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Reminder: Paul Rhoads was terrible at Iowa St.

Started by BoynamedWooPigSooie, October 27, 2017, 08:14:20 pm

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BoynamedWooPigSooie

Bert bringing on failed coaches is only doubling down on his bad decisions.

Nobody thought Rhoads had done a good job in Ames, yet he's somehow the savior for the Razorback defense.

The defense everyone keeps saying is improved yet keeps getting half a hundred hung on them.

The 3-4 only magnified the problems with the defensive roster. I said from the moment the switch was brought up that Arkansas didn't have enough LBrs for a quality starting lineup in a 4-3 and was forced to play 4-2-5 that there was no way they'd have enough LBrs for even a 2-deep.

They say you gotta have a dominant NG to play 3-4, we line up our NG a yard off the LOS so our slow fatties can get a running start at getting blown off the line.  There's no pressure from our defense and I believe that is a maxim from ol' Bertimus. He's pulled the reigns on the defense from his first day here.  Soft as soft can be.

Bringing in failed HC's only looks good on paper until you dig into the reasons that made them a failed HC in the first place.

It might take a raving lunatic to fix this mess in Fayetteville.
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hog.goblin

Terrible would be inaccurate.  His first 4 years might be best 4 years for Iowa St in my lifetime.  It was followed by 3 poor years and he was understandably fired.

 

Inhogswetrust

He was considered good. He has been considered a really good defensive coach for a long time.
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hogcard1964

He'll be gone in 6 weeks.

...and yes, he's never been good.

EastexHawg

He was 32-55 at Iowa State.  Johnny Majors was 24-30.  Sort of a push, although Majors would have only had to go 8-25 in his next four years to surpass Rhoads...

Piggfoot

He became a victim of the "Peter Principle"
Good defensive coach but unsuccessful as a head coach. To be fair you probably should not evaluate him on his record as a head coach. To evaluate him as a DC though will require a little more research.
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EastexHawg

His entire rep was built on one upset if Oklahoma State.

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Quote from: Inhogswetrust on October 27, 2017, 08:33:47 pm
He was considered good. He has been considered a really good defensive coach for a long time.
In the Big 12 lol
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Tusks

 Grantham at MSU is a better example of what a new DC should be able to do.

84th to 8th in total D.
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HiggiePiggy

He was the head coach when they last had a winning season.  He wasn't good there, but not many have been. 
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Pork Twain

People say the darndest things...  Some guys are better coordinators than they are HCs
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PossumFan

His defense this year stinks, and that's all I care about.

 

razorsharp94

Rhodes was 32-55 at Iowa St. heck that's going to be a better record than Bret Bielema at Arkansas. Haha

hogcard1964

Quote from: Pork Twain on October 27, 2017, 10:29:48 pm
People say the darndest things...  Some guys are better coordinators than they are HCs

And he's not good at either.

Dominicanhog

Quote from: PossumFan on October 27, 2017, 10:56:17 pm
His defense this year stinks, and that's all I care about.

sad part is, it's gotten better each of the last 2 years... shows how bad it was.. 

Steef

I don't want him as HC. But...

1. He's one of the few coaches on the sideline showing energy during the game.
2. The defense HAS improved under him.
3. The very best defense cannot do its job for four quarters when the offense cant make first downs.
4. He hasn't had (and still doesnt have) 11 SEC caliber players for starters, much less a 2 deep, to work with.

PORKULATOR

Quote from: BoynamedWooPigSooie on October 27, 2017, 08:14:20 pm
Bert bringing on failed coaches is only doubling down on his bad decisions.

Nobody thought Rhoads had done a good job in Ames, yet he's somehow the savior for the Razorback defense.

The defense everyone keeps saying is improved yet keeps getting half a hundred hung on them.

The 3-4 only magnified the problems with the defensive roster. I said from the moment the switch was brought up that Arkansas didn't have enough LBrs for a quality starting lineup in a 4-3 and was forced to play 4-2-5 that there was no way they'd have enough LBrs for even a 2-deep.

They say you gotta have a dominant NG to play 3-4, we line up our NG a yard off the LOS so our slow fatties can get a running start at getting blown off the line.  There's no pressure from our defense and I believe that is a maxim from ol' Bertimus. He's pulled the reigns on the defense from his first day here.  Soft as soft can be.

Bringing in failed HC's only looks good on paper until you dig into the reasons that made them a failed HC in the first place.

It might take a raving lunatic to fix this mess in Fayetteville.
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Dominicanhog

Quote from: Steef on October 28, 2017, 07:03:27 am
I don't want him as HC. But...

1. He's one of the few coaches on the sideline showing energy during the game.
2. The defense HAS improved under him.
3. The very best defense cannot do its job for four quarters when the offense cant make first downs.
4. He hasn't had (and still doesnt have) 11 SEC caliber players for starters, much less a 2 deep, to work with.

I do like him as well and for reasons you stated.. but, I also would not be completely upset if he was given the HC job, though I don't see that happening.. another option would be, if we hired a new coach w/o much experience, like Norvell or Neal Brown, might they keep him as DC?

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Bert needs to be fired.

Right after or at the same time Jeffy is fired.
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Quote from: Steef on October 28, 2017, 07:03:27 am
I don't want him as HC. But...

1. He's one of the few coaches on the sideline showing energy during the game.
2. The defense HAS improved under him.
3. The very best defense cannot do its job for four quarters when the offense cant make first downs.
4. He hasn't had (and still doesnt have) 11 SEC caliber players for starters, much less a 2 deep, to work with.
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raZor71

 I think Rhoads co-ordinates the D the way Bret wants or limits him to. Coach B "teased" before Rob Smith and Paul Rhoads took over the D that we would be more aggressive. Hasn't happened! Coach B has said numerous times that he likes "sound" defense that keeps everything in front of them. This type of D, IMO is one of his downfalls! 

JoeyCapital

Quote from: hogcard1964 on October 27, 2017, 08:39:52 pm
He'll be gone in 6 weeks.

...and yes, he's never been good.
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Quote from: golf2day on October 28, 2017, 08:57:53 am
You don't know jack. He may be, but you stating it like it's fact when your only sources are the voices in your head is awesome.

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PorkRinds

Quote from: Steef on October 28, 2017, 07:03:27 am
I don't want him as HC. But...

1. He's one of the few coaches on the sideline showing energy during the game.
2. The defense HAS improved under him.
3. The very best defense cannot do its job for four quarters when the offense cant make first downs.
4. He hasn't had (and still doesnt have) 11 SEC caliber players for starters, much less a 2 deep, to work with.

All true.

Torqued pork

I would think Rhoads would probably be no higher than #4 on the list, but who really knows.

rogersvillemohog

The issue was Bret making the change to the 3-4 with a defensive coordinator who has no history of running the 3-4. Rhodes is a very good defensive coach and Arkansas is very lucky to have him. It's a Bret problem, not a Rhodes problem. Doesn't help that the offense goes 3 and out every possession and that we decided halfway through the year last year to stop running the ball.
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kodiakisland

Rhoads and Enos both failed and were hired because they were unemployed and needing jobs. BB surround himself with questionable people at times. It shows.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: rogersvillemohog on October 28, 2017, 10:43:33 am
The issue was Bret making the change to the 3-4 with a defensive coordinator who has no history of running the 3-4. Rhodes is a very good defensive coach and Arkansas is very lucky to have him. It's a Bret problem, not a Rhodes problem. Doesn't help that the offense goes 3 and out every possession and that we decided halfway through the year last year to stop running the ball.

You may want to check the facts before you run with this argument. He has limited experience but he switched his defense to 3-4 at Iowa State.

kodiakisland

Yep. Rhoads has done wonders for this defense.
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HiggiePiggy

Quote from: PorkRinds on October 28, 2017, 10:52:49 am
You may want to check the facts before you run with this argument. He has limited experience but he switched his defense to 3-4 at Iowa State.

I'm curious to when he changed it at Iowa State?  He started out there with 4 seasons of

7-6 in 2009
5-7 in 2010
6-7 in both 2011 and 2012.

Then he dropped off bigtime compared to his first 4 years there.

3-9 in 2013
2-10 in 2014
3-9 in 2015

Then fired.

So what happen?
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PorkRinds

Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 28, 2017, 11:25:56 am
I'm curious to when he changed it at Iowa State?  He started out there with 4 seasons of

7-6 in 2009
5-7 in 2010
6-7 in both 2011 and 2012.

Then he dropped off bigtime compared to his first 4 years there.

3-9 in 2013
2-10 in 2014
3-9 in 2015

Then fired.

So what happen?

Look it up. He switched his defense to the 3-4 there.

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HiggiePiggy

Quote from: PorkRinds on October 28, 2017, 11:28:52 am
Look it up. He switched his defense to the 3-4 there.

I'm not saying he didn't. I was just wondering if it was during the time that his teams really went into the dump. 
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kodiakisland

Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 28, 2017, 11:25:56 am
I'm curious to when he changed it at Iowa State?  He started out there with 4 seasons of

7-6 in 2009
5-7 in 2010
6-7 in both 2011 and 2012.

Then he dropped off bigtime compared to his first 4 years there.

3-9 in 2013
2-10 in 2014
3-9 in 2015

Then fired.

So what happen?

Does it matter what happened? He sucked in his best four years. Who cares why he sucked more later.
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Quote from: kodiakisland on October 28, 2017, 10:50:49 am
Rhoads and Enos both failed and were hired because they were unemployed and needing jobs. BB surround himself with questionable people at times. It shows.

I thought Enos was "Hired Away" from Central Meeeshigan..!?
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kodiakisland

Quote from: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on October 28, 2017, 11:47:40 am
I thought Enos was "Hired Away" from Central Meeeshigan..!?

Yeah. Thats how they sold that hire. 26-36 record I'm not so sure that was the case.
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Hogwild

Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 28, 2017, 11:25:56 am
I'm curious to when he changed it at Iowa State?  He started out there with 4 seasons of

7-6 in 2009
5-7 in 2010
6-7 in both 2011 and 2012.

Then he dropped off bigtime compared to his first 4 years there.

3-9 in 2013
2-10 in 2014
3-9 in 2015

Then fired.

So what happen?

thinking the talent that he inherited was better than the talent he brought in.

7 seasons as a HC he had one winning season, his first.
2009- wins over ND State, Kent St, Army, Baylor, Nebraska Colorado. Losses to Iowa, Kansas, Kansas St, A&M, OK St, Mizzou.   (6-6) defeated Minnesota in a bowl

He then  lost 2/3s of his games (25-49)

Hogwild

Quote from: kodiakisland on October 28, 2017, 11:51:47 am
Yeah. Thats how they sold that hire. 26-36 record I'm not so sure that was the case.

No matter how Enos left CMU, he went out with a bang.


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Anybody want to tell me how good of a job he's doing today?
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