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nwa_razorback_coffee

Quote from: Grizzlyfan on November 20, 2017, 10:19:24 am
Join us in the 21st century.

You're probably right. I should throw away my antiquated biographies of dinosaurs such as Switzer, Landry, and Lombardi and spend more time reading your online posts.

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Hog Fan...DOH! on November 20, 2017, 10:23:58 am

Before taking the LSU job, Saban apparently questioned how a program situated around all that talent could really be so mediocre.  He took the job, focused on in-state recruiting (duh), then won a title. 

He saw the job for what it was, fixed the problem, then won at a level that program had never seen before (even if LSU fans seem to forget about history prior to 2000).

Bielema talked a big game, but didn't take the same approach when he arrived at Arkansas.

That fix isn't available at Arkansas. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

 

cityhog

Quote from: hogsanity on November 20, 2017, 09:17:21 am
mean. I keep seeing that any new coach or AD has to do those two things. What does that mean exactly.

It means 'talks and thinks like I do.'

RexMentor

Understands Arkansas is GOBN code for plays two or three games in LR each year, takes my phone calls and doesn't take my parking. Doesn't forget to kiss the ring and call me Godfather.

ShadowHawg

Bobby Petrino wasn't a southerner.

Saban and Meyer weren't from the South.

Athog

Quote from: hogsanity on November 20, 2017, 09:17:21 am
mean. I keep seeing that any new coach or AD has to do those two things. What does that mean exactly.


Means nothing! It is ignorant gone to seed!

aloha_kid

Quote from: sir-pigs-a-lot on November 20, 2017, 09:23:42 am
Have you been to any sporting event in the last several years? There just seems to be a different feel to it. Feels like it's corporate. I don't know how to explain it, but it doesn't seem authentic.

For me, it means understanding the culture that is the razorbacks. Understanding that we are a passionate fanbase, even if the hillbillies take it too far.  Understand that being the 3rd best team in the state is unacceptable and should never happen .




Hello.  Just how many people living in NW Arkansas don't work for the corporate man?  How many of those people are 'from' Arkansas and how many are transplants? 

College athletics is big business, especially in the south.  My guess is that's why it doesn't feel the same.  I don't think it has much to do with the head coach.  Those schools in the south that still have a traditional feel, didn't have the same growth over the past 30 years.

greenie

I'm a born and bread southerner to the bone, but this "understands Arkansas" and "gets the South" is just stupid.  It's not hard to understand Arkansas.  It's no different than any other major college football program.  It has traditions that people love.  It has rabid fans.  There have been many successful coaches in the SEC that weren't southern (Petrino?).  Long alienated people and ousted the GOBN, and in the end, it cost him his job.  It had nothing to do with not being from the South.  Bielema just couldn't put enough wins together, but he recruited as well as anyone has in the last 30+ years.  Can we recruit better?  Maybe, but it won't be because he's southern.  This country has become very small, and regional allegiance from recruits (especially the very highly-rated ones) has become very low.  There's lots of players from the southeast at Ohio State and Michigan.  Narrowing your search to those who are "southern" is just plain stupid.  We need to find the best recruiter we can find...I don't care where he's from.  Better players make coaching a lot easier.  It just so happens that the most proven recruiter on our "new coach wish list", also happens to be southern (and from Arkansas).  I guess that's working in his favor for some bizarre reason.

ballinhog

I think it means understanding the need to recruit speed. Without speed you have no chance in the SEC. Bielema showed us that

hawgon

Quote from: greenie on November 20, 2017, 10:41:32 am
I'm a born and bread southerner to the bone, but this "understands Arkansas" and "gets the South" is just stupid.  It's not hard to understand Arkansas.  It's no different than any other major college football program.  It has traditions that people love.  It has rabid fans.  There have been many successful coaches in the SEC that weren't southern (Petrino?).  Long alienated people and ousted the GOBN, and in the end, it cost him his job.  It had nothing to do with not being from the South.  Bielema just couldn't put enough wins together, but he recruited as well as anyone has in the last 30+ years.  Can we recruit better?  Maybe, but it won't be because he's southern.  This country has become very small, and regional allegiance from recruits (especially the very highly-rated ones) has become very low.  There's lots of players from the southeast at Ohio State and Michigan.  Narrowing your search to those who are "southern" is just plain stupid.  We need to find the best recruiter we can find...I don't care where he's from.  Better players make coaching a lot easier.  It just so happens that the most proven recruiter on our "new coach wish list", also happens to be southern (and from Arkansas).  I guess that's working in his favor for some bizarre reason.

Bielema and Long did not get Arkansas because they did not get our perception of where we belong in the college football landscape.  You can argue, as some do that we are unrealistic, but for purposes of this discussion, it matters not if we are. 

Grizzlyfan

Quote from: nwa_razorback_coffee on November 20, 2017, 10:28:12 am
You're probably right. I should throw away my antiquated biographies of dinosaurs such as Switzer, Landry, and Lombardi and spend more time reading your online posts.
Darn tootin.

Well you just added two nfl coaches to the conversation.  But don't you think the world of recruiting might have changed just a wee bit since Barry's hay day?

RME

Quote from: greenie on November 20, 2017, 10:41:32 am
I'm a born and bread southerner to the bone, but this "understands Arkansas" and "gets the South" is just stupid.  It's not hard to understand Arkansas.  It's no different than any other major college football program.  It has traditions that people love.  It has rabid fans.  There have been many successful coaches in the SEC that weren't southern (Petrino?).  Long alienated people and ousted the GOBN, and in the end, it cost him his job.  It had nothing to do with not being from the South.  Bielema just couldn't put enough wins together, but he recruited as well as anyone has in the last 30+ years.  Can we recruit better?  Maybe, but it won't be because he's southern.  This country has become very small, and regional allegiance from recruits (especially the very highly-rated ones) has become very low.  There's lots of players from the southeast at Ohio State and Michigan.  Narrowing your search to those who are "southern" is just plain stupid.  We need to find the best recruiter we can find...I don't care where he's from.  Better players make coaching a lot easier.  It just so happens that the most proven recruiter on our "new coach wish list", also happens to be southern (and from Arkansas).  I guess that's working in his favor for some bizarre reason.

Good post. I love Arkansas. I've lived in Washington DC for a year and a half now and am almost ready to try and get back. But the belief that the state or university is some extreme Southern anomaly is a little far-fetched.

longpig

Don't be scared, be smart.

 

ballz2thewall

Quote from: Malvin on November 20, 2017, 10:21:24 am
For me, it means understanding how stubborn people in the South can be.  In a way we are very Redneck which can mean doing something stupid to 'get it done'.  If the house is burning down and somebody needs to go in to save the gold fish, count on somebody from Arkansas being stupid enough to do it.  This culture has allowed Arkansas to win over the years despite not having the best players and having to overcome other disadvantages.  Nutt understood this, it's why his preacher approach worked so well here.

We need a coach that understands this situation and use it to allow Arkansas to excel in football.   

the villagers pursued frankenstein for wearing a blazer over a turtleneck.
The rest of the frog.

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: hawgon on November 20, 2017, 10:45:02 am
Bielema and Long did not get Arkansas because they did not get our perception of where we belong in the college football landscape.  You can argue, as some do that we are unrealistic, but for purposes of this discussion, it matters not if we are.

What is our perception and what was theirs? 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

jneal56

Quote from: hogsanity on November 20, 2017, 09:17:21 am
mean. I keep seeing that any new coach or AD has to do those two things. What does that mean exactly.

That's a good question and I'm certain there will be a myriad of answers, all are correct and incorrect simultaneously depending on who you ask. I honestly don't believe any of us Hog fans care where the coach and/or AD are from as long as the football team is winning. So many people want to argue that we are not a football school but the fact of the matter is, we are a football school regardless of the lack of wins. Football is what generates the revenue for the entire men's athletic program. I'm sure some will argue because of the Track titles but I've never bought any apparel because of Track nor have I ever even attended a meet. The face of Arkansas Razorback Men's Athletics is the sport of Football, making us a football school. Basketball and Baseball teams are pretty decent, as is a few other sports. Did that help our AD keep his job? Nope! Football school.

So my answer to that question would be as many have stated, you have to understand that passion that our fans have for our Football Hogs. Next, you have to figure out how to win consistently and as much as we would all like to claim we know the answer to that, we don't. It takes the right AD, Coach and Players at the right time to put it all together. Once it comes together it's a lot easier to maintain 8-9 wins per year then having to build for 5 years with the elusive 8th win being the pinnacle.

8 wins every year out of 13 should never be the norm, it should be the exception due to a down year, for whatever reason, and come back the next year with 9+ wins out of 13 games. Those who are comfortable with 8 wins being a good year were comfortable with Bielema and Long. Those who were calling them yankees, carpet baggers and such are just showing their frustration. You really think they'd be calling Saban and company those names? Of course not. They'd be doing the same thing the Bama fans are doing and that is enjoying every minute he is there. I care less where our next regime comes from, I just hope they put together something that wins football games. Baseball and Basketball games are nice to win but compared to Football, not many really care. Football is where it is at and that is what the next AD has to understand. How they do it, I have no clue, that's why I'm not an AD.
"At least we are moral"

hawgon

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on November 20, 2017, 10:50:43 am
What is our perception and what was theirs?

Long was fine if we were equivalent to Indiana or Illinois in the Big 10.  I think that was Bielema's perception as well but he wanted us to be better than that.

Occams Razorback

Quote from: DoctorSusscrofa on November 20, 2017, 09:21:13 am
It means many Southerners biased and bigoted, and that they will hate on people that aren't from around here. BB and Long were hated even before they failed to accomplish what fans wanted.


It means that we won't have 90% of our athletic administration from out of state - including folks at the highest level who only see fans as a means to an end - they don't get that the Razorbacks are all we have and a great source of pride for the entire state - to them it's just another job - I've seen it personally at the highest level of the administration and their administrative assistants - they don't care who you are, how much you've given in the past, that you graduated from the UA, that your grandmother graduated from the UA, that you plan your days and holidays and vacations around the Razorbacks and that you can't sleep for days on end when you lose a game - they don't know about the 1969 Texas game or U.S. Reed's half court shot or beating NC in Pine Bluff - do they even know we played in Pine Bluff? if they have heard about it, they don't really care - just another good game or play by some player or some team

Yankees can be great people obviously but often just don't get it - sounds as if you don't either
If it makes crumbs, it's probably not good for you.

emdavenp

I feel as though I'm in the minority of "Who cares - just WIN!"

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Malvin on November 20, 2017, 10:21:24 am
For me, it means understanding how stubborn people in the South can be.  In a way we are very Redneck which can mean doing something stupid to 'get it done'.  If the house is burning down and somebody needs to go in to save the gold fish, count on somebody from Arkansas being stupid enough to do it.  This culture has allowed Arkansas to win over the years despite not having the best players and having to overcome other disadvantages.  Nutt understood this, it's why his preacher approach worked so well here.

We need a coach that understands this situation and use it to allow Arkansas to excel in football.   


So a coach who played at Iowa, coached at Kansas St and Wisconsin didn't understand a program who has to overcome disadvantages?  Nutt worked well here? 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

Hogwarrior

Quote from: hog911 on November 20, 2017, 10:26:23 am
I'm sure northerners are full opened minded individuals huh? Do you know more black people were lynched in Manahatten, New York than the entire south combined! Northerners didn't even like people who looked like them, namely the Irish! Try reading a history book not approved by the socialist / communist left you would be surprised how many lies you have been taught!

Wow!  Show me one link of one book that supports your lynching statement.  Your link or picture of the book will tell us all we need to know.

hogsanity

Quote from: jneal56 on November 20, 2017, 10:52:20 am

8 wins every year out of 13 should never be the norm, it should be the exception due to a down year, for whatever reason, and come back the next year with 9+ wins out of 13 games.


Yet, in our 26 seasons in the SEC, the NORM has been 7-8 wins a year. The program has only finished ranked in the top 25 FIVE times in 26 seasons.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Hogwarrior on November 20, 2017, 10:53:37 am
Wow!  Show me one link of one book that supports your lynching statement.  Your link or picture of the book will tell us all we need to know.

Probably referring to the 1863 draft riots in NYC.  No need to derail the thread over it. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

mhuff

Quote from: DoctorSusscrofa on November 20, 2017, 09:21:13 am
It means many Southerners biased and bigoted, and that they will hate on people that aren't from around here. BB and Long were hated even before they failed to accomplish what fans wanted.

You could have put a positive twist to the OP, but you chose to put a negative spin on here. Therefore, you're either a troll or a Russian hacker just trying to cause disention. Either that or as Shane would say, a " Low down yankee liar"
LOL.  Now how funny was that?

You can stop your stereotypical crap just anytime  I don't appreciate people who backhandedly run down our state or the south. There's usually one of you every year.

 

greenie

Quote from: hawgon on November 20, 2017, 10:45:02 am
Bielema and Long did not get Arkansas because they did not get our perception of where we belong in the college football landscape.  You can argue, as some do that we are unrealistic, but for purposes of this discussion, it matters not if we are.

I disagree.  I think Bielema and Long "got" Arkansas just fine.  They understood the passion and the expectations.  Like I said earlier, Long was a guy that expected to be fully in charge of the athletic department.  When he didn't pander to the GOBN, it eventually caught up to him.  I know he wasn't a warm and fuzzy guy, and that worked against him, too.  He would still be here if he and loosened the reins a bit in terms of listening to the $$$ people.  Being southern would not have helped him.

Bielema is going to lose his job because of performance...and that's fair.  However, from what I can tell, people that regularly interacted with him really like the guy.  It's the vocal minority that have lost their minds, and spun up fallacies about the guy (like he's lazy, can't recruit, not flexible, etc.) that appear to be just their way of venting.  If they really believe those things, they haven't been paying attention.

My free opinion, and worth every penny.  :-)

hawgon

Quote from: greenie on November 20, 2017, 10:59:22 am
I disagree.  I think Bielema and Long "got" Arkansas just fine.  They understood the passion and the expectations.  Like I said earlier, Long was a guy that expected to be fully in charge of the athletic department.  When he didn't pander to the GOBN, it eventually caught up to him.  I know he wasn't a warm and fuzzy guy, and that worked against him, too.  He would still be here if he and loosened the reins a bit in terms of listening to the $$$ people.  Being southern would not have helped him.

Bielema is going to lose his job because of performance...and that's fair.  However, from what I can tell, people that regularly interacted with him really like the guy.  It's the vocal minority that have lost their minds, and spun up fallacies about the guy (like he's lazy, can't recruit, not flexible, etc.) that appear to be just their way of venting.  If they really believe those things, they haven't been paying attention.

My free opinion, and worth every penny.  :-)

If Long understood Arkansas, he wouldn't have guaranteed Bielema six years.  Anyone could have told him that people at Arkansas would not give a coach six years if he was the kind that needed an AD's guarantee to get there.

hogsanity

As I suspected, the people saying it can not even define it. It appears to be an amalgamation of see the need to cater to the folk in LR, sign every in state kid that wants to play for the Hogs ( regardless of actual SEC talent ability ), not let the GOBN runs things, but at the same time keep the GOBN happy, know that we want to win games ( like every other program, not really unique to Arkansas ), not let anyone from north of the mason dixon line run anything at the UofA, and in general act like the civil war is still being fought.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

jcbville

Quote from: jacobp on November 20, 2017, 09:38:29 am
Good god this may be the most misquoted Bielema statement in history.
Absolutely not even close to what he said

I laugh every time someone brings it up because its 1 of a few perfect representations of how misinformed the message board/social media masses are. Yet they also love being misinformed and do not want their reality spoiled.

jneal56

Quote from: hogsanity on November 20, 2017, 10:55:06 am
Yet, in our 26 seasons in the SEC, the NORM has been 7-8 wins a year. The program has only finished ranked in the top 25 FIVE times in 26 seasons.

Yep and if you're comfortable with that, then that is what we end up with. Keep in mind that half of those years we played 11 regular season games instead of 12 so we have an extra cupcake on the schedule now normally so therefore that 7-8 should be 8-9. Just like inflation, you have to adjust for it. I want a regime who is not comfortable with 7-8 wins every year. I don't want a regime that is celebrating a narrow win over Coastal Carolina, I want a regime who is livid on the sideline when our backups miss an assignment during the 4th quarter of a game when we're beating LSU by 31 but they are still coaching as if we're down by 31. THAT is what we need.
"At least we are moral"

a0ashle

It means that Arkansas has to find a way to consider itself special, so it arbitrarily defines "Knowing Arkansas" as a way to assert that specialness in the face of reality.

jcbville

Quote from: hawgon on November 20, 2017, 11:01:37 am
If Long understood Arkansas, he wouldn't have guaranteed Bielema six years.  Anyone could have told him that people at Arkansas would not give a coach six years if he was the kind that needed an AD's guarantee to get there.

To be fair he nor anyone else expected it to be as bad as it got this year even if it got "bad".

But it was a blunder.

hawgon

Besides, you don't AVERAGE seven or eight wins by winnin seven or eight at the top
end.  In order to average seven or eight you have to have a nine or better season thrown in there every three or four years.

jcbville

Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on November 20, 2017, 10:21:22 am
Exactly. As someone mentioned, what are Saban's southern ties apart from West Virginia? Played college ball in Ohio. LSU in 2000 was his first coaching stint in the south after entering the coaching world in 1973.

Alabama's current AD is from Idaho, grew up in Oregon and went to school in Arizona, where he got his first AD job.

You're exactly right. We've hit such rock bottom people are complaining about anything and everything.

AirWarren

Quote from: Hog Fan...DOH! on November 20, 2017, 09:33:12 am
That's because we haven't been good.  When you have to generate excitement, that's exactly how it feels... generated. 


Stop it.  What does this even mean?  Feel free to identify the motherload of recruits from South and East Arkansas that Bielema missed out on. 



Jaden Hill.
Ladarius Bishop.
Tre Norwood. (fort smith-South of Fayetteville)
Demaria Crockett- originally from Camden.
KJ Hill-LR
Jaqwis Dancy(junction city). Contributes at La tech.
John Tate. Pine bluff. Now contributing at Memphis.
David Beasley. Pine bluff. LA tech
BJ Thompson. England. Baylor


Piggfoot

Hog fan since 1960. So thankful for Sam Pittman.

Torqued pork

It means give us winning teams that can make some noise on the national level occasionally.  Truth is we embrace winners and detest losers. Not much else really matters.

hawgon

He must recruit well in Occupied Arkansas.  If you want to know what that is, google up the history of Miller County.

DeltaBoy

If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

Hogwarrior

Quote from: hogsanity on November 20, 2017, 09:17:21 am
mean. I keep seeing that any new coach or AD has to do those two things. What does that mean exactly.

It means that some on HV are caught in some sort of time vacuum and don't realize or understand we live in a transient country now.  It's 2017 not 1960!  That's why there are Arkansas people who live and work all over this country.  They hold onto this "southern thing" because they have low self esteem and have some strange affinity about the south to feel good about themselves while waving their confederate battle flag and chanting "de souf surl rise ergan." 

It's stupid talk and the people that matter don't care where the next administration is from!  Just WIN BABY!

RME

Quote from: Torqued pork on November 20, 2017, 11:08:52 am
It means give us winning teams that can make some noise on the national level occasionally.  Truth is we embrace winners and detest losers. Not much else really matters.

How is this mindset confined to "Arkansas?"

Is this not the mindset of fans everywhere?

jcbville

Haha well this thread took a not so surprising turn...


tbhogfan

"Understands Arkansas" = Winner
"Gets the South" = Winner



Go Hogs!

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: AP85 on November 20, 2017, 11:07:54 am
Jaden Hill.
Ladarius Bishop.
Tre Norwood. (fort smith-South of Fayetteville)
Demaria Crockett- originally from Camden.
KJ Hill-LR
Jaqwis Dancy(junction city). Contributes at La tech.
John Tate. Pine bluff. Now contributing at Memphis.
David Beasley. Pine bluff. LA tech
BJ Thompson. England. Baylor

;D
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

DeltaBoy

We value Relationships, Honesty, Hard work and effort!
This  Coach and AD failed on both
Relationships are more valued the Making Tons of 💰 Money!
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

a0ashle

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 20, 2017, 11:17:19 am
We value Relationships, Honesty, Hard work and effort!
This  Coach and AD failed on both
Relationships are more valued the Making Tons of 💰 Money!

So unique! We are special!!

Hogwarrior

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 20, 2017, 11:11:21 am
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-north-shares-in-us-institutional-racism-the-duluth-lynchings-of-1920
http://www.tpt.org/northstar/PDF/ns_H3dul_LP.pdf

You do realize these are not history books and neither author is recognized in the academia world don't you?  You do know that both are the equivalent to Brietbart and the National Enquirer don't you?  Out.org and tpt.org.  Wow dude, you are way out there!

Torqued pork

Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on November 20, 2017, 11:11:32 am
How is this mindset confined to "Arkansas?"

Is this not the mindset of fans everywhere?
Sure it is, but when the losses add up and fans don't sense any urgency to turn it around fans tend to dig deeper and deeper for reasons not to like who they feel are reresponsible. Frustration can make us stupid.

greenie

Quote from: AP85 on November 20, 2017, 11:07:54 am
Jaden Hill.
Ladarius Bishop.
Tre Norwood. (fort smith-South of Fayetteville)
Demaria Crockett- originally from Camden.
KJ Hill-LR
Jaqwis Dancy(junction city). Contributes at La tech.
John Tate. Pine bluff. Now contributing at Memphis.
David Beasley. Pine bluff. LA tech
BJ Thompson. England. Baylor

Let's give a little context...

KJ Hill was an excellent recruit that we missed on.  We lost him to Urban Meyer and Ohio State.  Nick Saban also wanted KJ and missed.

Crockett has been somewhat productive at Mizzou, but has been injured more than once and has had legal issues with weed.  On top of that, we chose not to pursue him because we already had our RBs for the year (Whaley and Hammonds). 

Tre Norwood made a little noise for OU recently, but it's a little early to get excited.  We took Curl over Norwood.  That seems like a solid decision.  I would have like to have taken him, too, but decisions have to be made and I understand that.

Ladarius Bishop is still in high school, and hasn't signed with anyone yet.  He may or may not turn out to be good.  Also, with a new coach coming in, he may still be a hog.

Jaden Hill is not playing football for anyone.  He's at LSU playing baseball.

Dancy, Tate, Beasley, and Thompson were all considered to be non-SEC caliber.  We weren't the only SEC school to feel that way.

Hogwarrior

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 20, 2017, 11:11:21 am
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-north-shares-in-us-institutional-racism-the-duluth-lynchings-of-1920
http://www.tpt.org/northstar/PDF/ns_H3dul_LP.pdf

And some of us have been reduced to taking factless opinion based web sites as history!  Dude, I know you didn't post links from something called truth-out and tpt/northstar as historical references!  LMAO!  Maybe we better stay away from coaches who know Arkansas and the south!  This is just sad! But it's great for laughs!  LMAO!

longpig

Bert's fat, dumb, preachy and a closet drunkard. 

Don't get no more southern than that.

Don't be scared, be smart.