Question about 247 rankings...

[HogMantheIntruder]

So I was just shown the "Football Class Calculator" on 247 (link below). It's a fun page, but I don't quite understand how the points system works. I added Chevin Calloway, which brought us up from 199.21 to 209.07. Here's what I don't understand-

Chevin adds 24.46 points, but once added, the points for our  other commits go down. Example- Montaric Brown goes from 22.75 to 22.61. Troy James from 1.04 to .80.

Here's the calculator- http://arkansas.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Commits/Preview

Can one of our HV gurus please explain this in terms that a layman such as myself can understand? 

Merry Christmas Hogvillians! I'll hang up and listen.

[Seebs]

Please tell me you did not ask a math question on Hogville recruiting Forum. Many here have issues with English let alone cipherin' numbers.

I will say the answer is Pi .. as I like Pi.

[radar]

Think of it as the curve system..

[ricepig]

Think of it as the curve system..

Blame Saban.....

[hawgwash]

Please tell me you did not ask a math question on Hogville recruiting Forum. Many here have issues with English let alone cipherin' numbers.

I will say the answer is Pi .. as I like Pi.

Frito Pi?

[HogMantheIntruder]

Please tell me you did not ask a math question on Hogville recruiting Forum. Many here have issues with English let alone cipherin' numbers.

I will say the answer is Pi .. as I like Pi.

Thank you Seebs; I see now the folly of my ways.

[Adam Stokes]

So I was just shown the "Football Class Calculator" on 247 (link below). It's a fun page, but I don't quite understand how the points system works. I added Chevin Calloway, which brought us up from 199.21 to 209.07. Here's what I don't understand-

Chevin adds 24.46 points, but once added, the points for our  other commits go down. Example- Montaric Brown goes from 22.75 to 22.61. Troy James from 1.04 to .80.

Here's the calculator- http://arkansas.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Commits/Preview

Can one of our HV gurus please explain this in terms that a layman such as myself can understand? 

Merry Christmas Hogvillians! I'll hang up and listen.

I think the formula is just a way to make sure that large classes don't completely overpower those with less commits but higher quality. Each additional commit is worth less on an individual basis when combined with the sum of the parts. If you were to take all the players off and then add the one best player he would probably be worth around 50.

[lumphog]

Numbers Don't mean She IT

[Oklahawg]

I think the formula is just a way to make sure that large classes don't completely overpower those with less commits but higher quality. Each additional commit is worth less on an individual basis when combined with the sum of the parts. If you were to take all the players off and then add the one best player he would probably be worth around 50.

As good an explanation as I can come up with.

On some level, there was a really strong interest in quantifying the quality of recruits and the result is the complex formula you mention.

Too many variables to address to make this easy: age of recruit, level of competition in HS, position change needed in college, remaining physical maturation needed to play D1 ball, academically capable of qualifying, character issues, raw speed/strength/size, ability to contribute as a true frosh, long-term growth potential, fit for the system, needs of the program, and other recruits in the class that might address the same needs of the program. That is some of them, anyway.

So, Knile Davis doesn't turn 18 until September at UA. Bonus for UA. But, he was hurt twice in HS, knocking down his rating. He was optimally sized and blessed with plus speed, a bonus for his rating. Solid academics and character. Fits the system well and the system needed a body in that class (unlike those years we land too many at any one position that would prevent all from helping).

[lefty08]

I believe they only count the top 20 per class as well, so whIle he adds points, somebody else is taking points away

[HogMantheIntruder]

I think the formula is just a way to make sure that large classes don't completely overpower those with less commits but higher quality. Each additional commit is worth less on an individual basis when combined with the sum of the parts. If you were to take all the players off and then add the one best player he would probably be worth around 50.

Ya, I get the concept. Well, I was pretty sure I got the concept, then you and Oklahog confirmed it I'm curious as to the actual math they use.

As good an explanation as I can come up with.

On some level, there was a really strong interest in quantifying the quality of recruits and the result is the complex formula you mention.

Too many variables to address to make this easy: age of recruit, level of competition in HS, position change needed in college, remaining physical maturation needed to play D1 ball, academically capable of qualifying, character issues, raw speed/strength/size, ability to contribute as a true frosh, long-term growth potential, fit for the system, needs of the program, and other recruits in the class that might address the same needs of the program. That is some of them, anyway.

So, Knile Davis doesn't turn 18 until September at UA. Bonus for UA. But, he was hurt twice in HS, knocking down his rating. He was optimally sized and blessed with plus speed, a bonus for his rating. Solid academics and character. Fits the system well and the system needed a body in that class (unlike those years we land too many at any one position that would prevent all from helping).

I'm with you on everything you said, but I was actually just talking about the way the recruit, after having been assigned a grade, affects the final point total 247 assigns to a class. Solid insight on how the recruits are graded, tho.

I believe they only count the top 20 per class as well, so whIle he adds points, somebody else is taking points away

I've heard that about only counting the top 20 before, but I never knew if it was true. It seems to me that the average points per recruit would be the most accurate way to rank a recruiting class. That would take away the need to cap it at 20, which I assume is to allow for variations in class size. Unfortunately, no one asked my opinion; so here we are.

[31to6]

I've heard that about only counting the top 20 before, but I never knew if it was true.

Rivals ranking only includes the top 20 recruits.

247 includes all the recruits but they use a sliding scale that causes that lowest ranked recruits in a class to contribute very little to the overall score.

[Pig in the Pokey]

I'm going with ESPN this year. We are #21 on there and more importantly we have 7 four stars on ESPN. I like the way it looks

Conversely, the worst list is the pinned post at the top of Hogville where we have several 2*s (we actually have zero 2*s) and only three 4*s. Even in our own recruiting recap we sell ourselves short! I hate that!!!! EDITED DAT DARN PLEASE MODS>

[BigSexyHog]

We need to buy more subscriptions.  Once we do that the ratings will be higher

[Bubba's Bruisers]

We need to buy more subscriptions.  Once we do that the ratings will be higher

Agreed.  Our recruits are always under rated.  It's why we're a 7-5 program.  If they were rated correctly, we'd be 2 wins better per year.

[ricepig]

Agreed.  Our recruits are always under rated.  It's why we're a 7-5 program.  If they were rated correctly, we'd be 2 wins better per year.

If the 2000 on HV would purchase an account for their 10 alternate accounts, we'd be in like Flint.......

[Oklahawg]

If the 2000 on HV would purchase an account for their 10 alternate accounts, we'd be in like Flint.......

LOL

That is funny.