Ben Herbert gone

[IronMountainHog]

Morris sent Body by Herb packing today. Good riddance I say. One of the biggest deficiencies of this team started with him.

[pigz]

When he first got here i thought we really had a good one. What happened to the freaks coming out?

[IronMountainHog]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

[RebelW]

#BODYBYTURD

[rzrbk4life]

Good. Was not impressed

[BoynamedWooPigSooie]

Best news I've heard today.  Body by Herb was a scam like Bielema

[TomasPistola]

It was impressive looking physiques, but no strength. Glad he's gone.

[havok]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

Agreed..

I think Herb was more into Body Sculpting instead of Strength, Power & Conditioning.    Seems like he wanted our guys to look good when they stepped off the bus, instead of looking good when stepping off the line of scrimmage at the snap.

[Wildhog]

Good.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

When he first got here i thought we really had a good one. What happened to the freaks coming out?

The Steaks came out...

[King Kong]

I like Ben i don't think the issue. But Morris needs to bring his guys because this team will need more running to get ready for next year.

[OnYourToes]

He came in on fire, yelling, spitting, talking about a Deacon and eating right, encouraging the freaks to come out. . . .

But we never really saw the results on the field.  I do not believe there was any follow through, or excitement with each year; no progression in his work  outs, plans, diet approach, or excitement beyond the initial introduction.  I think he just expected the kids to take what he had to offer and let that be enough; he didn't adapt or continue his enthusiasm. 

All of these were marks of CBB and his tenure.

So happy to have new fire in this team, I hope they can carry the fire through year one and beyond.

Any thoughts on who will be the new S&C Coach?

[TomasPistola]

If we're going fast, he should hire Nolan. He'd get them in shape.

[HawgTrough]

maybe we won't have so many feet issues now

[kellyc1925]

Nolan would kill a lineman.  Actually kill them.

[navyhog24]

[ipigsooie]

Hire Gruden! Well the mini Gruden anyway.

[hawgmasta]

Herbert's career here was a strange one; he came in with a ton of accolades and his Wisconsin teams were pretty physical. Our guys had "transformations" but never seemed to be stronger and it was apparent at the combine.

I don't know if it could all be on Ben, whenever your squaring up against future 1st round D and O lineman in the SEC you can work out all day and still get pushed around.

Still. . . That was supposed to be a strength of his

[UAGolfer1981]

I believe S&C was one of our major issues.  I tracked player weight and speed (40 yd time) for every player that participated in NFL Pro Day during the past 5 years.  Every player gained weight and had posted a slower 40 yd time on Pro Days.  Developing players to be big and slow doesn't work in the SEC.

Also, have you noticed our fastest players have always been the newest players on the roster.

CCM must recruit players that fit his scheme and we must recruit SPEED over bulk.

[BigE_23]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

Texas Tech & Texas in 2014...those are the only times I remember us physically dominating a P5 team. That said, I'm so glad that HerBERT is gone.

[Seebs]

I sent CCM my workout regime  #bodybyhostess

[ICEman]

It was impressive looking physiques, but no strength. Glad he's gone.

He was creating bodybuilders who had little or no stamina.

[Porkys Revenge]

Good. No more one legged, freaks come out at night broken feet issues. Still can't believe he had Williams do that. Injury waiting to happen.

[DeltaBoy]

Morris sent Body by Herb packing today. Good riddance I say. One of the biggest deficiencies of this team started with him.

Amen and I agree!!!

[ipigsooie]

Gotta keep someone with arkansas ties to recruiting. Lunney is a hell of a recruiter. He stays imo. Also saw that he and morris were recruiting together this week.

[BigE_23]

He was creating bodybuilders who had little or no stamina.

I didn't see any bodybuilders...I saw guys that looked soft, especially along the lines.

[navyhog24]

Hopefully, a lot less broken feet now

[Inhogswetrust]

I sent CCM my workout regime  #bodybyhostess

Let me guess. You like Twinkies...................

[Porkys Revenge]

I think it was a bad decision to fatten up Alex Collins as well. He seemed much more shifty as a freshman than he did later in his career.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

I can't name one team we pushed around, I can't name one team that didn't push us around.

I remember pushing Texas Tech around in 2014 but that's about it.

I remember looking at Herb's bio on the Arkansas website and even this year they talked about how he and Bielema's Wisconsin teams out scored teams in the 4th quarter by some ridiculous margin because of their physical conditioning. Sure as hell didn't happen here. In fact it was the complete opposite.

[Uncommon]

Also, have you noticed our fastest players have always been the newest players on the roster.

That is true.  I watched a Ravens game not too far back and Alex Collins looks completely different than he did his last year here.  I think he's a lot more explosive now since he's dropped some weight.

[PorkRinds]

Stay classy hog fans.  The man is gone. No need to kick him as he's headed out the door.

[SooieGeneris]

Herb did a great job of building strength and muscle mass and getting rid of fat on some like Kiero Small.

Where he failed was in increasing speed while building strength or at least maintaining speed while gaining strength.

Too many times we've had players who, like the old saying, looked like Tarzan and played like Jane.

Phil Simms or someone who played in the NFL a long time was recently talking about missing tackles repeatedly is not just a result of the limits on practice time, but a lack of speed.

Herb's failures ultimately fall on Bert, who took until the last recruiting class for it to sink in how important speed is in the SEC.

I'm still not sure it fully sunk in or we would have seen the ball in TJH's hands more than 3-4 times a game if that.

I know not all these kids, 24-25 of them 4 star recruits coming in, were NOT all slow and sluggish when they got here, but too many of them played that way after a year or two in Herb's S&C program.

With a new HC who made the statement that "if you don't have speed, you're chasing speed and you don't want to be chasing speed" in his opening presser, look for that to be priority #1 as soon as recruiting wraps up.

Clemson is a fast team with SEC type talent. They play 2 or more SEC teams a year on average the last few years. I look for CM to follow their blue print and maybe hire their assistant S&C guy soon to come in and work on that immediately.

Whenever the off season program can start, get this going as the staff is out recruiting.

I don't think this team is slow, but they have played that way due to Herb and Bert's strength over speed philosophy.

[fullfan]

To keep todays theme going:  Herb's song would have been Slow Ride by Foghat.

[Pig in the Pokey]

 

Morris sent Body by Herb packing today. Good riddance I say. One of the biggest deficiencies of this team started with him.

[Inhogswetrust]

I think it was a bad decision to fatten up Alex Collins as well. He seemed much more shifty as a freshman than he did later in his career.

My favorite run he made while here though was when he ran over some would be KSU tacklers in the Liberty Bowl!

[Seebs]

Let me guess. You like Twinkies...................

DIng Dongs/King Dons, Suzy Q's, Cupcakes, Fruit Pies, Ho-Hos ... but no Snowballs and no twinkies.

[ricepig]

I sent CCM my workout regime  #bodybyhostess

You have to alternate with #bodybylittledebbie to ever get anywhere, goodness.....

[wildturkey8]

Didn't see anything wrong with Collins. The best back I've seen at finding the hole.

[Uncommon]

DIng Dongs/King Dons, Suzy Q's, Cupcakes, Fruit Pies, Ho-Hos ... but no Snowballs and no twinkies.

Fruit pies!  /thread

[Ex-Trumpet]

DIng Dongs/King Dons, Suzy Q's, Cupcakes, Fruit Pies, Ho-Hos ... but no Snowballs and no twinkies.

Never underestimate the greatness of a deep-fried Twinkie.

[Hoggish1]

Morris sent Body by Herb packing today. Good riddance I say. One of the biggest deficiencies of this team started with him.

This is good news.  We'll need to be much more fit going forward.  End of freaks coming out at night... 

[Oklahawg]

I believe S&C was one of our major issues.  I tracked player weight and speed (40 yd time) for every player that participated in NFL Pro Day during the past 5 years.  Every player gained weight and had posted a slower 40 yd time on Pro Days.  Developing players to be big and slow doesn't work in the SEC.

Also, have you noticed our fastest players have always been the newest players on the roster.

CCM must recruit players that fit his scheme and we must recruit SPEED over bulk.

The speed thing with the combine is not unusual. Most Combine numbers drop, nationwide. All those sub-4.5 numbers disappear due to greater accuracy on the part of who is doing the timing.

That we seem to slow down as we added the appropriate weight is a problem that is not uncommon as well. Maybe we bulked up more than under other coaches and thus had more times slow down (if you don't add as much weight you'll not slow down as much). Nutt, for sure, was not opposed to keeping players smaller so they were faster.

[regi]

Good! Not sure how this guy escaped criticism the way he did.  We started every season,  the same way.  Fat and slow. I know the program was Bert's,  but at some point,  your strength coach,  has to see this,  get with HC,  and figure out a new plan.

[redeye]

Been waiting for this thread.

Every time we hire a new coach, the new S&C coach is heralded as great and the old S&C coach was terrible.

[Hoggish1]

Been waiting for this thread.

Every time we hire a new coach, the new S&C coach is heralded as great and the old S&C coach was terrible.

OK?  What is your verdict?

[masbas3]

It was impressive looking physiques, but no strength. Glad he's gone.

Reminds me of going to the gym and seeing these guys all puffed up using such stuff as Creatine, it puffs them up but it doesn't give you anything in the way of strength.

[nwahogfan1]

Morris sent Body by Herb packing today. Good riddance I say. One of the biggest deficiencies of this team started with him.

I do not know this but I think Herb worked our kids in the weight room exactly like what BIG BB told him.  BB was the Boss.

[BOAR_N2BWILD]

I heard that he broke his foot walking out of the office.

[Ex-Trumpet]

I heard that he broke his foot walking out of the office.