TOE INJURIE CAN BE WORST THAN BROKE LEG!!!

[cowboyhog]

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

[cmh_hog]

Not true!

Sprained Toes \ Dislocations

Sprains of the phalangeal joints of the toes are caused most often by kicking some nonyielding object. Sprains result from a considerable force applied in such a manner as to extend the joint beyond its normal ROM, or to impart a twisting motion to the toe, thereby twisting and tearing ligaments and the joint capsule. 

Pain is immediate and intense, but is generally brief. There is immediate swelling along with discoloration from hemorrhaging during the first or second day. There will be stiffness and residual pain lasting weeks. 

The PRICE principle must be followed immediately after the trauma to minimize the inflammatory response. Casting or splinting of the small toes proves to be difficult. Thus, buddy taping (taping the injured toe to an adjacent toe) is an effective technique of immobilization. Weight bearing activities may begin as soon as tolerated.

Turf Toe

Turf toe is a hyperextension injury resulting in a sprain of the metatarsalphalangeal joint of the great toe, either from a single trauma or from repetitive overuse (38). Typically, this injury occurs on unyielding synthetic turf, although it can occur on grass as well. Many of these injuries occur because sports shoes made for use on artificial turf are often more flexible and allow more dorsi flexion of the great toe. 

There is significant pain and swelling in and around the metatarsophalangeal joint of the great toe. Pain is exacerbated when the athlete tries to push off the foot in walking and certainly in running and jumping (18).

Some shoe companies have addressed this problem by adding steel or other materials to the forefoot to stiffen the shoes. Flat insoles that have thin sheets of steel under the forefoot are also available. When commercially made products are not available, a thin, flat piece of thermoplastic may be placed under the shoe insole or may be molded to the foot. Taping the toe to prevent dorsi flexion may be done separately. The most effective treatment of turf toe is rest with ice and ultrasound. The athlete should not return to activity until the injury is pain free. 


I would much rather have either one of those injuries than go through what Tyrone Prothro went through or even Joe Theisman. No way is a toe injury worse than a broken leg.

[ErieHog]

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

[CiriusPorker]

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

Thank you!  I was about to clear that up as well, but I didn't want to be the english teacher to do it.

[HoggusMaximus]

He wont be out an entire year for a sprained toe, he played half of the last season hurt...

[Smithian]

The type of dislocation McFadden is severe. The bone is actually showing, probably.

He also, like many on here, believes rehab in 4 weeks, barring other problems.

[cowboyhog]

I am not saying its a season ender but, it could very easily linger and cause problems with his ability to plant and cut.

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

[Pork Twain]

There might be some Dr's on here but unless you have seen DM first hand you are just babbling nonsense.

Let's wait till something official is released...

Turf toe vs broken toe to me is like broken finger vs tendinitis...  Lingering vs treatable...

[cowboyhog]

thanks you change your sign on name to DR. HOG 

Not true!

Sprained Toes \ Dislocations

Sprains of the phalangeal joints of the toes are caused most often by kicking some nonyielding object. Sprains result from a considerable force applied in such a manner as to extend the joint beyond its normal ROM, or to impart a twisting motion to the toe, thereby twisting and tearing ligaments and the joint capsule. 

Pain is immediate and intense, but is generally brief. There is immediate swelling along with discoloration from hemorrhaging during the first or second day. There will be stiffness and residual pain lasting weeks. 

The PRICE principle must be followed immediately after the trauma to minimize the inflammatory response. Casting or splinting of the small toes proves to be difficult. Thus, buddy taping (taping the injured toe to an adjacent toe) is an effective technique of immobilization. Weight bearing activities may begin as soon as tolerated.

Turf Toe

Turf toe is a hyperextension injury resulting in a sprain of the metatarsalphalangeal joint of the great toe, either from a single trauma or from repetitive overuse (38). Typically, this injury occurs on unyielding synthetic turf, although it can occur on grass as well. Many of these injuries occur because sports shoes made for use on artificial turf are often more flexible and allow more dorsi flexion of the great toe. 

There is significant pain and swelling in and around the metatarsophalangeal joint of the great toe. Pain is exacerbated when the athlete tries to push off the foot in walking and certainly in running and jumping (18).

Some shoe companies have addressed this problem by adding steel or other materials to the forefoot to stiffen the shoes. Flat insoles that have thin sheets of steel under the forefoot are also available. When commercially made products are not available, a thin, flat piece of thermoplastic may be placed under the shoe insole or may be molded to the foot. Taping the toe to prevent dorsi flexion may be done separately. The most effective treatment of turf toe is rest with ice and ultrasound. The athlete should not return to activity until the injury is pain free. 


I would much rather have either one of those injuries than go through what Tyrone Prothro went through or even Joe Theisman. No way is a toe injury worse than a broken leg.

[ErieHog]

I am not saying its a season ender but, it could very easily linger and cause problems with his ability to plant and cut.

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

INJURY.

No IE. 

Deon had Turf-Toe, which is a significantly different injury than a open dislocation of the big toe-- its the difference between overcoming a broken finger vs. overcoming RSI.   Let's not get carried away-- D-Mac isn't even officially out for the USC game yet.

Based upon what, exactly?
The medical folks who've discussed the injury don't seem to have expressed this concern.   They're anticipating a full recovery sometime this season.


And for the last danged time...this is not a Deion Sanders injury folks.   Two different things. 

[Jerry Swinefeld]

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Technically, you could be right.

And nicking yourself shaving COULD be worse than slitting your throat with a straight-razor.


But not usually.

[CiriusPorker]

This is begging for a re-emergence of the "Facts about Mitch Mustain" thread......

[HoggusMaximus]

this whole conversation about a toe just proves how on the edge of optimism/doubt some fans were really on. Its like everyone thinks its dooms day already... i can understand if he got his foot cut off or something but come on people, just give it some time.

[msudawgs64]

I don't know if y'all remember a few years back, 1991 to be exact but probably not since Arkansas joined the SEC in 1992, but we had a defensive lineman named Rodney Stowers, who died of an embolism caused by a broken leg in our game versus Florida that year, I would say that a broken leg would be worse, this is one of the reasons that now they tend to use those inflatable splints, to keep the blood flowing properly.

[HognotinMemphis]

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Hey, thanks for that. By the way, how is it that you can even operate a computer? Incredible. Someone should study you.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Not true!

Sprained Toes \ Dislocations

Sprains of the phalangeal joints of the toes are caused most often by kicking some nonyielding object. Sprains result from a considerable force applied in such a manner as to extend the joint beyond its normal ROM, or to impart a twisting motion to the toe, thereby twisting and tearing ligaments and the joint capsule. 

Pain is immediate and intense, but is generally brief. There is immediate swelling along with discoloration from hemorrhaging during the first or second day. There will be stiffness and residual pain lasting weeks. 

The PRICE principle must be followed immediately after the trauma to minimize the inflammatory response. Casting or splinting of the small toes proves to be difficult. Thus, buddy taping (taping the injured toe to an adjacent toe) is an effective technique of immobilization. Weight bearing activities may begin as soon as tolerated.

Turf Toe

Turf toe is a hyperextension injury resulting in a sprain of the metatarsalphalangeal joint of the great toe, either from a single trauma or from repetitive overuse (38). Typically, this injury occurs on unyielding synthetic turf, although it can occur on grass as well. Many of these injuries occur because sports shoes made for use on artificial turf are often more flexible and allow more dorsi flexion of the great toe. 

There is significant pain and swelling in and around the metatarsophalangeal joint of the great toe. Pain is exacerbated when the athlete tries to push off the foot in walking and certainly in running and jumping (18).

Some shoe companies have addressed this problem by adding steel or other materials to the forefoot to stiffen the shoes. Flat insoles that have thin sheets of steel under the forefoot are also available. When commercially made products are not available, a thin, flat piece of thermoplastic may be placed under the shoe insole or may be molded to the foot. Taping the toe to prevent dorsi flexion may be done separately. The most effective treatment of turf toe is rest with ice and ultrasound. The athlete should not return to activity until the injury is pain free. 


I would much rather have either one of those injuries than go through what Tyrone Prothro went through or even Joe Theisman. No way is a toe injury worse than a broken leg.

             

[hog caller]

don't expect himn back for 6-8 weeks though then he will not be in shape to play and if they try to play him into shape a castrophiy can occur. i really think 4-6 weeks is a conservative estimate. toes hurt for a long time.

[jbpt]

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

[Hollywood_HOGan]

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

Thanks for the info.

[Ross U (HDHF)]

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

For some reason, whenever someone says "Hi guys", alarms go off in my head. 

What's that in the sky? It's a bird...it's a plane...NO IT'S DOUGLAS COME TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF A NEW MEMBER CLAIMING TO HAVE MEDICAL INFORMATION!!!

Edit: douglas is offline...it appears even superman must sleep.

[HatfieldHog]

There might be some Dr's on here but unless you have seen DM first hand you are just babbling nonsense.

Let's wait till something official is released...

Turf toe vs broken toe to me is like broken finger vs tendinitis...  Lingering vs treatable...

Am I to believe that you are willing to believe the "party line" that comes out of the Broyles Center?  I think that I'd make the stretch and believe the guys on this board before I'd believe Frank's propoganda machine.

P.S. I'm sorry for mentioning the credibility of the posters of this board, in the same sentence with the Broyles Center Media Guy.

See ya

[Salty Hog]

Dieon was a wuss anyway..I think he just milked that turf toe thing for all he could get out of it.  He was a waste of time and talent when he played at Dallas.

[RhodeHog]

So can spelling contests.

[cowboyhog]

Why are you even on this board HORN??? Go back to your own board CHAMP!!!! and share all your wisdom with the rest of those faaags wearing burnt orange and cowboy hats!!!!!! Sorry my grammer doesnt meet your TEXAS standards!

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Hey, thanks for that. By the way, how is it that you can even operate a computer? Incredible. Someone should study you.

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Hey, thanks for that. By the way, how is it that you can even operate a computer? Incredible. Someone should study you.

[cowboyhog]

I made no claim of having medical info, just the memeory of a simple toe injury ending the career of a NFL great!!!

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

For some reason, whenever someone says "Hi guys", alarms go off in my head. 

What's that in the sky? It's a bird...it's a plane...NO IT'S DOUGLAS COME TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF A NEW MEMBER CLAIMING TO HAVE MEDICAL INFORMATION!!!

Edit: douglas is offline...it appears even superman must sleep.

[cowboyhog]

Thanks for the info, without the attitude or the grammer lesson.

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

[Skip Foreplay]

Not true!

Sprained Toes \ Dislocations

Sprains of the phalangeal joints of the toes are caused most often by kicking some nonyielding object. Sprains result from a considerable force applied in such a manner as to extend the joint beyond its normal ROM, or to impart a twisting motion to the toe, thereby twisting and tearing ligaments and the joint capsule. 

Pain is immediate and intense, but is generally brief. There is immediate swelling along with discoloration from hemorrhaging during the first or second day. There will be stiffness and residual pain lasting weeks. 

The PRICE principle must be followed immediately after the trauma to minimize the inflammatory response. Casting or splinting of the small toes proves to be difficult. Thus, buddy taping (taping the injured toe to an adjacent toe) is an effective technique of immobilization. Weight bearing activities may begin as soon as tolerated.

Turf Toe

Turf toe is a hyperextension injury resulting in a sprain of the metatarsalphalangeal joint of the great toe, either from a single trauma or from repetitive overuse (38). Typically, this injury occurs on unyielding synthetic turf, although it can occur on grass as well. Many of these injuries occur because sports shoes made for use on artificial turf are often more flexible and allow more dorsi flexion of the great toe. 

There is significant pain and swelling in and around the metatarsophalangeal joint of the great toe. Pain is exacerbated when the athlete tries to push off the foot in walking and certainly in running and jumping (18).

Some shoe companies have addressed this problem by adding steel or other materials to the forefoot to stiffen the shoes. Flat insoles that have thin sheets of steel under the forefoot are also available. When commercially made products are not available, a thin, flat piece of thermoplastic may be placed under the shoe insole or may be molded to the foot. Taping the toe to prevent dorsi flexion may be done separately. The most effective treatment of turf toe is rest with ice and ultrasound. The athlete should not return to activity until the injury is pain free. 


I would much rather have either one of those injuries than go through what Tyrone Prothro went through or even Joe Theisman. No way is a toe injury worse than a broken leg.

Thanks doc,are you using the whole fist?

[cowboyhog]

Superbowl rings dont lie, also he was the greatest cover DB ever!!!

Dieon was a wuss anyway..I think he just milked that turf toe thing for all he could get out of it.  He was a waste of time and talent when he played at Dallas.

[Skip Foreplay]

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

Thank you for the info,sounds like you are very good at what you do.  Injurie?

[Skip Foreplay]

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Cowboy,spell check is free.

[Ross U (HDHF)]

I made no claim of having medical info, just the memeory of a simple toe injury ending the career of a NFL great!!!

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

For some reason, whenever someone says "Hi guys", alarms go off in my head. 

What's that in the sky? It's a bird...it's a plane...NO IT'S DOUGLAS COME TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF A NEW MEMBER CLAIMING TO HAVE MEDICAL INFORMATION!!!

Edit: douglas is offline...it appears even superman must sleep.

Sorry but I wasn't referring to you.  Look at the quote.

[cowboyhog]

y do u kare wat i tipe

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Cowboy,spell check is free.

[cowboyhog]

So is your wife, is that spelled correctly?

Remember what it did to Deion Sanders. If we loose D-Mac for a year that would probably only leave one more at ARK. before the NFL.  THANK HOG FOR DEPTH!!!!   :razorback:

Cowboy,spell check is free.

[Richard_white]

I made no claim of having medical info, just the memeory of a simple toe injury ending the career of a NFL great!!!

Hi Guys,

Just a little information for you.  I am a physical therapist and have been in practice for over 10 years.  I will be glad to give the mods any information needed to confirm my identity. I am not violating HIPPA because Darren is not my patient and I have no specific information about his case.

The reports I've seen state the involved joint was the interphalangeal (IP) joint of the big toe.  This is not where the toe attaches to the foot but is where the toe bends in the middle.  This should have very little, if any, impact on his ability to cut or balance once it is healed.  Even if the he loses motion in that joint, it will not affect his ability to run because that particular joint is not involved in running.  It will take time for the bone to heal after the pin placement but once the pain subsides he should recover quickly.  This all assumes that the injury is as stated in the reports and he doesn't develop any complications.

I just wanted to provide some perspective and settle things down a bit.  This really may not be all that severe and certainly should not lead to amputation or the end of his career.

Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for him.

For some reason, whenever someone says "Hi guys", alarms go off in my head. 

What's that in the sky? It's a bird...it's a plane...NO IT'S DOUGLAS COME TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF A NEW MEMBER CLAIMING TO HAVE MEDICAL INFORMATION!!!

Edit: douglas is offline...it appears even superman must sleep.

Sanders was a little bit older than DMac.  Sanders should have retired after leaving Dallas.