Once and for all on Jimmy(Officially Gone Now)

[Porked Tongue]

I was surprised when JD got hired.  I wouldn't have done it but I did support it.  When you step out of the box like that, you need some checks and balances in place.  Essentially, JD didn't know squat about actual basketball coaching and especially coaching the women's game.

In order to get around that, he needed quality assistants to guide him through.  They set him up for that but it didn't work due to his ego.  He wouldn't listen to them and treated them like plebs. Eventually the main assistants moved on and he backfilled with yes men including an assistant that had never coached girls. 

Other coaches routinely beat us down the stretch of games with their experience.  What experience we had is gone.  The only success he had was with inherited seniors who won despite him.  In what was a warning sign of things to come, he clashed HARD and alienated the best players he had that first year.  He doesn't want to learn.  He doesn't want to develop properly.  He just wants to be in charge.  100% in charge. 

Eventually, we eroded in our ability to get talented newcomers and holding on to the ones we have.  The kneeling fiasco was just another sign but one that rang the bell for those not really paying attention.  Since then, the strong base fans that have come and supported for years started to turn away.  They skipped the weekly luncheons and started skipping games.  We're talking long term supporters! Some are now promising not to donate until they see change.  Those people are the backbone of the support and they are disinterested.

JD has got a helluva free pass.  Most games are hardly covered by media and his exposure to it is minimal.  The last home game we only had one reporter there.  The UA submits their own story on away games and often without a quote from JD. He does have his weekly pressor but that's about it.  Probably a good thing as he tends to toss his kids under the bus after a close loss.  Which happens often.

He essentially runs his own press conferences.  He was approached, and admitted, they are trying to find him a clean exit and he's balked at every scenario.

Few players.
Few fans.
No interest.
Small roster.
No real successful recruiting.
No future.

No COACHING.

Bye Jimmy.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

He gone.

[hawg1221]

Jimmy Dykes may be a good man, but he dropped the ball on this coaching gig. The way people perceive him from now on will be different.

[logic]

Bye Jimmy.

I  agree that JD's ego doesn't allow him to take advice  from assistants. However, does Jeff Long's ego allow him to listen to advice from anyone, including fans? It took JL 7 years to fire Tom Collen.  And, in 6 of those 7 years Arkansas lost the first round of the SEC tournament and also didn't play in the NCAA tournament.

[Hogtied85]

He gone.

Where is the press release???

If he is not gone, I would hate for you to have egg on your face.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Where is the press release???

If he is not gone, I would hate for you to have egg on your face.

Just a prognostication.  Here is what I do know.  He is a horrible coach.  Program in a shambles on and off the court.  He was a tweeting machine.  From January 1 to Feb 16 he had approximately 100 tweets or RTs.  That's an average of 2 to 3 times per day.  In the last two weeks he has tweeted once, that was a RT on 2/28.  I observed a similar pattern of behavior with one Rory Segrest long before his actual separation was announced. 

[Hogtied85]

Just a prognostication.  Here is what I do know.  He is a horrible coach.  Program in a shambles on and off the court.  He was a tweeting machine.  From January 1 to Feb 16 he had approximately 100 tweets or RTs.  That's an average of 2 to 3 times per day.  In the last two weeks he has tweeted once, that was a RT on 2/28.  I observed a similar pattern of behavior with one Rory Segrest long before his actual separation was announced.

I for one hope that you are right....

[Jim Harris]

Jimmy Dykes may be a good man, but he dropped the ball on this coaching gig. The way people perceive him from now on will be different.

what makes someone "a good man"? Asking for a friend.

[Porked Tongue]

what makes someone "a good man"? Asking for a friend.

To some it means he goes to Cross Church aka Shiloh.

[Scott7703]

You think he gets another year Porked?

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

To some it means he goes to Cross Church aka Shiloh.

AKA

[Hogtied85]

You think he gets another year Porked?

According to twitter he is on the road recruiting. SMH

[ricepig]

According to twitter he is on the road recruiting. SMH

Jeff told him to get out there and get a roster for next year, he's coming back.

[hawg1221]

what makes someone "a good man"? Asking for a friend.

I personally don't know, hence the use of "may be". I just remember many posters when he was first hired claiming he was.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

According to twitter he is on the road recruiting. SMH

He's in Van Buren watching the 7A tourney.  Yeah he's burning it up an criss crossing the map.  He's doing what I would expect until he is told to hit the bricks. 

[Hogtied85]

He's in Van Buren watching the 7A tourney.  Yeah he's burning it up an criss crossing the map.  He's doing what I would expect until he is told to hit the bricks.

I just don't see the value. A lot of people are telling me he is getting another year because of his buyout.. I am confused...Because when Collen lost he was fired immediately..Someone just told that he is to well liked to be fired....Please shade light on this

[Bonehead]

Tom Collen had 3yr's and they bought him out. Trust me he is not out of the woods. It's not about how well you are liked, when the parents, Fan's, media get to hammering the athletic director he look's for a way out. Kid's aren't even visiting

[psycHOGlogist]

A program's best recruiters are its student athletes.

How do you think the U of A looks to recruits right about now?

[Bonehead]

What kind of kid want to play for a coach, that tell them what kind of music to listen to.

[psycHOGlogist]

What kind of kid want to play for a coach, that tell them what kind of music to listen to.

For real? Gag.

"Be Arkansas!!!*"




*Comes with complete collection of Carpenters CD's and the complete Sandi Patty Box Set.

[Hogtied85]

What kind of kid want to play for a coach, that tell them what kind of music to listen to.

I wonder when the axe will fall.

[flippinhogmana]

look for either a presser or a leak tomorrow and if it goes down, dont be surprised by a quick and highly acclaimed hire.

[Hogtied85]

look for either a presser or a leak tomorrow and if it goes down, dont be surprised by a quick and highly acclaimed hire.

So he's really really gone?

[flippinhogmana]

So he's really really gone?

For goodness sake, should he not be?

Of all I have heard negative about it being hard to recruit here, I think that is a load of bunk.  A good coach, a good recruiter still has players to start with.  I think a good coach could even change the mind of about four players, but that remains to be seen.  I guarantee you that if it isn't a done deal (both the departure and the hire) quickly; next year will be sad to watch.  But if it is, I wouldn't be surprised to find next year actually better than this year.  Okay, go ahead and call me crazy, but for me, it couldn't get any worse so an upside is entirely possible.

[psycHOGlogist]

If/when there is a change, you'll have to look at several scenarios:

1) Would the coaching change make any of the players who are currently planning to leave want to stay? (No idea)

2) Would the coaching change make any of the players who are NOT currently planning to leave change their minds and want to leave? (Always a possibility)

3). Would our 2017 signees ask for NLI releases after a change?

4) Would our 2018 commit reopen her recruitment?

5) Would the new coach -- presuming s/he is currently a HC -- bring any of his/her commits to Arkansas?

6) Would the new coach have better luck obtaining late 2017 commits than Dykes and his staff were having?

All of these (except #4, I guess) could have a significant impact on what Arkansas can put on the floor next year.

From where I sit, it can't be too much worse than what will happen without a change. Bring the new coach in and let him/her start from scratch. If it's a good coach/recruiter like flippin suggests, it could be three years before we're back to being competitive, but it'd be worth it.

[flippinhogmana]

If/when there is a change, you'll have to look at several scenarios:

1) Would the coaching change make any of the players who are currently planning to leave want to stay? (No idea)

2) Would the coaching change make any of the players who are NOT currently planning to leave change their minds and want to leave? (Always a possibility)

3). Would our 2017 signees ask for NLI releases after a change?

4) Would our 2018 commit reopen her recruitment?

5) Would the new coach -- presuming s/he is currently a HC -- bring any of his/her commits to Arkansas?

6) Would the new coach have better luck obtaining late 2017 commits than Dykes and his staff were having?

All of these (except #4, I guess) could have a significant impact on what Arkansas can put on the floor next year.

From where I sit, it can't be too much worse than what will happen without a change. Bring the new coach in and let him/her start from scratch. If it's a good coach/recruiter like flippin suggests, it could be three years before we're back to being competitive, but it'd be worth it.

if you get a coach (dont laugh so quickly) who has done well in their conference, who has gone deeper into the NCAA tourney than we have in a while, who has recruited and actually developed highly rated players, the answers to your question could all be on the plus side with the exception of bringing present recruits with him:  Dont look for that to happen. 

[hog63]

if you get a coach (dont laugh so quickly) who has done well in their conference, who has gone deeper into the NCAA tourney than we have in a while, who has recruited and actually developed highly rated players, the answers to your question could all be on the plus side with the exception of bringing present recruits with him:  Dont look for that to happen. 

look for either a presser or a leak tomorrow and if it goes down, dont be surprised by a quick and highly acclaimed hire.

If we have a new hire the timeline will be controlled by how well their team is doing in the tourney. It may not be a quick hire.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

If we have a new hire the timeline will be controlled by how well their team is doing in the tourney. It may not be a quick hire.

Was just thinking the same thing. If we want a high caliber coach they could be busy for awhile.  Long and Co like to operate in stealth mode when it comes to hiring coaches.  It may be a good thing not to fire JD until new coach is reasonably locked up.  Don't let the schools you are poaching see it coming.  Take a coach like Mike Nabors at Washington.  If he is your top target, gauge interest, put a great package together, and go get him leaving Washington little time to counter.  If on the other hand JD is already gone Washington might reasonably expect that Arkansas and it's home connections might be making a run at him and start sweetening the pot before there is even a conversation.

[flippinhogmana]

If we have a new hire the timeline will be controlled by how well their team is doing in the tourney. It may not be a quick hire.

Was just thinking the same thing. If we want a high caliber coach they could be busy for awhile.  Long and Co like to operate in stealth mode when it comes to hiring coaches.  It may be a good thing not to fire JD until new coach is reasonably locked up.  Don't let the schools you are poaching see it coming.  Take a coach like Mike Nabors at Washington.  If he is your top target, gauge interest, put a great package together, and go get him leaving Washington little time to counter.  If on the other hand JD is already gone Washington might reasonably expect that Arkansas and it's home connections might be making a run at him and start sweetening the pot before there is even a conversation.

But are true and accurate considerations, but neither is incompatible with what I said.  You will allow that there are agents, and that contacts and terms of agreement that need not be made official until a later date, right?  It wouldn't be the first time Long or another Ad had a new coach in hand a good bit before it was announced.

[Mr. Porkleone]

Throw he banks a Geno. He needs a new challenge.

Seriously though, there's some good coaches out there, but I think they need to play in smaller areana, BWA just too big. Maybe convert Barnhill to handle ladies basketball.

[parallaxpig]

What does it matter.  If he stays 95 people will show up for games.  If he leaves 105 will show up. 

[tophawg19]

Joe Foley would be a solid hire

[Scott7703]

look for either a presser or a leak tomorrow and if it goes down, dont be surprised by a quick and highly acclaimed hire.

Sure wish this was accurate but doubt it is. Long will let him completely run it in the ground before making a change.

[Porked Tongue]

HE"S GONE!

[Porked Tongue]

Props to Long for recognizing this failure.

[Scott7703]

HE"S GONE!

Names to replace?

[Porked Tongue]

This has been all but a done deal for a little over a week.  Dykes news conference the other day just showed his naivety on his future.

I shared a few weeks ago they had been looking for an easy way for him to exit but he just wasn't receptive to the overtures.

Not sure what will happen to him now but I don't think the UA will employ him in any capacity.

[Porked Tongue]

Names to replace?

I think Long already knows his man.  My understanding is there is a Plan A and Plan B candidate.  The Plan A is going to be tough but the Plan B is on board.  Just have to wait now on that.  Plan B is 10x the coach Dykes was.  Both A and B are long time women's coaches.

[The_Iceman]

This has been all but a done deal for a little over a week.  Dykes news conference the other day just showed his naivety on his future.

I shared a few weeks ago they had been looking for an easy way for him to exit but he just wasn't receptive to the overtures.

Not sure what will happen to him now but I don't think the UA will employ him in any capacity.

That's a shame. He would be great in a marketing or fundraising role.

[The_Iceman]

I think Long already knows his man.  My understanding is there is a Plan A and Plan B candidate.  The Plan A is going to be tough but the Plan B is on board.  Just have to wait now on that.  Plan B is 10x the coach Dykes was.  Both A and B are long time women's coaches.

Man? Not a woman?

[Porked Tongue]

Man? Not a woman?

Well, that might be a figure of speech.  It might change, but the leader is a male as defined by Webster.

[flippinhogmana]

I think Long already knows his man.  My understanding is there is a Plan A and Plan B candidate.  The Plan A is going to be tough but the Plan B is on board.  Just have to wait now on that.  Plan B is 10x the coach Dykes was.  Both A and B are long time women's coaches.

I would say both names are a very significant upgrade

[The_Iceman]

If one of those names is Mike Neighbors, "significant upgrade" doesn't come close to describing the hire.

[Porked Tongue]

This is a somewhat big hiring for Long.  He tried and failed with JD and cut that cord.  But now, he will need to hire really well to offset that prior failure.

[Bonehead]

I told you so yesterday

[McKdaddy]

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[Hogtied85]

Bonehead thank you. For the record I was secretly hoping this would happen because in the past Jeff would let this linger on and on. For anybody that I doubted I will eat crow. Now go get Mike Neighbors.

You know its really interesting I was watching Coach Neighbors twitter he said something that Jimmy would say. He said I'm All In

[McKdaddy]

Props to Long for recognizing this failure.

[McKdaddy]

Bonehead thank you. For the record I was secretly hoping this would happen because in the past Jeff would let this linger on and on. For anybody that I doubted I will eat crow. Now go get Mike Neighbors.

You know its really interesting I was watching Coach Neighbors twitter he said something that Jimmy would say. He said I'm All In

+1

[poloprince]

And to think some wanted him hired in men's bball lol