David Lee or Malazahn??

[hogtastic14]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

[311Hog]

Gus 10 outa 10 times and twice on Sundays.

Sorry but i dont drink the Kool-aid of a TWICE FIRED coach coming back for round 3 with the UofA, with only Tony Romo as his lone positive (unproven as in only a few games he could suck this year).

[d1nonlyhogfan]

Gus has had major success at every stop in his career, including the SEC. David Lee, not so much.

[rodkell]

Gus - Hands down

Want to bet a grand that David Lee is not AP, Broyles, or Rivals Coordinator of the year ??

[Silver Hog]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

[D-Maczone]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

You know better than to say anything positive about any of the coaches.  Haven't you learned?  

[hawgrock]

I will take the coach with NFL experience over the high school coach.

[stormurr]

head and shoulders, malazahn is 10xs the OC that Lee is, was, will be and or every will be....that is just a fact.

[hogman64]

If Gus's career takes the same direction that Lee's has taken.............the direction of going around in circles and being under an incompetent  like Nutt after all these years in the college coaching business ...............he will be long gone from coaching ......he will never turn into a retread like David Lee............

[HogNuttz]

I'm well respected at my job too so I guess I would be a great offensive co. also.


My point is this, well respected in the NFL or not, he isn't/wasn't respected as an offensive co.

[mword]

Gus

[spurrr]

Right now I can't say cause I haven't seen what Lee can do BUT I think there is a big difference in developing a QB and running an offense. GM was a success , have to wait and see about Lee.

[Choctaw Hog]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Gus, hands down.  Lee has proven what he is capable or better yet, incapable of doing. 

[Landonhog]

I wish we had both, as it was intended. 

(Obviously Gus, if I had to choose one...)

[hogsluvmud]

David Le's been here before and couldn't get it done under Nutt or Hatfield. He was brought back because Mr. Integrity wanted to get rid of Malzahn. Lee's only chance at looking good this year is if D-Mac averages 200+ per game and Casey Dick gets run over by the trainer's cart.

[bsking]

gus has not proved anything.  The only reason everyone is saying gus is because they are the extremists wanting to strengthen their case against nutt.  high school is the only place so far that gus has been successful, and lee has been in the NFL.  NFL is a little bit of a step up from 5-A highschool football.

[311Hog]

what was David Lee's record at UTEP?

[Flatfoot]

Gus..........

David Lee has been here twice already.  If he was so great why did he leave?

[Choctaw Hog]

Hogs fans have a very short memory.  David Lee was replaced at Arkansas to improve the passing game but now has has been hired to improve it?  Only in the delusional world of Nutt ball.

[311Hog]

Hogs fans have a very short memory.  David Lee was replaced at Arkansas to improve the passing game but now has has been hired to improve it?  Only in the delusional world of Nutt ball.

lol no doubt.  I will always rather have the "up and comer" as oppose to the "never has been".

[grizzlyhawg]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He  was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

[hogtastic14]

Gus has had major success at every stop in his career, including the SEC. David Lee, not so much.

Ya Gus developed Mitch Mustain High school star and David Lee developed Tony ROMO NFL pro bowler.

[d1nonlyhogfan]

what was David Lee's record at UTEP?

He won 11 games total in 5 seasons.

[hogtastic14]

Gus..........

David Lee has been here twice already.  If he was so great why did he leave?

hmm.....be an assistant for the cowboys or the QB coach for the HOGS? Are you an idiot?

[TheHogFan]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Got to at least give Lee a chance this year, then we can decide whot he better choice is.

[noprayerfornutt]

As long as Nutt is there, it doesn't matter.

[TheHogFan]

head and shoulders, malazahn is 10xs the OC that Lee is, was, will be and or every will be....that is just a fact.

How is that a fact?

[hogtastic14]

Gus - Hands down

Want to bet a grand that David Lee is not AP, Broyles, or Rivals Coordinator of the year ??

I thought HDN called all the plays last year??? Remember darksider, Gus never got to run his offense

[bsking]

Gus - Hands down

Want to bet a grand that David Lee is not AP, Broyles, or Rivals Coordinator of the year ??

I thought HDN called all the plays last year??? Remember darksider, Gus never got to run his offense

FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

They preach that all the time, but change thier stories when trying to glorify an unworthy coach.

[HogNuttz]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He  was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

Look at the offensive numbers under Gus and look at the numbers under Lee and tell me who had the better change.  There is a lot more than offense that goes into a team winning a league championship.  Nutt is paid to win championships, or try to at least.  Gus and Lee are/were on the team to run the offense.  Compare them by what they were hired to do.

Anyway you want to spin it, this is fact:
-Lee was fired/quit because Arkansas wanted to improve the passing game.
-Gus was hired to improve the passing game
-The passing game did improve under Gus, at least until Dick was made the starter again, and probably for the season as a whole
-Gus was forced out to bring in Lee (who was previously fired/quit so we could improve passing) so we could improve passing.

[Choctaw Hog]

Hogs fans have a very short memory.  David Lee was replaced at Arkansas to improve the passing game but now has has been hired to improve it?  Only in the delusional world of Nutt ball.

lol no doubt.  I will always rather have the "up and comer" as oppose to the "never has been".

LOL +1 to you.

[Tomhog™]

The reason I say David Lee isn't based on who is the better OC.  It is based on which OC fits in better with Houston Nutt's vision of the offense.  Right or wrong, he is the head coach and choses the direction of the offense.  I might not like the direction, but that doesn't matter.  What matters is that if you have an OC that is on the same page as the HC, there will be more harmony on the sidelines, less confusion, and will be able to get the most out of the players.

I wish Gus would have fit in with the current staff, but he didn't and there's nothing we can do to change that.  Let's move forward with the new OC and see if the 3rd time is a charm...

[hogtastic14]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He  was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

Look at the offensive numbers under Gus and look at the numbers under Lee and tell me who had the better change.  There is a lot more than offense that goes into a team winning a league championship.  Nutt is paid to win championships, or try to at least.  Gus and Lee are/were on the team to run the offense.  Compare them by what they were hired to do.

David Lee was never here to "run the offense" he was a position coach

[311Hog]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He  was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

And what offense did we run in 1988 !? 

Mid Line Option.

Why again was David Lee hired?

LOL TO improve the passing game.

logical paradox anyone?

[Mr. Hog]

I'll take Malzahn if Nutt will grow a set and turn him loose.

We have all seen what Lee can do since this is his 3rd stint.

Fire the Dork !

[Choctaw Hog]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He  was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

Please explain the reason that Lee was fired, AT ARKANSAS, to improve the passing game if he was such an asset?

[heathman]

Lee!  Malazahn is a HS coach.  Lee coached in the NFL!

[311Hog]

Lee!  Malazahn is a HS coach.  Lee coached in the NFL!

LOL so many suckers born in this country it is amazing. You guys can be sold and tricked so easily.  Attach a few letters to someone's name and all of the sudden they are a freaking coaching genius !

Lets forget he was fired because our passing offense sucked years ago BY NUTT.

[HogNuttz]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

David Lee went 45-15-1 and we had five consecutive bowl appearances. He was made OC in 1988 and we won the SWC title in 1989

David came back again in 2001 and we won the SEC West. 

Gus watched DMac lead the team to  the SEC West title.

So actually no....

David was much more succesful than Gus was.....

but Gus did coach and Springdale and that is one of those intangibles that you can't coach or develop....you've either lived there or you haven't....

Yet I understand the attachment.  Gus likes to throw the ball and Ark has traditionally ran the ball too much. 

Look at the offensive numbers under Gus and look at the numbers under Lee and tell me who had the better change.  There is a lot more than offense that goes into a team winning a league championship.  Nutt is paid to win championships, or try to at least.  Gus and Lee are/were on the team to run the offense.  Compare them by what they were hired to do.

David Lee was never here to "run the offense" he was a position coach

According to a post I quoted, which is still quoted in this post, he was hired as OC in 1989.  Another point, at least they both worked on the offense, regardless of Lee's various job titles.  Compairing offensive stats is more relevant than comparing championships and overall records as neither had anything to do with defense, special teams, etc...

[311Hog]

I still find it hilarious that you guys are parading David Lee's SWC OPTION FOOTBALL championships around as a signal that he can improve our SHIETY passing game.

[Ugly Uncle]

Simply amazed that there are still people around that bring up this tired, illinformed argument.  Seriously guys...This has  been explained to you so many times.  Gus was the play caller, but it was HdN's system and play book.  Many times HdN took over the playcalling in critical situations.

I have to believe you guys are just being purposely ignorant, or trying to be funny.

Gus - Hands down

Want to bet a grand that David Lee is not AP, Broyles, or Rivals Coordinator of the year ??

I thought HDN called all the plays last year??? Remember darksider, Gus never got to run his offense

FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

They preach that all the time, but change thier stories when trying to glorify an unworthy coach.

[DeltaBoy]

Gus is a Offensive innovator while Lee is an Option QB Coaching retread who was fired before by Nutt because he couldn't get it done. Now if you think a few years in a NFL Film room going to turn Lee into a great offensive mind you are sorely delusional.

[paraloma]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Lee!  Malazahn is a HS coach.  Lee coached in the NFL!

[size=1000pt]IT'S "MALZAHN".[/size] 

There is no "A".


Plus David Lee has never been an offensive coordinator.  NEVAR.

[HogNuttz]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Lee!  Malazahn is a HS coach.  Lee coached in the NFL!

[size=1000pt]IT'S "MALZAHN".[/size] 

There is no "A".

I guess 1000 was just too big.

[BubbaHawg]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

You know whats funny....is in any other thread you same guys will say Nutt called all the plays and GM only called the plays for one series against USC.  So how has he proven himself or done more?  I like GM and wish he was still here but you guys contradict yourselves so bad its stupid.

[PigPusher]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Try Malzahn.

[HogNuttz]

Gus.

he did more in his 1 year here than Lee did in all the other times he has worked here.

You know whats funny....is in any other thread you same guys will say Nutt called all the plays and GM only called the plays for one series against USC.  So how has he proven himself or done more?  I like GM and wish he was still here but you guys contradict yourselves so bad its stupid.

I think Gus called most the plays, but whether or not they were his plays is another story.  The offense improved either way.

[Ex-Trumpet]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

Lee!  Malazahn is a HS coach.  Lee coached in the NFL!

[size=1000pt]IT'S "MALZAHN".[/size] 

There is no "A".


Plus David Lee has never been an offensive coordinator.  NEVAR.

Some folks give themselves up simply by the spelling of a name...

BTW, if David Lee was so crucial to Romo's development, why did Dallas let him go?  To a running team, no less!!

[AlcoHOGic]

Gus brought trick plays and some added motion thats about it. He called some good games, others you could tell he was a rookie coordinator. Fortunately for him he had Dmac, Alex Wood, and the Nutts to help him along.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Would some of you really rather have Gus Malazahn than David Lee? Malazahn is a very good coach and has a lot of talent but Is David Lee not deserving of the job over Gus? Tony Romo paid for Lee and his family to come to Hawaii with him to the pro bowl. He said that he owed his success to David Lee. I understand many of you are upset because Malazahn got the shaft which I think the way he left was not right, but what I don't understand is how anyone can say Malazahn is better than Lee. Lee has been in the pro game and is well respected around the NFL. I for one think he is a great hire and support him 100% I understand many on here love Gus but he is gone now and it is not David Lees fault that some people would rather support Tulsa because of their hate for HDN

If not Gus, give me Mike Stoops or Mike Leach. At least they haven't been in the batter's box already and have two strikes against them.