Connecting dots (Chaney/Enos)

[HognVA]

Based on Coach B's stance on player safety don't you have to think he wanted to pull him?  Then again, the coach has the final say so it could be said it was the other way around and he stayed in despite protest from his OC. 

I have a suspicion that Chaney wanted him out and BB overruled him. The only other option is that Chaney just talked him out of it and then BB was pi$$ed he let him.

[duckman]

this is what i think cbb means about balance
40 rushes at 5 yards a carry 200 yards
20 completions at 10 yards for 200 yards

there is your balance

FIFY

[Josh Goforth]

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

If by balanced you mean 60/40 run to pass.


Enos is closer to what Bielema was at Wisconsin.

[younghog]

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

I feel ya.. I really do.. Could be Chaney just didn't call the PLAYS CBB wanted.

[Mike Irwin]

So is he going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that Bielema is not the run/pass balance guy that he says he is?


I have no desire to "start crap" and I have no reading comprehension problem. This was your exact quote. Now you may have posed it in question form but you are clearly saying will Enos be shocked when he sees CBB isn't who he says he is. It could have been poor wording on your part. You did not specify that it might be that their ideas of balance might be different. I like your insights and enjoy your takes mostly but there is only one way to read this one.

I DID NOT say Enos would be shocked. I asked if it might happen? It did happen with Chaney.

Clearly none of us know the details of the pre job interview between Chaney and Bielema or Enos and Bielema. We do know that Chaney worked for two years under an arrangement he turned out to be uncomfortable with. It's pretty clear that in retrospect it wasn't what he thought it would be. Nobody has to have been lying. That word was never used. It is reasonable to ask if Enos might end up with the same issues that Chaney did. It doesn't mean it will happen. It doesn't mean I'm suggesting it will happen.

It's a question. A possibility.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?

[Josh Goforth]

The notion that Enos and Chaney's philosophies aren't any different is LAUGHABLE.

Jim Chaney came from freaking Joe Tiller's spread offense.  His last year at Tennessee they ran the ball 46% of the time.

Meanwhile, Dan Enos ran the ball 57% of the time in 2014.

It's absolutely asinine, and pretty dishonest, to suggest that they come from anywhere near the same philosophy.

Enos was also in a spread offense at Mich st and runs a lot of spread concepts very similiar to Chaney. In his first 2 years at Central Mich he threw it more than they ran. 58 and 56 %

[nchogg]

As long as our OC takes what a defense gives us and we make plays we will be all right.

[Sportster365]

I have a suspicion that Chaney wanted him out and BB overruled him. The only other option is that Chaney just talked him out of it and then BB was pi$$ed he let him.

If indeed a discussion like this had ever taken place during the Missouri game, then I think it's a safe bet to say the HC get's the last say over who gets in and out a game. BA's poor 2nd half performance was a reflection on CJC offense, as with any QB/OC duo. I can see an OC getting bitter behind a decision like that.

And if this is true, why wouldn't CBB pull an obviously hurt QB? I don't know why, but I've always had the idea that CBB has never genuinely wanted Austin to come in and out-play his bigger brother and fans start to question why has coach B been leaving him on the sidelines for so long, this has the potential to sort of make him look a bit foolish. The thought itself is a bit far fetched, but is Austin really that bad? He seemed to have played fairly well finishing up the game against LSU. Why couldn't we have gave him a chance against Mizzou?

[Wildhog]

Enos was also in a spread offense at Mich st and runs a lot of spread concepts very similiar to Chaney. In his first 2 years at Central Mich he threw it more than they ran. 58 and 56 %

Yeah, they were in a transition from a spread to a pro-style.  I've read plenty about it.  A lot of people weren't happy to be moving away from the spread.

[Atlhogfan1]

I think Chaney was surprised like Bielema with the personnel he inherited and it worsened when Mitchell transferred.  Like I said earlier though, there is a reason he keeps getting tough jobs.

Enos gets 4 four star qbs including a RS Sr and RS So with playing experience, 2 extremely experienced and talented backs, same for TE and olinemen.  No need to force true freshmen or walk ons to play now. 

[younghog]

Same here.  If you say someone is not what they claim to be, you are basically calling them a fraud.  Maybe that was just a bad choice of words on Mike's part, and I can understand that.  But to me, I took it the same way you did.  "Wait til this guy gets in here and sees that CBB isn't what he claims to be" sounds an awful lot like saying he's faking it.

thats how I read it..

[Deep Shoat]

If indeed a discussion like this had ever taken place during the Missouri game, then I think it's a safe bet to say the HC get's the last say over who gets in and out a game. BA's poor 2nd half performance was a reflection on CJC offense, as with any QB/OC duo. I can see an OC getting bitter behind a decision like that.

And if this is true, why wouldn't CBB pull an obviously hurt QB? I don't know why, but I've always had the idea that CBB has never genuinely wanted Austin to come in and out-play his bigger brother and fans start to question why has coach B been leaving him on the sidelines for so long, this has the potential to sort of make him look a bit foolish. The thought itself is a bit far fetched, but is Austin really that bad? He seemed to have played fairly well finishing up the game against LSU. Why couldn't we have gave him a chance against Mizzou?

Oh son of a bitch.  This darn again?  Really?  Coaches start the guy who gives them the best chance to win. Period. CBB has already said he regrets the decision to leave BA in the Mizzou game.

Get over it.

[Youngsta71701]

You have no idea what he was wanting to run and what it would have required of the olinemen or other players to execute.  He didn't feel they were capable of executing screens.

Anyway you word this it is still bull. We could at least tried. Maybe Chaney just wasn't a screen type of guy but is too proud to admit it

[younghog]

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I DID NOT say Enos would be shocked. I asked if it might happen? It did happen with Chaney.

Clearly none of us know the details of the pre job interview between Chaney and Bielema or Enos and Bielema. We do know that Chaney worked for two years under an arrangement he turned out to be uncomfortable with. It's pretty clear that in retrospect it wasn't what he thought it would be. Nobody has to have been lying. That word was never used. It is reasonable to ask if Enos might end up with the same issues that Chaney did. It doesn't mean it will happen. It doesn't mean I'm suggesting it will happen.

It's a question. A possibility.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?

Could be that CBB was uncomfortable with Chaney

[Atlhogfan1]

Anyway you word this it is still bull. We could at least tried. Maybe Chaney just wasn't a screen type of guy but is too proud to admit it

No, he didn't believe he had the personnel to execute certain plays well.  I only mentioned screens as an example of other plays he wasn't comfortable calling with the players he had. 

[tphog]

Yes Mike I completely understand. It's obvious you can't read your own quote and read it the way a lot of us are reading it.  You pose the question Will Enos be shocked. Which I understand that to be the question. But in your question you say, "when he finds out CBB isn't the run/pass balance guy he says he is."

It reads to me, like this, Bret isn't the run/pass balance guy he says he is. Do you think it will shock Enos or not.       

Can You Understand That?

[HF#1]

Yes Mike I completely understand. It's obvious you can't read your own quote and read it the way a lot of us are reading it.  You pose the question Will Enos be shocked. Which I understand that to be the question. But in your question you say, "when he finds out CBB isn't the run/pass balance guy he says he is."

It reads to me, like this, Bret isn't the run/pass balance guy he says he is. Do you think it will shock Enos or not.       

Can You Understand That?

Some of you aholes are just rude and obnoxious.