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HeyHogs

I really am hating this whole thing.

 

jgphillips3

It's done.  Everyone knows it's done.  Bielema just didn't have what it takes.  That's no sin.  The sin was on the part of Long deciding that he knew Better than "us" and was going to shove that turd sandwich down our throat whether we liked it or not.  It's time to let him leave gracefully and get ready for, hopefully, a better future.  There is talent up there. A new staff isn't set, but they will have some nice pieces to build around.

Potosihog

I know they get paid a lot of money.  But they are human beings.  It is time for change I agree.  Let's do it with some sense of class and respect.  Hopefully all these guys land on their feet somewhere soon

missippihog

Bret isn't a bad man, it just didn't work out. He will be fine elsewhere, I just hope his assistants and their families will be also. It's an unfortunate part of the business of college football. 

870hogfan

I really like Coach B and wanted this so bad to work and hope to God he has a bright future a head of him. He's a good guy and a good coach just didn't work out here.

Großer Kriegschwein

Bad fit. Couldn't get surrounded by coaches that didn't need him to weigh in like he did at Wisconsin.

Just look at our special teams for an example of that.
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I like the guy too.  The guy grew up on a hog farm.  How perfect is that?  At least it seemed to be in the beginning.  For whatever reason, he just couldn't get it done.  I wish him well.
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DeltaBoy

Great guy but he just didn't work out!
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 20, 2017, 08:26:41 pm
Bret Bielema reflects on what could be his last week on the job at Arkansas:

http://www.nwahomepage.com/razorback-nation/the-other-side-of-coaching/861178581
Good article.

This is the real kicker in the whole thing and why people who go from discussion of performance into personal attacks on the staff need to back off:

'"It's harder on the families than it is us," Enos stressed.'


Smashmouth2004

Bielema is a great guy and the players love him for good reason. The reason he failed here, he didn't surround himself with good recruiters familiar with the south but thought he could just develop and out coach his competition.

zuko

I can't buy it Mike.  BB getting 3.4 million a year with a net worth of 8 mil and could get another 14.5 mill in the buyout. So, how can you expect me to take my hanky out and cry along with that whole group. I can't. The guy who gets up every morning to eek out a living for his family won't see that 3.4 mil in  al lifetime. They didn't deliver and have to be held accountable and it's hard for me to accept being accountable is getting rewarded 14.5 mil for being fired. So, no tears from me. BB won the popularity contest but didn't win enough games. Looking forward to new people with a fresh start hopefully with SEC personnel but no novices, please. Have a good day.

hogsmash12

Quote from: zuko on November 20, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
I can't buy it Mike.  BB getting 3.4 million a year with a net worth of 8 mil and could get another 14.5 mill in the buyout. So, how can you expect me to take my hanky out and cry along with that whole group. I can't. The guy who gets up every morning to eek out a living for his family won't see that 3.4 mil in  al lifetime. They didn't deliver and have to be held accountable and it's hard for me to accept being accountable is getting rewarded 14.5 mil for being fired. So, no tears from me. BB won the popularity contest but didn't win enough games. Looking forward to new people with a fresh start hopefully with SEC personnel but no novices, please. Have a good day.

There's nothing to buy from Mike. He just reported it. Everything else I agree with. There's no tears to be she'd for the guy riding into the future with millions in his bank account. It's time for Razorback nation to get back to grass roots and throw away all of the new age trendy motif.  Bring back tradition. Bring back the hairs standing up on your arm during a 4th quarter hog call. Bring back hard hitting safeties and home run hitting running backs.  WPS!

 

moses_007

Quote from: zuko on November 20, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
I can't buy it Mike.  BB getting 3.4 million a year with a net worth of 8 mil and could get another 14.5 mill in the buyout. So, how can you expect me to take my hanky out and cry along with that whole group. I can't. The guy who gets up every morning to eek out a living for his family won't see that 3.4 mil in  al lifetime. They didn't deliver and have to be held accountable and it's hard for me to accept being accountable is getting rewarded 14.5 mil for being fired. So, no tears from me. BB won the popularity contest but didn't win enough games. Looking forward to new people with a fresh start hopefully with SEC personnel but no novices, please. Have a good day.
He's earning $4.4 million a year here, and the buyout, if we fire him, will be around $5.7 million, payable over at least a 5 year period.

By the time he gets all of the buyout, he will have made somewhere around $20 million to win an average of 2.2 SEC games a season.  Let that sink in.

BearsBisonsBoars

Quote from: zuko on November 20, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
I can't buy it Mike.  BB getting 3.4 million a year with a net worth of 8 mil and could get another 14.5 mill in the buyout. So, how can you expect me to take my hanky out and cry along with that whole group. I can't. The guy who gets up every morning to eek out a living for his family won't see that 3.4 mil in  al lifetime. They didn't deliver and have to be held accountable and it's hard for me to accept being accountable is getting rewarded 14.5 mil for being fired. So, no tears from me. BB won the popularity contest but didn't win enough games. Looking forward to new people with a fresh start hopefully with SEC personnel but no novices, please. Have a good day.

Because he makes more than you, he isn't worthy of compassion?

Petty and small.

Tortfeasor

I feel for anyone that loses their job no matter how much they make. His assistants don't have a multi million dollar buyout. This affects children as well. Either keep it classy and wish them the best, or keep your mouth shut. This applies to those that desire to tweet or comment directly to them.

Boarcephus

Quote from: jgphillips3 on November 20, 2017, 08:48:17 pm
The sin was on the part of Long deciding that he knew Better than "us" and was going to shove that turd sandwich down our throat whether we liked it or not.

That's the reason Long is despised by the majority of the people.  You been around his type, the smartest person in the room on any subject.  Just hate everything about him.  Bielema, on the other hand, just a great guy you wished had succeeded here for a number of reasons.  Just not the man for this job. 
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hog of steele

Quote from: Boarcephus on November 21, 2017, 07:49:26 am
That's the reason Long is despised by the majority of the people.  You been around his type, the smartest person in the room on any subject.  Just hate everything about him.  Bielema, on the other hand, just a great guy you wished had succeeded here for a number of reasons.  Just not the man for this job.

Your evaluation is off. Long isn't despised by the majority of people. Long (likely) just got caught up in palace intrigue. Some folks are just too emotional and had a fire everybody attitude.

jgphillips3

Quote from: hog of steele on November 21, 2017, 07:58:11 am
Your evaluation is off. Long isn't despised by the majority of people. Long (likely) just got caught up in palace intrigue. Some folks are just too emotional and had a fire everybody attitude.

The only place he is off, possibly, is by saying majority.  Lots of people who actually had to deal with him in more than a 'meet and greet' fashion seem to feel that way about Long.  To be fair, others don't, but he isn't some great guy that got caught up in palace intrigue.  He absolutely mistreated some good people who didn't deserve it; some others got what they deserved.  It's his inability to distinguish and his manner that got him.

VegasHog

I hope nothing but the best for every member of the football staff and their families. I also hope that everyone in the athletic department, who are destined to be effected by the change in leadership, also gets treated with respect for the hard work they have put in over the years. I have worked in some high profile positions in my career, been let go, sometimes slammed publicly, and yes it hurts.

WilsonHog

Here's what I don't get.

Bielema has had plenty of critics since the day he was hired, and plenty more since then due to his won/loss record. By all appearances, his time as the Razorbacks' head coach is about to come to an end. 

Shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't it be enough that he's going to lose his job, that he's going to have to uproot his family and sell his home, that his professional reputation has taken a huge hit while in Fayetteville?

Unfortunately, for some of our fans it isn't. They certainly lack the class to simply wish the man well and move forward. It's like they hold some personal grudge against him.

Bret Bielema is not the first football coach who has failed at the University of Arkansas. He will not be the last one to fail, either.

TexArkHogFan

 "indicated that following the Missouri game he plans on being up early Saturday morning to head out recruiting."  That doesn't sound like he's already been told that Friday will be his last game as coach of the Razorbacks.
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PolishPigPower

My wild prediction for 2020 is that Bert becomes the replacement for Lee Corso and does an amazing job on the pregame set.  Best of luck to him and the rest of the staff, but I hope the future becomes the present at 6pm Friday.
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Pigdiana Jones

It doesn't matter if he made 100 million a year. He's still a human being, and as such deserves respect as any other. BB is a good guy. Does he deserve to lose his job? Yes. Does he deserve the absolute hateful crap? Absolutely not.
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Quote from: Arkansas Traveler on November 21, 2017, 09:02:12 am
Here's what I don't get.

Bielema has had plenty of critics since the day he was hired, and plenty more since then due to his won/loss record. By all appearances, his time as the Razorbacks' head coach is about to come to an end. 

Shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't it be enough that he's going to lose his job, that he's going to have to uproot his family and sell his home, that his professional reputation has taken a huge hit while in Fayetteville?

Unfortunately, for some of our fans it isn't. They certainly lack the class to simply wish the man well and move forward. It's like they hold some personal grudge against him.

Bret Bielema is not the first football coach who has failed at the University of Arkansas. He will not be the last one to fail, either.

Perfectly worded

PorkRinds

Quote from: Boarcephus on November 21, 2017, 07:49:26 am
That's the reason Long is despised by the majority of the people.  You been around his type, the smartest person in the room on any subject.  Just hate everything about him.  Bielema, on the other hand, just a great guy you wished had succeeded here for a number of reasons.  Just not the man for this job.

Long isn't despised by the majority of the people.

Hogwarrior

Wow! This thread shouldn't be called the "other side of coaching,"  it should simply be called LIFE!  Look, people get fired every day.  Do you think their families aren't hurt and unsure of their futures?  He's riding out with millions, most people don't get that opportunity.  All I want is to see him gone by Sunday afternoon!  I don't care where he goes or what he does as long as it's not at UA!

HoggieStyle

Quote from: BearsBisonsBoars on November 21, 2017, 12:39:18 am
Because he makes more than you, he isn't worthy of compassion?

Petty and small.

You're gonna have a problem garnering a lot of sympathy for individuals who have made the kind of money that Bielema has made during his tenure here. Typically, the larger issue with losing a job is loss of income. Yeah, he's going to lose income, but he should have plenty stored up for this rainy day that's just ahead. You can call it class envy, or whatever, but it really is hard to spin up much sympathy.

HognotinMemphis

Quote from: HeyHogs on November 20, 2017, 08:37:50 pm
I really am hating this whole thing.
Why? It is called change. Life is full of it always. Usually, change is a positive. Certainly is in this case. BB was compensated well, as was his staff, he had more than enough time to show improvement, and he was given every tool to aid him in that purpose. He failed. Some people fail some time. When it looks like someone is in over their head, and it certainly looks that way in this situation, change occurs. People leave for better, higher-paying jobs, or they retire, or they die, and they get fired.

I am not hating this whole thing in the least. It is time, maybe even past time, for BB to move on, along with his mediocre staff. I certainly do not hate this for the U of A, its students and its alums. Poor students who graduate this year had 4 terrible years of football to watch. Sad for them.
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zuko

Quote from: Großer Kriegschwein on November 20, 2017, 08:53:41 pm
Bad fit. Couldn't get surrounded by coaches that didn't need him to weigh in like he did at Wisconsin.

Just look at our special teams for an example of that.
Still a mystery to me as to why all of his assistants that came from Wisconsin with him left soon after coming here.

zuko

Quote from: Tortfeasor on November 21, 2017, 07:22:01 am
I feel for anyone that loses their job no matter how much they make. His assistants don't have a multi million dollar buyout. This affects children as well. Either keep it classy and wish them the best, or keep your mouth shut. This applies to those that desire to tweet or comment directly to them.
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Tortfeasor

Quote from: zuko on November 21, 2017, 12:50:30 pm
They made the choice of their career so now, live with it, like we all do.

Did you have a point?

Kevin

Quote from: TexArkHogFan on November 21, 2017, 09:02:36 am
"indicated that following the Missouri game he plans on being up early Saturday morning to head out recruiting."  That doesn't sound like he's already been told that Friday will be his last game as coach of the Razorbacks.

what do expect him to say.  I have no idea what I am doing sunday.
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UA1985

When you enter a 7-figure-salary employment agreement, whether you're a CEO, pro athlete or coach, you agree to be judged harshly based on objective results (stock price for the CEO, wins for the coach). He's a nice guy, great ambassador for the program, etc., but he failed miserably in the results department.

jkstock04

Quote from: Arkansas Traveler on November 21, 2017, 09:02:12 am
Here's what I don't get.

Bielema has had plenty of critics since the day he was hired, and plenty more since then due to his won/loss record. By all appearances, his time as the Razorbacks' head coach is about to come to an end. 

Shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't it be enough that he's going to lose his job, that he's going to have to uproot his family and sell his home, that his professional reputation has taken a huge hit while in Fayetteville?

Unfortunately, for some of our fans it isn't. They certainly lack the class to simply wish the man well and move forward. It's like they hold some personal grudge against him.

Bret Bielema is not the first football coach who has failed at the University of Arkansas. He will not be the last one to fail, either.
I can explain what you don't get...the majority of the vitriol isn't aimed directly at Bielema but instead at the people who constantly, and defiantly shoved him down fans' throats as the best coach and recruiter Arkansas had seen in modern times. All that has not only been proven wrong but dead wrong.

I'm also in the crowd that doesn't shed a tear for his family. The upper .01% of the country will never have to worry about the same things the average American does. This guys net worth is probably at the very least 20-25 million. Likely a lot more than that. Lol "poor poor family." No telling what kind of buyout he's going to get for a Thanksgiving/xmas present.

This is what these guys sign up for...name of the game. They get huge salaries and leverage themselves (threatening to leave via agents working deals) at the end of the year huge raises...and then a guy like Saban or even Malzahn wants to moan, whine, and cry foul. Sometimes it seems like they want the fame, want the $$$$, but then don't want to be held accountable. Arkansas is more lenient than most schools. Bielema basically came here for a 5 year multi million dollar vacation and that's what he got. Cry me a river.
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jgphillips3

Quote from: Arkansas Traveler on November 21, 2017, 09:02:12 am
Here's what I don't get.

Bielema has had plenty of critics since the day he was hired, and plenty more since then due to his won/loss record. By all appearances, his time as the Razorbacks' head coach is about to come to an end. 

Shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't it be enough that he's going to lose his job, that he's going to have to uproot his family and sell his home, that his professional reputation has taken a huge hit while in Fayetteville?

Unfortunately, for some of our fans it isn't. They certainly lack the class to simply wish the man well and move forward. It's like they hold some personal grudge against him.

Bret Bielema is not the first football coach who has failed at the University of Arkansas. He will not be the last one to fail, either.

As other posters have pointed out, the vitriol has much more to do with what Long and some posters on this board have said about Bielema than what Bielema himself has said and done.  Now, his own actions have earned many a WTH moment but once he is actually gone, all but the angriest among us will forgive and move on...unless Bielema decides to completely burn things down on his way out.  I do actually feel sorry for the guy.  However, he's a big boy and well paid.  He'll find another job.  I don't hate him and never will.  I just want him gone and the next guy to get his turn.  If that guy works out, great.  If not, next...that's how football works.

TexArkHogFan

Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2017, 01:40:11 pm
what do expect him to say.  I have no idea what I am doing sunday.
You missed my point.  It was reported in several places, including HV. that he has already been told he will be let go after the Missouri game.  He could have said nothing at all, but chose to say he would be out recruiting on Saturday.  Although he did say that could change.
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tolerati

Quote from: Arkansas Traveler on November 21, 2017, 09:02:12 am
Here's what I don't get.

Bielema has had plenty of critics since the day he was hired, and plenty more since then due to his won/loss record. By all appearances, his time as the Razorbacks' head coach is about to come to an end. 

Shouldn't that be enough? Shouldn't it be enough that he's going to lose his job, that he's going to have to uproot his family and sell his home, that his professional reputation has taken a huge hit while in Fayetteville?

Unfortunately, for some of our fans it isn't. They certainly lack the class to simply wish the man well and move forward. It's like they hold some personal grudge against him.

Bret Bielema is not the first football coach who has failed at the University of Arkansas. He will not be the last one to fail, either.

I agree 100%
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Martygit

It has been my observation, not just in relation to coaching jobs but as to life in general, that there are those in life who are not successful and take great pleasure in taking down those who are.  Most of the comments in this thread are sympathetic because BB losing his job is going to mean uprooting his family as well as those working for him and, face it, it's never pleasant to get fired.

The other negative comments, have the same thread running through them - that is, that he's made a bunch of money so eff him - my guess is that those comments are coming from those people referred to above - the ones who resent anyone who has been successful (financially) in life and celebrate anytime something negative happens to them.
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TNRazorbacker

The change is needed but I absolutely despise the demonization that typically happens in these situations. Its not enough to fire a man people feel like they have to insult, tar and feather him prior. I get that people are passionate about the program and that provokes unseemly behavior at times, but doesn't excuse it. Everyone has a choice not to be a douchebag.

When Bielema and his staff leaves I will wish them and their families well and I hope they find happiness and success on their next stop.

tolerati

Quote from: TNRazorbacker on November 21, 2017, 04:27:29 pm
The change is needed but I absolutely despise the demonization that typically happens in these situations. Its not enough to fire a man people feel like they have to insult, tar and feather him prior. I get that people are passionate about the program and that provokes unseemly behavior at times, but doesn't excuse it. Everyone has a choice not to be a douchebag.

When Bielema and his staff leaves I will wish them and their families well and I hope they find happiness and success on their next stop.

Well said.
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RideTillIDieHawg

No sympathy at all.

Bert got paid MILLIONS of dollars and let the fans, players, and university down by doing a half-ass job and coasting at everything except the buffet line.

Mr Jade

Bret is a good man. He didn't work out here, and that's unfortunate. I wish it had, and I wish him luck.
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durock

All my life I had heard that Razorback fans had more class than any others. Now that I've been on HV for awhile,  I wonder where they went.  Some of you guys sound like second graders making personal attacks.

LRHawg

Quote from: moses_007 on November 20, 2017, 11:41:25 pm
He's earning $4.4 million a year here, and the buyout, if we fire him, will be around $5.7 million, payable over at least a 5 year period.

By the time he gets all of the buyout, he will have made somewhere around $20 million to win an average of 2.2 SEC games a season.  Let that sink in.

I wont shed a tear, he took us to the cleaners.

hotdog hog

Quote from: Mr Jade on November 21, 2017, 07:45:17 pm
Bret is a good man. He didn't work out here, and that's unfortunate. I wish it had, and I wish him luck.
I totally agree with this statement.
I also believe in my heart, had he not been stubborn/loyal however you want to label it and made a line coaching change when every alumnus that had ever played, coaches, talking heads on the radio, newspaper reporters and fans that called him out for the poor play of the OL, we wouldn't be where we are today. I believe he would be back next season but on the hot seat.

Youve  got to own it. People are quicker to be forgiving when a coach says we were horrible, we didn't tackle, we play like we're scared, obviously I'm not putting enough expectations on my staff because we ain't getting it done.  He only dabbled a few times but didn't jump in.


GolfHog

PLease spare me. $4mil a year and close to a mil for coordinators. Too bad. All of that to lift weights and throw a ball around with 20 year olds. No tears here. It's like feeling sorry for a professional golfer. Give me a break. Bert leaves here with $20 mil.

hog.goblin

Quote from: Potosihog on November 20, 2017, 08:50:32 pm
I know they get paid a lot of money.  But they are human beings.  It is time for change I agree.  Let's do it with some sense of class and respect.  Hopefully all these guys land on their feet somewhere soon

This, so much of this.  Some of these coaches are parents with kids in schools.  It's hard.  Money helps.  It can still be done with class and respect.

hog of steele

There are a couple here that say the animosity wasn't toward the coach. I just read a post that called him Shrek. The animosity was and still is for the coach. Even after he is fired some folks can't just be nice.

SooieGeneris

I don't hate the guy, never have and wish him the best in his future endeavors, as long as he doesn't slash and burn on the way out.

I don't think he will, but if he chooses that route, feed him fish heads.

What I don't like about this weepy narrative is the whole "these guys are human, they have families" etc.

No one is disputing that point, but neither should we fail to realize that a fan making $40,000 a year or so, maybe less, is human too and has a family too and spends a lot of $$$ to go to games.

Fighting the traffic, finding a safe place to park that hopefully won't take forever to get out of after the game, getting on a packed bus or walking up to the stadium only to see a listless effort by a team that appears totally lost in the 2nd half of games
is not pricele$$.

Being packed into the bleachers like sardines, and having a drink spilled on you by a drunken fan who complains loudly about anything and everything. People arrive late and want to squeeze past you to their seat, right in the middle of a critical play.

You nearly trip and fall over the bleachers because of the girth of the passerby and feel like you just had to do a gymnastic routine to keep from falling.

You deal with long bathroom lines if you dare go, again having to do gymnastics to get to the aisle. Long concession lines, sometimes cold food, watered down drinks, high prices, but you don't dare try to sneak any food in.

If you dare to groan about a dropped pass or a bonehead play, there is usually a holier than thou fan there to inform: "If you cain't do any better, don't talk" or "git out there yerself!"

Of course, no one dares to try to repress that person's 1st amendment rights if they bag on a favorite scapegoat player of their choosing, blaming the QB for dropped passes or getting earholed from the blind side by a "lookout" block within 2 seconds.

"He only starts 'cause his last name's Allen!" is a common refrain. Surprisingly, it often turns out the offender comes from Springdale and has a hatred of all things "Fettvull" ceptin' the Hogs.

Or a player comes from Possum Grape's archrival and thus is a scumbag..or their nephew is twice as good as him, but those "idiot coaches didn't 'croot 'im."

All that enters into the equation. These are things the hoity-toities don't have to deal with mostly, entertaining up in their suites. With each loss the frustration mounts until many just don't feel it's worth the hassle of paying what for some is a week's wages to go to the games when it is on TV.

Dealing with all the above only to see the coach dawdle late in the first half with 2 TOs left that can't be carried over and sit on a tenuous lead.

The other team nearly always scores on their first possession of the 2nd half and we enter the 4th quarter with the coaches and players holding up 4 fingers.

Then we feel the familiar "I've seen this movie before" feeling as the lead slowly slips away and the head coach has that befuddled look on his face after another of his bonehead moves blows up in our face.

We lose and get the same tired refrain of "we're so close", "it's a microwave world", "great things are coming", "we're so banged up" etc.

Meanwhile, media homers and hoity toities who seem to think this program is their personal plaything compare the fans to "terrorists" or a "lynch mob", which is spitting in the face of anyone whose ancestors were actually lynched or anyone who has lost a loved one to acts of terror.

"We must be patient". It takes (add 1 to the number of years the coach has been in place) years to rebuild a program we are lectured. Amos Alonzo Stagg or some other old time coach didn't win until his 17th year or some such nonsense.

The injury excuse as if we are the only program in FBS to suffer an injury this season.

All this adds up to frustration and those people who make nowhere near as much as even the position coaches are told to cry a river for them because they are about to get fired from a job most could only dream of having in the first place.

Real people get fired or have their job cut out every day and many did their jobs better than any coach on this staff has done their's by far.

And in the real world, they don't have a Brinks truck backed up to the front door to haul off all the money the school gives them to go away.

I hope they all land on their feet, find other jobs and aren't hassled by anyone on their way out, but perspective, PLEASE!

KJ Jefferson, one of only 2 QBs in UA history to go 2-0 in Bowl Games..

Mac attack: McAdoo & McGlothern co-winners of the Thorpe Award 2023?