UGA pushing SEC expansion?

[Hawghiggs]

http://ugafootballlive.com/news/time-for-the-prestigious-sec-brand-to-fill-in-a-geographic-gap/  Make of it what you will.

[Lake City Hog]

I would start with NC State, then ECU and last would be Wake. But, here we go again adding a "lesser team to the East and a real competitor to the West!!

We should not kid ourselves, OU would come in and be competitive from day 1.

[Hoggard]

That was a very interesting read. ECU to the SEC ? I guess I never thought about it. But it gets the SEC brand right in the middle of the ACC market. It would help ECU grow and expand beyond 60K really fast. Interesting to say the least. Oklahoma and ECU...

Thanks for posting the article.

[flagstaffhog]

I don't want to share texas recruits with oklahoma. ....

[Hoggard]

I would start with NC State, then ECU and last would be Wake. But, here we go again adding a "lesser team to the East and a real competitor to the West!!

We should not kid ourselves, OU would come in and be competitive from day 1.

ECU is not an automatic win by any stretch. But I see your point. One other thing to consider is that just the threat of us bringing ECU into the fold could force some of the ACC schools that stand to miss out to consider joining. Look at what the Aggies leaving has done to Texas and the Big 12 ... Does North Carolina want to endure that or do they want to consider joining the SEC. Its a no lose situation for the SEC.

[theFlyingHog]

ECU? This isn't April 1, is it?

[HogBreath]

Whether we expand or not, let's get Commissioner Sly to move Vandy & Mizzou to the west, and put Auburn & Bamma in the east.  Of course it's just a matter of time before OU is in the SEC, might as well add ECU if NC State doesn't want to come, or maybe Virginia Tech.

[JaketheSnake]

I don't want to share texas recruits with oklahoma. ....

OU still beats us for many Texas recruits we go after...

[Boarmonger]

It would be fun to get OU but I think the West would be less competitive.  The move would provide the opportunity for Bama and Auburn to move East and Mizzou West.  Not saying that neither OU nor Mizzou is competitive, they are.  Just referring to the sum of the parts.

[Inhogswetrust]

ECU? This isn't April 1, is it?

Not the best scenario but not the worst either. That being said the site is nothing more than a bunch of UGA students. NO affiliation with the UGA athletic department in Any official capacity. That does not make UGA pushing for expansion in any way shape or form as the thread title questions.

[Inhogswetrust]

My favorites are get one from Virginia and one from North Carolina and tell zero u they had their chance.

[WorfHog]

No way South Carolina wants an EAST Carolina in the SEC. No way in hell that ever happens.

[Hawghiggs]

 I like the idea of adding Oklahoma and Okie state. I use to didn't want OSU. But now I've come around to it.  With those additions that would split the conference just about even.  Below is a good image of what the conference would look like.  It puts Arkansas right in the middle of the newly formed west division.



http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/10/66f17d0c5e03d368b0b8aaa69e4ff93e.jpg

[NuttinItUp]

ECU should never be admitted to the SEC.

There are 10-20 teams that should be invited ahead of them.

[bphi11ips]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!

Remember when we played Eastern Caldonia in the North Wind Bowl in what's his name's second year?  Three of their alumni actually thought we cared.  They haven't been back since.

[Hoggard]

I'd like to see us add North Carolina or Virginia or both. But I've heard more than once that they are charter members of the ACC, and that they won't be leaving. The ACC is a very very strong conference in football and basketball, baseball too Virginia got us this year. Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech very strong football conference. Louisville is pretty good too and Cutcliffe even has Duke playing well.

Anyone think we have a snowball chance of pulling two ACC schools ?

[NuttinItUp]

I'd like to see us add North Carolina or Virginia or both. But I've heard more than once that they are charter members of the ACC, and that they won't be leaving. The ACC is a very very strong conference in football and basketball, baseball too Virginia got us this year. Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech very strong football conference. Louisville is pretty good too and Cutcliffe even has Duke playing well.

Anyone think we have a snowball chance of pulling two ACC schools ?

Screw Louisville as long as Petrino is coaching there.

[Hoggard]

Screw Louisville as long as Petrino is coaching there.

Fair enough. But they were pretty good under Strong.  :razorback:

[Svrdhd]

If Alabama and Auburn were to move to the Eastern Dvision, the West would immediately become an afterthought.

[Exit Pursued by a Boar]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!

Remember when we played Eastern Caldonia in the North Wind Bowl in what's his name's second year?  Three of their alumni actually thought we cared.  They haven't been back since.

I did care.  That was a nailbiter.

EFBAB

[lefty08]

Honestly I think I'd rather add E Carolina before I'd add NC State

[rickm1976]

I don't want to share texas recruits with oklahoma. ....

I don't either, but we did it for years in the SWC.  Texas and OU (and A&M to an extent) got the cream of the crop, but we got our share of recruits, which were still elite players.  Of course, we didn't face quite as stiff competition from top to bottom back then as we do now.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

If the writer is merely looking to find a footprint in N. Carolina, why not North Carolina A&T or Appalachian State? I'm kidding obviously, but it might make the SEC look somewhat desperate to invite the likes of E. Carolina. I think that would be a bit of a stretch. Is that the best that the SEC can do for the East Division and the conference as a whole?

As for the West side, I know it has been stated repeatedly but I don't think you are going to see Oklahoma being allowed (state politics) to leave Oklahoma State behind holding the bag. Oklahoma's departure wouldn't have to change their annual grudge match with Texas in Dallas each year, but that departure would probably end the annual Bedlam Game with Okla State and within Oklahoma that is a pretty big and important game each year. If Oklahoma brought Oklahoma State with them to the SEC, they could keep both of these games in their scheduling and state politics would likely approve such a move.

[UAfanatic]

That was not worth my time reading.

The whole supposition was that Oklahoma wasn't worth it if you had to take Oke State.

But then, Hyphenated UNC-Charlotte and directional Eastern Carolina were better choices.

Ugh.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

http://ugafootballlive.com/news/time-for-the-prestigious-sec-brand-to-fill-in-a-geographic-gap/  Make of it what you will.

And guess where the author of this article lives? The Charlotte, N.C. area. What a surprise. Somebody wants in the SEC.

[Exit Pursued by a Boar]

I saw nothing in that article that suggested Georgia was pushing anything.

The focus on endowments was bizarre.  Neither UNC-Charlotte or ECU have anything approaching UA's endowment, which is just short of a $1B.  I haven't looked up the endowments of other SEC schools, but I suspect we are middle to back of the back.  I am almost certain we're behind UT, UF, Vandy, and A&M, and probably LSU, Kentucky, SC and Bama. But, if endowment's matter to an expansion choice (and I am not sure they do) $150M- $160M aint gonna do it.

EFBAB

[hogcard1964]

ECU? This isn't April 1, is it?

They bring nothing.  As does NC St.   

[jpsand]

Give arkansas another team..... Arkansas state?  Just kidding!

[EastexHawg]

Just bring in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and be done with it.  This is a sports conference, so who really cares about OSU's academics?  Besides, the SEC isn't exactly the Ivy League as it stands right now.

You're the best athletic conference and you want to at least maintain your position if not better it.  You do that by adding the biggest fish available (Oklahoma, since Texas probably isn't interested).  You not only strengthen your own brand, but you prevent another conference from taking them and strengthening theirs.

[Hog_Swanson]

I like the idea of adding Oklahoma and Okie state. I use to didn't want OSU. But now I've come around to it.  With those additions that would split the conference just about even.  Below is a good image of what the conference would look like.  It puts Arkansas right in the middle of the newly formed west division.



http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/10/66f17d0c5e03d368b0b8aaa69e4ff93e.jpg

That line is getting closer and closer to putting us back in the Big 12.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Just bring in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and be done with it.  This is a sports conference, so who really cares about OSU's academics?  Besides, the SEC isn't exactly the Ivy League as it stands right now.

You're the best athletic conference and you want to at least maintain your position if not better it.  You do that by adding the biggest fish available (Oklahoma, since Texas probably isn't interested).  You not only strengthen your own brand, but you prevent another conference from taking them and strengthening theirs.

FWIW, Oklahoma State's academic ranking is better than that of Miss State, who currently sits at the bottom of the SEC in that regard.

[EastexHawg]

Oklahoma State is at least solid in football, occasionally much better than solid.  They have a history of success in both basketball and baseball if that matters to anyone.  They have upgraded their facilities.  Just do it.

[Mulberry Squeezins]

I'm sorry but one school from Oklahoma is enough, if it happens and we can't get OU, then forget about it.  Okie light is a joke.

[buffaload]

ECU is not an automatic win by any stretch. But I see your point. One other thing to consider is that just the threat of us bringing ECU into the fold could force some of the ACC schools that stand to miss out to consider joining. Look at what the Aggies leaving has done to Texas and the Big 12 ... Does North Carolina want to endure that or do they want to consider joining the SEC. Its a no lose situation for the SEC.

Pretty sure we're already doing that.  Plus, I've always heard that Oklahoma and Ok. State are a package deal.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I'm sorry but one school from Oklahoma is enough, if it happens and we can't get OU, then forget about it.  Okie light is a joke.

I'm not a big fan of Oklahoma State at all but that is ridiculous when we are having a conversation about E. Carolina joining the SEC in this same thread.

[EastexHawg]

I'm sorry but one school from Oklahoma is enough, if it happens and we can't get OU, then forget about it.  Okie light is a joke.

No, East Carolina is a joke. 

I said nothing about taking OSU and not Oklahoma.  I said the SEC should just bring in both of them, if they are willing, and be done with it. 

The talk about population centers and TV markets is overly simplistic.  Does it matter?  Yes, to an extent.  Does prestige and interest in the program at least regionally if not nationally also matter?  Of course it does.  I live in Texas, not far from the DFW megamarket.  Houston isn't that far away.  Does that mean I tune in to see SMU, Rice, and Houston when their games are televised?  No, I couldn't care less about them.  The locations of their campuses are utterly irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

I won't even tune in to see them play Alabama or LSU because I have no interest in watching blowouts.

Now...what if Oklahoma is playing Alabama or LSU?  Or even if Oklahoma State is playing one of them in an early season game?  I'm tuning in, especially if it's OU.  They have gravitas when it comes to college football and people couldn't care less that their campus isn't in a major media market.

[GuvHog]

That was not worth my time reading.

The whole supposition was that Oklahoma wasn't worth it if you had to take Oke State.

But then, Hyphenated UNC-Charlotte and directional Eastern Carolina were better choices.

Ugh.

I agree. The writer's idea of adding ECU and Oklahoma would not work anyway because Mizzou agreed to temporarily join the SEC East with assurances that they would soon move to the SEC West.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Funny, reads a lot like this, posted days ago (and uses the same graphic). Although the author of this thread used more numbers/stats and better teams.  The AC that wrote the UGA piece lost all credibility by suggesting ECU.  A&M already showed how lucrative it can be to step out of big brother's shadow so there is no reason to think SEC would not have a legit shot at say NC State.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=594510.msg9802227#msg9802227

[GuvHog]

If Alabama and Auburn were to move to the Eastern Dvision, the West would immediately become an afterthought.

I respectfully disagree. What it would do IMHO is give more parity to the conference. Even without Auburn and Alabama, the west would still have Mizzou, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, and Arkansas. That's 5 powerful athletic programs and the Mississippi schools haven't exactly been slouches lately nor has Okla State.

[GuvHog]

Funny, reads a lot like this, posted days ago (and uses the same graphic). Although the author of this thread used more numbers/stats and better teams.  The AC that wrote the UGA piece lost all credibility by suggesting ECU.  A&M already showed how lucrative it can be to step out of big brother's shadow so there is no reason to think SEC would not have a legit shot at say NC State.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=594510.msg9802227#msg9802227

Getting NC State would be far too expensive for both the SEC and NC State. I don't see the SEC going after an ACC team.

[Inhogswetrust]

ECU should never be admitted to the SEC.

There are 10-20 teams that should be invited ahead of them.

Sure there are some that should be considered before them. However you start at the top of the list and work your way down. IF you can't convince someone higher on the list then you consider taking them. They have as much potential if they move up as quite a few others down the list. It is about getting into the middle Atlantic states markets with their large population.

[Inhogswetrust]

I'd like to see us add North Carolina or Virginia or both. But I've heard more than once that they are charter members of the ACC, and that they won't be leaving. The ACC is a very very strong conference in football and basketball, baseball too Virginia got us this year. Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech very strong football conference. Louisville is pretty good too and Cutcliffe even has Duke playing well.

Anyone think we have a snowball chance of pulling two ACC schools ?

Perhaps we could get two ACC schools but some things would have to change first.

[Inhogswetrust]

If Alabama and Auburn were to move to the Eastern Dvision, the West would immediately become an afterthought.

That would depend on which teams replaced them in the west.

[Inhogswetrust]

If the writer is merely looking to find a footprint in N. Carolina, why not North Carolina A&T or Appalachian State? I'm kidding obviously, but it might make the SEC look somewhat desperate to invite the likes of E. Carolina. I think that would be a bit of a stretch. Is that the best that the SEC can do for the East Division and the conference as a whole?

As for the West side, I know it has been stated repeatedly but I don't think you are going to see Oklahoma being allowed (state politics) to leave Oklahoma State behind holding the bag. Oklahoma's departure wouldn't have to change their annual grudge match with Texas in Dallas each year, but that departure would probably end the annual Bedlam Game with Okla State and within Oklahoma that is a pretty big and important game each year. If Oklahoma brought Oklahoma State with them to the SEC, they could keep both of these games in their scheduling and state politics would likely approve such a move.

SEC politics maybe > Oklahoma politics. If true and I'd bet it is since there are a lot more people and states involved, then OU could be left outside looking in if the SEC tries to expand again. That being said I'd bet OU would make the move IF they they could.

[Inhogswetrust]

They bring nothing.  As does NC St.   

Never spent much time in NC have you.

[Inhogswetrust]

That was not worth my time reading.

The whole supposition was that Oklahoma wasn't worth it if you had to take Oke State.

But then, Hyphenated UNC-Charlotte and directional Eastern Carolina were better choices.

Ugh.

That was a bit out there in left field wasn't it.........................

[Inhogswetrust]

I did care.  That was a nailbiter.

EFBAB

No kidding! Thank goodness for us their kicker had his worse game ever! I do feel sorry for him though.

[Inhogswetrust]

That line is getting closer and closer to putting us back in the Big 12.

Back in? We never were in the big12.............................

[WoooPigAR]

In a perfect world, the SEC should expand to 20.

Additions: Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas, North Carolina, Virginia Tech

West
Arkansas
LSU
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.

East
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
South Carolina

Football: Play 9 conference games, no divisional cross-overs. Two division winners play in SEC Championship Game (true champion). This model avoids cross-over complainers; ie, LSU played Florida while Texas A&M played Vanderbilt. To create additional games, SEC could slate 2E vs. 2W, 3E vs. 3W, etc. These games would be played campuses. Odd years at East teams, Even years at West teams.

Basketball: Play 18 conference games, home and homes with divisional teams. SEC Tournament is 16 teams. 1E vs. 8W, 1W vs. 8E, etc.

Baseball: Similar to basketball, except for 3 game series.

If North Carolina and Virginia Tech don't want to play. Then I'd have Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State and Clemson on deck.

[Inhogswetrust]

Oklahoma State is at least solid in football, occasionally much better than solid.  They have a history of success in both basketball and baseball if that matters to anyone.  They have upgraded their facilities.  Just do it.

Don't forget golf and wrassling...........of course they spell wrasslin different so they might not qualify for the SEC.........