[immahog]

did hogville say we backed off??? or has it been reported that we backed off???

[PEtrader]

did hogville say we backed off??? or has it been reported that we backed off???

Auburn bank stepped up more than we backed off

[Music City Hog]

did hogville say we backed off??? or has it been reported that we backed off???

We "back off" every recruit that doesn't choose us. 

He lost interest when Shannon left.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

For how much?

Ba dum, SPLASH..!   +1

[lefty08]

We "back off" every recruit that doesn't choose us. 

He lost interest when Shannon left.

Pretty sure it was well before Shannon left

[tophawg19]

We "back off" every recruit that doesn't choose us. 

He lost interest when Shannon left.

no we stopped recruiting him . went in another direction .

[tophawg19]

Pretty sure it was well before Shannon left

i t was but you can't tell some of these people anything .

[Tim Harris]

Pretty sure it was well before Shannon left

We were already having limited contact with him but were still in his top 6 or 8 or whatever it was.  Then once Shannon left he "officially" eliminated us from the running.

[The_Boot_stops_here]

We "back off" every recruit that doesn't choose us. 

He lost interest when Shannon left.

Lol. Truth

[Wildhog]

I told y'all I hated that AU hired Travaris Robinson.  This is what happens when you hire elite recruiters.

[ballhogger]

For how much?

2 for the price of one...there must be some kind of sale going on.

[Huckleberry Pig]

I told y'all I hated that AU hired Travaris Robinson.  This is what happens when you hire elite recruiters.

yep, wish we had one more on staff.  replace Thomas.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Gus Malzahn and Auburn really are a perfect match.

[OLDHOG]

If we backed off, it's for a good reason.

Yep.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I told y'all I hated that AU hired Travaris Robinson.  This is what happens when you hire elite recruiters.

Okay, but there's a whole rest of the story on that deal.

Can the guy coach?  Is he the quality person you want representing your university?  Does he fit with your personality and fit in with the rest of the staff?

There is such a thing as short term thinking.  Yes, it may produce today, but what are going to be the long range effects?

It just seems to me that assembling a CFB staff is about a whole lot more than getting a bunch of hired guns to go out and recruit.

Additionally, there is no way, today, to know what the comparative careers of Ryan Pulley and Redwine will be.  Maybe Redwine ends up being the greatest CB of all time while at AU, but maybe Ryan Pulley ends up having the better career.

[tophawg19]

Okay, but there's a whole rest of the story on that deal.

Can the guy coach?  Is he the quality person you want representing your university?  Does he fit with your personality and fit in with the rest of the staff?

There is such a thing as short term thinking.  Yes, it may produce today, but what are going to be the long range effects?

It just seems to me that assembling a CFB staff is about a whole lot more than getting a bunch of hired guns to go out and recruit.

Additionally, there is no way, today, to know what the comparative careers of Ryan Pulley and Redwine will be.  Maybe Redwine ends up being the greatest CB of all time while at AU, but maybe Ryan Pulley ends up having the better career.
[/quote good post and also the staff knew who fits our team better .

[Wildhog]

Okay, but there's a whole rest of the story on that deal.

Can the guy coach?  Is he the quality person you want representing your university?  Does he fit with your personality and fit in with the rest of the staff?

There is such a thing as short term thinking.  Yes, it may produce today, but what are going to be the long range effects?

It just seems to me that assembling a CFB staff is about a whole lot more than getting a bunch of hired guns to go out and recruit.

Additionally, there is no way, today, to know what the comparative careers of Ryan Pulley and Redwine will be.  Maybe Redwine ends up being the greatest CB of all time while at AU, but maybe Ryan Pulley ends up having the better career.

Somebody thinks Robinson can coach.  He keeps getting great jobs.

I mean, I'd say Will Muschamp is a pretty solid defensive mind.  Wouldn't you?

[ricepig]

Somebody thinks Robinson can coach.  He keeps getting great jobs.

Or somebody thinks he can recruit to make up for his coaching, I don't know? We had what we were told was a great Florida recruiter, I thought he did a good job, not great.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Somebody thinks Robinson can coach.  He keeps getting great jobs.

I mean, I'd say Will Muschamp is a pretty solid defensive mind.  Wouldn't you?

On your first point, I'd say I don't know if he's a good coach or not.  There have been coaches down through the years who were great recruiters and mediocre coaches that always found a place to work.  Hired guns usually do.

As far as Muschamp goes, I guess he's a solid DC.  I'm not sure there's a whole lot of evidence against him.  He did OK at UT, but he had the advantage of great talent down there.  His defenses were pretty dang good at UF, too.

So I guess he's solid, but whether he's this big, huge upgrade vs. Ellis Johnson??  I doubt it.  Ellis has a pretty solid track record, too, and I doubt he somehow forgot decades of coaching smarts when he got to Auburn.

[Wildhog]

I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that any team on the level of Auburn would hire a coaching liability. 

There are some ace recruiters out there that are also great coaches.  They don't grow on trees, though.  So long as the traditional powers keep getting those guys, they will remain traditional powers.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that any team on the level of Auburn would hire a coaching liability. 

There are some ace recruiters out there that are also great coaches.  They don't grow on trees, though.  So long as the traditional powers keep getting those guys, they will remain traditional powers.

You think Auburn, sitting in the middle of that golden triangle of Bama/Georgia/North Florida really needs to have ace recruiters to get good classes?

They've had top ten classes for as long as I can remember, and have been in the top 5 a few of those years, IF my memory serves correctly.

They had tons and tons of talent last year, and GM and his staff probably got the least out of that talent of any team in the country.

[Wildhog]

You think Auburn, sitting in the middle of that golden triangle of Bama/Georgia/North Florida really needs to have ace recruiters to get good classes?

They've had top ten classes for as long as I can remember, and have been in the top 5 a few of those years, IF my memory serves correctly.

They had tons and tons of talent last year, and GM and his staff probably got the least out of that talent of any team in the country.

I know it's a popular opinion that those schools just recruit themselves, but they've made concerted efforts to always have the absolute best recruiters in the country, and the results are evident.  There's a reason that those schools are always hiring elite recruiters.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

I know it's a popular opinion that those schools just recruit themselves, but they've made concerted efforts to always have the absolute best recruiters in the country, and the results are evident.  There's a reason that those schools are always hiring elite recruiters.

There is also a reason Auburn has been involved in so many recruiting scandals over the years. If kids were just dying to go spend 3-5 years living in east Alabama, I doubt that would be the case.

[Huckleberry Pig]

There is also a reason Auburn has been involved in so many recruiting scandals over the years. If kids were just dying to go spend 3-5 years living in east Alabama, I doubt that would be the case.

and yet they've never been punished.  After Cam the NCAA pretty much gave everyone the "go ahead" to recruit by any means necessary.  It's sickening but it's also become business as usual

[Wildhog]

There is also a reason Auburn has been involved in so many recruiting scandals over the years. If kids were just dying to go spend 3-5 years living in east Alabama, I doubt that would be the case.

So you're saying it takes elite recruiters to get them to East Alabama?

[CDBHawg]

So you're saying it takes elite recruiters to get them to East Alabama?

Not saying he isn't "elite" but why all the buzz over one 3* DB that's committed since he's been hired?

[KlubhouseKonnected]

So you're saying it takes elite recruiters to get them to East Alabama?

I'm agreeing that location and the University/program itself are clearly not a golden ticket to the top ten ranked recruiting classes they regularly haul in. Whether that is due to elite recruiter, a certain amount of institutionalized ethical and moral flexibility or a combination of the two is another question.

[Wildhog]

Not saying he isn't "elite" but why all the buzz over one 3* DB that's committed since he's been hired?

It's significant to me that they were so easily able get Dinson and apparently Redwine, when we've been on them (Dinson, at least) for quite some time, now.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I know it's a popular opinion that those schools just recruit themselves, but they've made concerted efforts to always have the absolute best recruiters in the country, and the results are evident. 

Never said "they recruit themselves", nor did I infer that.

But it is a reality that schools that find themselves in the big fat middle of a recruiting hotbed are the schools that end up with the best recruiting classes.  It's easier to recruit kids to come to schools that are closer and that have a family history with that program.

If the talent that Auburn finds in that fertile triangle was magically placed in NWA, don't you think Arkansas would find itself perpetually in that top 10 place, with frequent visits to the top 5?

There's a reason that those schools are always hiring elite recruiters.

Are they "always hiring elite recruiters"? 

And if I were an "elite recruiter", I think I would choose to go to a school that has the richest homegrown talent, wouldn't you?

Fact is, those schools with that backyard recruiting advantages are the schools with the richest traditions, and therefore the fan base that demands that high level performance, both on the field and in recruiting.  As a result those schools feel the pressure to constantly improve their recruiting simply to keep up.

Auburn is a perfect example.  I have no doubt Gus felt some negative feedback and perhaps felt some pressure about his mediocre results last year with a team of great talent.  So he went out and spent tons of money (money Arkansas doesn't have to spend, nor do most schools) to hire those "ace recruiters" you speak of.

So it's not a shock those top recruiters end up at those programs.

[kaki]

We "back off" every recruit that doesn't choose us. 

He lost interest when Shannon left.

Does it really matter that much to anyone but you?  #buzz kill !

[Wildhog]

Never said "they recruit themselves", nor did I infer that.

But it is a reality that schools that find themselves in the big fat middle of a recruiting hotbed are the schools that end up with the best recruiting classes.  It's easier to recruit kids to come to schools that are closer and that have a family history with that program.

If the talent that Auburn finds in that fertile triangle was magically placed in NWA, don't you think Arkansas would find itself perpetually in that top 10 place, with frequent visits to the top 5?

Are they "always hiring elite recruiters"? 

And if I were an "elite recruiter", I think I would choose to go to a school that has the richest homegrown talent, wouldn't you?

Fact is, those schools with that backyard recruiting advantages are the schools with the richest traditions, and therefore the fan base that demands that high level performance, both on the field and in recruiting.  As a result those schools feel the pressure to constantly improve their recruiting simply to keep up.

Auburn is a perfect example.  I have no doubt Gus felt some negative feedback and perhaps felt some pressure about his mediocre results last year with a team of great talent.  So he went out and spent tons of money (money Arkansas doesn't have to spend, nor do most schools) to hire those "ace recruiters" you speak of.

So it's not a shock those top recruiters end up at those programs.

All those words to say nothing at all.

LSU used to be garbage, even with all that talent down there.  What happened?  They hired Nick Saban, who took their recruiting to another level.  Saban has always assembled the absolute best recruiting staff he can manage. 

[hillbilly]

According to 247, Redwine just committed to Louisville...again.

[KY Hog Man]

All Rumors Of My De-commitment Were False And I Will Be Signing My Letter Of Intent On Feb 4 To The University Of Louisville #L1C4 ‼️

— Sheldrick Redwine (@_23NeverLeft) January 28, 2015

[Darren DeLoach]

I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that any team on the level of Auburn would hire a coaching liability. 

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