Santos Ramirez Post Game

[WilsonHog]

"We just gave up at the end and the scoreboard showed it."

[The Boar War]

“We just gave up at the end and the scoreboard showed it.”

Reminds me of quotes from the Pelphrey era.  "They just wanted it more" etc.  Even if it were true I couldn't imagine actually saying it.

[hoglady]

Man - wonder what Bielema thinks when his players make statements like that?

I've never seen a team have players admit to quitting as much as we do.

[porkrindjimmy]

"We just gave up at the end and the scoreboard showed it."

Santos shouldn't be saying that.

He should've went off.

PRJ

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Unfortunately, the statement matches the current culture of the program. No mental toughness. 

[hoglady]

Unfortunately, the statement matches the current culture of the program. No mental toughness. 

We really aren't very physically tough, either.

[alohawg]

"We just gave up at the end and the scoreboard showed it."

By end I assume he meant the entire 2nd half.

[Atlhogfan1]

Emotional frustrated player losing to his home state program. 

[Dark Helmet Hog]

We really aren't very physically tough, either.

touché

[Atlhogfan1]

By end I assume he meant the entire 2nd half.

Guessing after the failed fourth down. 

[TheEnemy]

Santos shouldn't be saying that.

He should've went off.

PRJ

I think he has been the only one with much fire.....and its just finally just wore him down.

He is probably just showing his frustration.

[rzrbk4life]

We really aren't very physically tough, either.

I'm watching the AU vs. GA game and it's amazing how much more physical those teams are. It's been a few years since I've seen a physical razorback team

[SPAL]

I don't mind him saying it. Everyone already knows it  anyway.

[hogsolutely]

It is so very sad to have to watch all this play out the way it is!   I mean there must be players that care, an performances, an extremely poor coaching is running them into the ground.  Good luck to those young men! I hope the future brings you something so much better!

[Vantage 8 dude]

Sad when one of your players is far more honest and willing to "tell it like it is" than the HC. Then again, the player doesn't have $4 million+ riding on his lies.

[hoglady]

Emotional frustrated player losing to his home state program. 

Yep - Ramirez always seems to play hard the whole game.
We had a number of LA players who I'm sure weren't pleased with the way this game played out.
There's been something terribly wrong with this team since the middle of last year - it's hard to know exactly what, but it's there.

[SoonerSooie]

Guessing after the failed fourth down. 

I could not believe that play call! I mean, ok, Kelly is 6'7" or whatever and 260, but when you telegraph that you are gonna run him into the line like we did, then the other team can just have all 11 guy run to that spot! I don't care how big you are, you can't make even one yard in that situation! I was sitting in my chair, and when I saw the alignment, I was iike, surely they aren't gonna just run it into the line??!!!??? But, of course they did, and it was game over. Sigh!

[farmhawg]

Yep - Ramirez always seems to play hard the whole game.
We had a number of LA players who I'm sure weren't pleased with the way this game played out.
There's been something terribly wrong with this team since the middle of last year - it's hard to know exactly what, but it's there.

Brettt.

[WilsonHog]

Santos said more than once that we didn't play four quarters. Also said that on the long touchdown pass, Henri thought the ball was overthrown and checked up.

[Atlhogfan1]

Santos said more than once that we didn't play four quarters. Also said that on the long touchdown pass, Henri thought the ball was overthrown and checked up.

Good to see some context added. 

[GunnerHawg70]

I'm watching the AU vs. GA game and it's amazing how much more physical those teams are. It's been a few years since I've seen a physical razorback team

Same here...players are big, fast, physical and bringing the wood!!! Makes ya wonder why these upper echelon SEC teams possess such high intensity players on the field...Hogs are scrappy but not prize fighters that I see out those type of teams...Even LSU was beatable today but just couldn't keep that drive, that fight up for the 2nd half...

[MissippHog]

Reminds me of quotes from the Pelphrey era.  "They just wanted it more" etc.  Even if it were true I couldn't imagine actually saying it.

Well, we all know a "warrior just has to kind of lay down on the ground for a minute, just stay there for a second, and have a good bleed. And just bleed."  All bleeding comes to an end eventually, one way or the other. 

[hogpc]

Unfortunately, the statement matches the current culture of the program. No mental toughness. 

Bingo!

[pigbacon]

I miss the passion on the field. A Tony Bua chasing a ref to the locker rooms type.

[Mo_Better_Hogs]

Unfortunately, the statement matches the current culture of the program. No mental toughness. 

That's how i could interpret that. I like Santos, and seems like a pretty tough player. So what was he saying there?

[johnny cash]

That statement  really all u guys need to know.

[Memhogs]

I could not believe that play call! I mean, ok, Kelly is 6'7" or whatever and 260, but when you telegraph that you are gonna run him into the line like we did, then the other team can just have all 11 guy run to that spot! I don't care how big you are, you can't make even one yard in that situation! I was sitting in my chair, and when I saw the alignment, I was iike, surely they aren't gonna just run it into the line??!!!??? But, of course they did, and it was game over. Sigh!

Dont forget out O-line couldnt get a push on a flag football team

[FATHAWG08]

Same here...players are big, fast, physical and bringing the wood!!! Makes ya wonder why these upper echelon SEC teams possess such high intensity players on the field...Hogs are scrappy but not prize fighters that I see out those type of teams...Even LSU was beatable today but just couldn't keep that drive, that fight up for the 2nd half...

,21 for Auburn reminds me of McFadden.

[jgphillips3]

That's how i could interpret that. I like Santos, and seems like a pretty tough player. So what was he saying there?

The past two games against pathetic opponents, a few players giving their all was enough...barely.  Against a good team, all 11 have to bring it.  It's obvious not all players on both sides are trying and that is definitely related to coaching.  Some players have quit because the coaches play favorites.  Some have quit because the coaches don't demand more of them.  It's just a damn mess.  Any damn coach we get with a halfway sound football mind, discipline and who demands nothing less than the best will win 8 with these same players next year and compete in the other four.

[rhames]

MAKE SANTOS INTERIM COACH

[Mo_Better_Hogs]

The past two games against pathetic opponents, a few players giving their all was enough...barely.  Against a good team, all 11 have to bring it.  It's obvious not all players on both sides are trying and that is definitely related to coaching.  Some players have quit because the coaches play favorites.  Some have quit because the coaches don't demand more of them.  It's just a damn mess.  Any damn coach we get with a halfway sound football mind, discipline and who demands nothing less than the best will win 8 with these same players next year and compete in the other four.

So many games this year, I get a deeper feeling than just the conclusion that "we are out-manned/out-talented" by the other team. That may be, but I feel it runs deeper. That we're not prepared strategically, mentally, psychologically.

I've been watching Razorback football since the mid 70s. I've seen a few bad teams over the years. But I've never thought what I'm thinking now. It is a mess.

[247Hog]

MAKE SANTOS INTERIM COACH

Salute to you Sir.

[Locutus_of_Boar]

Santos said more than once that we didn't play four quarters. Also said that on the long touchdown pass, Henri thought the ball was overthrown and checked up.

Santos just put his finger on the one defining characteristic of all Bielema's time in Fayetteville.  Win or lose it's very difficult to point to more than a tiny handful of games where his team played consistently well through the entire game.  They've done enough playing a quarter or half or OT to pull out some wins and they've collapsed completely in one quarter or OT to lose many games but there has never been any sense of consistency in this program for six years now.

Two quarters of good football by the defense plus two good possessions by the offense isn't going to get the job done many weeks and it didn't do the job today.

[HawgWild]

Reminds me of quotes from the Pelphrey era.  "They just wanted it more" etc.  Even if it were true I couldn't imagine actually saying it.

Somtimes you just got to lay there and bleed.

[JackTNHogfan]

"We just gave up at the end and the scoreboard showed it."

Translation: "We didn't want to tackle Guice because it hurts and Chark is just too fast to cover.  Plus our coaching staff sucks and the season is in the toilet.  So we gave up.  Kind of like telling people you quit your job after getting fired." 

[hoglady]

"I felt like guys didn't expect us to be in the game at half. They came in laughing at halftime. I kept telling them, we've gotta finish this game out." - Santos Ramirez

Here's another Ramirez quote I came across.

[Cave City Joe]

I blame the coaches.  If a player quits I would run him til he pukes

[DeltaBoy]

Some time you need to lay down and take a good bleed!

[Salted Pork]

I blame the coaches.  If a player quits I would run him til he pukes

You can't do that nowadays.

[Boston RedHogs]

"I felt like guys didn't expect us to be in the game at half. They came in laughing at halftime. I kept telling them, we've gotta finish this game out." - Santos Ramirez

Here's another Ramirez quote I came across.

I'm reminded of a scene in the movie Moneyball when Billy Beane finds his players cutting up in the locker room after a loss.

It bothers him. It eats at him because he's a competitor. He grabs a bat, busts open the boom box (before we had iPods), looks at the players dancing, laughing, having a good time, and asks them if losing is fun. "Are you guys are having fun......is losing FUN?"

This is the point;, and I'm referring to half time adjustments. There doesn't seem to be anyone in that locker room who can get an emotional rise out of this team. Our second half scoring differential with Bielema at the helm is atrocious. We come out flatlining

I love winning, as most do......but I hate losing even more; and there's a big difference between the two.

What I hate above all else is knowing we don't have a chance.

Our boys deserve better than this.....     

[The Boar War]

Somtimes you just got to lay there and bleed.

I feel like too much is made of the lay there and bleed comment and not enough is made of his color red diatribe from the same "press conference".

[RealHog]

I'm reminded of a scene in the movie Moneyball when Billy Beane finds his players cutting up in the locker room after a loss.

It bothers him. It eats at him because he's a competitor. He grabs a bat, busts open the boom box (before we had iPods), looks at the players dancing, laughing, having a good time, and asks them if losing is fun. "Are you guys are having fun......is losing FUN?"

This is the point;, and I'm referring to half time adjustments. There doesn't seem to be anyone in that locker room who can get an emotional rise out of this team. Our second half scoring differential with Bielema at the helm is atrocious. We come out flatlining

I love winning, as most do......but I hate losing even more; and there's a big difference between the two.

What I hate above all else is knowing we don't have a chance.

Our boys deserve better than this.....   

Solid reference, Good post. This team cant stay focused.

[Sundog]

No.

Lack of heart is internal, not external.

We failed to recruit men.  Blame the top?  Sure.

But we STILL don't have men on this roster.  The folks with numbers on their jerseys at game time own that, not coaches.

"You recruit your own problems"
~Bert Bulleema~

Nope; Bert failed

[Porkys Revenge]

Yep - Ramirez always seems to play hard the whole game.
We had a number of LA players who I'm sure weren't pleased with the way this game played out.
There's been something terribly wrong with this team since the middle of last year - it's hard to know exactly what, but it's there.

Probably the coach smelling of alcohol and falling asleep during team meetings.

[apcapri]

Our players take on the personalities of their coaches. Our coach is soft so our players are soft.

[EastexHawg]

The hits just keep on coming.  Like so many things, this is incredibly damning.

[farmhawg]

No.

Lack of heart is internal, not external.

We failed to recruit men.  Blame the top?  Sure.

But we STILL don't have men on this roster.  The folks with numbers on their jerseys at game time own that, not coaches.

Teresa still defending the coach, you do know hootie dale is gone?

[Mike_e]

These guys need to get their ears on straight.

It doesn't matter who the coach is or how bad he is when the time you get to go out and Hit somebody is fast coming to an end.

The thing that is really damning is as most here say, these players have been taught to find excuses rather than to just go out and live and let somebody else worry about what it all means.

[Swestwill66]

Our players take on the personalities of their coaches. Our coach is soft so our players are soft.

Absolutely!!!

[razorsharptusk]

He said what we all are already seeing. Not a shocker.  Him voicing it just confirms it.