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Started by Monsterhog, October 21, 2017, 10:14:19 pm

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Monsterhog

Leads all of college football allowing QB sacks, hurries, and hits?    Anderson should do the honorable thing and go home and get a good nights sleep, wake up in the morning and resign his position.   The players are done.  they looked lost most of the game.   


elksnort

It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly

 

Pork Ranger

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly

Yeah it all crumbles from there

synthartist69

No, it is also the horrible defense. Look at how many points we allow.. but yes, the OL sucks

hogfooey

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly
Well, that and our horrible, horrible, and horrible defense
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Cure

Quote from: synthartist69 on October 21, 2017, 10:18:59 pm
No, it is also the horrible defense. Look at how many points we allow.. but yes, the OL sucks
Unless you missed it, the defense has actually shown signs of life.
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hogfooey

Quote from: Cure on October 21, 2017, 10:22:47 pm
Unless you missed it, the defense has actually shown signs of life.

Unless you missed it, we gave up 629 yards tonight
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blu

OL is our single biggest issue. Period, end of discussion. Anyone can clearly see that.
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ballz2thewall

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly

correct.
The rest of the frog.

hogfooey

Quote from: blu on October 21, 2017, 10:25:25 pm
OL is our single biggest issue. Period, end of discussion. Anyone can clearly see that.

Not the end of discussion, the defense is absolutely horrible.
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Cure

Quote from: hogfooey on October 21, 2017, 10:24:33 pm
Unless you missed it, we gave up 629 yards tonight

Yes, they gave up 629 yards, but they still held up their end until they wore down. You can't expect the defense to continue to go on the field against an uptempo team with their backs against the wall. The offense was 5/16 on 3rd downs. The defense has their issues as well, but they have shown that they can go get a stop.
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Fan1958

Quote from: hogfooey on October 21, 2017, 10:24:33 pm
Unless you missed it, we gave up 629 yards tonight

Yep. Can't blame the offense.  Only 2 minutes and 20 seconds difference in TOP.
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jcbville

Yes. KA has not been good. And CBBs stubbornness on that fact has cost him more than most decisions.

 

hogfooey

Quote from: Cure on October 21, 2017, 10:27:47 pm
Yes, they gave up 629 yards, but they still held up their end until they wore down. You can't expect the defense to continue to go on the field against an uptempo team with their backs against the wall. The offense was 5/16 on 3rd downs. The defense has their issues as well, but they have shown that they can go get a stop.

I don't care how bad the offense is, but giving up that many yards and that many points versus anyone is horrible.
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PORKULATOR

If our Oline was 25% better we'd be talking smack about this team and how only Bama beat us. Maybe how Porbeagle SURVIVED us.
Really, a few plays a game. But alas... they are just awful and so is Kurt Anderson
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hogfooey

Quote from: Cure on October 21, 2017, 10:27:47 pm
Yes, they gave up 629 yards, but they still held up their end until they wore down. You can't expect the defense to continue to go on the field against an uptempo team with their backs against the wall. The offense was 5/16 on 3rd downs. The defense has their issues as well, but they have shown that they can go get a stop.

Oh and gave up 28 points in the 3rd quarter alone
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Atlhogfan1

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/qb-sacked-per-game

We were 113th coming into tonight in sacks given up per game.  Not quite 10 worst awful.  Florida and AU were worse.

Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

Fan1958

AU ran 77 plays from scrimmage and UA ran 68. AU averaged 32.8 yards per play on their 9 additional plays so yeah, the defense is beyond terrible.
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3kgthog

No team, not even Bama, could be good for four qtrs with the amount of time our D has to stay on the field. I feel terrible for those kids that keep trying until they just can't watch the offense flounder around anymore.

KA and Bret have created the most poorly coached o-line I've seen in my time as a Hog fan.

Fan1958

Quote from: 3kgthog on October 21, 2017, 10:42:21 pm
No team, not even Bama, could be good for four qtrs with the amount of time our D has to stay on the field. I feel terrible for those kids that keep trying until they just can't watch the offense flounder around anymore.

KA and Bret have created the most poorly coached o-line I've seen in my time as a Hog fan.

AU's D was on the field a whopping 2 minutes and 20 seconds less than the Arkansas D. They held up pretty well
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Dtechman

Quote from: blu on October 21, 2017, 10:25:25 pm
OL is our single biggest issue. Period, end of discussion. Anyone can clearly see that.

How in hades does our so called o-line specialist of a head coach allow us to have one the worst o-lines in all of football.

To me, this just further illustrates how much of a puppet he was at Wisconsin.  They have stayed in the top 25 now with what, 3 coaches since Bert left???  It must have been Alvarez's call to fire Mike Markison early in the season for the poor line play under him. I just can't fathom Bert doing that there and allowing the atrocity of a line coach we have now to remain on campus another day.

jcbville

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on October 21, 2017, 10:33:27 pm
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/qb-sacked-per-game

We were 113th coming into tonight in sacks given up per game.  Not quite 10 worst awful.  Florida and AU were worse.

I think he was referring to the total QB hurries, hits, etc...along with sacks. At one time in recent weeks AA had the most in all of FBS I believe. Possibly just SEC I'd have to look again.

Danny J


theFlyingHog

Quote from: Fan1958 on October 21, 2017, 10:44:10 pm
AU's D was on the field a whopping 2 minutes and 20 seconds less than the Arkansas D. They held up pretty well
Kinda hard for the defense to keep the faith when your offense is incompetent and gives you zero help

 

jgphillips3

KA should be fired tomorrow.  He has been an abysmal failure.

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HoggyCat

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly

Bullcrap. The offense line isn't giving 30+% points per game in conference play.
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elksnort

Quote from: HoggyCat on October 21, 2017, 10:58:34 pm
Bullcrap. The offense line isn't giving 30+% points per game in conference play.
you run the ball well you mix in the play action you score more points you take more time with the clock than the other team has last chance to do something with the ball on their offense. Don't say bull crap I forgot more about football than you'll ever know

hogfooey

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:59:49 pm
you run the ball well you mix in the play action you score more points you take more time with the clock than the other team has last chance to do something with the ball on their offense. Don't say bull crap I forgot more about football than you'll ever know
Auburn had the ball  a couple of minutes longer than us so the TOS argument doesn't hold water.  What about the A@M game, we scored 43 points.  Hell, we gave up 46 to freaking South Carolina.
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hogfooey

Quote from: hogfooey on October 21, 2017, 11:02:27 pm
Auburn had the ball  a couple of minutes longer than us so the TOS argument doesn't hold water.  What about the A@M game, we scored 43 points.  Hell, we gave up 46 to freaking South Carolina.

Discard the South Carolina, I've been drinking and just remembered the pick 6's
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Tortfeasor

Offense continues to put defense in bad situations. We are a sloppy team with no identity. OL is the worst I have ever seen.

Malvin

Quote from: Monsterhog on October 21, 2017, 10:14:19 pm
Leads all of college football allowing QB sacks, hurries, and hits?    Anderson should do the honorable thing and go home and get a good nights sleep, wake up in the morning and resign his position.   The players are done.  they looked lost most of the game.

Over a 2 year period I think we are the worst in the nation.

Boss Hog in the Arkansas

Quote from: Fan1958 on October 21, 2017, 10:28:26 pm
Yep. Can't blame the offense.  Only 2 minutes and 20 seconds difference in TOP.
That's the problem. Our opponent was a hurry up no huddle team. The fact that we almost had equal time of possession is an indictment of our own offense
That's right, you don't want to be the man to replace the man.  You want to be the man to replace Rory Segrest.

Danny J

Yes our D is bad but remember we are not deep on D and not nearly as deep as Auburn. Also...we subbed less than half the amount Auburn did. Auburn is deeper and fresher. So you can't just look at TOP as say "well their D wad on the field almost as much as ours" because that only tells part of the story.

Tortfeasor

Quote from: hogfooey on October 21, 2017, 11:02:27 pm
Auburn had the ball  a couple of minutes longer than us so the TOS argument doesn't hold water.  What about the A@M game, we scored 43 points.  Hell, we gave up 46 to freaking South Carolina.

Can't just look at number of plays or TOP. Our D keeps getting screws by our offense.

code red

Don't blame it on Anderson. Blame it on the guy who hired him.
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code red

Quote from: Tortfeasor on October 21, 2017, 11:06:58 pm
Can't just look at number of plays or TOP. Our D keeps getting screws by our offense.
disagree. There is very little SEC Talent on our defensive side. Especially the linebackers. I hear people talk about how great our linebackers are. Especially one of them over the last two years. But they are all garbage.
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Danny J

Quote from: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on October 21, 2017, 11:06:27 pm
That's the problem. Our opponent was a hurry up no huddle team. The fact that we almost had equal time of possession is an indictment of our own offense
Yep...our starters were gassed while Auburn was rotating fresh player just as talented as the ones they replaced. Their backs were steamrolling our back 7 on almost every run play. They beat us down physically and we got virtually no rest.

hogfooey

Quote from: Tortfeasor on October 21, 2017, 11:06:58 pm
Can't just look at number of plays or TOP. Our D keeps getting screws by our offense.
Hey, I'm not defending our offense at all, but you guy defending the D are not watching the same game I am.  629 freaking yards?  Are you kidding me?  What about all the yards every team not named Florida A&M are putting up on us.  Our D is horrible, out O is horrible, our ST is horrible, and our coach is well, you know, horrible.
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Danny J

Quote from: code red on October 21, 2017, 11:08:21 pm
disagree. There is very little SEC Talent on our defensive side. Especially the linebackers. I hear people talk about how great our linebackers are. Especially one of them over the last two years. But they are all garbage.
See post above...our back 7 were getting blown up on almost every run play by pettway and johnson.

Fan1958

Quote from: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on October 21, 2017, 11:06:27 pm
That's the problem. Our opponent was a hurry up no huddle team. The fact that we almost had equal time of possession is an indictment of our own offense

AU averaged a play every 24.3 seconds. UA averaged a play every 25.4 seconds. Looks like UA was doing the same.  Agree offense is terrible but with this defense the offense really doesn't matter.

Conservatives have always proudly proclaimed themselves to be conservative.  Liberals are now "Progressives"?  Must be terrible to have to hide what you really are.

I like smites.  That's how I know I'm really pissing off the "Progressives".

Malvin

While I agree that our defense needs to vastly improve, it's actually not the most critical issue at the moment.  And to give the defense a little credit they have improved over last year.  They have switched to a new scheme and you can see spots where it works well but I would still say they are below average SEC defense.

Our biggest problem is that our offense is just horrific and a lot of that blame is on the offensive line.  We basically have 1 quality SEC lineman, and the rest... I have no idea what they were doing in the offseason.. having donut eating competitions? 

There are 2 areas that I'm very critical with this team, the Oline which I put a lot of blame on the coaches, and the QB/WR chemistry which I put on the kids.  It's obvious that they did not work on their own over the summer building chemistry.  Simply put, the coach has failed to instill into these kids what it means to play in the SEC.   

Count De Money

As I watched into the 3rd quarter before switching to another channel, it was evident that all other teams give their quarterback plenty of time to pass and never touched while our QBs are destroyed on virtually every play.  We are too big, too fat, and too slow - just like the offensive line coach.  We have good players.  We just have lousy coaches who are outcoached and out physicalled each week against the majority of our competition.  At least Nutt had coaches that could coach up an offensive line after a few weeks into the season. 

Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: Cure on October 21, 2017, 10:22:47 pm

Unless you missed it, the defense has actually shown signs of life.


Giving up 629 total yards....doesn't sound much like living.....
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atom hog

It's a total culture problem. It cannot, and should not, be salvaged. Fire CBB now and install Lunney as interim coach.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: elksnort on October 21, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
It is the single absolute reason that this team is doing so poorly
Bulls**t. It's the main reason not the only reason. There's plenty of blame to go around.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Iwastherein1969

Quote from: code red on October 21, 2017, 11:07:21 pm
Don't blame it on Anderson. Blame it on the guy who hired him.
All Anderson has become is Bielema's eating and drinking buddy. From the looks of them they are both pushing 5 bills...fire up the grill by the pool, break out the best whiskey, turn on some Johnny Cash, and let's get wet in the pool, knock down a couple of liters of Crown Royal, eat the ribeyes and baked potato casserole (to hell with the salad) and demand that German chocolate cake that Jen made from scratch yesterday. Three hours later, Kurt turns to Bert and says, "see ya tomorrow night for the lobster tails and Johnny Walker Red, right ?"....aw hell yes, got the tails marinading right now
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